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NFL Mock Draft - 2 Rounds (1 Viewer)
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Pictus Cat
Footballguy
So many ?
I don't think the Bears take a QB in the first and maybe not at all. Oline, safety.
I don't think the Bears take a QB in the first and maybe not at all. Oline, safety.
dirtyhalos
capital letter hater!
NoFBinLA
Moderator
Hi folks,
I'm going to try and hang around today and answer questions as they come - also am very interested in opinions - while many players impressed (or depressed) me at the Senior Bowl, it's only one of many events, so I tried (for the most part) to not react incredibly strongly one way or the other.
I suspect this mock to be very different post combine.
Anyway, thanks for reading.
Pictus Cat: I do think the Bears need to fill both needs - I just think - assuming they don't deal with it in free agency - that they really need a QB. Grossman is not the answer, IMO, we know Orton isn't either and Griese has also proven to be fairly ineffective (not to mention he's on the downside of his career).
Now if Woodsen continues to tumble, I think a pick in a different direction becomes more likely.
My question to you would be - do you feel they have a Qb on the roster who can take them to a Championship, think they can get a QB in free agency or think they just need Oline and safety more?
I'm going to try and hang around today and answer questions as they come - also am very interested in opinions - while many players impressed (or depressed) me at the Senior Bowl, it's only one of many events, so I tried (for the most part) to not react incredibly strongly one way or the other.
I suspect this mock to be very different post combine.
Anyway, thanks for reading.
Pictus Cat: I do think the Bears need to fill both needs - I just think - assuming they don't deal with it in free agency - that they really need a QB. Grossman is not the answer, IMO, we know Orton isn't either and Griese has also proven to be fairly ineffective (not to mention he's on the downside of his career).
Now if Woodsen continues to tumble, I think a pick in a different direction becomes more likely.
My question to you would be - do you feel they have a Qb on the roster who can take them to a Championship, think they can get a QB in free agency or think they just need Oline and safety more?
B Maverick
Footballguy
lots of guts dropping mcfadden that far but it could happen.
I am not a fan of the Chargers pick. OT depth is needed but Inside LB, CB, Safety and depth at DT may be more of a need. Not sure if there is someone there at their pick worth a 1st in those positions though. with no 2nd, 3rd or 4th (they may get a compensatory one though) they cant afford to waste their 1st.
It may be worth trading down to the top of the 2nd to get another 2nd or thrid or even a 1st next year (seems to work for dallas and NE)
I am not a fan of the Chargers pick. OT depth is needed but Inside LB, CB, Safety and depth at DT may be more of a need. Not sure if there is someone there at their pick worth a 1st in those positions though. with no 2nd, 3rd or 4th (they may get a compensatory one though) they cant afford to waste their 1st.
It may be worth trading down to the top of the 2nd to get another 2nd or thrid or even a 1st next year (seems to work for dallas and NE)
greenf7cat
Footballguy
very interesting mock draft... although I disagree with a lot of the selections, it was different from just about every other one I have looked into, which made it quite intriguing.
NoFBinLA
Moderator
Thanks - yeah I almost wussed out on the McFadden thing. I went back and forth on that alot as I really think he is a very talented player. On the other hand, many of the first teams need something else worse. Although the question on my mind post Super Bowl is - is Maroney really the go to RB the Pats need - he did well all playoffs, but didn't find much room last night. On the other hand, the Pats Oline was not as effective as it had been.Re: Chargers pick - the hardest thing as you hit the second half of the first round is value. What is there that a team needs and is that guy worth the first round pick (and let's face it, first round money). re: green7cat - I figure people could disagree alot with parts of it, but am glad you found it intriguing - really, at this point in the pre-draft/pre-combine/post Senior Bowl days, I find alot of rankings are all over the place - and I think that's because it can be really hard to definitively nail it all down so early. At this point, the point in a mock is to spur on discussion - you can love it, you can hate it, as long as it gets you talking and thinking.Which is not to say I was doing things just for the heck of it. But if I was on the fence on something, it was on my mind.
