Non-horrible Sandusky thread to discuss PSU sanctions (1 Viewer)

[Short Corner]

This is ridiculous, even by the NCAA's standards.

I don't think it is harsh enough. Still holdingout hope that the DOE shuts it down.

 

[Arizona Ron]

so no death penalty then....

This is worse.

I agree. Pulling a strong football program for 3-5 years would still have it viewed as a strong football program once the penalty is up. Now they're going to get slaugtered for 4 years and because laughable for a long time.

 

[CrossEyed]

Bill O'Brien must be making truckloads of money...

I wonder if he has an out clause in his contract.

NOPEhttp://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/07/penn_states_bill_obrien_has_no.html

Wow, that surprises me. Thought he was smarter than that.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

So, no death penalty, but they are going to be housed on death row and taken into the chamber once a week for 5 years and hooked up but not injected just to make a point.

 

[badmojo1006]

I can't remember, have they hired a head coach?

If not, that will be very hard to fill

 

[CrossEyed]

So, no death penalty, but they are going to be housed on death row and taken into the chamber once a week for 5 years and hooked up but not injected just to make a point.

A point that desperately needed to be made, IMO.

 

[Jason Wood]

I think the fact PSU has already agreed to the sanctions should quiet the "absurd" snarky comments. To my mind there's really no penalty too severe, and the only reason I've heard against laying down the hammer was that it would create undue harm to the existing student athletes. By letting them leave without NCAA restriction and/or maintaining their scholarships without playing, I think the NCAA has effectively addressed that concern.

I'm not sure I quite understand vacating the wins -- but I've never understood going back and removing wins. Everyone remembers the games as they happened, and it's not like those changes are going to have an impact on the kids who played in the games or the career trajectories of the coaches involved.

 

[Idiot Boxer]

PSU signed off on these sanctions.

They would have had to.

 

[Idiot Boxer]

So, no death penalty, but they are going to be housed on death row and taken into the chamber once a week for 5 years and hooked up but not injected just to make a point.

A point that desperately needed to be made, IMO.

Does this satisfy your bloodlust?

 

[belljr]

Please explain the initial 10 scholarships and then 20 for 4 years.

 

[beer 302]

Vacating the wins are a direct shot at JoPa's legacy and the attempt to wipe from history his quest to be the winningest coach and the associated "hero worship".

 

[Kirby]

Congratulations to the all-time wins leader, Bobby Bowden!!!

Michigan's 9 game win streak is back... it's like richrod never existed.

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

Bill O'Brien must be making truckloads of money...

I wonder if he has an out clause in his contract.

Big Ten Network said they reviewed his contract overt he weekend and he does not appear to have an out.

 

[Mario Kart]

This is ridiculous, even by the NCAA's standards.

I don't think it is harsh enough. Still holdingout hope that the DOE shuts it down.

Agreed. Not harsh enough.

 

[roadkill1292]

Congratulations to the all-time wins leader, Bobby Bowden!!!

Eddie Robinson

Nobody cares about d2 guy.

You factory fanboys really hate anybody else getting any recognition at all, don't you?

 

[CrossEyed]

So, no death penalty, but they are going to be housed on death row and taken into the chamber once a week for 5 years and hooked up but not injected just to make a point.

A point that desperately needed to be made, IMO.

Does this satisfy your bloodlust?

This isn't about me. But based on your posts here I wouldn't expect you to understand that.

 

[Andrew74]

So what is special about 1998? I thought Paterno broke the record in 2001? Prob wanted to put him behind Switzer or something.

 

[SHIZNITTTT]

So what would keep a wealthy booster from paying for football scholarships until the sanctions are over. So basically Penn State just received a 4 year bowl ban. Wins? Who gives a #### about them? Paternity family? Whoopdeedo!

 

[bentley]

so no death penalty then....

This is worse.

I agree. Pulling a strong football program for 3-5 years would still have it viewed as a strong football program once the penalty is up. Now they're going to get slaugtered for 4 years and because laughable for a long time.

Old Southwest Conference fan here. The death penalty hurt SMU a heck of a lot more than a postseason ban hurt Texas A&M.

 

[Idiot Boxer]

So, no death penalty, but they are going to be housed on death row and taken into the chamber once a week for 5 years and hooked up but not injected just to make a point.

A point that desperately needed to be made, IMO.

Does this satisfy your bloodlust?

This isn't about me. But based on your posts here I wouldn't expect you to understand that.

Point to one place where I've ever been less than rational in discussing it.Honest question: Are you satisfied with this as a penalty and will you now allow the community to begin the healing process or do you feel there should be more?

 

[belljr]

So what is special about 1998? I thought Paterno broke the record in 2001? Prob wanted to put him behind Switzer or something.

