Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
I spent the last 5 minurte looking for the marshall thread! 
53 pts in my ppr playoffs!
53 pts in my ppr playoffs!
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No respect? Brandon Marshall is a HOSS (1 Viewer)
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Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
I watched much of the game. He must've had over 30 targets. The colts just couldn't cover him. Surprisingly they prolly should have gone to him more. 
Northbound Train
Footballguy
Guy is a beast....I targeted him in every one of my drafts and missed him in all....got greedy trying to squeeze another round out of him 
marshall owner in my league won week 14 to move up to 4-10.WHOO HOOO!!!!
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
dude whatever! :
people hated on BM for being a bit of an egoist. But als TO/Chad/Irvin/Keyshawn he demanded to be payed what he was worth and "respected". That and a slew of ticky tack legal issues, that frankly PALE in comparison to many current and former NFL players.Shorty don't hate. I didnt hate. The system did. 4-10 cost the league 'tard the diff between Ingram and Stanford Boy in next vyear's dynasty draft.dude whatever! :
D'OHtis
Footballguy
Ingram isn't eligible for the draft next year.I didnt hate. The system did. 4-10 cost the league 'tard the diff between Ingram and Stanford Boy in next vyear's dynasty draft.dude whatever! :
Sammy Traveller
Footballguy
i'd rather have marshall get all those points NEXT WEEK.
because I'm on BYE now.
because I'm on BYE now.
That's part of why he should be paid. Film won't help. What he does is unique to him. He's just a physical freak. Good for him - glad to see him do well.J
Then he didnt lose anything!Im all ears to hear how much uber-swchanz marshall owners stand to win...Ingram isn't eligible for the draft next year.I didnt hate. The system did. 4-10 cost the league 'tard the diff between Ingram and Stanford Boy in next vyear's dynasty draft.dude whatever! :
FavreCo
Footballguy
The one thing I notice about him that I never see out of other WR's is that when he runs a route and is covered well, he comes back to the QB when the ball is in flight, giving him that little seperation to make a move after the catch.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
I seriously have no idea what this guy is even saying.Anyway, Marshall is an unbelievable stud. Paired with AJ, today has been a fun day for my team.Then he didnt lose anything!Im all ears to hear how much uber-swchanz marshall owners stand to win...Ingram isn't eligible for the draft next year.I didnt hate. The system did. 4-10 cost the league 'tard the diff between Ingram and Stanford Boy in next vyear's dynasty draft.dude whatever! :
28 targets. The rest of the team combined had 8 receptions on 13 targets.I watched much of the game. He must've had over 30 targets. The colts just couldn't cover him. Surprisingly they prolly should have gone to him more.
FavreCo
Footballguy
OUCH!!!Who was the lucky WR that got the start? I never bench this guy. Orton loves him more that Cutler did.On my benchMother ####er
Neil Beaufort Zod
Footballguy
Ummm...they lost. This proves the coach was right when he said he didn't have a go-to guy. When they pile up the stats with Marshall, it didn't get them a win. Granted, it was Indy-- but I think they'll try to go back to a committee approach.
We play fantasy football. They don't. I'm not sure this makes it more likely that they pay and keep him. From a fantasy standpoint it was awesome. From a team standpoint I think it will reinforce the notion that "his way" is better than force-feeding a superstar.
We play fantasy football. They don't. I'm not sure this makes it more likely that they pay and keep him. From a fantasy standpoint it was awesome. From a team standpoint I think it will reinforce the notion that "his way" is better than force-feeding a superstar.
FavreCo
Footballguy
Not a go to guy? LMAO!!!NFL.COM will have his highlights up by tomorrow. I suggest you watch them. Pay particular attention to the pass behind him that he reached back for. If that doesn't help, maybe the catches from last week.
DID YOU KNOW THEY LOST and Manning was 20-42 and only 220 yards with 3 Int's! If you can't beat the Colts when Manning is this bad, you will never beat them.Maybe the Colts were up by so many they let Orton throw to Marshall w/out giving up the deep stuff. Marshall averaged 9.52 per catch...OK, but Not Beastly.
I would say losing says more about the rest of the team today than Marshall. It's his fault they couldn't keep up? What else should he have done?
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Well, maybe if the RBs could average more than 3 yards per carry or the defense can give up less than 4 passing TDs Marshall's big day wouldn't have been wasted.I seriously have no idea how anyone could possibly take a 21 catch, 200 yard day and turn it into a negative.
