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NFLDraftGuys Top 25 WR (1 Viewer)
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bigreese82
Footballguy
Nice to see my "home boy" make the "worth mentioning" list..Mike Mason
Kleck.
Footballguy
The Bloomburg Report gets sweeter and sweeter by the day.P.S.I'm not sure if this is healthy or not but I'm starting to develop this "Cable Guy" feeling toward you.
Another solid write-up Bloom. 
I talked to Tom Helper, founder of Ourlads, at the draft last year, and while we were debating Mike Hass vs. Jason Avant, a "fan" of his came up and said hi. After he left, Hepler told me that the guy actually came to his house a few years back when the draft guides were late getting out in the mail.You're not in Austin, are you?The Bloomburg Report gets sweeter and sweeter by the day.
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LHUCKS
Footballguy
I'm not a huge fan of Rice at the next level...dare I say "Pinkston." Rail thin WRs scare the hell out of me. Also, you use the comparison of Chambers, but Chambers was a physical WR in college who is also substantially shorter...I don't see it.
I would definitely rank him behind Meachem, Ginn, Bowe and Jarrett.
I would definitely rank him behind Meachem, Ginn, Bowe and Jarrett.
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ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
Who says we don't agree on anything.
Rice needs to bulk up a bit and get tougher, but he's far from rail thin.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
To each his own. I edited my original post to add that I don't like the Chambers comparison.Other than that I agree with a lot that you have to say.
#16 mentions second day WRs.
I hope the Pats take the New Hampshire guy, David Ball. Really 17-22 would be fine by me.
Bloom I must've heard 1000 times how this is a deep WR class. If you're a GM sitting back and waiting patiently for a later WR pick and not being part of the early rush, which few would you target?
I hope the Pats take the New Hampshire guy, David Ball. Really 17-22 would be fine by me.
Bloom I must've heard 1000 times how this is a deep WR class. If you're a GM sitting back and waiting patiently for a later WR pick and not being part of the early rush, which few would you target?
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beto
Footballguy
This is a very interesting and exciting WR class. 2-6 being the guys with the most on the line. 7-11 also have a lot of potential money to make in late April. 12-40 has some outstanding sleeper prospects for dynasty.
I would be very interested in hearing the Audible/Draftguys crew break down game tape, a la the RBs.
I would be very interested in hearing the Audible/Draftguys crew break down game tape, a la the RBs.
The Chambers comparison is based Chambers doing most of his damage on jumpballs and plays that require ridiculous concentration. Rice does have a different body type, and lacks Chambers speed and grit. Comparisons are very inexact and that's why I qualify most of mine.To each his own. I edited my original post to add that I don't like the Chambers comparison.Other than that I agree with a lot that you have to say.
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beto
Footballguy
Rice is so much taller than Chambers it struck me as a weird compare as well.To each his own. I edited my original post to add that I don't like the Chambers comparison.Other than that I agree with a lot that you have to say.
AhhI saw an Avant comparison too. You're not looking to make friends with these prospects are you?
LHUCKS
Footballguy
gotchaThe Chambers comparison is based Chambers doing most of his damage on jumpballs and plays that require ridiculous concentration. Rice does have a different body type, and lacks Chambers speed and grit. Comparisons are very inexact and that's why I qualify most of mine.To each his own. I edited my original post to add that I don't like the Chambers comparison.Other than that I agree with a lot that you have to say.
EBF
Footballguy
You're on a bit of an island regarding Rice. A lot of people don't even have him in their top 5.
I think Ted Ginn will be a better NFL player than FF player.
Dwayne Bowe is probably my WR2 at this point. He might not have as much upside as some of these guys, but he seems to have all the physical tools and football skills needed to be productive. One of the things I've learned about drafting rookies is that it's often best to go for the guy with the highest downside instead of the guy with the highest upside (Mark Clayton vs. Matt Jones, Greg Jennings vs. Chad Jackson).
I don't think Derrick Mason is a great comparison for Steve Smith. Mason was more of a catch-and-run guy, whereas Smith is more of a technician like Torry Holt (although obviously not as good).
I don't see a huge gap between WR3-4 and WR10 in this class. If I were looking at WRs for my team, I'd probably trade down and try to get an extra early pick. This might be the deepest WR class in the past 6-7 years. And while these guys won't all pan out, the top 11-13 receivers on your list all have a chance to become productive NFL starters.
I think Ted Ginn will be a better NFL player than FF player.
Dwayne Bowe is probably my WR2 at this point. He might not have as much upside as some of these guys, but he seems to have all the physical tools and football skills needed to be productive. One of the things I've learned about drafting rookies is that it's often best to go for the guy with the highest downside instead of the guy with the highest upside (Mark Clayton vs. Matt Jones, Greg Jennings vs. Chad Jackson).
I don't think Derrick Mason is a great comparison for Steve Smith. Mason was more of a catch-and-run guy, whereas Smith is more of a technician like Torry Holt (although obviously not as good).
