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NFL Network's top 100 - the order of QBs (1 Viewer)

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They still have to get to the top 10, which means Rodgers, Peyton and Brady will all be in there (in whatever order), but the rest of the top 100 had the following quarterbacks in this order:

11. Drew Brees

15. Robert Griffin III

17. Matt Ryan

19. Joe Flacco

23. Andrew Luck

43. Eli Manning

46. Cam Newton

51. Russell Wilson

61. Ben Roethlisberger

76. Matthew Stafford

81. Colin Kaepernick

Can you say WTF???

How is RG3 already the 5th best QB?

How is Luck ahead of Wilson, much less 28 spots ahead of him?

How is Kaepernick that far below the other 2012 first year starters when he took his team to the Super Bowl and those other three had one combined playoff win?

Despite his playoff run, does anyone really think Flacco is now one of the 20 best players in the league?

Say what you want about Tony Romo, but he is among the best 14 quarterbacks in the NFL.

 
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Griffin is an absurdly good runner... and ranked in the top five in 2012 in passer rating, completion percentage, yards per completion, adjusted yards per attempt, net yards per attempt, and adjusted net yards per attempt.

He also led the NFL in interception rate, yards per attempt, and yards per carry.

He ranked 5th in ESPN's QBR, and I think we can all agree that his supporting cast was worse -- by a lot -- than the QBs in front of him (Manning, Brady, Ryan, Rodgers).

I can see putting Brees and Ryan ahead of him along with the other three, but I certainly think RG3 has as good an argument for #6 -- if not higher -- than any other QB.

 
The biggest problem is its inconsistent on what they're ranked by... If they want to rank by stats, why is Eli there over Cam Newton and if they're going by leading a team and winning games, why is Cam on there at all? Russell Wilson by most measures should have been ahead of both of those guys.

It's just inconsistent. I know it's just a list for discussion, but there should be some logic and format to it.

 
Isn't this the list the players vote on? Of course it's not going to have any logic to it.

I won't comment on the Griffin stuff from the OP because Chase just covered it really well, and because I'd be seen as a homer anyways.

 
Chase, I generally agree with you, regarding RG3. I just think being the 5th best already was a bit premature.

 
Isn't this the list the players vote on? Of course it's not going to have any logic to it.

I won't comment on the Griffin stuff from the OP because Chase just covered it really well, and because I'd be seen as a homer anyways.
NFLN has the players each name their top 20 players in the NFL. Then they tally the results and rank them by number of lists they showed up in.

So I wouldn't really expect the results to make much sense. It also explains why you have things like Jacoby Jones appearing ahead of Percy Harvin. I wouldn't be surprised if there aren't teams who say, "Hey, let's all vote for X to try to get him in the list."

 
Chase, I generally agree with you, regarding RG3. I just think being the 5th best already was a bit premature.
There's no "already" -- we can't punt on the question of where to rank RG3 until next year.

I have a hard time separating out the tier after the top 4 (I'd include Brees). I think there's a pretty large group of QBs in that QB5 to QBX tier.

 
The biggest problem is its inconsistent on what they're ranked by... If they want to rank by stats, why is Eli there over Cam Newton and if they're going by leading a team and winning games, why is Cam on there at all? Russell Wilson by most measures should have been ahead of both of those guys.

It's just inconsistent. I know it's just a list for discussion, but there should be some logic and format to it.
I thought Wilson improved but seeing the chart confirms that he made dramatic improvements along the way.

PFF_SamSam Monson31 May
Here is Russell Wilson's game by game grading from his rookie year @PFF. Imagine if that line continues in 2013... pic.twitter.com/ZADX0FM3yH
https://twitter.com/PFF_Sam/status/340500111530536960/photo/1

 
The biggest problem is its inconsistent on what they're ranked by... If they want to rank by stats, why is Eli there over Cam Newton and if they're going by leading a team and winning games, why is Cam on there at all? Russell Wilson by most measures should have been ahead of both of those guys.

It's just inconsistent. I know it's just a list for discussion, but there should be some logic and format to it.
I thought Wilson improved but seeing the chart confirms that he made dramatic improvements along the way.

PFF_SamSam Monson31 May
Here is Russell Wilson's game by game grading from his rookie year @PFF. Imagine if that line continues in 2013... pic.twitter.com/ZADX0FM3yH
https://twitter.com/PFF_Sam/status/340500111530536960/photo/1
That picture didn't really look that accurate to me. Sure, there were a couple games that seemed to fit that line, but it didn't fit games 2, 3, 5, 6, 8, 9, 13, 14, 16, 17, WC, or DP. In other words, 12 of 18 games didn't really fit that pattern they were pushing, or 66% of all games he played.