I never said that Marshall wouldn't ever be a top 10 WR. I just said that he wasn't a top 10 as of December 2007 (actually, I originally said he wasn't one of the top 20 and gave a list of WRs for people to refute, though few took me up on the offer). Here's a direct quote from December 7th, 2007:Sometime this week I'll have to search for that thread where a long time poster here (SSOG?) or someone said he's never be a top ten WR in FF OR the NFL. man was quite insistant too.
I'm not changing my position in the slightest. For those who aren't clear on my position, here it is in a nutshell.
Brandon Marshall has a ton of upside. He is very talented, and he's very young, so he's almost certainly going to continue getting better. With that said, while he's clearly a top-20 FANTASY wide receiver, he is not currently one of the top 20 receivers in the NFL. He will almost certainly crack that list someday, but he's not there today. As a result, as of today, he's just not a very good WR1 (with "good WR1" being defined as a top-16 WR).
And another from September 2008:
Define young stud WRs. Is he an elite up-and-comer? Absolutely. Are he and Johnson the two best young WRs in the league right now? Lee Evans, Santonio Holmes, and Marques Colston would have something to say in the matter, but they're in the conversation. Regardless, I don't get the backlash- I wasn't saying that Marshall can't be a top-5 fantasy WR, merely that his targets were in line to regress.
This post also summed up my stance pretty well, and while I definitely underrated his ability to be a target magnet a la Fitzgerald or Holt, I would like to point out that I was DEAD ON about his yards (I projected 1250, he got 1265) and that I actually OVERESTIMATED his scoring ability (I predicted 9 TDs, he scored 6). In reality, it was much ado about nothing.
Rovers
Footballguy
I wasn't even sure it was you... but as I recall (and my memory aint all that good, obviously) I seem to recall as the thread went on, you softened a bit. Bottom line was that many people saw Marshall as a special talent. With upside that almost didn't have a ceiling. You were in general, pretty negative. I'll take another look at that thread this week, as myseaonal biz is just about done, and I have some time to spend.I never said that Marshall wouldn't ever be a top 10 WR. I just said that he wasn't a top 10 as of December 2007 (actually, I originally said he wasn't one of the top 20 and gave a list of WRs for people to refute, though few took me up on the offer). Here's a direct quote from December 7th, 2007:Sometime this week I'll have to search for that thread where a long time poster here (SSOG?) or someone said he's never be a top ten WR in FF OR the NFL. man was quite insistant too.
I'm not changing my position in the slightest. For those who aren't clear on my position, here it is in a nutshell.
Brandon Marshall has a ton of upside. He is very talented, and he's very young, so he's almost certainly going to continue getting better. With that said, while he's clearly a top-20 FANTASY wide receiver, he is not currently one of the top 20 receivers in the NFL. He will almost certainly crack that list someday, but he's not there today. As a result, as of today, he's just not a very good WR1 (with "good WR1" being defined as a top-16 WR).
And another from September 2008:
Define young stud WRs. Is he an elite up-and-comer? Absolutely. Are he and Johnson the two best young WRs in the league right now? Lee Evans, Santonio Holmes, and Marques Colston would have something to say in the matter, but they're in the conversation. Regardless, I don't get the backlash- I wasn't saying that Marshall can't be a top-5 fantasy WR, merely that his targets were in line to regress.
This post also summed up my stance pretty well, and while I definitely underrated his ability to be a target magnet a la Fitzgerald or Holt, I would like to point out that I was DEAD ON about his yards (I projected 1250, he got 1265) and that I actually OVERESTIMATED his scoring ability (I predicted 9 TDs, he scored 6). In reality, it was much ado about nothing.
Hey, we all (or at least posters with any muster) have opinions, and post them. Nuthin wrong IMO to bump threads, whether Im right or wrong. Yup, I've bumped my own threads when I got it wrong too.
Dude, you're trying too hard. The key is, act a bit knowledgable on a subject and then throw in a little dig. That'll usually get a few nibbles.
