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fantasycurse42

fantasycurse42

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Not going to touch the AFC (except the Chargers who barely beat the Chiefs scout team)... This is solely about the complete bull#### of playoff seeding.

In the NFL a team is penalized for playing in a strong division, when it really should be the opposite. The NFC West is dominate this year. The ####ty Rams are a 9-7 team in just about any other division outside of the NFCW with Clemens who shouldn't even be an NFL QB. The Cards are a really talented team, two dynamic playmaking receivers, a decent QB, & a very solid defense. They're 11-5 or 12-4 in any other division... Instead their season is over (even if they won at 11-5 it would've been over) while the Chargers are in due to a missed FG. They went down to the wire against basically a team of backups.

Meanwhile , a 10-6 Eagles/9-7 Orton charged Cowboys will host an 11-5 Saints team & the biggest joke of all, an 8 win Packers team hosts a 12 win 49ers team. Something should be adjusted in the future to prevent this.

 
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fantasycurse42 said:
Not going to touch the AFC (except the Chargers who barely beat the Chiefs scout team)... This is solely about the complete bull#### of playoff seeding.

In the NFL a team is penalized for playing in a strong division, when it really should be the opposite. The NFC West is dominate this year. The ####ty Rams are a 9-7 team in just about any other division outside of the NFCW with Clemens who shouldn't even be an NFL QB. The Cards are a really talented team, two dynamic playmaking receivers, a decent QB, & a very solid defense. They're 11-5 or 12-4 in any other division... Instead their season is over (even if they won at 11-5 it would've been over) while the Chargers are in due to a missed FG. They went down to the wire against basically a team of backups.

Meanwhile , a 10-6 Eagles/9-7 Orton charged Cowboys will host an 11-5 Saints team & the biggest joke of all, an 8 win Packers team hosts a 12 win 49ers team. Something should be adjusted in the future to prevent this.
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I think Philly and Arizona played this year. I don't remember who won the game though.

The NFC East played the AFC West this year, it's not a balanced schedule.

 
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My bad... If Dallas wins they deserve a home playoff game. The 8-7-1 Pack might as well have a first round bye, they've earned it!

 
fantasycurse42 said:
Not going to touch the AFC (except the Chargers who barely beat the Chiefs scout team)... This is solely about the complete bull#### of playoff seeding.

In the NFL a team is penalized for playing in a strong division, when it really should be the opposite. The NFC West is dominate this year. The ####ty Rams are a 9-7 team in just about any other division outside of the NFCW with Clemens who shouldn't even be an NFL QB. The Cards are a really talented team, two dynamic playmaking receivers, a decent QB, & a very solid defense. They're 11-5 or 12-4 in any other division... Instead their season is over (even if they won at 11-5 it would've been over) while the Chargers are in due to a missed FG. They went down to the wire against basically a team of backups.

Meanwhile , a 10-6 Eagles/9-7 Orton charged Cowboys will host an 11-5 Saints team & the biggest joke of all, an 8 win Packers team hosts a 12 win 49ers team. Something should be adjusted in the future to prevent this.
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nah that's why they have divisions. Remember the Saints strolling into Seattle a few years ago for that formality of a game? That's why they play them.
 
I agree the whole seeding thing is kinda silly now. Why should a 12-4 team have to go on the road to face an 8-7-1 division winner. And theyll probably be underdogs going into the game too!

 
shadyridr said:
I agree the whole seeding thing is kinda silly now. Why should a 12-4 team have to go on the road to face an 8-7-1 division winner. And theyll probably be underdogs going into the game too!
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Has anyone seen an early line on this game yet? I couldn't find one, but I'm assuming it will be Niners by 4 or so.

 
shadyridr said:
I agree the whole seeding thing is kinda silly now. Why should a 12-4 team have to go on the road to face an 8-7-1 division winner. And theyll probably be underdogs going into the game too!
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They should just eliminate wildcard teams altogether. If you aren't good enough to win your division you shouldn't be in the playoffs.