 
This is one of these situations where the marketing overtakes quality. It happens in the grammies and the oscars all the time.

Has ESPN ever shown who really picks these rankings? As journalists and reporters they should be doing this based on some objective standards, but this is ESPN. The "E" is for "Entertainment."

 
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Chase, I generally agree with you, regarding RG3. I just think being the 5th best already was a bit premature.
Those rankings are by the players for 2012 only. Not career.
Then how is Frank Gore in the top 40 and C.J. Spiller (assuming he is not on the top 10) not on there at all? And how is LeSean McCoy 45 if it based on just 2012?
Because it's based on every NFL player putting their top 20 players in a list. It isn't a group of people sitting down and using some kind of meaningful criteria to evaluate everyone and try to get players in a correct order. It's a "wisdom of the crowds" limited to NFL players as the crowd, that wasn't implemented in a good way for the final list they are trying to create.

 
This is one of these situations where the marketing overtakes quality. It happens in the grammies and the oscars all the time.

Has ESPN ever shown who really picks these rankings? As journalists and reporters they should be doing this based on some objective standards, but this is ESPN. The "E" is for "Entertainment."
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It is NFL Network, not ESPN. They tell you each episode how the selections are done. I just posted what the method was 7 posts before yours.

 
This is one of these situations where the marketing overtakes quality. It happens in the grammies and the oscars all the time.

Has ESPN ever shown who really picks these rankings? As journalists and reporters they should be doing this based on some objective standards, but this is ESPN. The "E" is for "Entertainment."
:wall:

It is NFL Network, not ESPN. They tell you each episode how the selections are done. I just posted what the method was 7 posts before yours.
Pfft. Ok, apologies. And I've seen the show so I should have realized that.

NFLN has the players each name their top 20 players in the NFL. Then they tally the results and rank them by number of lists they showed up in.
All the players vote on this? Or do they take just whoever responds?

Some of these guys might not take a lot of time to think about their responses.... or simply fill in spaces without giving much thought to it. And some of the responders might treat it like some of the coaches do in teh college polls, giving credit to players on their own teams, and more or less credit to rivals, and the like. Some players may not even pay attention to what's going on in the rest of the league (for instance, Griffin may go down as a "favorite" not truly as "better" than Matt Ryan or Ben Roethlisberger). Some players may know from actually playing against someone or they may just know from watching them on the highlights like a lot of fans.

I doubt NFL actually says who was providing responses. My comment about sheer entertainment being the source was obviously way wrong but there are all sorts of unobjective factors which could come into play depending on who does the lists.

I think the entertainment aspect still comes into play in the way the NFLN can take these lists seriously.

 
They still have to get to the top 10, which means Rodgers, Peyton and Brady will all be in there (in whatever order), but the rest of the top 100 had the following quarterbacks in this order:

11. Drew Brees

15. Robert Griffin III

17. Matt Ryan

19. Joe Flacco

23. Andrew Luck

43. Eli Manning

46. Cam Newton

51. Russell Wilson

61. Ben Roethlisberger

76. Matthew Stafford

81. Colin Kaepernick

Can you say WTF???

How is RG3 already the 5th best QB? --Because he demonstrated top-5 QB talent last season

How is Luck ahead of Wilson, much less 28 spots ahead of him? Better skillset, great season, much much worse team. Luck is slightly better IMO too.

How is Kaepernick that far below the other 2012 first year starters when he took his team to the Super Bowl and those other three had one combined playoff win? The Niners went to the SB. Not because of CK, but because of a DOMINANT defense, very solid RB and QB play. Do you think Flacco is the best QB in the NFL because he won the SB? Of course not.

Despite his playoff run, does anyone really think Flacco is now one of the 20 best players in the league? Agreed, Romo is equal or better.

Say what you want about Tony Romo, but he is among the best 14 quarterbacks in the NFL. Agreed, he's equal or better than Flacco.
Questions above answered (see bold)

 
That "dominant" SF defense got torched for most of December, January and February, so while their defense was integral in them getting to December with the record they had, Kaepernick's play was a huge reason why a playoff team became a Super Bowl team.

 
It is a very subjective list. If you weren't allowed to select guys from your team and took every NFL OLmen to rank DLmen #1-10 and then gave them reciprocating scores for rank and then added them up, you could get a good positional rank. No way to do this well across all positions.

