NFL draft top talent -- FBG readers' Big Board (1 Viewer)

[daveR]

Draft Tek suggests the following "Big Board".  Based on talent, who belongs in the top ten in your opinion?

1 Myles Garrett     Tex A&M     EDGE     6'4"     272
2 Malik Hooker     Ohio St     S     6'2"     205             
3 Solomon Thomas     Stanford     EDGE     6'2"     273             
4 Jamal Adams     LSU     S     6'0"     214             
5 Leonard Fournette     LSU     RBF     6'0"     240             
6 Marshon Lattimore     Ohio St     CB     6'0"     193             
7 Derek Barnett     Tennessee     EDGE     6'3"     259             
8 Jabrill Peppers     Michigan     S     5'11"     213             
9 Mike Williams     Clemson     WRF     6'4"     218             
10 Dalvin Cook     Florida St     RBF     5'10"     210             
11 O.J. Howard     Alabama     TE     6'6"     251             
12 Jonathan Allen     Alabama     DL5T     6'2"     286     
13 Corey Davis     W Mich     WRF     6'3"     209             
14 Mitch Trubisky     N Carolina     QB     6'2"     222             
15 Ryan Ramczyk     Wisconsin     OT     6'6"     310             
16 Marlon Humphrey     Alabama     CB     6'0"     197             
17 Reuben Foster     Alabama     ILB     6'0"     229             
18 John Ross     Wash     WRS     5'11"     190             
19 Deshaun Watson     Clemson     QB     6'2"     221             
20 Haason Reddick     Temple     OLB     6'1"     237

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Looks pretty good overall. I'm not nearly as high as that list on Adams, Peppers, Trubisky, Ross, Watson.

 

[petekrum]

Draft Tek suggests the following "Big Board".  Based on talent, who belongs in the top ten in your opinion?

1 Myles Garrett     Tex A&M     EDGE     6'4"     272
2 Malik Hooker     Ohio St     S     6'2"     205             
3 Solomon Thomas     Stanford     EDGE     6'2"     273             
4 Jamal Adams     LSU     S     6'0"     214             
5 Leonard Fournette     LSU     RBF     6'0"     240             
6 Marshon Lattimore     Ohio St     CB     6'0"     193             
7 Derek Barnett     Tennessee     EDGE     6'3"     259             
8 Jabrill Peppers     Michigan     S     5'11"     213             
9 Mike Williams     Clemson     WRF     6'4"     218             
10 Dalvin Cook     Florida St     RBF     5'10"     210             
11 O.J. Howard     Alabama     TE     6'6"     251             
12 Jonathan Allen     Alabama     DL5T     6'2"     286     
13 Corey Davis     W Mich     WRF     6'3"     209             
14 Mitch Trubisky     N Carolina     QB     6'2"     222             
15 Ryan Ramczyk     Wisconsin     OT     6'6"     310             
16 Marlon Humphrey     Alabama     CB     6'0"     197             
17 Reuben Foster     Alabama     ILB     6'0"     229             
18 John Ross     Wash     WRS     5'11"     190             
19 Deshaun Watson     Clemson     QB     6'2"     221             
20 Haason Reddick     Temple     OLB     6'1"     237

I think this is a GREAT top 20.

 

[thatguy]

Jonathan Allen too low IMO. I'm on board with the general placement of the rest of the players. I do think Ramzcyk might be a bit high. 

 

[spider321]

The QB's are not good, but they will be drafted high as always.

 

[Rhythmdoctor]

That list is way too chalk, imo.  Mike Williams over Corey Davis?  Um, no.  Fournette and Cook both in the top 10.  Um, no.  Looks like a list from September 2016.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

That list is way too chalk, imo.  Mike Williams over Corey Davis?  Um, no.  Fournette and Cook both in the top 10.  Um, no.  Looks like a list from September 2016.

But it's not a mock, it's just a straight talent ranking. Not too off looking at it that way, although I've already nitpicked above. 

 

[Rhythmdoctor]

But it's not a mock, it's just a straight talent ranking. Not too off looking at it that way, although I've already nitpicked above. 