 
Aren't you the guy who went ape-#### on some poster, bragging about your life accomplishments and how much money you've made and how you're better than everyone else?

 
Pretty simple concept here, an 8-7-1 team shouldn't host a team with 12 wins... They haven't earned that home game and a higher seed. Seattle shouldn't have hosted NO when they went 7-9, why did they have the advantage of a home game when they won the ####tiest conference that year and had a losing record.

This also hurts the higher seed, as they have to play a better team in the Divisional Round.

 
Give the Chargers some respect. They are a classic team that plays to the level of their competition. They have victories over the Broncos, Chiefs, Colts, Eagles and Cowboys. I expect them to be dangerous. They can definitely beat the Bengals. The Bengals are not worldbeaters. If they win that, they play the Broncos in Denver and they already beat them there once this year. Suddenly, the Chargers are in the AFC title game.

 
Riversco said:
Give the Chargers some respect. They are a classic team that plays to the level of their competition. They have victories over the Broncos, Chiefs, Colts, Eagles and Cowboys. I expect them to be dangerous. They can definitely beat the Bengals. The Bengals are not worldbeaters. If they win that, they play the Broncos in Denver and they already beat them there once this year. Suddenly, the Chargers are in the AFC title game.
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The Chargers are a 6 seed... It's fair enough and they have some quality wins (although the Cowboys aren't one of them)... They have to go on the road... They did get lucky today though against a team resting their starters. If he doesn't miss that 40 harder all of the sudden an 8-8 team is the 6 seed.

 
fantasycurse42 said:
MaxThreshold said:
fantasycurse42 said:
MaxThreshold said:
Aren't you the guy who went ape-#### on some poster, bragging about your life accomplishments and how much money you've made and how you're better than everyone else?
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:goodposting: see skypagers signature - solid contribution as well
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:lmao:
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You're on fire, you ghost-write for Seinfeld?
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Sometimes for Seinfeld. Sometimes for Chris Rock. A lot of work with Dave Chappelle.

I like the Playoff seedings the way they are. Divisions trump wild cards.

 
fantasycurse42 said:
Riversco said:
Give the Chargers some respect. They are a classic team that plays to the level of their competition. They have victories over the Broncos, Chiefs, Colts, Eagles and Cowboys. I expect them to be dangerous. They can definitely beat the Bengals. The Bengals are not worldbeaters. If they win that, they play the Broncos in Denver and they already beat them there once this year. Suddenly, the Chargers are in the AFC title game.
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The Chargers are a 6 seed... It's fair enough and they have some quality wins (although the Cowboys aren't one of them)... They have to go on the road... They did get lucky today though against a team resting their starters. If he doesn't miss that 40 harder all of the sudden an 8-8 team is the 6 seed.
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The Chargers have more quality wins than any team in the NFL this year. Their problem was dropping games to bad teams like the Texans, Raiders, and Titans. Had they taken care of business against the weaker teams, they wind up with 12 wins. And we saw that trend again today against the Chiefs backups. They just play up to the level of their competition.

I think a big part of that is how slow and methodical their offense is. They run the ball a lot (and its successful) and they take a lot of time to get set up and run plays. They needed 10 minutes in OT to drive the length of the field and kick a FG. Its great to control the ball like that, but I think the downside is it keeps bad teams in games. They can't just blow out bad teams. And they've gotten tripped up by that a few times.

 
If the Chargers meet the Broncos again, they will play the same way. They will dominate the line of scrimmage, dominate time of possession, and Manning will be parked on his butt all day. In the Denver game the Chargers won time of possession 38:49 to 21:11. They ran 44 times and took the air out of football. The Chargers are built to beat the Broncos if they meet them again.

But when you play like that against bad teams, they hang around in the 4th quarter and can beat you if things break the wrong way.

Don't underestimate the Chargers.

