No Jamarcus Russell talk? (1 Viewer)

[Maven]

2008 preseason completion%: 52

2008 regular season : 53%

HOWEVER , 2nd half of the 2008 season he threw 61.2%

Fastfoward now...

2009 preaseson completion% (on 35atts): 65%

Small sample size but...

I'm thinking Jamarcus makes great strides this year...

He threw only 368 times last year..

I can see him throwing 100-120 more passes in 2009...@ about 61% cmp, w/ 7.1 y/att.

A healthy McFadden helps...

18tds, 12ints sound about right? A respectable #2 fantasy QB in 2009?

 

[money.never.sleeps]

2008 preseason completion%: 52

2008 regular season : 53%

I can see him throwing 100-120 more passes in 2009...@ about 61% cmp, w/ 7.1 y/att.

I'm just not buying the Raiders WR or Russells mechanics/preparation for this to happen.

 

[prymetyme25]

After watching him he doesn't read the field fast enough and just relies on his big arm. Also forces way too many passes. I dont know if its him or bad play calling but something just aint right there.

 

[puckalicious]

I finally bailed on him in dynasty. What a wasted 1st round pick by me (12th). I couldn't even give him away and he's still on the waiver wire.

 

[Chadstroma]

2008 preseason completion%: 522008 regular season : 53%HOWEVER , 2nd half of the 2008 season he threw 61.2%Fastfoward now...2009 preaseson completion% (on 35atts): 65%Small sample size but... I'm thinking Jamarcus makes great strides this year...He threw only 368 times last year..I can see him throwing 100-120 more passes in 2009...@ about 61% cmp, w/ 7.1 y/att. A healthy McFadden helps...18tds, 12ints sound about right? A respectable #2 fantasy QB in 2009?

He has an underrated TE in Zach Miller and I was getting excited about Chaz Schilens being a dependable WR for him to lean on. They is plenty of speed but too many question marks in the WR corps. There are two young guys that look like they do have tremendous upside but also show that they are very raw in Darrius Heyward-Bey and Louis Murphy. Johnnie Lee Higgins is likely not much more than a guy that you rotate in and put even more speed on the field as the 4th WR. And finally, we know that Javon Walker had talent but we have no idea if he can physically play anymore on those knees. The Raiders will look to exploit their RB's and run the ball early. The problem is that if they can not stop the run on the other side of the ball, they might end up having to throw more than they like to get back into the game. I think Russell will have a marked improvement over last year but I am not sure about being a respectable #2 fantasy QB just yet. Maybe give him another year to develop and for his weapons to develop as well.

 

[jurb26]

I finally bailed on him in dynasty. What a wasted 1st round pick by me (12th). I couldn't even give him away and he's still on the waiver wire.

Why would you bail on a QB so early in his career?

 

[Department 400]

Sounds like someone is a Russell owner and is looking for some validation.

Tough draft?

 

[Cookiemonster]

In a 12 team league, I'd call him a QB3 still. More about the fact that opposing offenses can control the ball so easily and keep the Raiders' average offense off the field. They will throw, 'cause they will be behind but the O line is sub par, and the defense is awful up front and won't force many 3 and outs at all. I'm looking for his big step up (FFB wise) to be next year.

 

[Gopher State]

2008 preseason completion%: 522008 regular season : 53%HOWEVER , 2nd half of the 2008 season he threw 61.2%Fastfoward now...2009 preaseson completion% (on 35atts): 65%Small sample size but... I'm thinking Jamarcus makes great strides this year...He threw only 368 times last year..I can see him throwing 100-120 more passes in 2009...@ about 61% cmp, w/ 7.1 y/att. Raiders | Cable said team has six legitimate playmakers on offenseKFFL Wed, 02 Sep 2009 13:26:45 -0700CBSSports.com report Oakland Raiders head coach Tom Cable said the Raiders have six legitimate playmakers on the offensive side of the ball. He categorizes RB Darren McFadden, RB Michael Bush, TE Zach Miller, WR Chaz Schilens, WR Darrius Heyward-Bey and WR Louis Murphy as playmakers. If you don't even make the coaches list of offensive play makers, I don't think you can say he's improved or FF draftable.A healthy McFadden helps...18tds, 12ints sound about right? A respectable #2 fantasy QB in 2009?

 

[UnknownCoach]

There is almost always a big jump in a young QBs second year which for Russell is pretty much the case.

The line still has a lot to prove when it comes to pass protection. The wideouts are very very young.

