NHL Off-Season thread:Down goes Kane! (4 Viewers)

[Billy Bats]

Let the games begin!!!! Avs start things off:

Avs acquire Soderberg's rights for a 6th rounder. Fueling speculation that if/when he signs with them, ROR trade will follow shortly thereafter.

I hope they pay him the $5 mil a year he wants, that would be delicious

Sounds stupid to pay him that kind of coin when you can apparently keep ROR for 7.5 per. But go nuts fellas.

 

[RUSF18]

I'm really curious to see what Mike Green lands on the open market.Caps will not be bringing him back(along with Fehr)from the recent reports.

Should have plenty of teams interested in him given his PP work and offensive creativity.

Green recently spotted-https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/11401136_10205914694679657_8461440190428110805_n.jpg?oh=55acf6e0f4e79e31e85e1fc6572671b3&oe=561FCF4C

The Wings will kick the tires, especially since his is a righty.

Watching him in his own end is like taking a chance with a wet fart. Even though it can be exciting, the results usually end up being messy.

You should write children's books.

 

[Northern Voice]

Let the games begin!!!! Avs start things off:

Avs acquire Soderberg's rights for a 6th rounder. Fueling speculation that if/when he signs with them, ROR trade will follow shortly thereafter.

I hope they pay him the $5 mil a year he wants, that would be delicious

Sounds stupid to pay him that kind of coin when you can apparently keep ROR for 7.5 per. But go nuts fellas.

Yep.

 

[Northern Voice]

Knowing that age is a consideration ... if you were starting a franchise today, would Karlsson be the first D you take?

considering age, probably Subban, but Doughty, Karlsson, and OEL are all close.

throw Pietrangelo, Hedman, and Carlson just below that. maybe Ekblad too.

it's such a strong cohort right there.

Subban (born 5/89), McDonagh (born 6/89), Doughty (born 12/89), Pietrangelo (born 1/90), Carlson (born 1/90), Karlsson (born 5/90), and Hedman (born 12/90), Ekman-Larsson (born 7/91)

all those guys born within a couple years of each other.

Doughty likely strongest defensively of the group and they're all so good, that would push me towards him.

 

[Northern Voice]

this is pretty awesome for us in the US, IMO:

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/how-will-nbcsn-cover-nhl-draft-for-american-fan--by-using-tsn-stars-164242462.html

I would choose this coverage given the option.

 

[IC FBGCav]

I am no where close to the hardcore people in here. Canes need everything. Who should I be hoping for at 5? Who is the 5th best player in this draft?

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

I am no where close to the hardcore people in here. Canes need everything. Who should I be hoping for at 5? Who is the 5th best player in this draft?

Hanifin

 

[IC FBGCav]

I am no where close to the hardcore people in here. Canes need everything. Who should I be hoping for at 5? Who is the 5th best player in this draft?

Hanifin

that's what a seen, that makes 3 1draft picks all at d in last 3 years. Not one panned out yet.

 

[Dickie Dunn]

I am no where close to the hardcore people in here. Canes need everything. Who should I be hoping for at 5? Who is the 5th best player in this draft?

Hanifin

that's what a seen, that makes 3 1draft picks all at d in last 3 years. Not one panned out yet.

Will be very interesting to see whether the Yotes go with Hanifin or Strome at No. 3. And Provorov could be a wild card as well.

The mock drafts I have seen have been all over the place beyond McEichel.

 

[IC FBGCav]

I am no where close to the hardcore people in here. Canes need everything. Who should I be hoping for at 5? Who is the 5th best player in this draft?

Hanifin

that's what a seen, that makes 3 1draft picks all at d in last 3 years. Not one panned out yet.

Will be very interesting to see whether the Yotes go with Hanifin or Strome at No. 3. And Provorov could be a wild card as well.

The mock drafts I have seen have been all over the place beyond McEichel.

In Raleigh, fans want a shake up, too many high paid players not putting out the effort. Need new faces Staal on down.

 

[IC FBGCav]

I am no where close to the hardcore people in here. Canes need everything. Who should I be hoping for at 5? Who is the 5th best player in this draft?

Hanifin

that's what a seen, that makes 3 1draft picks all at d in last 3 years. Not one panned out yet.

Will be very interesting to see whether the Yotes go with Hanifin or Strome at No. 3. And Provorov could be a wild card as well.

The mock drafts I have seen have been all over the place beyond McEichel.

Ronnie said no chance in Canes moving up but they might move back depending on who is there at 5.

Moving up thing he said tongue and cheek, like I know Ed or Buf would never trade their slots, so back is the only option.

 

[Billy Bats]

Sounds like Arizona is leaning to dealing the number 3 pick. Quite a few teams mentioned with Columbus being the most talked about. However this morning Dreger and others reporting that Boston is possibly dangling Hamilton for the number 3. All interested in trading for the 3rd pick are said to be wanting to draft Hanifin/Provorov.

 

[Billy Bats]

Soderberg signs, 5/23.75m.

Who gets ROR?

 

[Billy Bats]

Dreger: Sounds like Sharks are happy to extend Bieksa's contract. Good fit for him and family. Sharks and Canucks still working on details of trade.

9:24am - 26 Jun 15

Get ready Rud:

Garrioch: #Sens are closing in on a deal for Lehner with the Sabres. Expect a No. 1 pick to be part of the trade and perhaps David Legwand.

9:23am - 26 Jun 15

 

[Northern Voice]

Fisher 2 years 8.8M.

Looks like a bargain compared to Soderberg, Bickell etc...

 

[Northern Voice]

I am no where close to the hardcore people in here. Canes need everything. Who should I be hoping for at 5? Who is the 5th best player in this draft?

Hanifin

that's what a seen, that makes 3 1draft picks all at d in last 3 years. Not one panned out yet.

Will be very interesting to see whether the Yotes go with Hanifin or Strome at No. 3. And Provorov could be a wild card as well.

The mock drafts I have seen have been all over the place beyond McEichel.

Ronnie said no chance in Canes moving up but they might move back depending on who is there at 5.

Moving up thing he said tongue and cheek, like I know Ed or Buf would never trade their slots, so back is the only option.

There was a rumour yesterday of Toronto sending pick 4 and Phaneuf for pick 5 and Staal. I'm guessing more to it than that. It came from Jeff Marek who is pretty legit/not BS Toronto media guy, but it sounded more like it was just draft day discussion type stuff.

The thinking was Carolina wants a defenceman (Hanifin or Provorov) and they may go 3/4. Consensus seems to be Leafs choosing between Marner and Hanifin, in this case they would take Marner.

This will be a crazy/fun day in any case.

 

[Billy Bats]

All kinds of names flying out there; Lucic, ROR, Hamilton, Dion, Kessel. Draft could be boring if all these names get moved before 7pm.

 

[Bill Brasky]

Soderberg signs, 5/23.75m.

lol

 

[Northern Voice]

Rumour of Lehner & Legwand to Sabres for 1st round pick.

 

[Steve Tasker]

Rumour of Lehner & Legwand to Sabres for 1st round pick.

My friends are freaking out about this, saying Tim Murray either has something else up his sleeve or it's a brutally bad move.

 

[Northern Voice]

Rumour of Lehner & Legwand to Sabres for 1st round pick.

My friends are freaking out about this, saying Tim Murray either has something else up his sleeve or it's a brutally bad move.

Well, Legwand is pretty awful, so it depends on what you think of Lehner.

 

[Bill Brasky]

Rumour of Lehner & Legwand to Sabres for 1st round pick.

My friends are freaking out about this, saying Tim Murray either has something else up his sleeve or it's a brutally bad move.

Well, Legwand is pretty awful, so it depends on what you think of Lehner.

Legwand is a salary dump, the trade is essentially Lehner for the first. maybe a bit much considering the slow start to his career, but he's still a pretty good goalie prospect with potential. still plenty young for a goalie.

 

[Foosball God]

Rumour of Lehner & Legwand to Sabres for 1st round pick.

My friends are freaking out about this, saying Tim Murray either has something else up his sleeve or it's a brutally bad move.

Well, Legwand is pretty awful, so it depends on what you think of Lehner.

Legwand is a salary dump, the trade is essentially Lehner for the first. maybe a bit much considering the slow start to his career, but he's still a pretty good goalie prospect with potential. still plenty young for a goalie.

Seems like there are some other young tenders that would be safer.

 

[Bill Brasky]

Rumour of Lehner & Legwand to Sabres for 1st round pick.

My friends are freaking out about this, saying Tim Murray either has something else up his sleeve or it's a brutally bad move.

Well, Legwand is pretty awful, so it depends on what you think of Lehner.

Legwand is a salary dump, the trade is essentially Lehner for the first. maybe a bit much considering the slow start to his career, but he's still a pretty good goalie prospect with potential. still plenty young for a goalie.

Seems like there are some other young tenders that would be safer.

who?

 

[Billy Bats]

Rumour of Lehner & Legwand to Sabres for 1st round pick.

My friends are freaking out about this, saying Tim Murray either has something else up his sleeve or it's a brutally bad move.

I've now seen ROR and Buffalo in the same sentence.

 

[Foosball God]

Rumour of Lehner & Legwand to Sabres for 1st round pick.

My friends are freaking out about this, saying Tim Murray either has something else up his sleeve or it's a brutally bad move.

Well, Legwand is pretty awful, so it depends on what you think of Lehner.

Legwand is a salary dump, the trade is essentially Lehner for the first. maybe a bit much considering the slow start to his career, but he's still a pretty good goalie prospect with potential. still plenty young for a goalie.

