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NFLDraftGuys: Andy Dufresne's Mock First/Stand-Up Act (1 Viewer)
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LHUCKS
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JohnnyU
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You mean ADP.Two QBs going top 4 is AZ's dream scenario.I can't see AD sliding to #7.
Cecil Lammey
Footballguy
great work! 
John Maddens Lunchbox
Footballguy
Blackjacks
Footballguy
Not that I disagree with your pick for the Rams but it will be hard for them to pass on Patrick Willis.
I do agree that we could use a stud DT but with Kennedy and Glover we are still descent.
If the Rams pick Willis we could move Witherspoon to outside LB (where he should be) and we make the D much stronger.
Like I said I don't disagree with your pick but as a Rams fan I'd rather see Willis.
Nice Mock
I do agree that we could use a stud DT but with Kennedy and Glover we are still descent.
If the Rams pick Willis we could move Witherspoon to outside LB (where he should be) and we make the D much stronger.
Like I said I don't disagree with your pick but as a Rams fan I'd rather see Willis.
Nice Mock
pantherclub
Footballguy
If Levi Brown lasts to around 8-9 then look for the Panthers to move up to tag him.
Arsenal of Doom
Footballguy
Too many Jasons around here.
Oh yeah, and nice mock. Peterson to the Vikings is a dream for anyone holding the first pick in rookie drafts, as well as Vikings fans I would assume.
Oh yeah, and nice mock. Peterson to the Vikings is a dream for anyone holding the first pick in rookie drafts, as well as Vikings fans I would assume.
bostonfred
Footballguy
This mock highlights the most important thing this year - this whole draft hinges on what Oakland does. FWIW, I honestly don't think the Patriots will take a linebacker in the first. They seem to greatly prefer veterans there, and they have other needs.
crimsonrebel
Footballguy
Thats an awful lot of DT's in the first round (5). I'm not sure the class is quite that deep this year. Ah well, thats better than 5 qbs.
Mole
Footballguy
Good the Jets could use one, ;pOverall nice read, gotta love this time of yearThanks
Rovers
Footballguy
Yes, the Jets need a CB..... and I've said this before... Dyson played very well last year, and Poteat isn't the other starting CB. Might want to change that to Dyson/Barrett if you want to be unbiased here. Noting Poteat as the starting CB across from Dyson doesn't reflect the facts, as Poteat did start a few games but only when Barrett was injured, and was then given limited playing time with Miller and Coleman (Drew Coleman).
So, I don't disagree with the Jets pick at all, it could well be a CB, but the commentary is a bit misleading. Barrett was nursing a hernia, and Dyson tried to go in the playoff game against NE, but his knee wasn't up to it. So, we saw much more of Poteat than was in the plan, but he isn't a starting CB.
I'll say this, it's an "outside the box" mock, which is always interesting to study. There will always be a surprise pick or two, but I see about 5 surprise picks here, and that might be a bit much, but nice job. I have to believe that Cleveland will go Peterson, or they would have kept Droughns. Jamal Lewis only got a one year contract. I'll be VERY surprised if they don't go AP and hope Stanton is there in the second round. Crennel HAS to win a few more games or he's history. All the more reason to take Peterson.
Timmons to the Giants.... hmmmm. I think they will go CB in the first if one of the top three fall to them, and look for an LB in the second. I also have a hunch that this is where Cato June may end up, with the G men. Naturally, any FA signing impacts any mock, and that's pure conjecture on my part. Mitchell could also possibly land with the Giants. Call it a hunch, but I say CB in the first, and LB in the second and an FA LB to round out the LB corp.
So, I don't disagree with the Jets pick at all, it could well be a CB, but the commentary is a bit misleading. Barrett was nursing a hernia, and Dyson tried to go in the playoff game against NE, but his knee wasn't up to it. So, we saw much more of Poteat than was in the plan, but he isn't a starting CB.
I'll say this, it's an "outside the box" mock, which is always interesting to study. There will always be a surprise pick or two, but I see about 5 surprise picks here, and that might be a bit much, but nice job. I have to believe that Cleveland will go Peterson, or they would have kept Droughns. Jamal Lewis only got a one year contract. I'll be VERY surprised if they don't go AP and hope Stanton is there in the second round. Crennel HAS to win a few more games or he's history. All the more reason to take Peterson.
Timmons to the Giants.... hmmmm. I think they will go CB in the first if one of the top three fall to them, and look for an LB in the second. I also have a hunch that this is where Cato June may end up, with the G men. Naturally, any FA signing impacts any mock, and that's pure conjecture on my part. Mitchell could also possibly land with the Giants. Call it a hunch, but I say CB in the first, and LB in the second and an FA LB to round out the LB corp.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
It was a strong consideration, but I guess I'm holding out hope that one of my favorite players from last year's draft, Jon Alston, gets a chance.
I agree, but I think he's the guy that gives Favre the most instant impact for one last run.