 
Riversco said:
fantasycurse42 said:
Riversco said:
Give the Chargers some respect. They are a classic team that plays to the level of their competition. They have victories over the Broncos, Chiefs, Colts, Eagles and Cowboys. I expect them to be dangerous. They can definitely beat the Bengals. The Bengals are not worldbeaters. If they win that, they play the Broncos in Denver and they already beat them there once this year. Suddenly, the Chargers are in the AFC title game.
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The Chargers are a 6 seed... It's fair enough and they have some quality wins (although the Cowboys aren't one of them)... They have to go on the road... They did get lucky today though against a team resting their starters. If he doesn't miss that 40 harder all of the sudden an 8-8 team is the 6 seed.
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The Chargers have more quality wins than any team in the NFL this year. Their problem was dropping games to bad teams like the Texans, Raiders, and Titans. Had they taken care of business against the weaker teams, they wind up with 12 wins. And we saw that trend again today against the Chiefs backups. They just play up to the level of their competition.

I think a big part of that is how slow and methodical their offense is. They run the ball a lot (and its successful) and they take a lot of time to get set up and run plays. They needed 10 minutes in OT to drive the length of the field and kick a FG. Its great to control the ball like that, but I think the downside is it keeps bad teams in games. They can't just blow out bad teams. And they've gotten tripped up by that a few times.
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I'd be shocked if the Chargers do any damage, but you could prob get monster odds in Vegas betting them...

Getting off topic - My main point is that the two NFC road teams combined to go 23-9 and the two home teams are 17-14-1/18-13-1...

It's backwards - The NFC East and North winners really played terrible & they don't deserve the home games. That's my only point.

 
fantasycurse42 said:
Riversco said:
fantasycurse42 said:
Riversco said:
Give the Chargers some respect. They are a classic team that plays to the level of their competition. They have victories over the Broncos, Chiefs, Colts, Eagles and Cowboys. I expect them to be dangerous. They can definitely beat the Bengals. The Bengals are not worldbeaters. If they win that, they play the Broncos in Denver and they already beat them there once this year. Suddenly, the Chargers are in the AFC title game.
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The Chargers are a 6 seed... It's fair enough and they have some quality wins (although the Cowboys aren't one of them)... They have to go on the road... They did get lucky today though against a team resting their starters. If he doesn't miss that 40 harder all of the sudden an 8-8 team is the 6 seed.
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The Chargers have more quality wins than any team in the NFL this year. Their problem was dropping games to bad teams like the Texans, Raiders, and Titans. Had they taken care of business against the weaker teams, they wind up with 12 wins. And we saw that trend again today against the Chiefs backups. They just play up to the level of their competition.

I think a big part of that is how slow and methodical their offense is. They run the ball a lot (and its successful) and they take a lot of time to get set up and run plays. They needed 10 minutes in OT to drive the length of the field and kick a FG. Its great to control the ball like that, but I think the downside is it keeps bad teams in games. They can't just blow out bad teams. And they've gotten tripped up by that a few times.
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I'd be shocked if the Chargers do any damage, but you could prob get monster odds in Vegas betting them...

Getting off topic - My main point is that the two NFC road teams combined to go 23-9 and the two home teams are 17-14-1/18-13-1...

It's backwards - The NFC East and North winners really played terrible & they don't deserve the home games. That's my only point.
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And I disagree. The division winners should always trump wild cards, regardless. If you aren't good enough to win your division then you hit the road.

 
Trust me, the Broncos don't want to come out of the tunnel and see the lightning bolts on the other side of the field. They are hoping the Bengals knock them out.

 
fantasycurse42 said:
Pretty simple concept here, an 8-7-1 team shouldn't host a team with 12 wins... They haven't earned that home game and a higher seed. Seattle shouldn't have hosted NO when they went 7-9, why did they have the advantage of a home game when they won the ####tiest conference that year and had a losing record.