Seems like there are some other young tenders that would be safer.

who?

Talbot for one. He seems to have shown more to this point than Lehner. Martin Jones seems like a potential #1 but obviously doesn't have much of a track record yet either.

 

[RUSF18]

4 years of being able to control Lehner, if he pans out, is probably worth more to them than Talbot as a pending UFA. Cam makes more sense for a team who thinks they can contend quicker.

 

[Northern Voice]

@JasonPHT 9m9 minutes ago

Cam Talbot turns 28 on July 5 and has 53 career NHL starts. Let's all remember this.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

I like Lehner, but not sure I want to give up the #21 pick for him.

EDIT: Guess this deal is official. Hope he can get things back on track.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Rumour of Lehner & Legwand to Sabres for 1st round pick.

My friends are freaking out about this, saying Tim Murray either has something else up his sleeve or it's a brutally bad move.

I've now seen ROR and Buffalo in the same sentence.

they've been rumored to be after him for a long time. last year everybody thought Myers for ROR would happen.

now I've seen Grigorenko floated as a piece to send back often since Roy coached him in juniors.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Talbot for one. He seems to have shown more to this point than Lehner. Martin Jones seems like a potential #1 but obviously doesn't have much of a track record yet either.

Talbot is not young, and has 1 year before becoming a UFA. He also put up his numbers playing on one of the elite teams in the league.

 

[Bill Brasky]

Rumour of Lehner & Legwand to Sabres for 1st round pick.

My friends are freaking out about this, saying Tim Murray either has something else up his sleeve or it's a brutally bad move.

Well, Legwand is pretty awful, so it depends on what you think of Lehner.

Legwand is a salary dump, the trade is essentially Lehner for the first. maybe a bit much considering the slow start to his career, but he's still a pretty good goalie prospect with potential. still plenty young for a goalie.

Seems like there are some other young tenders that would be safer.

who?

Talbot for one. He seems to have shown more to this point than Lehner. Martin Jones seems like a potential #1 but obviously doesn't have much of a track record yet either.

Lehner's pedigree is much better than both despite their better numbers behind better teams and Lehner is only 23. if I'm going to pay a late first in a deep draft, I'd take the shot at the guy with a high ceiling over two guys that have proven very little themselves.

 

[Foosball God]

Talbot for one. He seems to have shown more to this point than Lehner. Martin Jones seems like a potential #1 but obviously doesn't have much of a track record yet either.

Talbot is not young, and has 1 year before becoming a UFA. He also put up his numbers playing on one of the elite teams in the league.

Goalies take longer to develop so I tend to categorize them as "young" longer than I would a forward, but I take your point.

 

[RUSF18]

Talbot for one. He seems to have shown more to this point than Lehner. Martin Jones seems like a potential #1 but obviously doesn't have much of a track record yet either.

Talbot is not young, and has 1 year before becoming a UFA. He also put up his numbers playing on one of the elite teams in the league.

Goalies take longer to develop so I tend to categorize them as "young" longer than I would a forward, but I take your point.

While the numbers Talbot put up are obviously not sustainable long term, his overall play wasn't a fluke and it wasn't because of the defense. He's going to be very good for whoever gets him next season.

 

[Foosball God]

Rumour of Lehner & Legwand to Sabres for 1st round pick.

My friends are freaking out about this, saying Tim Murray either has something else up his sleeve or it's a brutally bad move.

Well, Legwand is pretty awful, so it depends on what you think of Lehner.

Legwand is a salary dump, the trade is essentially Lehner for the first. maybe a bit much considering the slow start to his career, but he's still a pretty good goalie prospect with potential. still plenty young for a goalie.

Seems like there are some other young tenders that would be safer.

who?

Talbot for one. He seems to have shown more to this point than Lehner. Martin Jones seems like a potential #1 but obviously doesn't have much of a track record yet either.

Lehner's pedigree is much better than both despite their better numbers behind better teams and Lehner is only 23. if I'm going to pay a late first in a deep draft, I'd take the shot at the guy with a high ceiling over two guys that have proven very little themselves.

Pedigree doesn't trump actual play to me, but I can accept your point. I think they are paying too much considering they are taking a salary dump in the process though.

 

[RUSF18]

Sort of had the same thought. I was reading reaction to the trade and it seemed like Legwand's salary was being discussed as if he was going the other way in the deal.

 

[Bill Brasky]

Rumour of Lehner & Legwand to Sabres for 1st round pick.

My friends are freaking out about this, saying Tim Murray either has something else up his sleeve or it's a brutally bad move.

Well, Legwand is pretty awful, so it depends on what you think of Lehner.

Legwand is a salary dump, the trade is essentially Lehner for the first. maybe a bit much considering the slow start to his career, but he's still a pretty good goalie prospect with potential. still plenty young for a goalie.

