No DJax At Practice On Tuesday (1 Viewer)

[packersfan]

I really like this guy but unless he comes at a great value I'm not touching him this year.

From RotoWorld:

Darrell Jackson (knee) didn't return to practice Tuesday, as hoped.

He looks unlikely to be play in the preseason. He's a serious injury risk this season, knocking him down a tier of receivers safely into the WR2 category. He'll produce when he plays.

Source: The News Tribune

 

[BusMan]

Bad news. He's smelling more like risk reward than WR2.

 

[valhallan]

Man, I'm starting to regret trading for him. These knee problems are just lingering from last year, right?

 

[Stashy]

Darrell Jackson (knee) didn't return to practice Tuesday, as hoped.

He looks unlikely to be play in the preseason. He's a serious injury risk this season, knocking him down a tier of receivers safely into the WR2 category. He'll produce when he plays.

Source: The News Tribune

Yikes. This getting pretty ugly

 

[Significant Shrinkage]

This brings about another question. With Jerramy Stevens out for a while, Hutchinson gone, and DJax a bit gimpy how does this affect Alexander?

 

[einstein2u]

bump burleson.....

 

[Banger]

bump burleson.....

and Engram.

 

[zamboni]

bump burleson.....

and Engram.

Agreed. I think Engram is the better play, and probably a good early season guy to start. He gets open, and Hasselback loves throwing to him. I don't know if Hass and Burleson have developed the requisite chemistry yet.

 

[skillz]

bump burleson.....

and Engram.

Agreed. I think Engram is the better play, and probably a good early season guy to start. He gets open, and Hasselback loves throwing to him. I don't know if Hass and Burleson have developed the requisite chemistry yet.

I am debating which one to take though. I had Joe J. last year and he stepped in for me real nicely at times.The question I have is does Burleson or Engram take the WR spot Joe J. vacated? I would think that the answer to that question is the one to have this year since they will be on the field more when D-Jax returns to the mix.

 

[Banger]

bump burleson.....

and Engram.

Agreed. I think Engram is the better play, and probably a good early season guy to start. He gets open, and Hasselback loves throwing to him. I don't know if Hass and Burleson have developed the requisite chemistry yet.

he's one of those below the radar guys that everyone forgets about/wants to replace. Last year he had 67-778-3 in 13 games. Jurevicuis (who's now gone) had 55-694-10, the obvious difference being the TD's. If DJax is out for any considerable time I'd expect Engram to be the guy that Hass relies on based on their past. Also, he can probably be grabbed off the WW in most leagues whereas Burleson is being drafted in most.

 

[packersfan]

In the event of DJax missing time, I could see Engram being the between-the-20s guy (nice value in PPR leagues) and either Burleson, Mili or both being the Red Zone option.

 

[Blitzkrieg914]

IF DJax is out for any length of time the guy to grab is Engram, not Burleson. Hasselbeck flat out LOVES Bobby Engram. Quoted in an article the other day was this:

“The quarterbacks were talking at dinner (Wednesday) night and it was 20 minutes of, ‘How awesome is Bobby Engram?’ ” starting quarterback Matt Hasselbeck said from training camp at Eastern Washington University. “You see so many guys standing on the sidelines and being hurt, and he’s the older guy; he’s supposed to be the one whose body is breaking down, but he seems like he’s getting better as camp goes on.”

Link is here: http://www.thenewstribune.com/sports/seaha...p-5299621c.html

Burleson to me has looked like a WR that a) doesn't know where he is supposed to be on the field and b) doesn't have the rapport with Hasselbeck yet. That's not to say it won't come in time, but don't expect it this early in the season imo.

I have to admit, the one WR that has impressed me the most........

Peter "P-dub" Warrick.

He looks fast, shifty, and his hands have been great thus far. Almost looks like the Warrick that came out of FSU. I would bump him up the list if DJax is out as well as he will likely become the slot WR.

So far, a lot to like about the offense and not much to like about the play of the Defense. Outside of maybe Julian Peterson. Our 2ndary has been putrid thus far.....

 

[Blitzkrieg914]

In the event of DJax missing time, I could see Engram being the between-the-20s guy (nice value in PPR leagues) and either Burleson, Mili or both being the Red Zone option.

No, there is only ONE option inside the Red Zone......and that's Shaun Alexander. Spelled S-H-A-U-N.

 

[zamboni]

In the event of DJax missing time, I could see Engram being the between-the-20s guy (nice value in PPR leagues) and either Burleson, Mili or both being the Red Zone option.

I never got the sense that Burleson is any more of a red zone threat than Engram is. Hasselback will find the guy that's open, and if it's not D-Jax, it's probably going to be Engram.