The first "known" fondling/rape or whatever

 

[CrossEyed]

So what would keep a wealthy booster from paying for football scholarships until the sanctions are over. So basically Penn State just received a 4 year bowl ban. Wins? Who gives a #### about them? Paternity family? Whoopdeedo!

Pretty sure you can't have privately funded athletic scholarships.

 

[Arizona Ron]

Paterno's new win count is 298. 12th all time

This is the best and most fitting part.

 

[bentley]

So what would keep a wealthy booster from paying for football scholarships until the sanctions are over. So basically Penn State just received a 4 year bowl ban. Wins? Who gives a #### about them? Paternity family? Whoopdeedo!

Seriously? If boosters could pay for scholarships, don't you think Texas and OU would have 150 scholarship players each?

 

[fsufan]

Where is the money going? I read that it will be given to victims and charity but how much?

wondering the same thing

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

If the cancer didnt kill Joe, this probably would have.

 

[Jason Wood]

I hadn't put two and two together, but vacating the wins removes JoePa's status as the all time winningest coach. Wow.

 

[CrossEyed]

So, no death penalty, but they are going to be housed on death row and taken into the chamber once a week for 5 years and hooked up but not injected just to make a point.

A point that desperately needed to be made, IMO.

Does this satisfy your bloodlust?

This isn't about me. But based on your posts here I wouldn't expect you to understand that.

Point to one place where I've ever been less than rational in discussing it.Honest question: Are you satisfied with this as a penalty and will you now allow the community to begin the healing process or do you feel there should be more?

Sorry, maybe I'm confusing someone else's posts with yours. My apologies. And yes, I think this is the kind of penalty that can change the culture and yet doesn't really penalize the current players.

 

[NCCommish]

I hadn't put two and two together, but vacating the wins removes JoePa's status as the all time winningest coach. Wow.

Yeah this seems to me like not keeping score. Everyone knows who won we are just pretending. Same thing here.

 

[wadegarrett]

So who won the 2010 Ohio State-Penn State game?

 

[Short Corner]

Where is the money going? I read that it will be given to victims and charity but how much?

wondering the same thing

$60M all to charities that address child sex victimization. These charities can have no affiliation with the university.

 

[Idiot Boxer]

So, no death penalty, but they are going to be housed on death row and taken into the chamber once a week for 5 years and hooked up but not injected just to make a point.

A point that desperately needed to be made, IMO.

Does this satisfy your bloodlust?

This isn't about me. But based on your posts here I wouldn't expect you to understand that.

Point to one place where I've ever been less than rational in discussing it.Honest question: Are you satisfied with this as a penalty and will you now allow the community to begin the healing process or do you feel there should be more?

Sorry, maybe I'm confusing someone else's posts with yours. My apologies. And yes, I think this is the kind of penalty that can change the culture and yet doesn't really penalize the current players.

Fair enough. It certainly won't satisfy all people, but I think it is pretty severe and hope now that people can focus forward on changing the culture and healing wounds.

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

Paterno's new win count is 298. 12th all timeThis is the best and most fitting part.

yep vacated a total of 112 wins

 

[CrossEyed]

So who won the 2010 Ohio State-Penn State game?

If this is your concern, you're part of the problem. Who cares?

 

[IvanKaramazov]

I think the fact PSU has already agreed to the sanctions should quiet the "absurd" snarky comments.

Not really, no. The NCAA should have had no role in this. The fact that PSU was brow-beaten into accepting these sanctions doesn't change that.

 

[Vrana]

So what would keep a wealthy booster from paying for football scholarships until the sanctions are over. So basically Penn State just received a 4 year bowl ban. Wins? Who gives a #### about them? Paternity family? Whoopdeedo!

Pretty sure you can't have privately funded athletic scholarships.

That doesn't mean they don't happen. If a great athlete wants to go to PSU but they don't have the scholarship for him, something tells me he will have his school paid for in the form of anonymous cash in his mailbox.

 

[renesauz]

I think the fact PSU has already agreed to the sanctions should quiet the "absurd" snarky comments. To my mind there's really no penalty too severe, and the only reason I've heard against laying down the hammer was that it would create undue harm to the existing student athletes. By letting them leave without NCAA restriction and/or maintaining their scholarships without playing, I think the NCAA has effectively addressed that concern.

I'm not sure I quite understand vacating the wins -- but I've never understood going back and removing wins. Everyone remembers the games as they happened, and it's not like those changes are going to have an impact on the kids who played in the games or the career trajectories of the coaches involved.

Strongly disagree. PSU fans are furious with those who knew and were silent...many are even coming around to blast Paterno. Sanctions like this punish every person, every fan, every alum when in the end, only a HANDFUL of people knew and kept silent.