NoFBinLA
Moderator
I don't disagree - both with wanting Ellis and trading down. I avoided trades because a) the value table makes my head hurt and b) it's easier to pick top fantasy kicker than it is to guess who might trade for something.If McFadden drops outside the top 5, I expect a trade. I just didn't want to guess who it might be. Bengals have lots of work to do in a few areas - so if they could trade for a bucket of quality players and picks, they not only would, they should.
Mr. Peterson
Footballguy
I would puke out of my mouth if the Bills just miss out on Ellis and settle for a MUCH less talent in the pick of Balmer.
To me it would be similar to how I felt when we settled for Lynch.
But even then I think Balmer will not be as good as Lynch has been.
To me it would be similar to how I felt when we settled for Lynch.
But even then I think Balmer will not be as good as Lynch has been.
EBF
Footballguy
McFadden to the Raiders seems like the perfect storm of an overrated talent being sucked into a black hole of an organization. It's almost too perfect to not happen.
Woodson at 14 seems like a big stretch after he bombed in Mobile.
Sweed in the 1st also looks like a huge stretch to me. I don't even have him as a top 10 WR in this class.
You don't have a single RB going in the 2nd round, which I disagree with. Some team will fall in love with a guy like Kevin Smith, Jamaal Charles, Chris Johnson, Ray Rice, or Matt Forte. I see at least 1-2 of those guys sneaking into the 2nd round.
I also think you're overlooking some of the WRs. I've heard that Andre Caldwell and Lavelle Hawkins are borderline 1st round picks after the Senior Bowl. I can't see both of them falling out of the top 60. Earl Bennett and Devin Thomas also have a good chance of being top 50-60 picks.
Woodson at 14 seems like a big stretch after he bombed in Mobile.
Sweed in the 1st also looks like a huge stretch to me. I don't even have him as a top 10 WR in this class.
You don't have a single RB going in the 2nd round, which I disagree with. Some team will fall in love with a guy like Kevin Smith, Jamaal Charles, Chris Johnson, Ray Rice, or Matt Forte. I see at least 1-2 of those guys sneaking into the 2nd round.
I also think you're overlooking some of the WRs. I've heard that Andre Caldwell and Lavelle Hawkins are borderline 1st round picks after the Senior Bowl. I can't see both of them falling out of the top 60. Earl Bennett and Devin Thomas also have a good chance of being top 50-60 picks.
NoFBinLA
Moderator
I wish I could say you had a shot at Ellis, but short of trading up for him, it ain't happening. Assuming Ellis keeps going the way he has, he'll only get more valuable. Lynch - that dude just really amazed me last season.
Mr. Peterson
Footballguy
No Peterson though, and I guess that was the point I was trying to make.
NoFBinLA
Moderator
See I tried very hard not to overrate the Senior Bowl - some guys clearly moved up and affected my ranking (Cromartie most notably). (*edited - forgot to finish my thought before I posted) But I didn't want to overreatc too much to the week and ther has been some over-reaction in some circles regarding various players. It's a tight rope that I admit I could very well have slipped off of.The Rbs in round 2 - yeah, I thought about that when I reviewed the article. And I kept wanting to force one in, but I just felt there were bigger needs for many teams and that - given the RB depth this year - teams would lean towards filling talent out of shallower spots and wait on a RB.Woodson and Sweed were the two other ?? for me aside from McFadden. I guess I fall on the side of Martz's affect on Woodson being enough that I want to give the kid some more eye-time before I toss him out of the 1st.Appreciate the input EBF! All will be taken into consideration for the next versions.
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NoFBinLA
Moderator
Right - I see what you're saying there.Well, like it says in the article - he's got some good upside.
B Maverick
Footballguy
I think Woodsen falls and Henne is on the rise. As far as RBs, I think 4 in the first is a stretch and that is why there is none in the 2nd but I agree that one of those guys may get scooped up. I think we may see 2 or 3 first rd RBs and 2 2nds.
