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NFL players think Jacoby Jones is better than Percy Harvin (1 Viewer)

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Yeah, but I'd bet they wouldn't take him over Harvin in their fantasy leagues. :D

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/05/03/nfl-players-think-jacoby-jones-is-better-than-percy-harvin/

NFL players think Jacoby Jones is better than Percy Harvin

Posted by Michael David Smith on May 3, 2013, 8:50 AM EDT
NFL Network’s annual “Top 100″ show, which counts down the 100 best players in the NFL as voted on by their peers, is a fun little program to while away the slowest time of the offseason. But anyone who actually takes the rankings seriously needs to realize that the players who vote in the poll don’t seem to watch much football.

Consider this: In the episode that aired on Thursday night, Ravens receiver and return man Jacoby Jones came in at No. 88, while Seahawks receiver and return man Percy Harvin came in at No. 90.

Does anyone seriously believe that Jacoby Jones is better than Percy Harvin?

In 2012, Jones played in all 16 games and his offensive output consisted of 30 catches for 406 yards, one carry for six yards, and one touchdown. Harvin’s season was cut short by an ankle injury in the ninth game of the year, but before he got hurt he already had 62 catches for 677 yards, 22 carries for 96 yards, and four touchdowns. And while Jones is a very good return man, Harvin averaged more than five yards per kickoff return better than Jones (35.9 to 30.7) last year.

Jones had three big plays in the postseason (an overtime-forcing touchdown against the Broncos and a long touchdown catch and long touchdown return in the Super Bowl), and those plays were probably fresh in the players’ minds when they voted. But three big plays don’t make Jones better than Harvin. Do three big plays make up for the fact that Jones has been in the league two years longer than Harvin has, but Harvin has more than 100 more catches than Jones and has more than 1,000 more receiving yards?

And here’s how you know how ridiculous the notion of Jones being better than Harvin is: A year ago, the Texans cut Jones, and in free agency he got a two-year, $7 million contract from the Ravens. This year, the Seahawks gave up first-, third- and seventh-round picks for Harvin and gave him a six-year, $67 million contract. When Jones and Harvin changed teams, the market spoke. And it spoke clearly that Harvin is better than Jones.

A final word on how ridiculous the NFL players’ votes are: Two years ago, Donovan McNabb made the list after a season in which he had been benched by the Redskins and before a season in which he would be benched by the Vikings. And last year, Tim Tebow made the list. Tebow was cut by the Jets this week, and his only offer has been to make $75 a game as a backup for the Omaha Beef.
 
He could be a value this year with Boldin gone, but I mean seriously come on here. The 6 > 3 > 2 > 1 receiving TD trend from 2009 to 2011 under Schaub and '12 with Flacco is not exactly helping the cause.

The big play angle is 100% on point. He and Flacco executed and all, but that was a broken play in the defensive secondary. Tyree and Manningham would get votes too in the years after their SB catches. Just saying.

 
:shrug: Jacoby was a pro-bowler and All-Pro in 2012 too.
Unless you're in a return league (where Jones did excel: 1167/2 KRT & 341/1 PRT), based on 2012 30/406/1 is barely start-able, most likely not. Probably why NFL players were voting for him from the perspective of overall talent/value to his team where he excels. Head to head comparison at WR, this is all Percy (he's also kind of good as a kick returner). 62/677/3 receiving, 574/1 KRT, and 22 rushes/96 yards/1TD rushing, with a lesser QB and WR corps. My vote for Percy, based on past history. That's not to say I might consider him late in a re-draft with potentially more looks in 2013 with Boldin gone.

 
:shrug: Jacoby was a pro-bowler and All-Pro in 2012 too.
Unless you're in a return league (where Jones did excel: 1167/2 KRT & 341/1 PRT), based on 2012 30/406/1 is barely start-able, most likely not. Probably why NFL players were voting for him from the perspective of overall talent/value to his team where he excels. Head to head comparison at WR, this is all Percy (he's also kind of good as a kick returner). 62/677/3 receiving, 574/1 KRT, and 22 rushes/96 yards/1TD rushing, with a lesser QB and WR corps. My vote for Percy, based on past history. That's not to say I might consider him late in a re-draft with potentially more looks in 2013 with Boldin gone.
Who is talking about fantasy here?

 
Recency effect. Jones WAS a huge reason the Ravens won the Super Bowl and people are still remembering those big plays. NFL players are going to remember impact over compilers.

 
Funny thing about the SP. Many struggle to separate the fantasy side from real football side. Jones was arguably the best return man in the NFL last year as well as a vital part of the Ravens title run.

Nobody ever said Jones was better for your fantasy team. So bringing up the receiving stats is a moot point in this context.

 
Funny thing about the SP. Many struggle to separate the fantasy side from real football side. Jones was arguably the best return man in the NFL last year as well as a vital part of the Ravens title run. Nobody ever said Jones was better for your fantasy team. So bringing up the receiving stats is a moot point in this context.
I'd be curious to see the argument. I don't think Jacoby Jones was even the best return man released by the Houston Texans in the last 12 months, to say nothing at all of on the same level as a Percy Harvin, Devin Hester, Leodis McKelvin, Patrick Peterson, or Josh Cribbs.Edit: I agree that Jones's value is higher than his receiving stats, by the way. I just think he's a very good, but not elite, returner, and if you want to put someone in the top 100 based solely on their returning ability, you'd be far better off taking Cribbs or McKelvin, who are more prolific, Holiday, who is more dynamic, or Hester, who even in a down year has a bigger impact on how opposing teams play special teams. And I certainly don't see how to justify Jones over Harvin, who is substantially better as both a receiver and a returner (although, in fairness, he doesn't return punts and Jones does). Jones making the top 100 is without question a function of optics- his best game came in the Super Bowl, and now he's on Dancing with the Stars.
 
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GMs seem to disagree as Jones will make 3 million base salary in 2013 while Harvins contract looks like this-

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YEAR	BASE	S. BONUS	MISC.	CAP HIT	DEAD2013	 2,500,000	 2,400,000	 -	4,900,000	 14,500,0002014	 11,000,000	 2,400,000	 -	13,400,000	 12,100,0002015	 10,500,000	 2,400,000	 -	12,900,000	 9,700,0002016	 9,900,000	 2,400,000	 -	12,300,000	 7,300,0002017	 9,950,000	 2,400,000	 -	12,350,000	 4,900,0002018	 11,150,000	 -	 -	11,150,000http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/seattle-seahawks/percy-harvin/
 
Recency effect. Jones WAS a huge reason the Ravens won the Super Bowl and people are still remembering those big plays. NFL players are going to remember impact over compilers.
I bet Jacoby isn't a headache on franchise and locker room neither.

 
Recency effect. Jones WAS a huge reason the Ravens won the Super Bowl and people are still remembering those big plays. NFL players are going to remember impact over compilers.
Do you even know how stupid that sentence sounds? Jones is an impact player and Harvin is a compiler. That is why Harvin was out there playing on a bum ankle, he wasn't trying to help his team win, instead, he was compiling stats for some future contract (I guess).

 

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