One thing Russell does have is probably more speed to throw to than any other team in the league. Who else might be starting 3 guys who can run a 4.3 40? Then replace them with guys off the bench who still run 4.4? I think its going to take a little time but the future can be very bright for this offense.

 

[Novice2]

A remarkable talent indeed.

 

[cash n carry]

In my 10 team start 2 QB money league ($300) Russell did not get drafted. All owners not necessarily sharks, but all competent Russell did not get drafted - enough said.

 

[the rover]

his team is god-awful. there are better choices for backup QB's on teams that may actually find the end zone once in a while.

 

[Knobs]

Well he does have lots of playmakers on the offensive side of the ball. Plus he has Javon Walker and his miracle surgery.

 

[wait for it]

In my 10 team start 2 QB money league ($300) Russell did not get drafted. All owners not necessarily sharks, but all competent Russell did not get drafted - enough said.

I think that says more about the owners in your league. In a start 2 QB league, no starting QB should be a free agent.

 

[shader]

In my 10 team start 2 QB money league ($300) Russell did not get drafted. All owners not necessarily sharks, but all competent Russell did not get drafted - enough said.

I think that says more about the owners in your league. In a start 2 QB league, no starting QB should be a free agent.

LOL. Good point. I'm in a 10 team, 2 QB league and starting QB's are a premium, whether good or not.

 

[da_budman]

meh He is still not a playmaker. When he gets to that status I will give him a second look.

 

[pesh]

2008 preseason completion%: 52

2008 regular season : 53%

I can see him throwing 100-120 more passes in 2009...@ about 61% cmp, w/ 7.1 y/att.

I'm just not buying the Raiders WR or Russells mechanics/preparation for this to happen.

I have to agree, he's got talent but the people around him can't really "help". Only a couple that I can point out that are ready for something like those numbers.It'd be nice to see it happen, but it's not easy to hit 61% completion by the end of the season.

 

[Wriggers]

meh He is still not a playmaker. When he gets to that status I will give him a second look.

russell plays for the raiders and he has the worst wr's in the nfl to throw too. russell doesnt have a chance.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

2008 preseason completion%: 522008 regular season : 53%HOWEVER , 2nd half of the 2008 season he threw 61.2%Fastfoward now...2009 preaseson completion% (on 35atts): 65%Small sample size but... I'm thinking Jamarcus makes great strides this year...He threw only 368 times last year..I can see him throwing 100-120 more passes in 2009...@ about 61% cmp, w/ 7.1 y/att. A healthy McFadden helps...18tds, 12ints sound about right? A respectable #2 fantasy QB in 2009?

He has an underrated TE in Zach Miller and I was getting excited about Chaz Schilens being a dependable WR for him to lean on. They is plenty of speed but too many question marks in the WR corps. There are two young guys that look like they do have tremendous upside but also show that they are very raw in Darrius Heyward-Bey and Louis Murphy. Johnnie Lee Higgins is likely not much more than a guy that you rotate in and put even more speed on the field as the 4th WR. And finally, we know that Javon Walker had talent but we have no idea if he can physically play anymore on those knees. The Raiders will look to exploit their RB's and run the ball early. The problem is that if they can not stop the run on the other side of the ball, they might end up having to throw more than they like to get back into the game. I think Russell will have a marked improvement over last year but I am not sure about being a respectable #2 fantasy QB just yet. Maybe give him another year to develop and for his weapons to develop as well.

The elephant in the room that no one is talking about are Raiders weak lines. Samson Satele is the replacement for Jake Grove, and even though Jake did suck, Samson is worse...We got Mario Henderson and his burger king diet, and sloppy play on the right side of the line, and this will cause J Russ to run for his life. He hasn't the time to pass downfield. The rush hits him in 2.5 seconds. Once he goes down, and I think he will, then we get a noodle arm game manager in Garcia who can at least run for his life. Just like I don't blame David Carr for being a #1 bust, I don't pin the blame on J Russ for being a bust. But he surely will be.

 

[-baller]

his team is god-awful.

that last game I think he maybe hit one wr the whole time he was in there, and for every yard he gets in the passing game, they give one back in penalties.

 

[Godsbrother]

The only thing going for Russell and the Raiders is they play in the worst division in football.

 

[DoubleG]

meh He is still not a playmaker. When he gets to that status I will give him a second look.

russell plays for the raiders and he has the worst wr's in the nfl to throw too. russell doesnt have a chance.

Even as a Bears fan, I look at his WRs and go...

 

[FDC]

His WR's are Louis Murphy, DHB and Chaz. Just the fact Chaz is the #3 now says to me Murphy and DHB could surprise some.

