NFL QBs Keith Olbermann would take ahead of Favre (1 Viewer)

[dickey moe]

Definitely

1. P. Manning

2. Brady

3. Palmer

4. Brees

5. Hasselbeck

6. Bulger

7. Vick

8. Roethlisburger

9. Rivers

10. Romo

Maybe

1. McNabb

2. McNair

3. Pennington

4. Grossman

5. Eli Manning

6. Vince Young

This guy is getting paid to join Sunday Night Football on NBC?

 

[Tough As Nails]

Seems about right.

Favre threw more uncatchable passes than anybody last year. He is not the same QB he was 5 years ago. At all.

 

[AB in DC]

Are we talking 2007 only? Fantasy football or actual NFL value?

 

[Giggity]

Definitely1. P. Manning2. Brady3. Palmer4. Brees5. Hasselbeck6. Bulger7. Vick8. Roethlisburger9. Rivers10. RomoMaybe1. McNabb2. McNair3. Pennington4. Grossman5. Eli Manning6. Vince YoungThis guy is getting paid to join Sunday Night Football on NBC?

If he meant this year, then that's about right. Favre is QB10-12 in the real NFL.

 

[dparker713]

How exactly is Romo a definite and McNabb a maybe? Its an odd list.

 

[redman]

How exactly is Romo a definite and McNabb a maybe? Its an odd list.

Seems backwards.

 

[bcr8f]

What was the context?

Olberrmann's a good fantasy player. Something's missing here.

 

[Ron_Mexico]

How about taking all of those QBs

on the "definately" list, plus all

the QBs on the maybe list, and add about 10-12 more.

I see Favre as a washed out, bitter QB

who has lost most of his athletic abilities.,

and has become increasingly wreckless

with his decision making during the past few seasons.

 

[Chadstroma]

Definitely

1. P. Manning

2. Brady

3. Palmer

4. Brees

5. Hasselbeck

6. Bulger

7. Vick

8. Roethlisburger

9. Rivers

10. Romo

Maybe

1. McNabb

2. McNair

3. Pennington

4. Grossman

5. Eli Manning

6. Vince Young

This guy is getting paid to join Sunday Night Football on NBC?

Huh? How is he even on the bubble?!

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Favre has been pretty inefficient over the past two years. He's averaged 6.35 yards per attempt, and thrown 38 touchdowns against 47 interceptions. He finished 25th in passer rating last year, which was actually a huge improvement over the previous year.

 

[Slinger]

What was the context?

They were talking about in the context of who you'd want as your starting QB (not FF) for 2007.

 

[Giggity]

How exactly is Romo a definite and McNabb a maybe? Its an odd list.

Seems backwards.

He likes Romo, and McNabb is always hurt.Two FBG experts, Mike Brown and Dodds/Joe also have Romo ahead of McNabb.It's hardly earth shattering.

 

[TheFanatic]

How exactly is Romo a definite and McNabb a maybe? Its an odd list.

Seems backwards.

He likes Romo, and McNabb is always hurt.Two FBG experts, Mike Brown and Dodds/Joe also have Romo ahead of McNabb.It's hardly earth shattering.

Yeah, I can see it. McNAbb is going to be ready for training camp supposedly, but wasn't Culpepper ready for training camp too? I worry about McNabb this year. I've had him on my team since his rookie season, but let him go this year in favor of both Manning and Brees (long story). I worry about what he's got this year....

 

[redman]

How exactly is Romo a definite and McNabb a maybe? Its an odd list.

Seems backwards.

He likes Romo, and McNabb is always hurt.Two FBG experts, Mike Brown and Dodds/Joe also have Romo ahead of McNabb.It's hardly earth shattering.

Yeah, I can see it. McNAbb is going to be ready for training camp supposedly, but wasn't Culpepper ready for training camp too? I worry about McNabb this year. I've had him on my team since his rookie season, but let him go this year in favor of both Manning and Brees (long story). I worry about what he's got this year....

And Romo's started 9 games, and was declining in his last few starts. Again, I don't see it. I'm not bashing Romo at all, but saying that you'd take him ahead of McNabb seems silly.

 

[Giggity]

How exactly is Romo a definite and McNabb a maybe? Its an odd list.

Seems backwards.

He likes Romo, and McNabb is always hurt.Two FBG experts, Mike Brown and Dodds/Joe also have Romo ahead of McNabb.It's hardly earth shattering.

Yeah, I can see it. McNAbb is going to be ready for training camp supposedly, but wasn't Culpepper ready for training camp too? I worry about McNabb this year. I've had him on my team since his rookie season, but let him go this year in favor of both Manning and Brees (long story). I worry about what he's got this year....

And Romo's started 9 games, and was declining in his last few starts. Again, I don't see it. I'm not bashing Romo at all, but saying that you'd take him ahead of McNabb seems silly.

McNabb has failed to finish the year 3 of the last 5 years. It's unclear if he'll be ready for camp. He's now 30. Who would I want to run my team this year? It's close. I'd have a lot of sleepless nights with McNabb, and I can see enough flashes in Romo to have a certain level of comfort.40% of the experts have Romo/McNabb within 4 spots for 2007. FF production doesn’t exactly relate to NFL QB value, but it’s close enough. Calling it "silly" might be a little melodramatic.

 

[aposulli]

I'll bite:

(Real-life for '07...)

Definitly

1. Brady

2. P.Manning

3. Brees

4. Palmer

5. Hasselbeck

Probably

6. Bulger

7. Roethlisberger

8. McNabb

9. Vick

10. Young

11. Romo

Maybe

Lots

 

[Borat]

Seems about right.

It shouldn't come as big news that Favre is now considered a mediocre (at best) quarterback who probably should have retired a few years ago.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

How exactly is Romo a definite and McNabb a maybe? Its an odd list.

Injury cloud for '07?Just sayin'.

 

[dparker713]

How exactly is Romo a definite and McNabb a maybe? Its an odd list.

Seems backwards.

He likes Romo, and McNabb is always hurt.Two FBG experts, Mike Brown and Dodds/Joe also have Romo ahead of McNabb.It's hardly earth shattering.

Maybe for FF, but for real football? Romo has nearly no track record.

 

[dparker713]

My list when considering this year only

Definitely:

Peyton

Brady

Palmer

Brees

McNabb

Vick

Young

Hasselback

Losman

Roethlisberger

Rivers

Maybe:

Cutler

Romo

Kitna

Delhomme

Leinart

Pennington

Smith

Eli

Huard

That doesnt leave all that many I'd automatically want over Favre

 

[kensat30]

I think if Green Bay had ponied up for Javon Walker, these lists would be much, much shorter.

 

[dickey moe]

I think if Green Bay had ponied up for Javon Walker, these lists would be much, much shorter.

Or if they had got Moss.That was Patrick's whole point in his rebuttal to Olbermann. Look at Favre's supporting cast. There's Driver and virtually no one else.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

I think if Green Bay had ponied up for Javon Walker, these lists would be much, much shorter.

Or if they had got Moss.That was Patrick's whole point in his rebuttal to Olbermann. Look at Favre's supporting cast. There's Driver and virtually no one else.

precisely. of course, this level of nuance is lost on the masses who only look at stats and fail to watch game tape. a disproportionate share of favre's "poor throws" have been the result of: a) trying to make something out of nothing because he has no weapons, b) wr's running the wrong routes, or c) being forced to throw because the team is playing from behind.donald driver shouldn't be a #1 option - he's a great #2 or a solid 1a/1b type guy. jennings was injured and not at full speed most of 2006. ahman green has lost more than a step and is no longer the same backfield threat. every other wr on this team during 2005-2006 (with possible exception of koren robinson) frankly should not even be in the nfl. bubba franks is slow and dropped a ton of passes last year. david martin can't stay healthy. the offensive line was quite inexperienced last year.seriously, how can the people on this board accurately evaluate favre's performance, independent of these other factors?

 

[dparker713]

seriously, how can the people on this board accurately evaluate favre's performance, independent of these other factors?

Isn't that what you do everytime someone changes teams?

 

[TheLastDispatch]

How exactly is Romo a definite and McNabb a maybe? Its an odd list.

Seems backwards.

He likes Romo, and McNabb is always hurt.Two FBG experts, Mike Brown and Dodds/Joe also have Romo ahead of McNabb.

It's hardly earth shattering.

Yeah, I can see it. McNAbb is going to be ready for training camp supposedly, but wasn't Culpepper ready for training camp too? I worry about McNabb this year. I've had him on my team since his rookie season, but let him go this year in favor of both Manning and Brees (long story). I worry about what he's got this year....

And Romo's started 9 games, and was declining in his last few starts. Again, I don't see it. I'm not bashing Romo at all, but saying that you'd take him ahead of McNabb seems silly.

McNabb has failed to finish the year 3 of the last 5 years. It's unclear if he'll be ready for camp. He's now 30. Who would I want to run my team this year? It's close. I'd have a lot of sleepless nights with McNabb, and I can see enough flashes in Romo to have a certain level of comfort.40% of the experts have Romo/McNabb within 4 spots for 2007. FF production doesn’t exactly relate to NFL QB value, but it’s close enough. Calling it "silly" might be a little melodramatic.

Hardly. McNabb is an all-pro stud. Romo has a hard time holding a ball for his kicker.There's absolutely no comparison between the two IMO.

 

[Despyzer]

I'll bite:

(Real-life for '07...)

Definitly

1. Brady

2. P.Manning

3. Brees

4. Palmer

5. Hasselbeck

Probably

6. Bulger

7. Roethlisberger

8. McNabb

9. Vick

10. Young

11. Romo

Maybe

Lots

You forgot someone - rhymes with Slivers (led his team to a 5 game improvement over the guy who is #3 on your list).

 

[PadresLakers]

Favre is at best an average NFL quarterback at this point

 

[Jiggyonthehut]

Funny how Leftwich doesn't even appear in this thread yet but a career backup in Huard does.

People are in for a shocker in 2007. Lefty finishes in the top-15 QB's and makes a play for top-10

 

[PadresLakers]

I think if Green Bay had ponied up for Javon Walker, these lists would be much, much shorter.

Or if they had got Moss.That was Patrick's whole point in his rebuttal to Olbermann. Look at Favre's supporting cast. There's Driver and virtually no one else.

precisely. of course, this level of nuance is lost on the masses who only look at stats and fail to watch game tape. a disproportionate share of favre's "poor throws" have been the result of: a) trying to make something out of nothing because he has no weapons, b) wr's running the wrong routes, or c) being forced to throw because the team is playing from behind.donald driver shouldn't be a #1 option - he's a great #2 or a solid 1a/1b type guy. jennings was injured and not at full speed most of 2006. ahman green has lost more than a step and is no longer the same backfield threat. every other wr on this team during 2005-2006 (with possible exception of koren robinson) frankly should not even be in the nfl. bubba franks is slow and dropped a ton of passes last year. david martin can't stay healthy. the offensive line was quite inexperienced last year.seriously, how can the people on this board accurately evaluate favre's performance, independent of these other factors?

All of those above factors are not exclusive to Favre. I don't see anyone taking away from his touchdown total when one of his deep gambling passes hits the reciever in stride instead of getting picked off.Not to mention he is pretty much equally mediocre last year with the lead as he was he was from behind CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT Ahead 132 240 1518 55.0 6.33 68 7 5 5.0 75.3 Behind 158 290 1717 54.5 5.92 82 7 12 12.0 63.0

 

[Borat]

Funny how Leftwich doesn't even appear in this thread yet but a career backup in Huard does.

People are in for a shocker in 2007. Lefty finishes in the top-15 QB's and makes a play for top-10

Top 15? You're really sticking your neck out there.

 

[Jiggyonthehut]

Funny how Leftwich doesn't even appear in this thread yet but a career backup in Huard does.

People are in for a shocker in 2007. Lefty finishes in the top-15 QB's and makes a play for top-10

Top 15? You're really sticking your neck out there.

Yes, actually I am. Considering that none of the 16 staffers have him in that range, highest ranking is 17 and lowest is 31- I'd say its pretty against the grain so to speak. I'm not trying to be LHUCKS here.

 

[Despyzer]

Funny how Leftwich doesn't even appear in this thread yet but a career backup in Huard does.