I don't see a huge gap between WR3-4 and WR10 in this class. If I were looking at WRs for my team, I'd probably trade down and try to get an extra early pick. This might be the deepest WR class in the past 6-7 years. And while these guys won't all pan out, the top 11-13 receivers on your list all have a chance to become productive NFL starters.
EBF
Footballguy
He's a great athlete, but that doesn't make him a great receiver. He'll be drafted high, but a lot of his value lies in his returning abilities. A lot of people say he's more Dante Hall than Steve Smith in terms of future production.
Maurice Price and Laurent Robinson seem to have limitless physical potential and just dominated on the field. David Ball is not the physical specimen they are, but he's just as productive. All of them would work well in quick strike/WCO type offenses. We have felt Ball is a "New England" kind of guy from day one.James Jones and Mike Walker are good guys for teams that will need their WRs to bang and operate in traffic and tight spaces.
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LHUCKS
Footballguy
I was actually impressed with his WR ability this year. I wonder what I'm missing.Route Running decent, not amazingDidn't seem to drop a lot of ballsNot afraid to go over the middleBlazing speed and quicknessI don't think he appears like a fluid WR, but that doesn't bother me...guys like Anquan Boldin just go out there and make plays...and are tough as nails to boot.
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BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
Not yet.But I can meet you at Medieval TimesI talked to Tom Helper, founder of Ourlads, at the draft last year, and while we were debating Mike Hass vs. Jason Avant, a "fan" of his came up and said hi. After he left, Hepler told me that the guy actually came to his house a few years back when the draft guides were late getting out in the mail.You're not in Austin, are you?The Bloomburg Report gets sweeter and sweeter by the day.P.S.I'm not sure if this is healthy or not but I'm starting to develop this "Cable Guy" feeling toward you.
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Chip Douglas
I'm a sucker for guys that consistently make plays that few others could make. I acknowledge that Meachem, Bowe and Ginn are all better NFL draft investments than Rice, I just prefer the player that already does stuff you can't teach - remember, he's only been playing college football for two years. I think there's some serious latent potential there (not that there isn't with Ginn too)
I struggled with the Smith compare. I didn't want to go with a classic sure-handed technician (say Engram or Proehl) because he flashed some good speed at the combine. I picked Mason because I see Smith similarly getting open instinctively and ending up being a prominent target despite having no clear advantage on DBs physically. You're right about Smith not comparing in the RAC category.
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interesting.
His route running needs a lot of work. He can get behind a defense, but lacks the killer instinct to always go for the jugular on touches that set him up to work in space. He's going to get eaten alive by the jam and will likely need to be in motion a lot to get clean releases (at least at first). The hands are ok. Not a liability, but not a plus either. His straight line speed is very very rare and the commodity he brings to the table, but he is far from being able to do much beyond stretch the field and threaten the D with RAC on screen passes and quick hitters.All that aside, his exceptional return ability may still make him the second WR off the board in April.
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Difference is boldin is 6'1, 223 while ginn is 5'11, 180
LHUCKS
Footballguy
I wasn't comparing their body type, more their WR style...the way they look running routes. Boldin will never be a great route runner.
The point I'm trying to make is you like both wrs because of their toughness but boldin is built for playing tough and dealing with NFL defenders while ginn is rather small to be able to do that.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
Okay...we're talking about two separate things. Few WRs can play WR like Boldin does. Ginn reminds me of him because they are both unpolished, but get the job done...they wont be getting the job done in the same manner though, I agree.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
If he was 6'2, 220lbs he would be. I think people are worried about the size more than anything else.Okay I see what you're saying now. I'm not as high on ginn as you are but I see him as a top five wr. My only concern is his build and worries that he's just a speed guy trying to play wr ala' troy williamson
Jiggyonthehut
Footballguy
Don't agree here. Rice has a very lanky frame at 6'3 200, especially for a touted #1 who will have to go up against physical DB's. Far too often have we seen receivers with plenty of talent (see Matt Jones, Demetrius Williams, etc.) struggle because they weren't physical enough to break the jam at the LOS. That will have to be an issue to consider when drafting Rice, as his frame is nearly identical to that of Williams and has not developed his technique as much as he could have.That, inherently, poses a problem to his potential FF value. He's got great size, adequate speed, and is aggressive and focused enough to get the ball at its highest point. Route running isn't his strong suit but was never required to do so perfectly in Spurrier's offense. But how will he transition to the NFL? Will corners devour him in that 5-yard zone? That seems to be the only question as of now, because he has shown he has the speed and size to get seperation.That being said, I totally can understand your ranking him as the #2 FF prospect- but only in a long term scenario. He's got a ton of potential but physicality is also a requisite in the NFL. While I see his rookie season as more of a Demetrius Williams type- solid but underachieving, if he learns the nuances of the position, he can blossom into a monster threat. His downside, however, is that he can easily bust. Player Comparison- Keenan McCardell, Demetrius Williams
I can go with lanky, but not "rail thin". Rail thin implies slight and being pushed around with ease. Rice isn't slight, but he is long-limbed, and doesn't relish battling through the jam.Long term is absolutely the view here, especially because these guys don't have teams yet. The draft will shake up these rankings big time.Williams is a terrific comparison and the one Rob Rang chose.