Fair enough. I guess I don't agree with the offensive rankings from either perspective.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Mike Williams over Corey Davis?  Um, no.  

Why?

 

[Rhythmdoctor]

Why?

I see a TO/Demaryius Thomas hybrid when I watch Corey Davis.  I don't think Williams has nearly the same upside.  I think Corey Davis is a top 10 pick.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

I see a TO/Demaryius Thomas hybrid when I watch Corey Davis.  I don't think Williams has nearly the same upside.  I think Corey Davis is a top 10 pick.

You said "Um no" as if there's no debate here.  What's your history with WR comps?

 

[Rhythmdoctor]

You said "Um no" as if there's no debate here.  What's your history with WR comps?

Well to me there is no debate.  I think Corey Davis looks MUCH better than Mike Williams.  To me, it's not really close.  I don't typically use comps unless something pops.  I don't aim to find comps.  If one is there, I'll make note of it.  

 

[Zyphros]

Talent wise, it's ridiculous to not include Mixon in a top10 above ANY other RB.  

 

[steelers1080]

Imo, Howard and Davis should be above Williams. But that comes down to style preference.

 

[daveR]

I know it's "apples & oranges", but based on overall talent (how well they play their position, physically, mentally, etc.) does Peppers belong ahead of Cook who is ahead of Howard & Allen?  17 for Foster?  If anybody moves into the top ten,someone else has to fall out.  Who is the most likely candidate to fall out?

 

[daveR]

Relative to current NFL starters, how likely is it that each one of these guys will become "The Best", or "One of the Best" (pro bowler), or a "Quality Starter", or "Average NFL Player"?  Can we put a numerical rating on them?  (Ex.  1-4, where 1 is average NFL starter and 4 is possible HOF). 

It's my understanding that Myles Garrett stands alone as a 4, provided he reaches his full potential.  True?  What about Fournette or Howard?  3.5?

 

[Borden]

I don't know a ton about the defensive guys but I'd wouldn't have Peppers in my top 20. He's slow to diagnose plays and he gets completely blocked on way too many plays. I agree with the with the people saying he should play RB. 

Move Foster WAY up. Maybe even #3? That seems high. 

 

[Mavis]

Watson destroyed an NFL caliber defense in Alabama and some say he isnt that great. I would lean towards the contrary of that since Watson plays well when the level of play is better. His talent is there and his tape is good, with the quality of QBs in the NFL Watson that low is crazy. Glennon and Hoyer are starters in the NFL right now, I rather take my chance with Watson. 

 

[Andy Dufresne]

1. Myles Garrett

2. Jamal Adams

3. Marshon Lattimore 

4. Reuben Foster

5. Malik Hooker

6. Corey Davis 

7. OJ Howard 

8. Jonathan Allen

9. Leonard Fournette

10. Solomon Thomas

 

[spider321]

1. Myles Garrett

2. Jamal Adams

3. Marshon Lattimore 

4. Reuben Foster

5. Malik Hooker

6. Corey Davis 

7. OJ Howard 

8. Jonathan Allen

9. Leonard Fournette

10. Solomon Thomas

Put Thomas at #2 and move everyone after that down a spot, and I agree.

 

[Hawkeye21]

I don't know a ton about the defensive guys but I'd wouldn't have Peppers in my top 20. He's slow to diagnose plays and he gets completely blocked on way too many plays. I agree with the with the people saying he should play RB. 

Move Foster WAY up. Maybe even #3? That seems high. 

Thank God there are others that feel this way.  I just can't understand the love fest for this guy on defense.  I get that he's a special talent but a guy that doesn't have a specific position should not be getting drafted in the first round.  To me he's a better version of Devin Hester.  He is great in the return game, can be a weapon on offense but in college played defense.  Peppers is a better defender than Hester but I feel their are some similarities.