This also hurts the higher seed, as they have to play a better team in the Divisional Round.
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Who cares what your record is. If you can't win your division you shouldn't host the first game.

 
Not Sleeping said:
shadyridr said:
I agree the whole seeding thing is kinda silly now. Why should a 12-4 team have to go on the road to face an 8-7-1 division winner. And theyll probably be underdogs going into the game too!
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Has anyone seen an early line on this game yet? I couldn't find one, but I'm assuming it will be Niners by 4 or so.
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Lines are out now. Niners opened as 3-point faves and the line seems to be settling in at 2.5.

Philly is favored by 2.5 at home.

 
SF has a case, but a team that got to play Atl and TB twice doesn't. Also, do we really want NO, which can't play outside in the cold, anywhere near a Super Bowl that is going to be played in NYC. Leave the rule as is. It all works out over the years.

 
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You play your division 6 times. Winning the division matters because it usually reflects how you played those other 3 teams. The wild cards are there to catch those teams that got stuck in a tough division. Not perfect but it works 90% of the time. There's always going to be the outlier years like the 7-9 Seahawks, 8-8 Broncos and 8-7-1 Packers. Since every team doesn't play every other team though, this is the most fair system you could implement. The NBA does it wrong IMO by moving a 4 ahead of a 3.

 
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Riversco said:
Give the Chargers some respect. They are a classic team that plays to the level of their competition. They have victories over the Broncos, Chiefs, Colts, Eagles and Cowboys. I expect them to be dangerous. They can definitely beat the Bengals. The Bengals are not worldbeaters. If they win that, they play the Broncos in Denver and they already beat them there once this year. Suddenly, the Chargers are in the AFC title game.
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How soon they forget. Looking forward to your visit. We've got some nice, windy, freezing rain waiting for you.

 
I don't know the historical data behind this, but if more often than not, the team with the better record ends up hosting the team with the lesser record than it doesn't seem broken. If something like the GB/SF matchup is what happens more often, then something is broken. The whole division winner argument is bull####. The team with the better record more often than not is the better team and should be hosting most of the time. If the current system ensures this more than it doesn't, then it's probably the best we're going to get.

 
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The 9-7 Cardinals made the playoffs in 2008 while the 11-5 Patriots stayed home.

Payback's a b####.
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Exactly. As a Pats fan I hated missing out on the playoffs that year but I have no issue with the system.

 
fantasycurse42 said:
MaxThreshold said:
Aren't you the guy who went ape-#### on some poster, bragging about your life accomplishments and how much money you've made and how you're better than everyone else?
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:goodposting: see skypagers signature - solid contribution as well
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I'm glad you are rolling with it now. You didn't like it at first. :thumbup: I don't even remember what it says, since I have had sigs turned off since before I changed mine.

Also - it's dominant. Dominate is a verb.

 
MoveToSkypager said:
49ers are gonna wipe the Packers off the face of the earth anyway. Not an issue.
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The whole seeding is ####ed, it goes beyond this one game... If SF and Philly win, the 12-4 team gets the much more difficult game going to Seattle (& the 1 seed gets a more difficult game too) then the 10-6 team going to Carolina. Just because 2 of the best 3 teams in a conference play in the same division, they shouldn't be punished. In fact, they should be rewarded for playing such a difficult schedule.

 
fantasycurse42 said:
MoveToSkypager said:
49ers are gonna wipe the Packers off the face of the earth anyway. Not an issue.
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The whole seeding is ####ed, it goes beyond this one game... If SF and Philly win, the 12-4 team gets the much more difficult game going to Seattle (& the 1 seed gets a more difficult game too) then the 10-6 team going to Carolina. Just because 2 of the best 3 teams in a conference play in the same division, they shouldn't be punished. In fact, they should be rewarded for playing such a difficult schedule.
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When you learn the difference between dominate and dominant, you won't sound nearly as whiny.

 
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