 

[packersfan]

In the event of DJax missing time, I could see Engram being the between-the-20s guy (nice value in PPR leagues) and either Burleson, Mili or both being the Red Zone option.

I never got the sense that Burleson is any more of a red zone threat than Engram is. Hasselback will find the guy that's open, and if it's not D-Jax, it's probably going to be Engram.

That's possible but that definitely wasn't the case last season when DJax was out. Engram barely registered on the TD scale. Now Jurevicius is a strong target in the Red Zone but I also see Engram as being more of a possession-type receiver than a strong Red Zone option and that's how the situation unfolded last year. That's why I think Hasselbeck will look elsewhere on passing downs inside the 20. Stevens would've been the logical target but with him out maybe Mili steps into the role or Burleson. I'm just not sold on Engram being a strong Red Zone threat. Love him between the 20s which is why I think he has real nice value in PPR leagues.

 

[zamboni]

In the event of DJax missing time, I could see Engram being the between-the-20s guy (nice value in PPR leagues) and either Burleson, Mili or both being the Red Zone option.

I never got the sense that Burleson is any more of a red zone threat than Engram is. Hasselback will find the guy that's open, and if it's not D-Jax, it's probably going to be Engram.

That's possible but that definitely wasn't the case last season when DJax was out. Engram barely registered on the TD scale. Now Jurevicius is a strong target in the Red Zone but I also see Engram as being more of a possession-type receiver than a strong Red Zone option. That's why I think Hasselbeck will look elsewhere on passing downs inside the 20. Stevens would've been the logical target but with him out maybe Mili steps into the role or Burleson. I'm just not sold on Engram being a strong Red Zone threat. Love him between the 20s which is why I think he has real nice value in PPR leagues.

I agree for the most part, but the main difference is the absence of JoeJ (as you mentioned). With Stevens out, then I guess Mili could be a big target, but the TDs have to go to some extent to the WRs. Maybe iit would be more of a mixed bag between Engram, Burleson and Warrick then.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

IF DJax is out for any length of time the guy to grab is Engram, not Burleson. Hasselbeck flat out LOVES Bobby Engram. Quoted in an article the other day was this:

“The quarterbacks were talking at dinner (Wednesday) night and it was 20 minutes of, ‘How awesome is Bobby Engram?’ ” starting quarterback Matt Hasselbeck said from training camp at Eastern Washington University. “You see so many guys standing on the sidelines and being hurt, and he’s the older guy; he’s supposed to be the one whose body is breaking down, but he seems like he’s getting better as camp goes on.”

Link is here: http://www.thenewstribune.com/sports/seaha...p-5299621c.html

Burleson to me has looked like a WR that a) doesn't know where he is supposed to be on the field and b) doesn't have the rapport with Hasselbeck yet. That's not to say it won't come in time, but don't expect it this early in the season imo.

I have to admit, the one WR that has impressed me the most........

Peter "P-dub" Warrick.

He looks fast, shifty, and his hands have been great thus far. Almost looks like the Warrick that came out of FSU. I would bump him up the list if DJax is out as well as he will likely become the slot WR.

So far, a lot to like about the offense and not much to like about the play of the Defense. Outside of maybe Julian Peterson. Our 2ndary has been putrid thus far.....

1. Engram is only good in PPR leagues2. It's the preseason so if the "2ndary looks putrid" it's likely because they are playing base formations with half the defense.

3. Warrick is going to be the #4 WR behind DJ Hackett. He is an NFL afterthought for a reason and always will be.

4. Can't wait for the Wednesday "DJAX not at practice today" thread. Everything points to the team being extra cautious and if you don't think DJAX can't turn it on and off after coming back from an injury, see NFL playoffs 2006. I predict he'll be out there when the Seahawks hit Ford Field on September tenth at 100 percent because he and his coaching staff were careful (I'll be at the lower twenty yl on the Seahawks side ).

GO HAWKS.

 

[zamboni]

4. Can't wait for the Wednesday "DJAX not at practice today" thread. Everything points to the team being extra cautious and if you don't think DJAX can't turn it on and off after coming back from an injury, see NFL playoffs 2006.

This is exactly why I'm refusing to write him off just yet.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

4. Can't wait for the Wednesday "DJAX not at practice today" thread. Everything points to the team being extra cautious and if you don't think DJAX can't turn it on and off after coming back from an injury, see NFL playoffs 2006.

This is exactly why I'm refusing to write him off just yet.

I'm a Seahawks fan first so I avoid most of their players in my fantasy leagues not named Alexander because the stuff is already too emotional. I have felt all along that this is just a move on the side of caution more than anything else. He's still riding the bike and working out and standing on the sideline joking with his teammates. If anyone wants to take Rod Smith, Andre Johnson, or Bobby Engram before him on draft day I'll break my loosely enforced rule and take him. He should have a very nice year.

 

[Blitzkrieg914]

In the event of DJax missing time, I could see Engram being the between-the-20s guy (nice value in PPR leagues) and either Burleson, Mili or both being the Red Zone option.

I never got the sense that Burleson is any more of a red zone threat than Engram is. Hasselback will find the guy that's open, and if it's not D-Jax, it's probably going to be Engram.

That's possible but that definitely wasn't the case last season when DJax was out. Engram barely registered on the TD scale. Now Jurevicius is a strong target in the Red Zone but I also see Engram as being more of a possession-type receiver than a strong Red Zone option and that's how the situation unfolded last year. That's why I think Hasselbeck will look elsewhere on passing downs inside the 20. Stevens would've been the logical target but with him out maybe Mili steps into the role or Burleson. I'm just not sold on Engram being a strong Red Zone threat. Love him between the 20s which is why I think he has real nice value in PPR leagues.

Might want to check the Red Zone Targets through Week 17 in '05 for verification, but from what I can tell JJ was targeted 10x to Engram's 9x. He caught 7 of those 9 targets, although only 2 went for TD's. JJ caught 6 out of his 10 with 5 going for TD's. I think your argument would be better received if it was targeted at End Zone targets vs. Red Zone. Because clearly the two were virtually equal in targets in the Red Zone.

 

[packersfan]

In the event of DJax missing time, I could see Engram being the between-the-20s guy (nice value in PPR leagues) and either Burleson, Mili or both being the Red Zone option.

I never got the sense that Burleson is any more of a red zone threat than Engram is. Hasselback will find the guy that's open, and if it's not D-Jax, it's probably going to be Engram.

That's possible but that definitely wasn't the case last season when DJax was out. Engram barely registered on the TD scale. Now Jurevicius is a strong target in the Red Zone but I also see Engram as being more of a possession-type receiver than a strong Red Zone option and that's how the situation unfolded last year. That's why I think Hasselbeck will look elsewhere on passing downs inside the 20. Stevens would've been the logical target but with him out maybe Mili steps into the role or Burleson. I'm just not sold on Engram being a strong Red Zone threat. Love him between the 20s which is why I think he has real nice value in PPR leagues.

Might want to check the Red Zone Targets through Week 17 in '05 for verification, but from what I can tell JJ was targeted 10x to Engram's 9x. He caught 7 of those 9 targets, although only 2 went for TD's. JJ caught 6 out of his 10 with 5 going for TD's. I think your argument would be better received if it was targeted at End Zone targets vs. Red Zone. Because clearly the two were virtually equal in targets in the Red Zone.

That was my point and I referenced that in my post with regard to the TD issue. That's the ultimate point from a fantasy perspective. I stand by the point that I do not believe Engram will be a strong TD option. But I appreciate the clarity.

 

[Blitzkrieg914]

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1. Engram is only good in PPR leagues

2. It's the preseason so if the "2ndary looks putrid" it's likely because they are playing base formations with half the defense.

3. Warrick is going to be the #4 WR behind DJ Hackett. He is an NFL afterthought for a reason and always will be.

4. Can't wait for the Wednesday "DJAX not at practice today" thread. Everything points to the team being extra cautious and if you don't think DJAX can't turn it on and off after coming back from an injury, see NFL playoffs 2006. I predict he'll be out there when the Seahawks hit Ford Field on September tenth at 100 percent because he and his coaching staff were careful (I'll be at the lower twenty yl on the Seahawks side ).

GO HAWKS.

1. I don't disagree there.

2. Duh. However, that doesn't excuse the CB's from getting beat repeatedly. Being an avid Hawk fan I'm sure you can attest to Trufant's horrendous play last week and to the play of Herndon the week prior against Dallas. Base formations or not, the CB play has been putrid.

3. Warrick is #4 right now ahead of Hackett and behind Engram. That is where he will stay. However, that wasn't what my comments were directed towards. Moreso at his level of play this year in pre-season.

4. I'm quite sure DJax will be out there come the start of the season. My only concern is if he can stay out there during the season.

FWIW, I too am an avid Hawks fan. I'm pretty sure I came out of my Mother's womb wearing a Hawks uniform.

Have a good time at Ford Field and cheer loudly for the Hawks! I'll be in Vegas rooting them on!