 
Yeah, he was in the 30s or 40s. Gronk went in the 20s iirc. He Fitzgerald and Brandon Marshall were all lower than Reggie Wayne which I did not agree with. At all.

 
That "dominant" SF defense got torched for most of December, January and February, so while their defense was integral in them getting to December with the record they had, Kaepernick's play was a huge reason why a playoff team became a Super Bowl team.
Yup, Kaepernick was a one man wrecking crew against GB and led huge comebacks via the air against ATL and (almost) against Bal after the defense put him in terrible positions.

 
Top 10 had the three expected QBs:

2. Peyton Manning

4. Tom Brady

6. Aaron Rodgers

Interesting that Rodgers was the lowest of the three; I would have put him first among quarterbacks. I think the perception that he had a down year hurt him, as if 39 TD and 8 INTs while leading the league in passer rating again is a down year.

 
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PFT did a Top 100 where they had media types come up with an actual ranked list of 100 rather than having players rank the top 20 players and then take the top 100 people named.

1 Aaron Rodgers, quarterback, Packers

2 Tom Brady, quarterback, Patriots

3 J.J. Watt, defensive end, Texans

4 Adrian Peterson, running back, Vikings

5 Calvin Johnson, receiver, Lions

6 Peyton Manning, quarterback, Broncos

7 Drew Brees, quarterback, Saints

8 Von Miller, linebacker, Broncos

9 Geno Atkins, defensive tackle, Bengals

10 Darrelle Revis, cornerback, Buccaneers

11 Patrick Willis, linebacker, 49ers

12 Richard Sherman, cornerback, Seahawks

13 Larry Fitzgerald, receiver, Cardinals

14 DeMarcus Ware, linebacker, Cowboys

15 A.J. Green, receiver, Bengals

16 Eli Manning, quarterback, Giants

17 Matt Ryan, quarterback, Falcons

18 Clay Matthews, linebacker, Packers

19 Ben Roethlisberger, quarterback, Steelers

20 Aldon Smith, linebacker, 49ers

21 Cameron Wake, defensive end, Dolphins

22 Joe Flacco, quarterback, Ravens

23 Joe Thomas, offensive tackle, Browns

24 Haloti Ngata, defensive tackle, Ravens

25 Andre Johnson, receiver, Texans

26 Rob Gronkowski, tight end, Patriots

27 Duane Brown, offensive tackle, Texans

28 Justin Smith, defensive end, 49ers

29 Brandon Marshall, receiver, Bears

30 Robert Griffin III, quarterback, Redskins

31 Julio Jones, receiver, Falcons

32 NaVorro Bowman, linebacker, 49ers

33 Arian Foster, running back, Texans

34 Jason Pierre-Paul, defensive end, Giants

35 Andrew Luck, quarterback, Colts

36 Ryan Clady, offensive tackle, Broncos

37 Patrick Peterson, cornerback, Cardinals

38 Jimmy Graham, tight end, Saints

39 Marshawn Lynch, running back, Seahawks

40 Jared Allen, defensive end, Vikings

41 Russell Wilson, quarterback, Seahawks

42 Joe Staley, offensive tackle, 49ers

43 Julius Peppers, defensive end, Bears

44 Charles Tillman, cornerback, Bears

45 Vince Wilfork, defensive tackle, Patriots

46 Wes Welker, receiver, Broncos

47 Ray Rice, running back, Ravens

48 Eric Weddle, safety, Chargers

49 Earl Thomas, safety, Seahawks

50 Jamaal Charles, running back, Chiefs

51 Demaryius Thomas, receiver, Broncos

52 Colin Kaepernick, quarterback, 49ers

53 Percy Harvin, receiver, Seahawks

54 Ndamukong Suh, defensive tackle, Lions

55 Cam Newton, quarterback, Panthers

56 Dez Bryant, receiver, Cowboys

57 Gerald McCoy, defensive tackle, Buccaneers

58 Marshal Yanda, guard, Ravens

59 Roddy White, receiver, Falcons

60 Vincent Jackson, receiver, Buccaneers

61 Daryl Washington, linebacker, Cardinals

62 Jason Witten, tight end, Cowboys

63 Jahri Evans, guard, Saints

64 Mike Iupati, guard, 49ers

65 Jerod Mayo, linebacker, Patriots

66 Terrell Suggs, outside linebacker, Ravens

67 Tony Gonzalez, tight end, Falcons

68 Logan Mankins, guard, Patriots

69 Luke Kuechly, linebacker, Panthers

70 Jairus Byrd, safety, Bills

71 LeSean McCoy, running back, Eagles

72 Troy Polamalu, safety, Steelers

73 Muhammad Wilkerson, defensive end, Jets

74 Maurkice Pouncey, center, Steelers

75 Victor Cruz, receiver, Giants

76 Tony Romo, quarterback, Cowboys

77 Doug Martin, running back, Buccaneers

