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I don't get this. DE is probobly the deepest position on the defensive side of the ball this year with 8 or 9 good prospects.
Right....he even has another DE ahead of him in the draft, yet is saying that Adams is "the best outside pass rusher available in the draft".
Second round at the latest....
I can't remember is he one of the guys that helped start the Texas vs The Nation game? Bloom said a couple of names were behind the game and this sounds like one of them.
Agreed. I do the same thing. The problem comes from comparing these kids in a vacuum of their class alone. I get pretty excited about a few of them when I do that. Then I look at the bigger picture and realize this class just isn't very good.
He likes Anderson as an all around DE better than Adams who is the better pass rusher. As for calling the class weak at DE, I did the same thing in another conversation recently. It is a great example of how weak this class is. The depth is at DE, but this is a pretty mediocre class of DEs. It's more an indictment of the rest of the class than not knowing the DEs. Murphy knows the DEs fine. I would take last year's crop of DEs over this years by a fairly wide margin.
I keep hearing you and others call this draft class "weak" compared to other draft classes. But there are many talented players available here. I don't see this draft class as being weak at all. I wonder if you could clairify this position a bit better for me and everyone else?The RBs that came out last year had a lot of success. There is more depth of talent at the position in the NFL than I can ever remember. Yet this draft class offers some RBs that I feel like are being overlooked.The WRs look great.There are 2 very good QB prospects. The QBs after them may or may not be very good but that position seems to have decent quality as well.There are a couple TEs that look decent.Some Oline prospects. This is an area I haven't looked at as much.The DEs and DTs look pretty solid and there is a lot of depth as well as DEs who can play in 3-4 defenses and some tweeners who could play as 3-4 OLBs or speed rushing DEs in a 4-3 or they could be used in hybrid 3-4/4-3 defenses. You say they are not as good as last years group. A lot of last years DEs had instant success. Much like the RBs it was rather unushual. But even if this class is not as strong as last year I would not call it weak. It looks better than an average year to me.There are several LBer prospects so this doesen't seem like a weakness either.Some solid talent at the DB positions as well.So why is this draft class "weak" again?Chaos Commish said:
Surprising, considering how bad last year's class was supposed to be. http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...=238885&hl=Chaos Commish said:
Yep. He's also on the selection committee of the Shrine Game. Last January he all but compared Marques Colston to TO when we talked at the Shrine Game practices. Seems like his favorite guy from the Shrine Game this year was Michael Coe, DB, Alabama St.I can't remember is he one of the guys that helped start the Texas vs The Nation game? Bloom said a couple of names were behind the game and this sounds like one of them.
Note to OZ: By the time 2010 rolls around Lynch will be untouchable and Peterson will be a broken down shell.note to self: draft AD this year, trade him for Lynch in 2010.
FWIW, that post wasn't knocking the NFL talent in the 2006 class. I was pretty impressed with the NFL prospects of Kiwanuka, Anderson, and Edwards but didn't see much early 2006 boxscore (IDP) value.I'm not ready to comment on this season's crop yet, but last year's class was at least six deep in terms of starting 4-3 pass rushing talent IMO and I liked Eric Henderson's prospects too until he went undrafted.
Doubtful. The more I evaluate these two, the more I think Peterson is clearly the superior talent.Note to OZ: By the time 2010 rolls around Lynch will be untouchable and Peterson will be a broken down shell.note to self: draft AD this year, trade him for Lynch in 2010.
WR looks great. The top is this class's salvation. The middle is very interesting. The depth is adequate, similar to last year at the bottom.QB looks good to me. RB looks awful. There's two and junk I keep trying to get excited about, but it's junk.TE is just awful. Maybe Olson and Miller. Maybe Newton and a couple sleepers. I would take last year's 7th or 8th rated TE over this years best. Seriously.OL just stinks. There's one great player and a bunch of projects of which just a few look decent.DTs are an average bunch, but hyped beyond reality. I could pick them apart one at a time, but what's the point.DEs are very hyped I believe because of the general weakness of the class. They are, like the wrs, a bit of a salvation, butI wouldn't caompare them to last year, nor would I have last year regardless of posts elsewhere. Hali would headline this class and I thought six or seven bested him last year. I underestimated him, but 06 rocked. If Jamaal Anderson is what others believe he is, and if Charles Johnson is what I believe he is, then this class of DEs will be solid.OLBs are pretty dismal as a class. There some projects here and there, some interesting DE converts, and a couple great athletes, but pure football players are few and the drop off is deep.ILBs are... well, there is a good one. CBs are... there's a few. But a bunch of these guys have great expectations I doubt they live up to. Hall and McCauley have pretty much been exposed, and that was my biggest gripe. The group has some real players though, so this is hopefully a surprising strength.S - In reality probably a better strength than the hyped DEs. But the dropoff is again fairly drastic.Sure I was spoiled last year, but 05 was pretty weak. This class and 05 are good competitors. I thougth 06 was better than 04 and I still do, but 04 kills 07. It's a weak class. When I agreed with EBF saying the pundits always get carried away, I should have qualified that. They didn't hype last years class enough. It had harsh critics by April. But in general he is correct. Every class gets a good deal of hype, some deserve it, some don't. 05 and 07 don't. 04 and 06 did.
I think this post puts into perspective the percentage of top prospects who became worthwhile overtime.BTW, that 2002 QB class is downright scary. The fact that Davis Carr is easily the best QB to emerge places that class into perspective. In general, I believe that there is always talent in every class, but it is not from the obvious places and/or has to be coached up with the proper opportunity. Last year, was consider weak for WRs, but you had one of the best rookie years in recent years Colston with a couple other decent performance for rookies. The Rbs this year a similiar story, there are a couple of guys not named Lynch/Peterson who will have nice careers and matter fantasywise, the challenge is swimming through the muck trying fish out the gold.
The oversimplified answer is that everyone looks for highly productive, superior athletes from big name colleges. The more of these guys who fall into this category the more well regarded a class generally is.Edit: I would argue that MJD, Norwood are better than any of the 2nd level this year. Hunt, Irons, Pittman rank around Calhoun (high 3rd rounder) as productive players with some athletic limitations from good schools.
The value this year is in the WR ranks. It's the strongest group from 1-5 since the Fitzgerald class. A number of the lesser prospects like Higgins, Myles, Smith, and Hill have realistic chances of eventually becoming meaningful FF players. I also think the QB ranks are decent. However, I agree completely that the TEs are putrid and the RBs are weak after the top two.
It's tough to rank the WR's and RB's after the top 3, but I see 5 potential studs in Ginn, Jarrett, Rice, Bowe, and Meachem (maybe throw Gonzalez into the mix) and 5 RB's who could do well in the right situation (Pittman, Bush, Irons, Hunt, and Jackson). TE's are nothing special IMO and I only like Russell at QB, Brady does little for me as a fantasy QB.
As of now I think most people are placing Ginn and Jarrett ahead of rest, but not by a ton. Looks like you will have about 10-12 drafts spots where team will either take a mediocore RB prospect or a solid WR. currently I think that you are not significantly better of having the 5th overall pick over the 15th overall. Even more than normal you will see pick dependent on owner's needs, player situation and league scoring system. I think there will be great variation in rookie drafts this year with some guys like Irons potentially going as the 5th overall in one league and not in the 1st round in another 12 team league.