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B. Nugget
Footballguy
It's funny that most of you guys seem to think that Rice is a string bean, because when I saw him weigh in at the combine I thought he looked like Randy Moss from the waist down, but the upper body looked much more like TO/Boldin. I'd venture to say his triceps are bigger than most FBGs arms!
CJ gets a pass for Ball as his QB, but Rice had Seville Newton convert from WR to QB mid-season when Blake Mitchell got suspended. Put either of those guys with a top tier QB and you will see what they can really do! CJ has the hype and will no doubt be a stud, but I've been watching Rice for the past 2 seasons and I agree with Bloom that he is worthy of WR2 if he goes to the right situation. Bowe and Meachem are right there too and after CJ it really is personal preference, but for people to not have him in their top 5 is laughable.
Just my $.02
CJ gets a pass for Ball as his QB, but Rice had Seville Newton convert from WR to QB mid-season when Blake Mitchell got suspended. Put either of those guys with a top tier QB and you will see what they can really do! CJ has the hype and will no doubt be a stud, but I've been watching Rice for the past 2 seasons and I agree with Bloom that he is worthy of WR2 if he goes to the right situation. Bowe and Meachem are right there too and after CJ it really is personal preference, but for people to not have him in their top 5 is laughable.
Just my $.02
LHUCKS
Footballguy
That's interesting, he looke pretty thin to me on the field, but I don't recall his weigh in.
He has a thick frame and could play TE if he added 20 lbs. He reportedly balked at the suggestion at his pro day.
pgreenfan
Footballguy
Colston type of frame?
RonnieBrown23
Footballguy
Anthony Gonzalez anyone?
Every time I watched a Buckeyes game he was making big plays....part of that contributes to the attention Ginn received but I liken Gonzalez to Reggie Wayne.
Wayne had Santana Moss to keep defenses honest at Miami, and I can see Gonzalez as a #2 NFL WR like Wayne but a more than solid fantasy option if he ends up in a good WC or spread offense.
I personally like the 2nd tier WR's better and have traded down in my dynasty leagues to target these guys instead of the Ginn's and Meachem's
Every time I watched a Buckeyes game he was making big plays....part of that contributes to the attention Ginn received but I liken Gonzalez to Reggie Wayne.
Wayne had Santana Moss to keep defenses honest at Miami, and I can see Gonzalez as a #2 NFL WR like Wayne but a more than solid fantasy option if he ends up in a good WC or spread offense.
I personally like the 2nd tier WR's better and have traded down in my dynasty leagues to target these guys instead of the Ginn's and Meachem's
B. Nugget
Footballguy
Well, I was expecting the skinny WR we saw on the field and I thought he had one of the most impressive upper body physiques for WRs, but muscles don't mean much (David Boston) if you don't get it done on the field.I look at it like this... he has the size, decent speed, great hands, concentration to make the difficult catches and the strength to hang on to them. I'm glad Bloom is as high on him as I am, it validates what I've seen on the field from him.
cstu
Footballguy
My take on Gonzalez and Ginn is that Gonzalez will make a good #2 but Ginn's future is all over the map. He could end up a #1 but could also be a #3/kick returner - risky for a 1st round pick. Ginn will also get drafted high by a team that wants his return ability and that will make him go higher in fantasy rookie drafts than he should.The guys moving up my list are Allison and Hill. I have them at 7 and 8 right now and have Gonzalez, Smith, Davis and Higgins after them in that order.
Sounds like a Jet. They love the former QBs must have 4-5 on the roster. I think San Fran has alot too...heh
Baca -Top 25 WR With Scouting Reports
This is some good stuff I learned a lot while I was editing it and may even change a rank or two.
This is some good stuff I learned a lot while I was editing it and may even change a rank or two.
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Madscott
Footballguy
I've been reading a bit more about Mike Walker from Central Florida. Tell me more please Bloom as I've heard him described as a better prospect at this point than Brandon "EEEEE" Marshall last year.
Also, Jacoby Jones has been the subject of an on air diary on NFL Radio's Movin' the Chains. For those that have a chance to listen make sure to catch him. The kid sounds really dynamite and if he can get to the right system and not get caught up in numbers, he really sounds like he could make an impact at this level. He started college and 5'7" and ended at 6'3". Guys like this that learn how to play and get off the ball when they are small by using technique have an advantage at the next level, IMO, over guys that have always had the size to out muscle DBs in college.
Also, Jacoby Jones has been the subject of an on air diary on NFL Radio's Movin' the Chains. For those that have a chance to listen make sure to catch him. The kid sounds really dynamite and if he can get to the right system and not get caught up in numbers, he really sounds like he could make an impact at this level. He started college and 5'7" and ended at 6'3". Guys like this that learn how to play and get off the ball when they are small by using technique have an advantage at the next level, IMO, over guys that have always had the size to out muscle DBs in college.
cstu
Footballguy
Any news on Robinson from Atlanta's minicamp? Does he have a chance to earn a starting job this season?
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