No James Harrison for DMVP talk? (1 Viewer)

[Jous]

It seems as though almost everyone is jumping on board the Clay Matthews bandwagon for defensive MVP, but I see almost no talk of James Harrison getting the award. Frankly, it seems a bit silly that this is the case.

Matthews' stats

36 tackles

11.5 sacks

3 passes defensed

1 Interception

1 fumble forced

Harrison

69 tackles

9 sacks

4 passes defensed

2 Interceptions

5 fumbles forced

Matthews has 2.5 more sacks, but Harrison has nearly TWICE the amount of tackles and has forced FOUR more fumbles. Both play for dominating defenses with 7-3 records, Green bay's defense has been on a tear lately but Pittsburgh's deserves credit for playing just as well if not better early in the season to hold the team together without Roethlisberger. Harrison also has a 2008 DMVP on his resume.... so where is the talk about him?

 

[two_dollars]

I agree.

 

[tkrull]

Roger would never allow it.

 

[CrossEyed]

He plays on the edge of the rules at times and seems to be a marked man right now by the league/officials. That's the reason he's not been in the discussion so far.

 

[footballguy#1]

He is too dangerous for the NFL to give an award to. That would send the wrong message.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

He's a former bum who couldn't break the practice squad and now he's an elite LB who beats his GF, and gobbles up HGH like turkey on Thanksgiving.

In a nutshell.

 

[Boom Switch]

Who cares?? Its pretty much a popularity contest anyway?

 

[replacements]

He's a former bum who couldn't break the practice squad and now he's an elite LB who beats his GF, and gobbles up HGH like turkey on Thanksgiving.In a nutshell.

 

[Masked Vigilante]

I thought Timmons was having the better season

 

[PhD]

He's a former bum who couldn't break the practice squad and now he's an elite LB who beats his GF, and gobbles up HGH like turkey on Thanksgiving.

... can't tell which one you are describing here. Description fits both...

 

[The General]

Probably because he's a Steeler.

 

[Adebisi]

He certainly didn't help his cause when he acted like such a baby after the rule change.

 

[Tau837]

Serious question: who is more valuable to the Steelers defense, Harrison or Polamalu? I was under the impression it is Polamalu. In which case that's one reason why Harrison isn't being discussed for DPOY.

 

[Insein]

CONSPIRACY!!!!

 

[Ghost Rider]

Serious question: who is more valuable to the Steelers defense, Harrison or Polamalu? I was under the impression it is Polamalu. In which case that's one reason why Harrison isn't being discussed for DPOY.

Yep. He isn't even the most valuable player on the Steelers defense, so how can he be the league's most valuable defensive player?

 

[johnnyboy8102]

Give Harrison just 1 INT not 2. The ball in Miami that he "picked off" clearly hit the ground.

 

[Adebisi]

Probably because he's a Steeler.

The Steelers just can't seem to catch a break from the NFL, eh?

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Probably because he's a Steeler.

The Steelers just can't seem to catch a break from the NFL, eh?

 

[Sabertooth]

Cheap. Shot. Artist.

 

[LTF]

I don't know if James Harrison is as valuable as Polamalu is, but I think he's a better football player than Clay Mathews. No LB sets the edge in the run game quite like him, and the Steelers ask him to do so much for them all over the field. And it's not like he's gone up against chopped liver this season... Jake Long, Joe Thomas, Michael Oher, Matt Light, Michael Roos, Bushrod, Sam Baker, Donald Penn... it's not like he's getting a bunch of garbage sacks against crap teams.

 

[PaperBagHead]

Serious question: who is more valuable to the Steelers defense, Harrison or Polamalu? I was under the impression it is Polamalu. In which case that's one reason why Harrison isn't being discussed for DPOY.

Serious Question: who is more valuable to the Packer's defense, Matthews or (2009 DPOY) Woodson? I was under the impression it is Woodson. In which case that's one reason why Matthews shouldn't be discussed for DPOY.

 

[Sabertooth]

Serious question: who is more valuable to the Steelers defense, Harrison or Polamalu? I was under the impression it is Polamalu. In which case that's one reason why Harrison isn't being discussed for DPOY.

Serious Question: who is more valuable to the Packer's defense, Matthews or (2009 DPOY) Woodson? I was under the impression it is Woodson. In which case that's one reason why Matthews shouldn't be discussed for DPOY.

Serious answer. Clay Matthews. The defense got pushed around by Miami without him in there. Since he's been back they've allowed 3.3 points per game. He's the best pass rusher in the NFL and it really limits what the Packers can do when he's not in there. Woodson is great, but he's not the player he was last season because of injury.