Seems like there are some other young tenders that would be safer.

who?

Talbot for one. He seems to have shown more to this point than Lehner. Martin Jones seems like a potential #1 but obviously doesn't have much of a track record yet either.

Lehner's pedigree is much better than both despite their better numbers behind better teams and Lehner is only 23. if I'm going to pay a late first in a deep draft, I'd take the shot at the guy with a high ceiling over two guys that have proven very little themselves.

Pedigree doesn't trump actual play to me, but I can accept your point. I think they are paying too much considering they are taking a salary dump in the process though.

salary dump is irrelevant since it doesn't hurt Buffalo. doing his uncle a favor, I'm sure he will be helped out in the future.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

I think maybe every Sabres fan out there is unhappy with the trade right now.

Most people feel like Murray is overpaying.by a bit in the trades he makes. Like, if he gave up the #31 pick instead of #21, this deal would look a bit better. Not necessarily a huge difference, but those small overpayments over time will likely add up.

Not sure you had to spend this much to get Lehner. Ottawa had to move a goalie and I doubt anyone else was offering up a 1st for him.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Legwand can also be traded as a rental to someone at the deadline for a pick I assume.

 

[Bill Brasky]

I think maybe every Sabres fan out there is unhappy with the trade right now.

Most people feel like Murray is overpaying.by a bit in the trades he makes. Like, if he gave up the #31 pick instead of #21, this deal would look a bit better. Not necessarily a huge difference, but those small overpayments over time will likely add up.

Not sure you had to spend this much to get Lehner. Ottawa had to move a goalie and I doubt anyone else was offering up a 1st for him.

overpaid, but not a lot. pretty good option for what is available. high talent and close to where you'd want him to be for their organizational development. in a couple years when they are ready to compete he'll have a lot of experience and be in his prime. decent risk to take IMO.

 

[Foosball God]

Legwand can also be traded as a rental to someone at the deadline for a pick I assume.

Maybe. I don't think there will be a lot of interest though.

 

[Bill Brasky]

not to mention the Sabres are loaded with picks/prospects at this point. doesn't kill them to overpay a bit for an organizational need. certainly much better than adding a couple 18 year olds to the system in this draft.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

not to mention the Sabres are loaded with picks/prospects at this point. doesn't kill them to overpay a bit for an organizational need. certainly much better than adding a couple 18 year olds to the system in this draft.

it was assumed that #21 pick was being shopped for a top-6 winger or a goalie. so, not a big surprise...especially given that Murray is tied so closely with Lehner.

It's a good fit, but I was disappointed that Lehner seemed to slip a bit lately. He was awesome early on but seemed to regress. Still feel like he has big upside though.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/senators-trade-lehner-legwand-to-sabres-bryan-murray-continues-to-win-the-off-season/

The move is much more complicated from Buffalo’s side. The good: Lehner, 23, is a big, young goaltender oozing talent. He has two years left on a deal paying him a $2.225 million annually, which is perfectly reasonable if Buffalo intends to roll with him as a starter – and it better if it deemed him worth a first-rounder. Lehner was a highly regarded prospect out of Sweden and delivered on his potential in his first few tastes of the NHL. He’s regressed two straight seasons, however, and dealt with concussion woes in 2014-15.

Still, the act of acquiring Lehner makes plenty of sense for Buffalo. Young goalie, high ceiling, good cap hit, and the Sabres needed a goalie. Even the Legwand component is understandable since the Sabres are a salary floor team and he helps them climb closer to it (which is why Ottawa retains no salary in the trade). They are still more than $5 million away from reaching it. And if they struggle again this season, Legwand’s expiring deal and veteran experience makes him flippable to a contender.

But the first-round pick… yikes. Considering how badly the Sens needed to move Lehner, and how much removing Legwand helps their finances, shouldn’t Buffalo have had a bit more leverage here?

The move also should have Glen Sather and the Rangers licking their chops. Lehner just fetched a first-rounder plus cap relief. Maybe Sather’s demands for RFA goalie Cam Talbot are realistic after all?

 

[Billy Bats]

Rosen: Murray said his response to someone telling him he'd get Eichel, Lehner & Kane with the 1st rounders would have been "you're on mushrooms."

11:50am - 26 Jun 15

 

[Faust]

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[ffldrew]

Did they call Tampa and offer the 21st for Bishop? You'd think Tampa would take that since you can't win with him - plus it would free up cap space

 

[Parmcat]

Kessel to Pitt for Mattaa and anything else they can get would be something I could live with. Maybe they could also get Harrington

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Kessel to Pitt for Mattaa and anything else they can get would be something I could live with. Maybe they could also get Harrington

that's a thing?

Pitt going to give up another low cost quality young defenseman for a high cap hit winger?

 

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