78 Frank Gore, running back, 49ers

79 Carl Nicks, guard, Buccaneers

80 Maurice Jones-Drew, running back, Jaguars

81 Vernon Davis, tight end, 49ers

82 Evan Mathis, guard, Eagles

83 Alfred Morris, running back, Redskins

84 Joe Haden, cornerback, Browns

85 C.J. Spiller, running back, Bills

86 Calais Campbell, defensive end, Cardinals

87 Matthew Stafford, quarterback, Lions

88 Antonio Cromartie, cornerback, Jets

89 Jason Peters, offensive tackle, Eagles

90 Jordan Gross, offensive tackle, Panthers

91 Mike Pouncey, center, Dolphins

92 Mike Wallace, receiver, Dolphins

93 Reggie Wayne, receiver, Colts

94 Ed Reed, safety, Texans

95 Henry Melton, defensive tackle, Bears

96 Lance Briggs, linebacker, Bears

97 Steve Smith, receiver, Panthers

98 Antoine Winfield, cornerback, Seahawks

99 Max Unger, center, Seahawks

100 Matt Forte, running back, Bears

 
Top 10 had the three expected QBs:

2. Peyton Manning

4. Tom Brady

6. Aaron Rodgers

Interesting that Rodgers was the lowest of the three; I would have put him first among quarterbacks. I think the perception that he had a down year hurt him, as if 39 TD and 8 INTs while leading the league in passer rating again is a down year.
I guess everyone views it differently, but Manning does not belong at No. 2, ie the No. 1 QB, I'd say put him at No. 4 QB. One SB win in a down year vs one of the poorer SB opponents in the rain, plus numerous big game losses vs Brady (4-10 all time vs Brady or something like that, one big win in that AFCC which Manning did everything possible to threw away early) and Brees (SB 44), not to mention games like the AFCC vs the Ravens. Brees has records for yards, completion % etc., etc. of the sort that regularly put Marino at the top of such lists in the past.

 
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Top 10 had the three expected QBs:

2. Peyton Manning

4. Tom Brady

6. Aaron Rodgers

Interesting that Rodgers was the lowest of the three; I would have put him first among quarterbacks. I think the perception that he had a down year hurt him, as if 39 TD and 8 INTs while leading the league in passer rating again is a down year.
I guess everyone views it differently, but Manning does not belong at No. 2, ie the No. 1 QB, I'd say put him at No. 4 QB. One SB win in a down year vs one of the poorer SB opponents in the rain, plus numerous big game losses vs Brady (4-10 all time vs Brady or something like that, one big win in that AFCC which Manning did everything possible to threw away early) and Brees (SB 44), not to mention games like the AFCC vs the Ravens. Brees has records for yards, completion % etc., etc. of the sort that regularly put Marino at the top of such lists in the past.
They are rankings for how people played in 2012. Not career.

 
Top 10 had the three expected QBs:

2. Peyton Manning

4. Tom Brady

6. Aaron Rodgers

Interesting that Rodgers was the lowest of the three; I would have put him first among quarterbacks. I think the perception that he had a down year hurt him, as if 39 TD and 8 INTs while leading the league in passer rating again is a down year.
I guess everyone views it differently, but Manning does not belong at No. 2, ie the No. 1 QB, I'd say put him at No. 4 QB. One SB win in a down year vs one of the poorer SB opponents in the rain, plus numerous big game losses vs Brady (4-10 all time vs Brady or something like that, one big win in that AFCC which Manning did everything possible to threw away early) and Brees (SB 44), not to mention games like the AFCC vs the Ravens. Brees has records for yards, completion % etc., etc. of the sort that regularly put Marino at the top of such lists in the past.
They are rankings for how people played in 2012. Not career.
Exactly. It's why I laugh when I sometimes hear people make the "Brady is the best cause he has three rings" statement as to why he is THE best QB, as if winning Super Bowls in 2001, 2003 and 2004 make him the best QB in 2013. Same for Manning. What he did years ago is irrelevant when discussing who is the best QB right now.

 

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