 

[Sabertooth]

I don't know if James Harrison is as valuable as Polamalu is, but I think he's a better football player than Clay Mathews. No LB sets the edge in the run game quite like him, and the Steelers ask him to do so much for them all over the field. And it's not like he's gone up against chopped liver this season... Jake Long, Joe Thomas, Michael Oher, Matt Light, Michael Roos, Bushrod, Sam Baker, Donald Penn... it's not like he's getting a bunch of garbage sacks against crap teams.

He might be better than Matthews right now. Matthews is still learning to harness his talent. He's not as strong as Harrison against the rush. But he's also not a looney like Harrison either. I thought Harrison was going to retire or something because he can't cheap shot players in the head.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Probably because he's a Steeler.

The Steelers just can't seem to catch a break from the NFL, eh?

Seriously.. Have you ever seen a better group of guys treated so unfairly...

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

I'm sure Harrison is satisfied with the greatest play in SB history and two rings.

 

[tombonneau]

I'm sure Harrison is satisfied with the greatest play in SB history and two rings.

Harrison will not be satisfied until Obama invites him to the White House for no reason.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Serious question: who is more valuable to the Steelers defense, Harrison or Polamalu? I was under the impression it is Polamalu. In which case that's one reason why Harrison isn't being discussed for DPOY.

Serious Question: who is more valuable to the Packer's defense, Matthews or (2009 DPOY) Woodson? I was under the impression it is Woodson. In which case that's one reason why Matthews shouldn't be discussed for DPOY.

Serious answer. Clay Matthews. The defense got pushed around by Miami without him in there. Since he's been back they've allowed 3.3 points per game. He's the best pass rusher in the NFL and it really limits what the Packers can do when he's not in there. Woodson is great, but he's not the player he was last season because of injury.

Demarcus Ware

 

[road warrior]

I thought he was retiring?

 

[smitty63]

Serious question: who is more valuable to the Steelers defense, Harrison or Polamalu? I was under the impression it is Polamalu. In which case that's one reason why Harrison isn't being discussed for DPOY.

Serious Question: who is more valuable to the Packer's defense, Matthews or (2009 DPOY) Woodson? I was under the impression it is Woodson. In which case that's one reason why Matthews shouldn't be discussed for DPOY.

Woodson isn't even the best corner on that defense this year. If you've watched the Pack play you'd know that Tramon Williams has become the best corner in GB. That's the reason they were able to let Harris go. Only a fool would leave Matthews out of the DPOY discussion.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Serious question: who is more valuable to the Steelers defense, Harrison or Polamalu? I was under the impression it is Polamalu. In which case that's one reason why Harrison isn't being discussed for DPOY.

Serious Question: who is more valuable to the Packer's defense, Matthews or (2009 DPOY) Woodson? I was under the impression it is Woodson. In which case that's one reason why Matthews shouldn't be discussed for DPOY.

Serious answer. Clay Matthews. The defense got pushed around by Miami without him in there. Since he's been back they've allowed 3.3 points per game. He's the best pass rusher in the NFL and it really limits what the Packers can do when he's not in there. Woodson is great, but he's not the player he was last season because of injury.

Woodson-60 tackles/52 solo, 1 sack, Tackles for loss 6, 7 PD, 2 INT(1TD), 4 FF

Mathews-36 tackles/33 solo, 11.5 sacks, Tackles for loss 4, 3 PD, 1 INT(1TD), 1 FF

While I don't think Woodson is the same player as last season, asking for 9 INT's and 3 of them returned for TDs is unrealistic.

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

He guys, did anyone mention he may retire?

 

[Tau837]

Serious question: who is more valuable to the Steelers defense, Harrison or Polamalu? I was under the impression it is Polamalu. In which case that's one reason why Harrison isn't being discussed for DPOY.

Serious Question: who is more valuable to the Packer's defense, Matthews or (2009 DPOY) Woodson? I was under the impression it is Woodson. In which case that's one reason why Matthews shouldn't be discussed for DPOY.

You are wrong. Woodson has not played at the same level this year. Matthews is the Packers' defensive MVP. Also, you didn't answer the question I asked. Do you care to?

 

[Masked Vigilante]

I'm sure Harrison is satisfied with the greatest play in SB history and two rings.

Harrison will not be satisfied until Obama invites him to the White House for no reason.

Hey James this is Barack Obama. How about you come over to the Oval Office so me and you can discuss North Korea.

 

[pecorino]

I thought Timmons was having the better season

This is the correct response.

 

[The General]

Probably because he's a Steeler.

The Steelers just can't seem to catch a break from the NFL, eh?

Seriously.. Have you ever seen a better group of guys treated so unfairly...

Posted with heavy sarcasm. As a Seattle homer I am required to give Steeler Nation :( whenever possible.