But the position is so thin. Too bad they couldn't hold on to Banta-Cain.
Carriker is either a DT or DE depending on scheme. And there were a few different directions to go with Chicago, so I just threw a dart at a board.
Vikes Fan
Footballguy
Andy is and always will be Andy to me, right Jason?
Thanks for the heads up - we've edited it.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
It was tough choosing between CB and LB.
rabidfireweasel
Footballguy
If NE thought much of Banta-Cain, he would not have been sent to bench in the AFC championship game. He lacked versatility. I am a NE fan, but I don't even pretend to guess who they might draft. The last time I was right was Ty Warren.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Good info, thanks!
I agree that Peterson is the soup du-jour, but it's easier to find a good runner than it is a franchise QB.
Kub
Footballguy
I appreciate the amount of thought put into this mock, but I just have a hard time seeing the Raiders going with Quinn at 1.01. Right or wrong, the only QB I see them taking at that spot is Russell. I could also see them taking Johnson or Thomas, or trading out of the spot altogether.
bostonfred
Footballguy
I can buy that. And the way this offseason has gone for them, very little would surprise me. I suppose it depends on Hartwell, Bruschi and Seau. It could end up being a fairly deep (but old) position where they're just cycling younger players through, or they might be struggling to field a good starting four.
bostonfred
Footballguy
Was that performance related or was he one of the guys who caught the flu before the game? I didn't follow that very closely.
Boston
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I'm really beginning to believe the Pats LBs will always be a veteran group with a low round pick in the mix with the hope they get lucky. The expectations BB has at LB with regard to size, versatility and comfort in the 3-4 just doesn't lend itself to college kids (BB has never used a day one pick on a LB with the Pats). That being said anything is possible because you never know what the Pats will do. If they sign Hartwell it would probably decrease the liklihood of a LB going early.
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Boston
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Banta-Cain's strength is pass rushing. He was struggling in coverage and against the run. Against Indy they wanted to keep Vrabel on the outside and use Alexander's speed in coverage...obviously we know how that worked out.Tully is a good role player because what his strength is will always be valuable. He can also play two positions. Yet, overall I see him being like a lefthanded reliever. He'll always have a job and he'll be helpful but he will be more specialist than every down player because he has his limitations.
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Very true about them preferring vets for BBs system and the current age and turnover. People have had them moving up to draft a Safety or WR etc and have you seen Patrick Willis highlights and articles yet?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IqadSMQm5o
I wish they'd consider him the exception to that rule. He could run the D for the next 8 years or so...that's worth trading up for and.....I wish
Nice work Andy/Jason.I don't necessarily agree with some like Peterson falling so much BUT you explained your reasonning well so everything just sorta flows thru the page for me. Had you not explained I'd be talking to the monitor "no way he falls that far" "you think they'll take him?" etc and it's not that enjoyable pausing all the time. Seems minor but to me it's not. I wish alot more mock draft writers learned how to do that.
Really well done,
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
Nice job Andy!
rabidfireweasel
Footballguy
I read that they moved Vrabel to the outside to better control the edge and put Alexander in the midle to get more speed on the field. Alexander played safety in college and is small for a NE backer at 6'2 235ish. Alexander is decent depth but not a good starter- yet. He had 10 tackles but Addai often plowed into him and gained yards after contact and he gave up the deep pass to fletcher by not getting deep enough fast enough. Because of this, I wouldn't be shocked to see NE get a LB earlier than the have in the BB era (first day.) As soon as you feel like you have a read on NE- they don't need a TE, DLine, draft a LB on the first day- they tend to do that very think. No one saw Garrett Mills coming after drafting Thomas. Most people didn't see Thomas when coming (although they understood it when they remember Graham would be a FA)in the third.Edit- Nice job Andy. Thoughtful and well stated.
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Jason Wood
Zoo York
Well written Jason...I don't think there's a snowball's chance the Eagles draft Meachem, but I wouldn't mind being proven wrong particularly if Willis is long gone as he probably will be.
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
excellent, excellent write up, andy/jason (can we just legally change your name to andy... i can't wrap my mind around another name)... outstanding...
in PIT section, you mentioned they & DAL were hardest to mock due to no glaring holes... i would submit that in recent years the FS position was a hole as big as the asteroid that struck the yucatan peninsula & caused the dinosaurs to go extinct... of course, there are rumblings that anthony henry could get shunted to FS, & he is reportedly OK with the move if it helps... but than THAT would leave a glaring hole at CB (aaron glenn is probably at best a nickle at this point...
also their WRs make jack la lane look like a young pup... but they are admittedly playing at a high level still, & maybe it can be put off a year... or two... or until TO implodes (october?)...
i forget who DAL LG is... columbo re-signed & that means newly acquired leonard davis is a lock to play RG (rivera could be on the bubble coming off i think his second back surgery in as many years?)... gurode is coming along at center, & flozell adams is above average when healthy... with davis & another big ugly at other guard, that could be approaching 700 lbs of beef at two guard positions... JJ & MBIII could look even better in 07...
