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NFL fans, does the Seahawks Offense scare you? (1 Viewer)
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Lott's Fingertip
Footballguy
I'm not sure the Seahawk offense would score on the Seahawk defense. 
That said, a healthy Hawk offense is above average, but not scary.
That said, a healthy Hawk offense is above average, but not scary.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
You seem like a very uptight person...... 
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SproutDaddy
Footballguy
Wow. Maybe it's time to take some of your winnings and buy a hooker. You got issues brohan.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Yes, because they have a top RB and the best young QB in the game, and with that defense, they don't have to score a lot to win most of the time. Sounds scary to me.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I'll need to run this question by my mentor first and see what he thinks. I'll get back to you shortly.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
with harvin, yes
Their offense doesn't scare me at all, ignoring their defense for a minute. Add in a healthy Harvin and that changes everything IMHO. I have owned Harvin a bunch of times before, but without watching him in a while, I forgot how explosive he can be. Just having him on the field opens things up. Wilson doesn't have to be Peyton Manning when he can hand off to Lynch, hand off to Harvin, dump it off to Harvin or run with it. That doesn't even take into account the WRs who are going to be freed up more. The plays I listed are pretty simple to execute plays that will gain yardage. I'm sort of excited to see Harvin starting out next season healthy. It could be a lot of fun and after the SB, I think the Seahawks realize what they have in Harvin. They thought they knew, but when you see it on the field, it makes a bigger impact.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
In all seriousness, the Seahawks offense is "good enough" and has room for improvement. Lynch is a perfect power back for a ball control offense and Russell Wilson has poise beyond his years. He also throws one of the better deep balls in the NFL already. The team does lack playmakers at WR and TE, when Harvin is injured, and sure that makes them easier to defend. However, they are at worst a "middle of the road" offense even without Harvin.
This whole thing is silly on both sides. By starting a whole new thread as a spinoff from "collaberation/mentor" one, pizzatime is just asking for any abuse that he'll take. At the same time, if I was a Seahawks fan, I'd just let it go. Who cares what some idiot on a message board thinks - even if he's "ballsy" enough to play in high stakes Vegas magic football leagues - just enjoy your victory. Your team obviously had enough offense. If some one wants to dig his heels in and say they didn't, what affect does it have on you?
ETA: I mean "idiot on a message board" generically. I'm just an idoit on a message board as well.
This whole thing is silly on both sides. By starting a whole new thread as a spinoff from "collaberation/mentor" one, pizzatime is just asking for any abuse that he'll take. At the same time, if I was a Seahawks fan, I'd just let it go. Who cares what some idiot on a message board thinks - even if he's "ballsy" enough to play in high stakes Vegas magic football leagues - just enjoy your victory. Your team obviously had enough offense. If some one wants to dig his heels in and say they didn't, what affect does it have on you?
ETA: I mean "idiot on a message board" generically. I'm just an idoit on a message board as well.
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Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Above average offense + historically great defense should scare anyone. There's no reason to look at either of them in isolation. And the offense is miles better than the Super Bowl winning Ravens (both of them) and Bucs because Russell Wilson is an actual NFL QB.pizzatyme said:
pizzatyme
Footballguy
Dr. Octopus, not sure why you have to resort to name calling. I started this thread to get input from other fans on their perspective of the Seahawks offense.
I have stated my position in other threads but didn't want to influence what others might say since I'm guessing not everyone reads every thread (especially a thread on collaboration in the offseason) to get others' perspectives.
Simply stated, does the offense scare you on its own merits.
I think it's certainly much more potent with Harvin in the fold for sure.
I have stated my position in other threads but didn't want to influence what others might say since I'm guessing not everyone reads every thread (especially a thread on collaboration in the offseason) to get others' perspectives.
Simply stated, does the offense scare you on its own merits.
I think it's certainly much more potent with Harvin in the fold for sure.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I edited my response. When I said "idiot on a message board" that's all you'd be to me if I was a Seahwks fan. Basically some random stranger I don't care about. not that you are literally an idiot.
MoveToSkypager
Footballguy
You know what would be scary? Kirk Cousins to TY Hilton!
Hooper31
Footballguy
Credibility? Shot. Sinking fast.... What to do? Claim ignorance and profess desire to learn. Be prepared to play the victim card. Of course you're being attacked by those other nasty people.
pizzatyme
Footballguy
WTF are you talking about? Is it unreasonable to ask other NFL fans their thought on a football message board?
Honestly, your fascination with me is a bit alarming.
RBM
Footballguy
It's middle of the pack. Wilson is inconsistent. I know Kearse and Baldwin played great in the playoffs but I'm not buying that duo. Harvin is very dangerous but very brittle and opposing teams will try to rough him up. Running game should continue to be one of the best with 3 talented backs.
No, does not scare me.
No, does not scare me.
not sure why that matters?
they are a team built on a strong defense and strong running game with a very good QB who can beat you with either his legs or arm. I think as Wilson and the young receivers he has continue to develop, they will be a pretty potent offense who can score points in bunches when they have to. But, the philosophy of the team is not really built on spreading everybody out and running the hurry up style that the truly "scary" offenses run these days. They just go out and execute better than their opponents each week so that's somewhat scary in a way.
I know I wouldn't want to face the team, but it's mainly because of their defense.
they are a team built on a strong defense and strong running game with a very good QB who can beat you with either his legs or arm. I think as Wilson and the young receivers he has continue to develop, they will be a pretty potent offense who can score points in bunches when they have to. But, the philosophy of the team is not really built on spreading everybody out and running the hurry up style that the truly "scary" offenses run these days. They just go out and execute better than their opponents each week so that's somewhat scary in a way.
I know I wouldn't want to face the team, but it's mainly because of their defense.
Hooper31
Footballguy
You made a statement. Repeated it so many times it became obnoxious. You were wrong. Now you're trying to save face.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
I think what we have here is a few years of the high flying offenses ruling the NFL, and now coaches have come up with an antedote.
So they don't have to scare you, they just have to run the ball, hold the ball, and get big plays when they need them. Nobody thinks they beat anyone in a shootout, it's just the shootout never happens.
So they don't have to scare you, they just have to run the ball, hold the ball, and get big plays when they need them. Nobody thinks they beat anyone in a shootout, it's just the shootout never happens.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Yes, because it only has to score 1 more point than what their defense gives up, which isn't many.
CapnJB
Footballguy
Since Wilson took over I don't think there are any teams that were confident they were going to beat Seattle going into the 4th quarter. None.
Fun Fact:
In 2013, the Seahawks were the only team to not lose by more than 7 points.
In 2012, the Seahawks were the only team to not lose by more than 7 points.
Defense keeps them in it and Wilson finishes the job (10 game winning drives in first two seasons). This offense doesn't need to be scary. Just needs to be efficient.
This season Seattle averaged 26 points a game... about 3 higher than the league average. In the postseason they averaged almost 30.
Fun Fact:
In 2013, the Seahawks were the only team to not lose by more than 7 points.
In 2012, the Seahawks were the only team to not lose by more than 7 points.
Defense keeps them in it and Wilson finishes the job (10 game winning drives in first two seasons). This offense doesn't need to be scary. Just needs to be efficient.
This season Seattle averaged 26 points a game... about 3 higher than the league average. In the postseason they averaged almost 30.
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msudaisy26
Footballguy
David Dodds
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They have the best defense. They excel at special teams. They have depth everywhere. Why the hell would you even want to play hurry up football with a younger quarterback? But when they have needed points, this offense has shown it can and does score points in bunches. Most of the best offenses (fantasy scoring) have weakish defenses, ineffective run games or both. Those high-scoring teams are forced to throw the ball (and play hurry up). Seattle is going to play a balanced attack every game unless something dictates that they HAVE to change up that plan. And when you are as dominant as they are on defense and special teams, that won't happen very often.
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proninja
Footballguy
They have the best defense. They excel at special teams. They have depth everywhere. Why the hell would you even want to play hurry up football with a younger quarterback? But when they have needed points, this offense has shown it can and does score points in bunches. Most of the best offenses (fantasy scoring) have weakish defenses, ineffective run games or both. Those high-scoring teams are forced to throw the ball (and play hurry up). Seattle is going to play a balanced attack every game unless something dictates that they HAVE to change up that plan. And when you are as dominant as they are on defense and special teams, that won't happen very often.
Dinkle Heimer
Footballguy
This thread isn't going the way Pizzatyme hoped it would.
5Rings
Lurker
The offense will only get better as Wilson matures and the WRs stay healthy (no Harvin, Rice this year). I see people ripping the Seattle WRs, but the depth is fantastic. Baldwin and Kearse sure didn't perform like WR4/5 guys this season. The RB depth is phenomenal. I scratch my head over the talent on paper, but the OL does the job.
I see the D taking a FA hit and the team shifting it strength from D to O over the next few years.
Yes, I'd say the Seattle O scares me.
I see the D taking a FA hit and the team shifting it strength from D to O over the next few years.
Yes, I'd say the Seattle O scares me.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Yes the offense is scary for a couple of reasons. First they can put up points quick and take advantage of field position from the defense or special teams. This leads leads to the second reason why they are scary, once they get the lead the can hold the ball for large chunks of time and keep the other offense on the sidelines.
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Tau837
Footballguy
With regard to the bolded, Seattle's offense is already there.
Everyone knows they have a good running game. And it's a deep running game, with Turbin and Michael behind Lynch, and with Wilson being a good running QB.
So most people think the offense is "average" or "not scary" because they think the Seattle passing game isn't as good as its running game. That is incorrect. Consider where Seattle ranked in 2013 in various passing efficiency metrics:
- #5 in passer rating
- #9 in completion percentage
- #2 in TD percentage
- #10 in interception percentage
- #3 in yards per completion (YPC)
- #2 in yards per pass attempt (YPA)
- #3 in adjusted yards per pass attempt (AY/A)
- #5 in net yards per pass attempt (NY/A)
- #5 in adjusted net yards per pass attempt (ANY/A)
The Seahawks were also tied for #1 with 5 game winning drives and tied for #2 with 4 4th quarter comebacks. Those are strong indicators about a quality passing game.
Also, the Seahawks were #5 in drive scoring percentage and had the 6th fewest percentage of drives end in a turnover. Again, those metrics suggest a quality passing game.
Pro Football Focus rated Seattle's passing game as the 6th best in the NFL this season. They rated Wilson as the #5 QB in their version of passer rating.
Advanced NFL Stats rated Seattle's passing game at #4 in Expected Points Added per Pass (EPA/P).
Football Outsiders ranks Seattle's passing offense as the 8th best in the NFL this season.
Now consider that they accomplished these things with major injuries throughout their offensive line for most of the season and without #1 WR Harvin and mostly without #2 WR Rice. And also while facing a very difficult schedule.
And, like the running game, their passing game is deep. Kearse was their #5 WR coming into the season. I think Luke Willson is going to be very good, and he didn't play much this season.
Altogether, the Seahawks passing game is very underrated.
As for the offense overall, look at its track record since halfway through Wilson's rookie season. In their past 30 games (regular season and postseason), the Seahawks have averaged 28.5 ppg and have been held below 20 points just 4 times.
Yes, the offense should scare opponents.
MoveToSkypager
Footballguy
PIZZATYME is a huge fan of Kirk Cousins. I suggested that Cousins be traded to Indy so that the good fans of Indianapolis would no longer experience the soul crushing 4 INT day from Andrew Luck against a depleted NE defense. He hasn't yet given his opinion on the possible trade, but I think it's a good idea. I understand that he's in demand so my posts get lost in the shuffle. Maybe if you keep quoting me, he'll have more of a chance to see them and he'll share his opinions. His opinions really mean something, since he made a nice amount of cash in the FFPC, so I'd like to know what he thinks!
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
I think the reason for the "not scary" perception is that we don't see Wilson throw 30+ times for 300 yards and multiple TDs and lead 4th quarter comebacks all in the same game very often. This sometimes happens with teams with poor to average defenses, but this is where elite QBs make their names, especially in big games. The Atlanta game last year was close to that, but not quite, he lost.
He's very capable of having a poor to ok game where his main attribute is the accuracy, the big play, the beautiful 'how did he do that' pass just when he needs it, and not turning the ball over. The playoff win vs NO was probably in that category (9/18/103/0/0, 3 sacks, 67 QBR).
This is a function of the Seahawks' great defense, he simply is not put in this position very often. I would love to see him lead a high flying pass oriented attack, just not sure when it will happen though.
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pizzatyme
Footballguy
There are some fair points being made in here. I don't really think I'd say that the Seahawks offense is explosive. They are highly efficient, however.
At the end of the day, with their quality Defense and ST, they don't need to be explosive as stated above.
Ultimately the defense stood the test. When you face the historical #1 Offense and shut them down, that says something.
At the end of the day, with their quality Defense and ST, they don't need to be explosive as stated above.
Ultimately the defense stood the test. When you face the historical #1 Offense and shut them down, that says something.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
With the new rules and the poor defense I have a hard time saying Denver is the best offense ever.
johnadams
Footballguy
What's scary about the offense is that it doesn't have to be great to win. From what I saw, the teams that had some success against SEA did a good job of keeping RW in the pocket. He's amazing on the run, but he's not as effective as a pocket passer. Part of this is because his WRs aren't great, though they are a very smart group who know where to go when plays break down. Plus, RW's ability to extend a play often forces coverage to break down on its own. All three of their losses were against teams that were able to turn RW into a pocket passer almost exclusively. Of course, this is much easier said than done as it requires a disciplined and talented front seven, but RW is one of, if not the most, dangerous QB when scrambling.
Not scared yet, but it won't take much to get me there.
Not scared yet, but it won't take much to get me there.
buck naked
Footballguy
The offense is pretty good, but Russell Wilson makes the offense dangerous because he is an unpredictable playmaker. Outside of Percy if and when he is healthy, their WRs are average at best (sorry Doug Baldwin). I think Dodds said it best. This team has the capability to put points on the board when necessary.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Despite all of this offense nowadays, the Broncos still scored 161 more points more than any other team this past season. Granted, their Super Bowl vomit fest is a huge black mark against them, but it was against an historically great D, and it's not like all of the other highest-scored offenses in NFL history won it all either.
Tau837
Footballguy
You wouldn't say they are explosive? They were #2 in big plays, both total big plays and percentage of big plays, where big plays are defined as rushing plays that are over 10 yards and passing plays that are over 25 yards. The only team ahead of them was Philly. And they were #3 in the NFL last year.
Maybe I'm just not familiar with your definition of explosive, but I would expect anyone who has watched Seattle play to know their offense is an explosive offense.
Better question, which other Offenses would you rank above the Seahawks?
Green Bay
Denver
Chicago (let's call them equals)
Patriots
49ers
Saints
Eagles
They are definitely top 10 with Harvin, in my opinion. Without Harvin, probably seed them Top 15 or so. That Offensive Line is very good and Wilson is no slouch slinging the ball. Wrap in a little read-option with some decent receivers (Baldwin, Kearse, Tate, Rice, Harvin).
It's a very solid offense, if they add another playmaker WR. Watch out!
Green Bay
Denver
Chicago (let's call them equals)
Patriots
49ers
Saints
Eagles
They are definitely top 10 with Harvin, in my opinion. Without Harvin, probably seed them Top 15 or so. That Offensive Line is very good and Wilson is no slouch slinging the ball. Wrap in a little read-option with some decent receivers (Baldwin, Kearse, Tate, Rice, Harvin).
It's a very solid offense, if they add another playmaker WR. Watch out!
Dinkle Heimer
Footballguy
Carroll stated after the game if Russel needed to throw for 400 yards in the SB he would have done it. And before you laugh he threw for 385 yards against Atlanta in the playoffs last year when Seattle fell behind by 20 points. Wilson isn't in the same tier as the elite QBs (at least not yet); but those who are comparing him to Dilfer simply aren't watching much football or just trolling.
Tau837
Footballguy
He's had some of those games, they just don't need it very often right now. These were all strong games this season:
- New Orleans: 22/30 for 310 passing yards, 3 passing TDs
- @ Carolina: 25/33 for 320 passing yards, 1 passing TD
- @ Indy: 15/31 for 210 passing yards, 2 passing TDs, 1 interception, 13 carries for 102 rushing yards
- @ Arizona: 18/29 for 235 passing yards, 3 passing TDs
- @ Atlanta: 19/26 for 287 passing yards, 2 passing TDs
As you mentioned, his performance in the playoffs against Atlanta last year was also quite impressive. Sure, they lost that game, but when he walked off the field with 34 seconds remaining in the game, he had just led Seattle to a comeback from a 20 point deficit to take the lead. It was the defense that let Seattle down that day.
People who think he is a game manager aren't paying attention. He is the real deal.
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msudaisy26
Footballguy
I agree they dominated this year but I can think of several teams that I thought were more impressive and dominate for a season on offense and they had to do it with rules that weren't as friendly to the offense.
Tau837
Footballguy
The bolded doesn't make sense. Without Harvin this season, they were #8 in points, #9 in average yards per play, and #5 in percentage of drives ending in an offensive score. They were just #17 in yards, but that is because they run the clock and shorten games -- they were just #29 in plays from scrimmage this season.
IMO Denver, Green Bay, New Orleans, and Philadelphia are the only offenses clearly better than Seattle's.
seahawk 17
Footballguy
I see the Seahawks offense like a car. If it had to go 120mph it could, but it rarely has to.
Next season if Bevell calls offensive plays like he did in the SB, along with a healthy Harvin, you should be afraid.
ETA: I have never been a Bevell lover, but he was a genius calling plays in the SB.
Next season if Bevell calls offensive plays like he did in the SB, along with a healthy Harvin, you should be afraid.
ETA: I have never been a Bevell lover, but he was a genius calling plays in the SB.
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Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
Yes it does because it plays in sync with how their defense is playing. Before the playoffs, I entered the Seahawk thread and wished them luck as they were my pick.
It was my pick because they play strong defense, they run the ball, play special teams and good coaching.
I am not sure what you are looking for. Are they the greatest show on turf? No, but I appreciate that, I am tired of seeing eye popping stats and people going gaga over it.
They had the recipe for a SB and I saw it a mile away and profited handsomely from it. They reminded me of the 2000 Ravens who played very similar except I like Russell Wilson as a QB more than Dilfer although I felt the Ravens D was a little stingier giving up points, whatever.
It was my pick because they play strong defense, they run the ball, play special teams and good coaching.
I am not sure what you are looking for. Are they the greatest show on turf? No, but I appreciate that, I am tired of seeing eye popping stats and people going gaga over it.
They had the recipe for a SB and I saw it a mile away and profited handsomely from it. They reminded me of the 2000 Ravens who played very similar except I like Russell Wilson as a QB more than Dilfer although I felt the Ravens D was a little stingier giving up points, whatever.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
The early 90s Cowboys were like that, sometimes they'd spend an entire game without enetering that last gear but if they needed to, they could open it up. Seattle is rarely way behind, they have a great defense so why would you go slinging the ball all over the place, leave that to teams like Dallas and Detroit.seahawk 17 said:
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