 

[kellumsboys]

I'm sure Harrison is satisfied with the greatest play in SB history and two rings.

Harrison will not be satisfied until Obama invites him to the White House for no reason.

Hey James this is Barack Obama. How about you come over to the Oval Office so me and you can discuss North Korea.

maybe Obama will invite Harrison to come over and play a little basketball ................ just sayin' although he may want to wear one of these

 

[Steelfan7]

Serious question: who is more valuable to the Steelers defense, Harrison or Polamalu? I was under the impression it is Polamalu. In which case that's one reason why Harrison isn't being discussed for DPOY.

Serious Question: who is more valuable to the Packer's defense, Matthews or (2009 DPOY) Woodson? I was under the impression it is Woodson. In which case that's one reason why Matthews shouldn't be discussed for DPOY.

Serious answer. Clay Matthews. The defense got pushed around by Miami without him in there. Since he's been back they've allowed 3.3 points per game. He's the best pass rusher in the NFL and it really limits what the Packers can do when he's not in there. Woodson is great, but he's not the player he was last season because of injury.

Matthews is a very good one trick pony. Harrison is by far the better overall player without question.

 

[Steelfan7]

I thought Timmons was having the better season

This is the correct response.

Timmons has tailed off the last month.

 

[massraider]

Matthews is a very good one trick pony. Harrison is by far the better overall player without question.

That'll help him when it comes time to award the More Well-Rounded Player Award.

 

[DawgPoundNJ]

I'm sure Harrison is satisfied with the greatest play in SB history and two rings.

Harrison caught the ball against his helmet to extend the instrumental drive in beating the undefeated Patriots?

 

[Sabertooth]

Serious question: who is more valuable to the Steelers defense, Harrison or Polamalu? I was under the impression it is Polamalu. In which case that's one reason why Harrison isn't being discussed for DPOY.

Serious Question: who is more valuable to the Packer's defense, Matthews or (2009 DPOY) Woodson? I was under the impression it is Woodson. In which case that's one reason why Matthews shouldn't be discussed for DPOY.

Serious answer. Clay Matthews. The defense got pushed around by Miami without him in there. Since he's been back they've allowed 3.3 points per game. He's the best pass rusher in the NFL and it really limits what the Packers can do when he's not in there. Woodson is great, but he's not the player he was last season because of injury.

Matthews is a very good one trick pony. Harrison is by far the better overall player without question.

Matthews is the best pass rusher in the NFL. He hasn't learned to cheap shot yet on the level of Harrison.

 

[Steelfan7]

Matthews is a very good one trick pony. Harrison is by far the better overall player without question.

That'll help him when it comes time to award the More Well-Rounded Player Award.

You are guys are freaking clueless when it comes to football. All you guys know are stats. You never played the game nor coached it, but spout off on an internet message board. Classic Shark pool posters this time of year.

 

[Masked Vigilante]

Matthews is a very good one trick pony. Harrison is by far the better overall player without question.

That'll help him when it comes time to award the More Well-Rounded Player Award.

You are guys are freaking clueless when it comes to football. All you guys know are stats. You never played the game nor coached it, but spout off on an internet message board. Classic Shark pool posters this time of year.

Are you Richard LeBeau?

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Matthews is a very good one trick pony. Harrison is by far the better overall player without question.

That'll help him when it comes time to award the More Well-Rounded Player Award.

 

[Rebirtha]

Matthews is a very good one trick pony. Harrison is by far the better overall player without question.

That'll help him when it comes time to award the More Well-Rounded Player Award.

You are guys are freaking clueless when it comes to football. All you guys know are stats. You never played the game nor coached it, but spout off on an internet message board. Classic Shark pool posters this time of year.

Steeler fans.

 

[Jous]

Harrison is a bit of a cheap shot artist, but I think he's clearly the better player between the two overall. Thought this was common knowledge actually?

Not saying he should necessarily win the award, I just didn't understand why he was rarely in the discussion. If I were starting a team and wanted an OLB (not taking age into account) I take Harrison over Matthews every time.

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

another sack and a forced fumble today.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

another sack and a forced fumble today.

and another illegal hit

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

another sack and a forced fumble today.

and another illegal hit

he's nothing if not consistent.

 

[TheWheel]

Being a cheap shot artist isn't as bad as people are making it out to be. Paying 75K to take a guy off the field is a steal no matter how you frame it.

The question is, does Harrison make the players around him better or vice versa? I'm a big Timmons fan but he can't play the game he plays without Harrison. The same with Polamalu. Polamalu gets burned as is. Imagine that without an enforcer to press the pocket or a stopper to deter running his way. He isn't retiring either--that was just a reaction to rule changes (which are no doubt going to be looked at in the offseason.