EBF
Footballguy
I don't think the backs will fall because of the depth. IMO, it usually doesn't work that way. If there are a lot of good backs in the draft, then all that means to me is that there will be a lot of backs drafted early. Charles and Johnson have an edge because of their elite speed. Forte and Rice are likely 3rd round picks.Hawkins and Caldwell have been first day guys all along. Ditto Devin Thomas. I see all 3 pushing for spots in round 2 on draft day.NoFBinLA said:
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Why is everyone so down on Cason?
NoFBinLA
Moderator
I can certainly see your point with the RBs. I suppose it depends on who needs them and how badly. Out of curiosity, I might go take a look at some historical stats and see how deep RB drafts have played out in the past. Not that it's a definitive thing, but trends are important!As I said, as the next few weeks progress I expect alot of movement on my boards.And again, I appreciate the input EBF. (and everyone for that matter).
NoFBinLA
Moderator
I don't think I'm that down on him - he has a few knocks (not the greatest tackler, can get wrapped up at the line when trying to jam up a WR) but will probably be a guy who succeeds as he gains more experience. I like the guys ahead of him a little more right now - he's someone i wrestled with a little bit and have been trying to read up on more since the mock was finished.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
By team:
1. Miami Jake Long, OT, Michigan
33. Miami QB Joe Flacco, Delaware
59. Miami (from San Diego) DE Darrell Robertson, Georgia Tech
2. St. Louis Chris Long, DE, VA
34. St. Louis CB Aqib Talib, Kansas
3. Atlanta Matt Ryan, QB, BC
35. Atlanta DT Pat Sims, Auburn
50. Atlanta (from Houston) OT Carl Nicks, Nebraska
4. Oakland Glenn Dorsey, DT, LSU
36. Oakland OT Anthony Collins, Kansas
5. Kansas City OT Ryan Clady, BOISE STATE
37. Kansas City DE Calais Campbell, Miami
6. New York Jets DE Vernon Gholston, OSU
38. NY Jets ILB Jerod Mayo, Tenn
8. Baltimore QB Brian Brohm Louisville
40. Baltimore CB Patrick Lee, Auburn
9. Cincinnati RB Darren McFadden, ARK
41. Cincinnati OLB Ali Highsmith, LSU
10. New Orleans DT Sedrick Ellis, USC
42. New Orleans CB Justin King
11. Buffalo DT Kentwan Balmer, North Carolina
43. Buffalo TE Fred Davis, USC
12. Denver OT Sam Baker, USC
44. Denver DT Marcus Harrison, Arkansas
13. Carolina OT Jeff Otah, PITT
45. Carolina QB Chad Henne, Michigan
14. Chicago QB Andre Woodson, Kentucky
46. Chicago WR Donnie Avery, Houston
15. Detroit CB Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, Tennessee State
47. Detroit OG Branden Albert, Virginia
16. Arizona RB Rashard Mendenhall, ILL
48. Arizona OLB Xavier Adibi, Virginia Tech
17. Minnesota DE Derrick Harvey, Florida
49. Minnesota CB Tracey Porter, Indiana
18. Houston RB John Stewart, Oregon
19. Philadelphia WR DeSean Jackson, CAL
51. Philadelphia DE Lawrence Jackson, USC
20. Tampa Bay - WR Malcolm Kelly, Oklahoma WR
52. Tampa Bay OT Oniel Cousins, UTEP
21. Washington WR Limas Sweed, Texas
53. Washington DE Christopher Ellis, Virgina Tech
22. Dallas (from Cleveland) CB Leodis McKelvin, Troy
28. Dallas WR Mario Manningham, Michigan
60. Dallas ILB Curtis Lofton, Oklahoma
23. Pittsburgh OT Gosder Cherius, Boston College
55. Pittsburgh DE Jason Jones, Eastern Michigan
24. Tennessee WR Early Doucet, LSU
56. Tennessee DT Trevor Laws, Notre Dame
25. Seattle RB Felix Jones, Arkansas
57. Seattle TE John Carlson
26. Jacksonville DE Quentin Groves, Auburn
58. Jacksonville CB Antione Cason, Arizona
27. San Diego OT Christopher Williams, Vanderbilt
29. San Francisco (from Indy) OLB Keith Rivers, USC
39. San Francisco WR James Hardy, Indiana
30. Green Bay S Kenny Phillips, Miami (FLA)
62. Green Bay CB Brandon Flowers, Virginia Tech
7. New England (from SF) CB Mike Jenkins, South Florida
31. New England Patriots FORFIETED
63. New England Patriots OLB Tavares Gooden, Miami
32. New York Giants - OLB Dan Conner, Penn St.
64. New York Giants WR Adarius Bowman, Oklahoma St.
54. Cleveland DE Phillip Merling, Clemson
61. Indianapolis OLB Bruce Davis, UCLA
1. Miami Jake Long, OT, Michigan
33. Miami QB Joe Flacco, Delaware
59. Miami (from San Diego) DE Darrell Robertson, Georgia Tech
2. St. Louis Chris Long, DE, VA
34. St. Louis CB Aqib Talib, Kansas
3. Atlanta Matt Ryan, QB, BC
35. Atlanta DT Pat Sims, Auburn
50. Atlanta (from Houston) OT Carl Nicks, Nebraska
4. Oakland Glenn Dorsey, DT, LSU
36. Oakland OT Anthony Collins, Kansas
5. Kansas City OT Ryan Clady, BOISE STATE
37. Kansas City DE Calais Campbell, Miami
6. New York Jets DE Vernon Gholston, OSU
38. NY Jets ILB Jerod Mayo, Tenn
8. Baltimore QB Brian Brohm Louisville
40. Baltimore CB Patrick Lee, Auburn
9. Cincinnati RB Darren McFadden, ARK
41. Cincinnati OLB Ali Highsmith, LSU
10. New Orleans DT Sedrick Ellis, USC
42. New Orleans CB Justin King
11. Buffalo DT Kentwan Balmer, North Carolina
43. Buffalo TE Fred Davis, USC
12. Denver OT Sam Baker, USC
44. Denver DT Marcus Harrison, Arkansas
13. Carolina OT Jeff Otah, PITT
45. Carolina QB Chad Henne, Michigan
14. Chicago QB Andre Woodson, Kentucky
46. Chicago WR Donnie Avery, Houston
15. Detroit CB Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, Tennessee State
47. Detroit OG Branden Albert, Virginia
16. Arizona RB Rashard Mendenhall, ILL
48. Arizona OLB Xavier Adibi, Virginia Tech
17. Minnesota DE Derrick Harvey, Florida
49. Minnesota CB Tracey Porter, Indiana
18. Houston RB John Stewart, Oregon
19. Philadelphia WR DeSean Jackson, CAL
51. Philadelphia DE Lawrence Jackson, USC
20. Tampa Bay - WR Malcolm Kelly, Oklahoma WR
52. Tampa Bay OT Oniel Cousins, UTEP
21. Washington WR Limas Sweed, Texas
53. Washington DE Christopher Ellis, Virgina Tech
22. Dallas (from Cleveland) CB Leodis McKelvin, Troy
28. Dallas WR Mario Manningham, Michigan
60. Dallas ILB Curtis Lofton, Oklahoma
23. Pittsburgh OT Gosder Cherius, Boston College
55. Pittsburgh DE Jason Jones, Eastern Michigan
24. Tennessee WR Early Doucet, LSU
56. Tennessee DT Trevor Laws, Notre Dame
25. Seattle RB Felix Jones, Arkansas
57. Seattle TE John Carlson
26. Jacksonville DE Quentin Groves, Auburn
58. Jacksonville CB Antione Cason, Arizona
27. San Diego OT Christopher Williams, Vanderbilt
29. San Francisco (from Indy) OLB Keith Rivers, USC
39. San Francisco WR James Hardy, Indiana
30. Green Bay S Kenny Phillips, Miami (FLA)
62. Green Bay CB Brandon Flowers, Virginia Tech
7. New England (from SF) CB Mike Jenkins, South Florida
31. New England Patriots FORFIETED
63. New England Patriots OLB Tavares Gooden, Miami
32. New York Giants - OLB Dan Conner, Penn St.
64. New York Giants WR Adarius Bowman, Oklahoma St.
54. Cleveland DE Phillip Merling, Clemson
61. Indianapolis OLB Bruce Davis, UCLA
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Don't count on the Vikings taking a corner. They've drafted Griffin and McCauley the last two years, plus Antoine Winfield is still under contract.