 

[daveR]

1. Myles Garrett

2. Jamal Adams

3. Marshon Lattimore 

4. Reuben Foster

5. Malik Hooker

6. Corey Davis 

7. OJ Howard 

8. Jonathan Allen

9. Leonard Fournette

10. Solomon Thomas

As I kinda alluded to above, people generally regard Garrett as head-and-shoulders above the rest.  Aside from him, how much difference is there between the rest of the top ten?  Is there a discernible second tier?  A third?  From what I can gather from reading mocks, there might be a bit of a fall-off after pick 13-14, or so.  Beyond that, maybe around pick #40-45.  Anybody else think so? 

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I think the differentiator is that "Tier 1" guys do things exceptionally well and typically in more than one area.

Tier 2 guys do one thing really well (Tak McKinley's pass rush, John Ross' speed) or several things well (Peppers, Reddick).

Tier 3 guys are just solid in a few aspects.

Tier 4 are off the bench players.

Something like that.

 

[daveR]

Put Thomas at #2 and move everyone after that down a spot, and I agree.

Allen is better than Fournette?  I heard somewhere that Fournette is the best RB of this generation.

 

[BoltBacker]

Well to me there is no debate.  I think Corey Davis looks MUCH better than Mike Williams.  To me, it's not really close.  I don't typically use comps unless something pops.  I don't aim to find comps.  If one is there, I'll make note of it.  

I think you had a stronger argument at the end of the college season than you do now(and tape should be king so I understand if that's a large part of your argument). Since then Williams has run in the 4.4's and Corey Davis has missed both the combine and his pro-day. That helps Williams in that the Treadwell comparisons seem less valid and hurts Davis in that people have the Doctson(and Perriman, and White, and Parker, and...) situations fresh in their mind. They both seem like very good prospects to me and I don't think there is a ton separating the two, but I readily admit that I weigh how a prospect does in BIG games against top flight competition as a reflection how they will play at the next level more than most.

 

[BoltBacker]

Thank God there are others that feel this way.  I just can't understand the love fest for this guy on defense.  I get that he's a special talent but a guy that doesn't have a specific position should not be getting drafted in the first round.  To me he's a better version of Devin Hester.  He is great in the return game, can be a weapon on offense but in college played defense.  Peppers is a better defender than Hester but I feel their are some similarities.

I am 100% with you guys. Seems crazy high to me. How any team could pass on an Allen and take a Peppers seems like a lot of risk and teams drafting in the top 10 can't really afford to completely whiff on a pick that high. 

 

[spider321]

Allen is better than Fournette?  I heard somewhere that Fournette is the best RB of this generation.

Every, single year there are posters that say that about one of the RB's.

Heck, I still believe Todd Gurley is the best RB talent since ADP.  ...but it's too bad he is surrounded by a mediocre college team.

 

[daveR]

Any of the "experts" make any significant changes?  I notice Howard has visits with Chi & Jax scheduled!!!

 

[daveR]

TJ Watt has been rising.  Is it all name recognition?  What's his Big Board rank?

 

[Borden]

TJ Watt has been rising.  Is it all name recognition?  What's his Big Board rank?

A pretty good combine and size, a good year of production and a strong NFL bloodline.   

Combine:

Spoiler

 6'4" 252 lbs. His combine Vs the other combine LBs vs DL vs RBs. 

• 40 YARD DASH: 4.69 SEC, 12th, T-11th, 25th
  
• BENCH PRESS: 21 REPS, T-8th, T-35th, T-5th
  
• VERTICAL JUMP: 37.0 INCH, T-2nd, 3rd, T-4th
  
• BROAD JUMP: 128.0 INCH, T-1st, T-2nd, 3rd
  
• 3 CONE DRILL: 6.79 SEC, 2nd, 1st, 2nd
  
• 20 YARD SHUTTLE: 4.13 SEC, T-1st, 1st, 1st
  
• *60 YARD SHUTTLE: 11.20 SEC, T-1st, 1st, 2nd
  

*Throw out the 60 yard shuttle. Barely anyone runs the 60. I only put it in for the sake of transparency.

Last season: 15.5 tackles for loss, 11.5 sacks, 1 Int (that get returned for a TD).