 

[fsufan]

as a Djax owner, I do not want him to play in preseason

 

[jaemcy3]

The shark move is to trade for Djax now while he's cheap if you can get through the first few games with him on the bench. Odds are he will be back and will put up top 10-15 WR ppg when he plays. I got Burleson cheap in the draft and am working on getting Jackson in a trade for fluff and stuff that I don't need. I'll play Burleson until DJax is back and then just switch them.

 

[PahtyTom]

In the event of DJax missing time, I could see Engram being the between-the-20s guy (nice value in PPR leagues) and either Burleson, Mili or both being the Red Zone option.

I never got the sense that Burleson is any more of a red zone threat than Engram is. Hasselback will find the guy that's open, and if it's not D-Jax, it's probably going to be Engram.

That's possible but that definitely wasn't the case last season when DJax was out. Engram barely registered on the TD scale. Now Jurevicius is a strong target in the Red Zone but I also see Engram as being more of a possession-type receiver than a strong Red Zone option and that's how the situation unfolded last year. That's why I think Hasselbeck will look elsewhere on passing downs inside the 20. Stevens would've been the logical target but with him out maybe Mili steps into the role or Burleson. I'm just not sold on Engram being a strong Red Zone threat. Love him between the 20s which is why I think he has real nice value in PPR leagues.

Engram had 3 TDs in the 6 games he started with DJax out. Seems like he at least registered on the TD scale to me.

 

[joffer]

ok now i'm a little worried

 

[MU Seminole]

<<<<<<<---------------------------- P-Dub is the guy to grab, come on!!!!!!

But seriously, I like Engram every year out there as a great value in the late rounds or FA wire. And for where Burleson is going, he's a nice value, as well.

 

[fatmnkypants]

The problem as I see it that makes me nervous is when the coaches say DJax is going to practice Tues and play Week 3 preseason and that doesn't happen, then that is a change in plans that must mean there is a setback from where they thought it would be. Is there been any word out of Seattle about why DJax isn't ready to go? When will he be?

 

[ffnut]

as a Djax owner, I do not want him to play in preseason

Totally agree - he doesn't need to show me a thing before week 1.

 

[wannabee]

Seahawks | Jackson will not return before next week

Published Tue Aug 22 7:57:00 p.m. ET 2006

(KFFL) Mike Sando, of the Tacoma News Tribune, reports Seattle Seahawks WR Darrell Jackson (knee) will not be on the field before next week, according to head coach Mike Holmgren. Jackson recently met with his surgeon, Dr. John Uribe, and they decided he should take some additional time before returning. His knee is not as much of an issue as the corresponding muscle mass in the thigh. Holmgren said, "I've been following it so closely and Darrell and I have talked so much about this, I'm not frustrated. He felt in his own mind that he could be ready at a certain time and it's pretty close to the time we're going to be ready. I thought I might have him a week earlier, but as long as I have him for the first game. He's one of those veteran players that doesn't need a lot of reps at camp, but the frustration comes with any of the players that have been hurt."

 

[rascal]

apparently he has a muscle mass in his thigh. What the heck does that mean?

Seattle Seahawks wide receiver Darrell Jackson, who has been recovering from a knee injury, also has an abnormal muscle mass in his thigh as a result of the injury. The muscle mass is actually causing Jackson to miss practice more than his knee injury at this point, according to reports. From the news section on FBG.

 

[valhallan]

as a Djax owner, I do not want him to play in preseason

Totally agree - he doesn't need to show me a thing before week 1.

Same here. But when he blows up, I'm trading him!

 

[Punchie]

apparently he has a muscle mass in his thigh. What the heck does that mean?Seattle Seahawks wide receiver Darrell Jackson, who has been recovering from a knee injury, also has an abnormal muscle mass in his thigh as a result of the injury. The muscle mass is actually causing Jackson to miss practice more than his knee injury at this point, according to reports. From the news section on FBG.

"corresponding muscle mass in the thigh"this basically means the knee is fine but he hasn't had enough training time to build strength back in his leg.

 

[joffer]

August 23, 2006, 19:09 Seahawks :: WRSeahawks WR D. Jackson Still Missing PracticeClare Farnsworth, Seattle Post-Intelligencer - [Full Article]At some point, Darrell Jackson will practice. It just didn't happen Tuesday when the Seahawks returned to practice at Eastern Washington University. Jackson has been sidelined since training camp opened July 29, recovering from a second surgical procedure on his troublesome right knee following the team's loss to the Pittsburgh Steelers in the Super Bowl. The latest plan has Jackson running on a treadmill this week and returning to the field next week. However, coach Mike Holmgren said last week that Jackson would be back this week. "I'm not frustrated," Holmgren said. "I've been following it so close, and Darrell and I have talked so much about this. He felt, in his own mind, that he could be ready at a certain time, and it's pretty close to the time he's going to be ready."