Vikes need help at DE, Safety, WR, and RT.
(And QB, but I don't think they'll draft one in the first two rounds.)
Vikes need help at DE, Safety, WR, and RT.
(And QB, but I don't think they'll draft one in the first two rounds.)
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Good read, nice job. Nice to see draftguys has some new talent this year
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Good read, nice job. Nice to see draftguys has some new talent this year
Something wrong with the old talent? Other than it being not so talented?
Weapon of Mass Instruction
Watch my feet!
1. McFadden will not fall to 9.
2. The Titans will almost certainly NOT draft a WR in round 1. Why must every mock draft have the Titans taking a WR in the 1st round? Lemmings.
2. The Titans will almost certainly NOT draft a WR in round 1. Why must every mock draft have the Titans taking a WR in the 1st round? Lemmings.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
You may be right. But just because you think so doesn't mean everyone else is wrong about it.
B Maverick
Footballguy
the lions couldnt possible take a wr in the 1st 3 years in a row!Why cant the titans? IF Young is ever going to be a passer they need a big time wr. givens? no. B jones? no. roydell williams? no.what other needs do they have?
Weapon of Mass Instruction
Watch my feet!
How ya' doing, Andy? Yes, I post the SAME thing in EVERY mock draft thread. You noticed that, huh?The only reason I do that...is because everyone has them selecting a WR.
I'll either be right or wrong. But the only reason that 10/10 mock drafts have the Titans taking a WR is because the other ones did, too.
Do the Titans need a WR? Holy crap, of course. However, the LAST thing they need is another young, rookie WR. They need impact NOW. I am fully convinced that they'll address this via free agency or trade...or both. They may very well draft a WR, as well, but not in the 1st.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Just about everyone needs an impact WR NOW. Problem is there aren't many to go around. And I don't think the Titans are going to get into a bidding war over the mediocre free agent WR talent.Sure it sucks that you have to draft a young WR, but it's okay to roll the dice with one of the top rated WRs rather than get hopeful that a later round one will pan out.
If they don't grab a WR in free agency or via trade, then a WR in the first is a distinct possibility. It's obviously the biggest Titans need and therefore isn't a mystery why most mockers have them grabbing one.
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NoFBinLA
Moderator
Well - and normally I wouldn't type these words, but in my defense I wasn't worried about the other mocks. It's not the reason I have them take a WR. They take a WR in my world because they need someone for Young to throw to. Can they do this in Free Agency? Yup. In fact they should. But until they do, I think it's a need. But I appreciate the input.To other comments -
Thanks for the props 5rings.
hauser42 - I couldn't give GB Fred Davis - not after Donald Lee played his tail off last year. I dunno why so many mocks ignore him and focus on Bubba Franks.
Mr Dufresne - I agree there is no way the vikes spend a high draft pick on QB, if one at all. I do like a cb pick for them, still. As I don't know that what they have is the answer. They do need help at the other areas, although I also don't see them grabbing WR in the 1st.
Also - props once again to the Shark Pool - most fun I've had on the boards in a loooooong time.
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MAC_32
Footballguy
QB...sorry, I had to. In the Titans' case I think they need to choose BPA and at that point in the draft WR isn't it, maybe a few picks later but not then.
Ridgelake
Footballguy
Andrew, a lot of unusual things in this mock. Some good things and a lot thats clearly been thought out. There are a few things that struck me as a bit odd though.
1) I have a hard time seeing Miami not going for 1 of the 2 d-linemen. It is so much in Parcells' nature to go that route. He WANTS to use 1st rounders on defensive front seven guys. I remember him discussing having the first pick when Orlando Pace was coming in. Clearly a top, top talent at OT. But Parcells wanted no part of paying #1 overall to an OT. As good of a prospect as Long is, I don't think he's as good as one as Pace was. This makes it more unlikely to me that they'd go in that direction now.
2) There are a lot of first round WRs. Including some to organizations that are strongly biased against doing that. Philly and Dallas being foremost among those.
3) Being a big Cowboy fan, I would be VERY happy to see McKelvin's name called at 22.
4) At 28, however, I would be very surprised to see them go WR. Yes, they need to upgrade the WR spot. But both Jerry and Wade have publicly stated that they are against taking 1st round WRs. They feel the high bust rate, the availability of FA pickups, and that lower round WRs work out just about as well as 1st rounders makes it unlikely they take one that early. Thay also drafted a very talented guy last year in Stanback who is converting from QB to WR. So there is already a young talented WR being groomed on the roster. They've also said that WR is a FA target for them. The bottom line is that they will most likely address the WR spot in means other than a 1st round pick.
Given who is on the board at 28, I would be shocked if they passed on the top safetly prospect of Kenny Phillips. Roy Williams appears done. Never a great cover man, he made up for it in the past with dynamic plays, forced fumbles, big hits, etc. Those plays have become less and less common. I've been a long time defender of Roy. But I can't do it anymore. He is a liability and needs to be replaced. A super talented rookie like Phillips would pair VERY effectively when a strong, knowledgeable vet like Hamlin. Hamlin would be the coach-on-the-field that would help the talented rookie not make mental mistakes. Something that Darren Woodson did to the rookie Roy Williams.
5) ILB is NOT a major need for Dallas. Brady James is just shy of pro bowl level. Akin Ayodele is a serviceable vet. Not great by any stretch, but adequate. Behind them are recent high draft picks in Kevin Burnett (2nd roudner) and Bobby Carpenter (1st rounder). Burnett, in particular, seems like he's about to emerge as the starter. Guess who was in the base defense in the playoff game when they were trying to get the ball back from the Giants in the 4th quarter? Burnett. He's your upgrade next year. Not yet another first-day draft pick LB.
Your other thought, RB, would be much more likely. Dallas needs a compliment to Barber. I'm sure there's a good speed guy who might also be a decent kick returner (Returner is another need for the team). Or maybe go WR at that spot.
Overall, a lot of good ideas and a lot of thought. Good job!
1) I have a hard time seeing Miami not going for 1 of the 2 d-linemen. It is so much in Parcells' nature to go that route. He WANTS to use 1st rounders on defensive front seven guys. I remember him discussing having the first pick when Orlando Pace was coming in. Clearly a top, top talent at OT. But Parcells wanted no part of paying #1 overall to an OT. As good of a prospect as Long is, I don't think he's as good as one as Pace was. This makes it more unlikely to me that they'd go in that direction now.
2) There are a lot of first round WRs. Including some to organizations that are strongly biased against doing that. Philly and Dallas being foremost among those.
3) Being a big Cowboy fan, I would be VERY happy to see McKelvin's name called at 22.
4) At 28, however, I would be very surprised to see them go WR. Yes, they need to upgrade the WR spot. But both Jerry and Wade have publicly stated that they are against taking 1st round WRs. They feel the high bust rate, the availability of FA pickups, and that lower round WRs work out just about as well as 1st rounders makes it unlikely they take one that early. Thay also drafted a very talented guy last year in Stanback who is converting from QB to WR. So there is already a young talented WR being groomed on the roster. They've also said that WR is a FA target for them. The bottom line is that they will most likely address the WR spot in means other than a 1st round pick.
Given who is on the board at 28, I would be shocked if they passed on the top safetly prospect of Kenny Phillips. Roy Williams appears done. Never a great cover man, he made up for it in the past with dynamic plays, forced fumbles, big hits, etc. Those plays have become less and less common. I've been a long time defender of Roy. But I can't do it anymore. He is a liability and needs to be replaced. A super talented rookie like Phillips would pair VERY effectively when a strong, knowledgeable vet like Hamlin. Hamlin would be the coach-on-the-field that would help the talented rookie not make mental mistakes. Something that Darren Woodson did to the rookie Roy Williams.