People are in for a shocker in 2007. Lefty finishes in the top-15 QB's and makes a play for top-10

Top 15? You're really sticking your neck out there.

Personally, I was gonna say Top 32, but I didn't want to go crazy.

 

[BigRed]

Olbermann is back into football?

:throwupinmymouth:

 

[Perfect Tommy]

Brett Favre is no longer the QB he once was. But still, at this point in his career, I would take only Peyton Manning ahead of him. Tom Brady is a maybe. Other than that, people are just talking about overall passing offenses. Favre is one of the greatest players to ever play the game. With the O-line more experienced this year, and Jennings hopefully at full strength and a year older, I fully expect Favre to put up numbers like we know he is capable of. An unprecedented 4th MVP is not out of the question.

 

[Borat]

Brett Favre is no longer the QB he once was. But still, at this point in his career, I would take only Peyton Manning ahead of him. Tom Brady is a maybe. Other than that, people are just talking about overall passing offenses. Favre is one of the greatest players to ever play the game. With the O-line more experienced this year, and Jennings hopefully at full strength and a year older, I fully expect Favre to put up numbers like we know he is capable of. An unprecedented 4th MVP is not out of the question.

 

[simey]

My list when considering this year onlyDefinitelyeytonBradyPalmerBreesMcNabbVickYoungHasselbackLosmanRoethlisbergerRiversMaybe:CutlerRomoKitnaDelhommeLeinartPenningtonSmithEliHuardThat doesnt leave all that many I'd automatically want over Favre

You don't like Bulger?

 

[PadresLakers]

Brett Favre is no longer the QB he once was. But still, at this point in his career, I would take only Peyton Manning ahead of him. Tom Brady is a maybe. Other than that, people are just talking about overall passing offenses. Favre is one of the greatest players to ever play the game. With the O-line more experienced this year, and Jennings hopefully at full strength and a year older, I fully expect Favre to put up numbers like we know he is capable of. An unprecedented 4th MVP is not out of the question.

 

[dparker713]

My list when considering this year onlyDefinitelyeytonBradyPalmerBreesMcNabbVickYoungHasselbackLosmanRoethlisbergerRiversMaybe:CutlerRomoKitnaDelhommeLeinartPenningtonSmithEliHuardThat doesnt leave all that many I'd automatically want over Favre

You don't like Bulger?

oops, he's a definite.

 

[Despyzer]

An unprecedented 4th MVP is not out of the question.

Are ya sure?

 

[PatsWillWin]

Brett Favre is no longer the QB he once was. But still, at this point in his career, I would take only Peyton Manning ahead of him. Tom Brady is a maybe. Other than that, people are just talking about overall passing offenses. Favre is one of the greatest players to ever play the game. With the O-line more experienced this year, and Jennings hopefully at full strength and a year older, I fully expect Favre to put up numbers like we know he is capable of. An unprecedented 4th MVP is not out of the question.

 

[Perfect Tommy]

Brett Favre is no longer the QB he once was. But still, at this point in his career, I would take only Peyton Manning ahead of him. Tom Brady is a maybe. Other than that, people are just talking about overall passing offenses. Favre is one of the greatest players to ever play the game. With the O-line more experienced this year, and Jennings hopefully at full strength and a year older, I fully expect Favre to put up numbers like we know he is capable of. An unprecedented 4th MVP is not out of the question.

With all due respect, have you watched him play? He has his mobility back after a few years of getting out of shape. Favre is an extremely elusive QB. The defensive pass rushers never seem to catch on to that little circle to the left he always uses. He is durable and tough. He still has the rocket arm. He has possibly the deepest understanding of the game of any QB in the league (Peyton excluded). He has made bad decisions when coming back from behind, but that is only because he is trying to win the game, not pad his stats. Now, with the defense GB has put together he will not be forced to enter a shootout with subpar WRs. If Jennings can emerge as a very good WR, they will have enough pieces in place for Favre to work his magic.

 

[Despyzer]

He has made bad decisions when coming back from behind, but that is only because he is trying to win the game, not pad his stats.

This much I agree with and applaud him for.

 

[DeCleater]

If you want to talk about bitter washed-up has beens, Keith Olbermann is your man.