People need heros...people need role models to look up to. Paterno was held up by EVERYONE...not just PSU...as a hero and role model. It is unreasonable unconscionable to punish every person associated with PSU because of the illegal actions of a few....and it's even more so to do so in this way when those actions provided minimal assistance to the football program.

I understand the outrage...but this punishment is over the top absurd. It's punishing the wrong (#($& people.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

PSU signed off on these sanctions.

They would have had to.

Sure they could have been all alone in the intercollegiate athletics world, but if the NCAA guys are not lying they chose to join unanimous choir of college president and chancellors that "football cannot be this big".

 

[fasteddie_21]

The transfers are interesting with not having to sit out a year. But most schools already at 85 scollies this year so not sure where the kids would leave to?

 

[Wrighteous Ray]

And yes, I think this is the kind of penalty that can change the culture and yet doesn't really penalize the current players.

Doesn't seem to me to be likely to make a long-term impact on anything.

 

[GeauxTigers]

I'm not sure I quite understand vacating the wins -- but I've never understood going back and removing wins.

I think this is the biggest slap in the face to the Penn Stage program and Joe Pa's legacy. Even if the NCAA gave Penn State the death penalty, and said they could never play football again, at least there "legendary coach" had the most wins in NCAA history. Now his legacy is tarnished and the Penn Stage fans cannot say this anymore. It's part of erasing the paintings and tearing down the statue. It is destroying the legacy of a once great coach.

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

Where is the money going? I read that it will be given to victims and charity but how much?

wondering the same thing

$60M all to charities that address child sex victimization. These charities can have no affiliation with the university.

And the money cannot come at the expense of other collegiate sports.

 

[CrossEyed]

BTW, schools who take PSU transfers can go over their scholarship limit to accommodate them. They really went out of their way to not punish current players any more than necessary.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

How are these in any way absurd? If anything, these are wholly and completely inadequate and the NCAA really chickened out here.

USC got basically 3 years of probation (3 years of reduced scholarships, 2 year post season ban) for putting an athlete's parents up in a nice house. 11 years of covering up child rape so you could go on making money is worth one more year than that? What a joke.

The idea that the death penalty would hurt the people that weren't involved was always stupid. There's a word for that. It's called life, and it's not always fair. When corporate executives screw up and run a company out of business all the low level workers that had nothing to do with that lose their jobs as well. The ability to transfer without penalty will take care of that anyway. Hopefully the majority of the athletes that are still there will at least do the right thing and get out of there anyway.

This needed to be something that scared all universities into realizing that football isn't more important than doing what's right. A 4 year probation is going to have zero effect on that. The NCAA doles out probations all the time and other universities continue to break the same rules. It doesn't scare anyone off. Teams bounce back from probation strong as ever. Florida went from probation to a 15 year run in the top 5. USC is the preseason #1 team their first year off it.

$60 million dollar fine? 1 year's gross revenue? The point is that money is not greater than doing what's right, so take away all the money they made from not having that very simple value. Fine them the profits they made between 2001-2012, the period where they covered up what was going on, even if it takes them 20 years to pay it off.

####ies.

 

[NCCommish]

I think the fact PSU has already agreed to the sanctions should quiet the "absurd" snarky comments.

Not really, no. The NCAA should have had no role in this. The fact that PSU was brow-beaten into accepting these sanctions doesn't change that.

Not only that but this sets a pretty scary precedent for the NCAA. None of the normal procedure followed here.

 

[renesauz]

I hadn't put two and two together, but vacating the wins removes JoePa's status as the all time winningest coach. Wow.

No it doesn't...it just vcates his official endorsement of such. Removing wins is dumb, because everyone knows who won the games on the field.

 

[Guest]

Paterno's new win count is 298. 12th all timeThis is the best and most fitting part.

Penn State may have signed off on the sanctions, but start the countdown to the Paterno family's "this will not stand" statement.

 

[SofaKings]

So, no death penalty, but they are going to be housed on death row and taken into the chamber once a week for 5 years and hooked up but not injected just to make a point.

A point that desperately needed to be made, IMO.

Does this satisfy your bloodlust?

This isn't about me. But based on your posts here I wouldn't expect you to understand that.

Wow, someone posted something negative about IB? Yeah, this place is swirling the ####ter.

 

[Arizona Ron]

Bobby Bowden & Eddie Robinson are trending at 7th and 8th on Twitter

 

[fasteddie_21]

BTW, schools who take PSU transfers can go over their scholarship limit to accommodate them. They really went out of their way to not punish current players any more than necessary.

Wow. Good on the NCAA then. That answers that for me