5) ILB is NOT a major need for Dallas. Brady James is just shy of pro bowl level. Akin Ayodele is a serviceable vet. Not great by any stretch, but adequate. Behind them are recent high draft picks in Kevin Burnett (2nd roudner) and Bobby Carpenter (1st rounder). Burnett, in particular, seems like he's about to emerge as the starter. Guess who was in the base defense in the playoff game when they were trying to get the ball back from the Giants in the 4th quarter? Burnett. He's your upgrade next year. Not yet another first-day draft pick LB.
Your other thought, RB, would be much more likely. Dallas needs a compliment to Barber. I'm sure there's a good speed guy who might also be a decent kick returner (Returner is another need for the team). Or maybe go WR at that spot.
Overall, a lot of good ideas and a lot of thought. Good job!
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NoFBinLA
Moderator
Hey ridgelake,
Thanks for the comments - some good takes on the 'boys I thought long and hard about that second Dallas pick - and Roy Williams is surely on my mind at that point. If as you say they grab someone in FA, and a top S is there, then for sure that's the way to go. And I'll certainly entertain that it's the pick here regardless.I also agree that they will probably need a compliment to Barber come draft time and they;ll get one somewhere in this draft.
That first parcells/miami pick also was one I went back and forth on, for exactly the reason you mention. It might be one where history should have dictated more than what I think is a top need for them. I almost swapped the Rams and Phins pick more than once. I think it will be one I look at for a long time.
All your points are good ones - I definitely keep them in mind as the Combine approaches and the second version of this comes out just after.
Thanks for the great input and the props!
Thanks for the comments - some good takes on the 'boys I thought long and hard about that second Dallas pick - and Roy Williams is surely on my mind at that point. If as you say they grab someone in FA, and a top S is there, then for sure that's the way to go. And I'll certainly entertain that it's the pick here regardless.I also agree that they will probably need a compliment to Barber come draft time and they;ll get one somewhere in this draft.
That first parcells/miami pick also was one I went back and forth on, for exactly the reason you mention. It might be one where history should have dictated more than what I think is a top need for them. I almost swapped the Rams and Phins pick more than once. I think it will be one I look at for a long time.
All your points are good ones - I definitely keep them in mind as the Combine approaches and the second version of this comes out just after.
Thanks for the great input and the props!
Drunken Cowboy
Footballguy
Yet another mock draft that predicts the Steelers reach for players that don't really fit on their team anyhow.
Not likely to happen.
Not likely to happen.
Ridgelake
Footballguy
Some further thoughts on this...A lot of people have Dallas taking a RB in the first. I suppose its possble. But I don't think its likely. First off, you're talking about a guy who may play 40% of the snaps for the next several years. Dallas has its starting RB in Barber. I think he gets signed long term. So any back would be a COP guy. Does it make any sense to burn a 1st rounder on a guy you know won't play that much for several years? Also, this is a very deep RB class. Quality guys will be found much later. And given how many teams are getting quality RBs with second day picks and UFAs, its tough to justify using scarce resources (1st round picks) on this position. One crazy thought I had for Miami. Gholston. Going off memory, Tuna has used first roudn picks on OLBs: Lawrence Taylor, Carl Banks, Willie McGinest, John Abraham, DeMarcus Ware, and Bobby Carpenter. IIRC, LT, Banks, and McGinnest were all top 5 picks. Another top 10 LB Tuna pick was James Farrior.Not sure if Gholston rates out as high as Long and Dorsey. But the position sure is one that Tuna favors. Might be a way to really step out from the mainstream. And have a reason to do so.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Duk
Footballguy
I like them getting a corner with the first pick but Im not a fan of Manningham and would hate to see them go with him that high. Also I would rather see them go T or RB in the second or even another CB