I just read the book "ESPN: The uncensored history" and EVERYONE hated Olbermann. He was and is the consumate jerk. If he is on NBC I will not be watching. Olbermann is a sad waste of flesh.

 

[Da Guru]

Definitely1. P. Manning2. Brady3. Palmer4. Brees5. Hasselbeck6. Bulger7. Vick8. Roethlisburger9. Rivers10. RomoMaybe1. McNabb2. McNair3. Pennington4. Grossman5. Eli Manning6. Vince YoungThis guy is getting paid to join Sunday Night Football on NBC?

I would take the for sures over Favre.McNabb when healthy too. McNair? Steve has seen his better days.

 

[Da Guru]

If you want to talk about bitter washed-up has beens, Keith Olbermann is your man.I just read the book "ESPN: The uncensored history" and EVERYONE hated Olbermann. He was and is the consumate jerk. If he is on NBC I will not be watching. Olbermann is a sad waste of flesh.

You forgot to add "bitter, full of himself has been"

 

[radiohead417]

Funny how Leftwich doesn't even appear in this thread yet but a career backup in Huard does. People are in for a shocker in 2007. Lefty finishes in the top-15 QB's and makes a play for top-10

 

[redman]

If you want to talk about bitter washed-up has beens, Keith Olbermann is your man.I just read the book "ESPN: The uncensored history" and EVERYONE hated Olbermann. He was and is the consumate jerk. If he is on NBC I will not be watching. Olbermann is a sad waste of flesh.

I don't understand how you could hate someone who is as humble and self-effacing, and carries himself with as much grace as Keith Olbermann does.

 

[sho nuff]

I think if Green Bay had ponied up for Javon Walker, these lists would be much, much shorter.

Or if they had got Moss.That was Patrick's whole point in his rebuttal to Olbermann. Look at Favre's supporting cast. There's Driver and virtually no one else.

Patrick went too far though...stating he did not think Manning could have done better than the 8-8...or even got to 8-8 with that Packer team.Sorry, I don't think Manning would have blown the NO game, or St. Louis game, or the Buffalo game.They won their last 4 games...but Favre threw 2X as many INTs as TDs in those 4 games.And anyone putting Vick on their list above Favre for this year? You realize he will most likely be suspended don't you?

 

[sho nuff]

I think if Green Bay had ponied up for Javon Walker, these lists would be much, much shorter.

Or if they had got Moss.That was Patrick's whole point in his rebuttal to Olbermann. Look at Favre's supporting cast. There's Driver and virtually no one else.

precisely. of course, this level of nuance is lost on the masses who only look at stats and fail to watch game tape. a disproportionate share of favre's "poor throws" have been the result of: a) trying to make something out of nothing because he has no weapons, b) wr's running the wrong routes, or c) being forced to throw because the team is playing from behind.donald driver shouldn't be a #1 option - he's a great #2 or a solid 1a/1b type guy. jennings was injured and not at full speed most of 2006. ahman green has lost more than a step and is no longer the same backfield threat. every other wr on this team during 2005-2006 (with possible exception of koren robinson) frankly should not even be in the nfl. bubba franks is slow and dropped a ton of passes last year. david martin can't stay healthy. the offensive line was quite inexperienced last year.seriously, how can the people on this board accurately evaluate favre's performance, independent of these other factors?

Donald Driver has proven he is a #1 option in this league.The line ranked 3rd in pass protection last year (based on football outsiders rankings).I can evaluate that he blew some games and made some very poor throws. And take into consideration those factors.And I am a Packer fan and a big fan of Favre.I thought he played better last year than he did in 2005. He seemed more control for the most part...but still made quite a few lapses in judgement.He is a middle of the road QB at this point in his career and probably only has a year, maybe 2, left.

 

[Banger]

Funny how Leftwich doesn't even appear in this thread yet but a career backup in Huard does. People are in for a shocker in 2007. Lefty finishes in the top-15 QB's and makes a play for top-10

I like Lefty as a QB but I don't like Del Rio's philosophy or their wr's. Del Rio is happy to run all day long and play solid defense and win every game 10-6. He has way too many 205-1-1 stat lines for my liking.