I know its preaseason but Murphy is still averaging 22.6ypr and 52.7ypg. Give the new guys a chance before you throw them under the bus just because they are Raiders.

 

[5-ish Finkle]

You realize that Chaz Schilens is hurt, right?

Those other two are #1 and #2 by default.

 

[Mmen of Steel]

You realize that Chaz Schilens is hurt, right?Those other two are #1 and #2 by default.

Chaz should be back by the season opener, or shortly thereafter.There's nothing wrong with taking a flyer on JMarc and/or Schilens. I took them in the last 2 rounds of my draft (My QB3 and WR5)Depending on them to start for you every week... .....probably not.Bottom line -- take em on a flyer and see what happens. They *WILL* throw the ball a lot in Oakland this year.

 

[FDC]

Good point. I meant Higgins is the 3. Higgins produced towards the end of the year. I think that speaks volumes about the rookies progression.

 

[trader jake]

The only thing going for Russell and the Raiders is they play in the worst division in football.

If the Raiders offensive line can pass back adequately Russell could be a serviceable #2 FF QB and a nice young signal caller for Al Davis this season with nice upside in 2010 and beyond. I'm just not sure I can buy that line being adequate. Week 1 against the Chargers pass rush, green wide receivers, and Jeff Garcia looming just doesn't sit well either.

 

[lyon812]

Good point. I meant Higgins is the 3. Higgins produced towards the end of the year. I think that speaks volumes about the rookies progression.

Last I heard, Walker had overtaken Higgins, who hasn't had a good preseason considering he's been beaten out by 2 rookies and Javon Walker's miracle knee. http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/2009...play-in-opener/

"– Wide receiver Louis Murphy didn’t finish practice with a foot sprain. Cable said he didn’t think it was serious, while Murphy said it was just a bruise and expected to play.

If Murphy didn’t start, Cable said Javon Walker, and not Johnnie Lee Higgins, would start alongside Darrius Heyward-Bey."

 

[puckalicious]

I finally bailed on him in dynasty. What a wasted 1st round pick by me (12th). I couldn't even give him away and he's still on the waiver wire.

Why would you bail on a QB so early in his career?

I just don't see a scenario where he's ever startable over who I have - Rodgers and Palmer. I had to choose between dropping Russell or Choice in a small roster dynasty league. Like I said Russell is still a FA and I could always try to pick him back up during the season. I suppose in a larger roster league there's no reason to dump him just yet.

 

[PahtyTom]

1. 2nd half stats are NOT more important than first half stats, or total year stats.

2. He does not have a great work ethic.

 

[Maven]

1. 2nd half stats are NOT more important than first half stats, or total year stats.2. He does not have a great work ethic.

You don't think so? Considering hes was a young QB in his first full year starting? I think it can't go unnoticed. ESPECIALLY since hes continued that trend with a high completion % this preseason.

 

[PahtyTom]

1. 2nd half stats are NOT more important than first half stats, or total year stats.2. He does not have a great work ethic.

You don't think so? Considering hes was a young QB in his first full year starting? I think it can't go unnoticed. ESPECIALLY since hes continued that trend with a high completion % this preseason.

Well, historically speaking it has been proven that there is no correlation between 2nd half stats being more important than 1st half stats or total year stats. Each player is different, so I'm sure it could work that way for Jamarcus, but I don't think theres a way to tell.

 

[Maven]

1. 2nd half stats are NOT more important than first half stats, or total year stats.2. He does not have a great work ethic.

You don't think so? Considering hes was a young QB in his first full year starting? I think it can't go unnoticed. ESPECIALLY since hes continued that trend with a high completion % this preseason.

Well, historically speaking it has been proven that there is no correlation between 2nd half stats being more important than 1st half stats or total year stats. Each player is different, so I'm sure it could work that way for Jamarcus, but I don't think theres a way to tell.

Enlightening. ... point taken.

 

[PahtyTom]

1. 2nd half stats are NOT more important than first half stats, or total year stats.2. He does not have a great work ethic.

You don't think so? Considering hes was a young QB in his first full year starting? I think it can't go unnoticed. ESPECIALLY since hes continued that trend with a high completion % this preseason.

Well, historically speaking it has been proven that there is no correlation between 2nd half stats being more important than 1st half stats or total year stats. Each player is different, so I'm sure it could work that way for Jamarcus, but I don't think theres a way to tell.

Enlightening. ... point taken.

To be honest, the work ethic is the thing that bothers me the most. With this talent, he could make stars out of average receivers. But without a strong work ethic, he won't be doing much of anything at that position in the NFL.