keep up the great work...
in PIT section, you mentioned they & DAL were hardest to mock due to no glaring holes... i would submit that in recent years the FS position was a hole as big as the asteroid that struck the yucatan peninsula & caused the dinosaurs to go extinct... of course, there are rumblings that anthony henry could get shunted to FS, & he is reportedly OK with the move if it helps... but than THAT would leave a glaring hole at CB (aaron glenn is probably at best a nickle at this point...
also their WRs make jack la lane look like a young pup... but they are admittedly playing at a high level still, & maybe it can be put off a year... or two... or until TO implodes (october?)...
i forget who DAL LG is... columbo re-signed & that means newly acquired leonard davis is a lock to play RG (rivera could be on the bubble coming off i think his second back surgery in as many years?)... gurode is coming along at center, & flozell adams is above average when healthy... with davis & another big ugly at other guard, that could be approaching 700 lbs of beef at two guard positions... JJ & MBIII could look even better in 07...
keep up the great work...
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Well. It was valid when I finished it on Friday!And I'd have a better chance of predicting when Jesus is coming back than who the Patriots are going to draft.
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bostonfred
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It'd be pretty sweet if the Pats drafted Jesus.
bostonfred
Footballguy
I know they have two firsts, but the Pats couldn't draft Jesus to be a backup QB.
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
he threw a hail mary like nobody's business...
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Considering Belichick and Tom Brady are already on the team, wouldn't that simply complete The Trinity?
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nice work AD...quick question
Did OT Joe Staley-CMich really grade out to 1st round material, or is this more of a "need" vs "BPA" selection? The reason I ask is that Ozzie is all about BPA, but there are more than a couple of us very concerned about ROT...
...thanx, I'll hang up and listen to your response!
Did OT Joe Staley-CMich really grade out to 1st round material, or is this more of a "need" vs "BPA" selection? The reason I ask is that Ozzie is all about BPA, but there are more than a couple of us very concerned about ROT...
...thanx, I'll hang up and listen to your response!
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Good mock Andy. I like the Green Bay pick but I really don't see how they can pass on Ted Ginn Jr. This offense basically has one proven playmaker on it and the team also has a workmanlike special teams at best. A guy like Ginn will challenge Greg Jennings and add a returner.
Otherwise I like the pick of Olsen.
Otherwise I like the pick of Olsen.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
From what I can gather, yes he did. He doesn't sound like the big mauler that a guy like Levi Brown is, but he is quicker in the feet, which is huge considering the amount of speed rushers currently in the league.There are other guys (Chaos Commish, Bloom, Wood) that are better at player evaluations than I. My "talent" (and I use that word very loosely) is to research what I think a team's biggest need is, and then guess if they'll use their first rounder to fill that need or go Best Player Available.nice work AD...quick questionDid OT Joe Staley-CMich really grade out to 1st round material, or is this more of a "need" vs "BPA" selection? The reason I ask is that Ozzie is all about BPA, but there are more than a couple of us very concerned about ROT......thanx, I'll hang up and listen to your response!
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I also liked Ginn to go to the Packers. But Jennings looked like he was going to battle it out with Colston for wrROY, and the Pack have nobody behind Franks, which to me means they don't have a TE at all.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
It just felt like the wrong spot to go defense. They've invested quite a bit on the d-line, and the value didn't seem there at linebacker. Their offensive line, particularly the interior, is outstanding. With losing Stallworth, and the other WRs looking soooo mediocre, the best bet seemed like a WR.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I can't remember the last time I saw a team draft a first round FS. Of course, my memory may be not that great in this instance. And I'm thinking they may give Pat Watkins a chance to improve on his shaky rookie year.
Their WR situation isn't as dire as it seems as both Crayton (especially) and Hurd have shown flashes.
It slipped my mind that they'd broken the bank for Davis. Had I remembered that, I probably would have gone different way than Blalock. But at the same time, it never hurts to have good depth and there isn't much of that in Dallas. And both Blalock and Davis can play either position on the right side, so there's some good flexibility there.The Cowboys are an interesting team. They're either on the verge of putting it together, or imploding. If I hadn't gone with Blalock, I'd have probably given them an OLB - someone like Jarvis Moss or Anthony Spencer.
nygiants56
Footballguy
good work!just wanted to know your reasoning behind the following predictions:why Quinn and not Russell to Oakland, and why would Minnesota go for yet another RB, when they have 120 of them on their current roster, including Taylor with his mega contract. I understand Peterson is a very talented player, but do they really need another ( injury prone) RB?
Titus Pullo
Footballguy
TE is definitely a need. I could see TT trading down a few spots and grabbing Olsen. Staying at #16 and taking him there just seems a bit too early for my liking.