It's not Marshall's fault in the slightest that Denver lost- he did everything he was asked to. With that said, I think Denver targeted Marshall too many times. The offense stalled out a lot of times in great field position. Perhaps the reason they stalled out was because they targeted Marshall too much, maybe it's because they were too devoted to the run when it clearly wasn't working- regardless of the reasons, it's clear that what Denver did on offense DID NOT work, so they obviously should have done something different instead.The defense held up its end of the bargain today. They gave up a TD on 3 of the first 4 possessions, but after that, here's what Indy did on offense:3 plays, punt2 plays, interception3 plays, punt4 plays, interception3 plays, punt1 play, interception3 plays, punt14 plays, TDAs a result of that sequence, Denver's offense got the ball 24 yards from the end zone, 57 yards from the end zone, 68 yards from the end zone, 37 yards from the end zone, 66 yards from the end zone, 81 yards from the end zone, 63 yards from the end zone, and 54 yards from the end zone... and they only scored 1 field goal and 1 TD as a result. The offense simply wasn't getting it done despite excellent starting field position. I don't know how anyone could think that Denver's offensive gameplan today was a successful one. That's not Marshall's fault- like I said, he did everything the team asked of him and then some- but at the end of the day it just shows that "All Marshall, All The Time" is not a viable offensive gameplan for the Broncos. Orton and McDaniels need to spread the ball around more if Denver's going to put any points on the board.Yes, it's all Marshall's fault they lost. The occassional (or more frequent) stupidity on message boards can truely boggle the mind. Guy turns in a record breaking performance, and it's his fault they lost? Holy mother of all things that breath!
buymeagoat
Footballguy
Marshall was the open guy. Marshall did his best to help Denver win. To say that Marshall's big day cost Denver is simply outlandish.
Cecil Lammey
Footballguy
As Bloom says, Marshall has the best "my ball" mentality in the league.remember, he played safety for one year at UCF when they needed him to switch positions. He led the team in interceptions.
D'OHtis
Footballguy
buymeagoat
Footballguy
Didn't Marshall have an 18 catch game last year? What other WRs have ever had two 18+ catch games in their career?
Indy even switched cbs on his side I heard the announcer say. It was a remarkable performance, just jawdropping. He scored 63 against me in my highest money league, and yet, I was more in awe than being upset that it cost me the W.
I kept thinking of the oewns game in 99/2000? 20 catches for TO
To the BM haters in this thread, I just dont think you guys get it. Since when do us fantasy geeks give a damn about our players contributing to their teams wins?
I kept thinking of the oewns game in 99/2000? 20 catches for TO
To the BM haters in this thread, I just dont think you guys get it. Since when do us fantasy geeks give a damn about our players contributing to their teams wins?
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
I thought I was a Hoss?
Avery
Footballguy
True dat.Just watching the post game press conference and he said that he would happily trade a couple of those catches for a win, and it sounded like he meant it.
djjosee
Footballguy
AJ and ... Wayne!OUCH!!!Who was the lucky WR that got the start? I never bench this guy. Orton loves him more that Cutler did.On my bench
i'd rather have marshall get all those points NEXT WEEK.because I'm on BYE now.
SproutDaddy
Footballguy
As a Marhall owner I can validate that you have no idea what you're talking about. It seems that you have some personal agenda here.Homer said:
JuSt CuZ
Footballguy
To quote one of the guys above....NoFBinLA said:
All he wanted was to be paid, cuz he does this time and time again...he caught 18 catches last year after his 2 game suspension....and got 100 catches 2 consec years and might get it again. He has every right to do what he wants to get paid, even if its crying like a little girl, he has proved he was the one who made Cutler, not the other wat around.People said hes "a headache", "a cancer", "a problem", ya dah ya dah ya dah....My opponent has the headache this morning....and earlier in the year he wouldnt trade me garbage when offered for Marshall.21 Catches, 200 yards, and 2TDs? Really? against and Undefeated team?....Is there anyone else who thinks he whines and cries next year for not getting paid, that he don't have the right?
Heep
Footballguy
He also said in the post game press conference he would trade in the catches for a win. He's even saying all the right things now. Watch out for BMarsh...To quote one of the guys above....NoFBinLA said:
It's not BS - it's my opinion. That's why I said 'I think'.BS would have been if I were speaking in absolutes like 'you absolutely didn't even refute my point Cuz'.How is what I said BS and what you said The Truth? I don't see it. In fact you don't even make sense man. Maybe I should have been clearer - he realized that to get paid, he needed to stop acting like an idiot and put the game first and his tantrums second.You're saying if he wants to act like an ### he deserves to do so, as he deserves to get paid. But he's NOT acting like an ###. He's acting like a professional. So... what are you saying? B/C you seem to be arguing a branch of what I was saying but calling me out for it.The man realized that whining and pitching fits didn't work. He put THE GAME FIRST (aka got his priorities straight) and WOW, look at that - the man is probably going to get a fat contract and in fact can date other teams who wouldn't touch him in August. A contract nobody wanted to give him b/c he has been in trouble with the league and the team (which he is being very cafeful about now) and was coming off an injury (not his first).How is any of that BS? Had he continued to sandbag it in practice, mouth off and act like you say he had a right to, he may not be in the position he's in now.To quote one of the guys above....NoFBinLA said:
