Non-horrible Sandusky thread to discuss PSU sanctions (1 Viewer)

[Limp Ditka]

Am I the only one that thinks the punishment was fair?

I think they nailed it personally. Very severe and makes a strong statement to anyone from PSU who was hoping this would just go away. They managed to do that while going out of their way to limit the damage done to current players at PSU. They also leave the football program alive so they still have a path forward and can remain a key part of the community right away.A+ from me.

Actually, I think they jumped the gun. There's so much more that went on there. Obviously, they will not find anything on par with the Sandusky cover-up, but there's certainly other stuff that happened under the careful watch of The Great Enabler. If the NCAA delves into this more, these sanction would seem like a joke. JoePa had people fired so he could keep discipline under his control. Just imagine what kind of crap went on in terms of players getting grades fixed, payments handed out to players, recruiting violations. Those are the kind of things that aren't grey areas, in terms of what power the NCAA has, and would shut lots of people up. Instead, the NCAA exhibited the fact that they are a spineless entity and buckled under the public and media pressure of doing something ASAP.

 

[David Dodds]

I know I am in the minority, but I like the vacated wins. By doing that, the NCAA seems to be saying that had this been handled correctly from the beginning, there would likely have been sanctions then. That would have likely impacted recruiting, total scholarships and probably WINS. No one can change the past, but this is about the only way the NCAA can attempt to show every other school in the NCAA that if you put football over keeping kids safe, then you will lose and lose big. As others have stated, the death penalty would be a blip on the screen (and not a guarantee to change the culture). The totality of these sanctions will hopefully change the culture.

 

[Wrighteous Ray]

IF that is where this is going, then the entirety of college athelics needs to be stopped for a few years for people to get their heads out of their collective asses.

Just football and maybe basketball. The other sports are not the problem.

 

[renesauz]

Because at least in other cases the punishments are directly related to CHEATING. As horrible as this was, it wasn't cheating.

"Only football matters" ??

See...this answer makes me angry. Nobody said only football matters..nobody even implied it. What we're saying is that at it's heart...this wasn't about football. It wasn't about cheating or lying to gain an advantage playing football. At best it was about Paterno's personal legacy...which can't be damaged any more than it already has by anything the NCAA does.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

IF that is where this is going, then the entirety of college athelics needs to be stopped for a few years for people to get their heads out of their collective asses.

Just football and maybe basketball. The other sports are not the problem.

Well, that will just get me on my rant that mens college football and basketball aren't amatuer sports anyway and one of the reasons we are in this NCAA mess is because they are trying to treat professional athletes like something else under the guise of "education" but that isn't what this thread is for. But, I get your point. If the NCAA and college athletics are really amateur sports where education is more important and the sport is so secondary that we need these massive rules that strangle common sense, then the NCAA absolutely has the power to do what they did. An entire institution has been destroyed in many ways because of the diety status of the football program.

 

[whoknew]

I know I am in the minority, but I like the vacated wins. By doing that, the NCAA seems to be saying that had this been handled correctly from the beginning, there would likely have been sanctions then. That would have likely impacted recruiting, total scholarships and probably WINS. No one can change the past, but this is about the only way the NCAA can attempt to show every other school in the NCAA that if you put football over keeping kids safe, then you will lose and lose big. As others have stated, the death penalty would be a blip on the screen (and not a guarantee to change the culture). The totality of these sanctions will hopefully change the culture.

If this had been handled correctly from the beginning, how would there have been sanctions? Based on what?

 

[Bonzai]

No. Do you think Penn State fans and alumni care more about Sandusky's fate and Spanier's fate than they do about the NCAA sanctions?

So your position is that this is really about punishing Penn State alumni and fans?

It's about the NCAA shaping their brand and maintaining their image.

 

[David Dodds]

Because at least in other cases the punishments are directly related to CHEATING. As horrible as this was, it wasn't cheating.

"Only football matters" ??

See...this answer makes me angry. Nobody said only football matters..nobody even implied it. What we're saying is that at it's heart...this wasn't about football. It wasn't about cheating or lying to gain an advantage playing football. At best it was about Paterno's personal legacy...which can't be damaged any more than it already has by anything the NCAA does.

Had Penn State come clean about this even 5 years ago, would they have been sanctioned then? I think they would have. This is years and years of abuse and coverup. So scholarships were going to be lost, recruitment was going to be impacted. Those two things definitely contributed to the win totals. They deserve to have those wins stripped from them.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Penn State must also reduce 10 initial and 20 total scholarships each year for a four-year period. Why does the media keep saying 10 scholarships per year when this statement says 20 Total Scholarships. Kind of lost here is it 10 or 20 and are there different levels of scholarships. I know in some sports you can get a partial scholarship.

They can only have 65 total 'ships as opposed to 85 (loss of 20 'ships per year). And they can only sign a maximum of 15 per year instead of normal 25 per year (10 per year number).

 

[Bird]

Am I the only one that thinks the punishment was fair?

I'm ok with it. No matter what they did it was going to either be not enough or too much. This whole situation is sad in the truest sense of the word. Given what we are dealing with here, and everyone that has paid any attention to this knows what happened - predator was allowed to continue his crimes because the football coach was too powerful, the football program too powerful and no one in power did anything to stop it - that the fact there are people actually demanding where in the NCAA rule book are the violations to allow a punishment here is on some level ridiculous. Do we really need a written rule on this for college athletics? IF that is where this is going, then the entirety of college athelics needs to be stopped for a few years for people to get their heads out of their collective asses.

Each time I try to find the words to express what I'm thinking in this thread, Y23F has already done it.For those against the NCAA sanctions, the cover up was to protect the program and all that came with it. For the punishment to have teeth, all that came from that cover up needs to be taken away.

 

[timschochet]

The thing that bothers me most about this ruling is it's speed. The USC investigation took a few years after the initial charges were laid down. In this case, the NCAA appears to have relied solely on the Freeh report and taken it at face value. I have no reason to doubt the Freeh report, but others have questioned it- the Paterno family, for one. They point out that the key to the report's condemnation of Paterno are emails which refer to "Coach", and they argue that this could be Sandusky himself as easilty as it could be Paterno, which would shed a different light on Paterno's involvement. Who knows?

But it troubles me that the NCAA appeared to spend no time at least making sure the Freeh report was accurate. Obviously they're eager to move on and put this story behind them and college football.

 

[jdelsas]

Can't believe people are saying this is not enough.This is a very significant penalty to the school in terms of money, prestige, and ability to recruit/compete over the next few years. It takes a swipe at JoePa by knocking off the wins - which I am sure was the only reason for vacating the wins back to '98.This punishes the school and the program. The criminal course can punish the individuals.

Not really actually.1. $60M penalty when the universities endowment is $1.8B, is not a very significant fine. 2. Their presige and ability to recruit already took a significant hit from all of the public attention this has received over the past months. 3. JoePa deserves to lose his status as the having the most wins by a head coach. Guy is a scumbag through and through for letting that happen for over a decade. When you have have top officials at a university let this type of thing happen, and continue to happen, the school deserves to be punished in every single way that they just were today. IMO, the penalty was not harsh enough as they will still continue to earn millions in tv revenue through the Big Ten network (unless they do something about that today). It sucks for the people currently going to school there, but the school and program needed to be punished here.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

I know I am in the minority, but I like the vacated wins. By doing that, the NCAA seems to be saying that had this been handled correctly from the beginning, there would likely have been sanctions then.

Why in the world would there have been sanctions if PSU administrators had correctly turned Sandusky into the authorities at the first opportunity?

 

[Wrighteous Ray]

IF that is where this is going, then the entirety of college athelics needs to be stopped for a few years for people to get their heads out of their collective asses.

Just football and maybe basketball. The other sports are not the problem.

Well, that will just get me on my rant that mens college football and basketball aren't amatuer sports anyway and one of the reasons we are in this NCAA mess is because they are trying to treat professional athletes like something else under the guise of "education" but that isn't what this thread is for.

I think there's room in this thread to talk about how the issues at Penn State were not unique. Yeah, there probably aren't a lot of kid rapers being shielded on other campuses, but the whole issue about "changing the culture" could be applied to dozens of other institutions.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

Because at least in other cases the punishments are directly related to CHEATING. As horrible as this was, it wasn't cheating.

"Only football matters" ??

See...this answer makes me angry. Nobody said only football matters..nobody even implied it. What we're saying is that at it's heart...this wasn't about football. It wasn't about cheating or lying to gain an advantage playing football. At best it was about Paterno's personal legacy...which can't be damaged any more than it already has by anything the NCAA does.

The crimes weren't about football. But these sanctions aren't about those crimes. The sanctions are about the distorted position that football achieved at Penn State where not much else mattered. A position that created fertile grounds to allow the crimes. The question is does the organization charged with integrating athletics into the college programs are only about what happens on the field and recruiting? That only "cheating" really matters? The NCAA doesn't believe that. The members that signed on to be part of the NCAA doesn't believe that. So why do you (and others) believe that?

 

[whoknew]

The thing that bothers me most about this ruling is it's speed. The USC investigation took a few years after the initial charges were laid down. In this case, the NCAA appears to have relied solely on the Freeh report and taken it at face value. I have no reason to doubt the Freeh report, but others have questioned it- the Paterno family, for one. They point out that the key to the report's condemnation of Paterno are emails which refer to "Coach", and they argue that this could be Sandusky himself as easilty as it could be Paterno, which would shed a different light on Paterno's involvement. Who knows? But it troubles me that the NCAA appeared to spend no time at least making sure the Freeh report was accurate. Obviously they're eager to move on and put this story behind them and college football.

Two things:1) The OR St president who started the press conference said that this decision was based on information from the Freeh Report and the Sandusky trial.2) When Penn State agreed to the Freeh investigation, it agreed to be bound by the findings of the investigation. So for the NCAA's purposes, everything in the Freeh report is true.

 

[David Dodds]

I know I am in the minority, but I like the vacated wins. By doing that, the NCAA seems to be saying that had this been handled correctly from the beginning, there would likely have been sanctions then. That would have likely impacted recruiting, total scholarships and probably WINS. No one can change the past, but this is about the only way the NCAA can attempt to show every other school in the NCAA that if you put football over keeping kids safe, then you will lose and lose big. As others have stated, the death penalty would be a blip on the screen (and not a guarantee to change the culture). The totality of these sanctions will hopefully change the culture.

If this had been handled correctly from the beginning, how would there have been sanctions? Based on what?

Had they handled in 1998? No, I think the NCAA would not have done anything then. But we are 14 years removed from 1998 now. Had they come clean 5 years ago? Yes there would have been sanctions. The institution continued to endanger kids by not coming clean. And they seemed to do this to keep their competitive edge in recruitment, scholarships and to get more football wins.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

The thing that bothers me most about this ruling is it's speed. The USC investigation took a few years after the initial charges were laid down. In this case, the NCAA appears to have relied solely on the Freeh report and taken it at face value. I have no reason to doubt the Freeh report, but others have questioned it- the Paterno family, for one. They point out that the key to the report's condemnation of Paterno are emails which refer to "Coach", and they argue that this could be Sandusky himself as easilty as it could be Paterno, which would shed a different light on Paterno's involvement. Who knows? But it troubles me that the NCAA appeared to spend no time at least making sure the Freeh report was accurate. Obviously they're eager to move on and put this story behind them and college football.

Penn State has not questioned the Freeh report so why should the NCAA?

 

[Yankee23Fan]

The thing that bothers me most about this ruling is it's speed. The USC investigation took a few years after the initial charges were laid down. In this case, the NCAA appears to have relied solely on the Freeh report and taken it at face value. I have no reason to doubt the Freeh report, but others have questioned it- the Paterno family, for one. They point out that the key to the report's condemnation of Paterno are emails which refer to "Coach", and they argue that this could be Sandusky himself as easilty as it could be Paterno, which would shed a different light on Paterno's involvement. Who knows? But it troubles me that the NCAA appeared to spend no time at least making sure the Freeh report was accurate. Obviously they're eager to move on and put this story behind them and college football.

Yet at the same time we always hammer the NCAA for the length of time it takes to get anything done when they do their investigations. Again, they are in a no win scenario no matter what they did or how they did it.

 

[Jason Wood]

$60mm is not a lot of money. It's based on ONE YEAR of Penn State football revenue.

 

[jwb]

Because at least in other cases the punishments are directly related to CHEATING. As horrible as this was, it wasn't cheating.

"Only football matters" ??

See...this answer makes me angry. Nobody said only football matters..nobody even implied it. What we're saying is that at it's heart...this wasn't about football. It wasn't about cheating or lying to gain an advantage playing football.

At best it was about Paterno's personal legacy...which can't be damaged any more than it already has by anything the NCAA does.

But it IS about football. He was allowed to get away with what he did because of football. You really think if he were a first-year science professor in 1998 that everything would have shaken out the same? That the fact he was the DC of Linebacker U had nothing to do with anything?

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

I think there's room in this thread to talk about how the issues at Penn State were not unique. ...

That is why the presidents and chancellors were so quick to jump on board with this. My guess, and only a guess is that most of them are sick of dealing with the distorted role that football plays with what is supposed to be the academic institutions they run.

 

[saintsfan]

Personally, I think the punishment here is fair. The death penalty hurts a lot of people who had nothing to do with this.

They have crippled Penn St as a major football power, probably for the next 8 years or so, and removed Paterno's status as an elite winning coach. Personally, I think if you wanted something harsher than this, you probably have some axe to grind or are a homer for some other college team.

 

[Guest]

I know I am in the minority, but I like the vacated wins. By doing that, the NCAA seems to be saying that had this been handled correctly from the beginning, there would likely have been sanctions then.

Why in the world would there have been sanctions if PSU administrators had correctly turned Sandusky into the authorities at the first opportunity?

 

[roadkill1292]

I think there's room in this thread to talk about how the issues at Penn State were not unique. ...

That is why the presidents and chancellors were so quick to jump on board with this. My guess, and only a guess is that most of them are sick of dealing with the distorted role that football plays with what is supposed to be the academic institutions they run.

Of course they're sick of dealing with the power that the revenue sports have at their institutions. But the prestige and money they bring along with fan pressure make it nearly impossible to control. I would think most of the factory presidents wake up in the middle of the night wondering when their own Sanduskys are gonna blow up on them.

 

[Arizona Ron]

$60mm is not a lot of money. It's based on ONE YEAR of Penn State football revenue.

Revenue and Profit aren't the same. It's a LOT of money to Penn State, don't be foolish. Think about your salary in a year, now pay that via fine over 4 years. It's a lot dude.

 

[johnnycakes]

$60mm is not a lot of money. It's based on ONE YEAR of Penn State football revenue.

Easy to spot a FBG whose pockets are likely deeper than Chet's.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

I know I am in the minority, but I like the vacated wins. By doing that, the NCAA seems to be saying that had this been handled correctly from the beginning, there would likely have been sanctions then.

Why in the world would there have been sanctions if PSU administrators had correctly turned Sandusky into the authorities at the first opportunity?

Maybe I read too much into the statement the president of the NCAA stated that if the previous PSU administration had behaved like the current one was acting that "we wouldn't be here" in thinking that no action would have been taken on the institution.

 

[Zegras11]

I know I am in the minority, but I like the vacated wins. By doing that, the NCAA seems to be saying that had this been handled correctly from the beginning, there would likely have been sanctions then. That would have likely impacted recruiting, total scholarships and probably WINS. No one can change the past, but this is about the only way the NCAA can attempt to show every other school in the NCAA that if you put football over keeping kids safe, then you will lose and lose big. As others have stated, the death penalty would be a blip on the screen (and not a guarantee to change the culture). The totality of these sanctions will hopefully change the culture.

I doubt you are

 

[Jason Wood]

$60mm is not a lot of money. It's based on ONE YEAR of Penn State football revenue.

Revenue and Profit aren't the same. It's a LOT of money to Penn State, don't be foolish. Think about your salary in a year, now pay that via fine over 4 years. It's a lot dude.

They have a nearly $2 billion endowment, financial penalties are supposed to matter.

 

[Zow]

Congratulations to the all-time wins leader, Bobby Bowden!!!

John gagliardi already has it. Hth

 

[netnalp]

PSU to give their share of Big Ten bowl game revenues to charity.

estimated about $13 million

Big Ten presser on additional penalties is at 11am.

 

[culdeus]

When does the Patenro family release their daily lolrelease?

 

[culdeus]

$60mm is not a lot of money. It's based on ONE YEAR of Penn State football revenue.

Revenue and Profit aren't the same. It's a LOT of money to Penn State, don't be foolish. Think about your salary in a year, now pay that via fine over 4 years. It's a lot dude.

They have a nearly $2 billion endowment, financial penalties are supposed to matter.

An athletic endowment of 2B?

 

[bagger]

I know I am in the minority, but I like the vacated wins. By doing that, the NCAA seems to be saying that had this been handled correctly from the beginning, there would likely have been sanctions then. That would have likely impacted recruiting, total scholarships and probably WINS. No one can change the past, but this is about the only way the NCAA can attempt to show every other school in the NCAA that if you put football over keeping kids safe, then you will lose and lose big. As others have stated, the death penalty would be a blip on the screen (and not a guarantee to change the culture). The totality of these sanctions will hopefully change the culture.

i agree. i was hoping for a big fine to go towards victims of child abuse and vacated wins to punish what joe pa and the gang were trying to protect...his legacy.everything else is just icing on the cake.

 

[Kiddnets]

When does the Patenro family release their daily lolrelease?

Paterno family should be quiet and move on....they are starting to look like that Iraqi PR guy during the Gulf War.

 

[Zow]

$60mm is not a lot of money. It's based on ONE YEAR of Penn State football revenue.

Um 4 years of lost revenue would break 99% of businesses. That's a huge financial sanction. I'm not saying it's too much of a sanction given the infraction, but to suggest it isn't a lot of money is absurd. Az Ron is right in that maybe you don't realize the distinction between profit and revenue.

 

[GroveDiesel]

$60mm is not a lot of money. It's based on ONE YEAR of Penn State football revenue.

Revenue and Profit aren't the same. It's a LOT of money to Penn State, don't be foolish. Think about your salary in a year, now pay that via fine over 4 years. It's a lot dude.

They have a nearly $2 billion endowment, financial penalties are supposed to matter.

How is their endowment money treated? Can it be spent on anything they want to spend it on, or are their limits?

 

[GeauxTigers]

Can't believe people are saying this is not enough.This is a very significant penalty to the school in terms of money, prestige, and ability to recruit/compete over the next few years. It takes a swipe at JoePa by knocking off the wins - which I am sure was the only reason for vacating the wins back to '98.This punishes the school and the program. The criminal course can punish the individuals.

And to the guy that says "taking away Joe Pa's wins are only for stupid people" doesn't know crap about college football. Some people worship these coaches. Go to Alabama and say something about Bear Bryant and you are liable to get shot.

 

[roadkill1292]

Can't believe people are saying this is not enough.This is a very significant penalty to the school in terms of money, prestige, and ability to recruit/compete over the next few years. It takes a swipe at JoePa by knocking off the wins - which I am sure was the only reason for vacating the wins back to '98.This punishes the school and the program. The criminal course can punish the individuals.

And to the guy that says "taking away Joe Pa's wins are only for stupid people" doesn't know crap about college football. Some people worship these coaches. Go to Alabama and say something about Bear Bryant and you are liable to get shot.

That's me and I stand by my statements. Just because a bunch of Alabama people think it's important doesn't make it so. You college football fanboys are a big problem with college football.

 

[netnalp]

Big Ten punishment is PSU give their share of bowl revenue to charity and won't be eligible for the Big Ten Championship for the next 4 years.

 

[Arizona Ron]

$60mm is not a lot of money. It's based on ONE YEAR of Penn State football revenue.

Revenue and Profit aren't the same. It's a LOT of money to Penn State, don't be foolish. Think about your salary in a year, now pay that via fine over 4 years. It's a lot dude.

They have a nearly $2 billion endowment, financial penalties are supposed to matter.

Do you think the $2 billion endowment is just sitting in a bank account somewhere ready for withdraw at any time for any thing?

 

[GeauxTigers]

Vacating wins is the dumbest punishment in the NCAA's arsenal IMO. Everyone knows who won those games.

Seriously??? You can't see the point of this?

I see the point, I just think it is a silly one.

It's crushing to the players who went to school there for the last 15 years.

Only the really dumb ones.

Seriously guy. You have no clue what you are talking about. These football players put blood, guts and tears on the line every Saturday. And for you, to sit in your ivory tower and say those wins means nothing to the players is an insult and slap in the face to the players.That is equivalent to you doing your job (whatever the hell it is) and doing it well and then all of a sudden your boss gets fired or thrown in prison and all the work you did was destroyed and it was like you never did it.

 

[renesauz]

Because at least in other cases the punishments are directly related to CHEATING. As horrible as this was, it wasn't cheating.

"Only football matters" ??

See...this answer makes me angry. Nobody said only football matters..nobody even implied it. What we're saying is that at it's heart...this wasn't about football. It wasn't about cheating or lying to gain an advantage playing football. At best it was about Paterno's personal legacy...which can't be damaged any more than it already has by anything the NCAA does.

The crimes weren't about football. But these sanctions aren't about those crimes. The sanctions are about the distorted position that football achieved at Penn State where not much else mattered. A position that created fertile grounds to allow the crimes. The question is does the organization charged with integrating athletics into the college programs are only about what happens on the field and recruiting? That only "cheating" really matters? The NCAA doesn't believe that. The members that signed on to be part of the NCAA doesn't believe that. So why do you (and others) believe that?

We don't. I agree with your bigger point...but how does this even begin to address that point?The problem exists because we love football. This punishment makes no sense because of exactly what you've said yourself...PSU is far from unique in this regard.

 

[GeauxTigers]

Can't believe people are saying this is not enough.This is a very significant penalty to the school in terms of money, prestige, and ability to recruit/compete over the next few years. It takes a swipe at JoePa by knocking off the wins - which I am sure was the only reason for vacating the wins back to '98.This punishes the school and the program. The criminal course can punish the individuals.

And to the guy that says "taking away Joe Pa's wins are only for stupid people" doesn't know crap about college football. Some people worship these coaches. Go to Alabama and say something about Bear Bryant and you are liable to get shot.

That's me and I stand by my statements. Just because a bunch of Alabama people think it's important doesn't make it so. You college football fanboys are a big problem with college football.

Us college fanboys are what is right with college football and what keeps college football so great. I figured you wouldn't understand. Go back to your ivory tower. I bet you have never played any competitive sport past JV.

 

[Guest]

Big Ten punishment is PSU give their share of bowl revenue to charity and won't be eligible for the Big Ten Championship for the next 4 years.

For how long? I thought the NCAA already banned them from and post-season play. I guess I assumed that included the Big Ten Championship.

 

[David Dodds]

I know I am in the minority, but I like the vacated wins. By doing that, the NCAA seems to be saying that had this been handled correctly from the beginning, there would likely have been sanctions then.

Why in the world would there have been sanctions if PSU administrators had correctly turned Sandusky into the authorities at the first opportunity?

I think we all agree that if Penn State did the right thing 14 years ago that there would not have been NCAA sanctions. But had the university come clean 5 or 10 years ago? Yes there would have been sanctions. For many of us, the coverup is as disturbing as the actual crimes.

 

[roadkill1292]

Vacating wins is the dumbest punishment in the NCAA's arsenal IMO. Everyone knows who won those games.

Seriously??? You can't see the point of this?

I see the point, I just think it is a silly one.

It's crushing to the players who went to school there for the last 15 years.

Only the really dumb ones.

Seriously guy. You have no clue what you are talking about. These football players put blood, guts and tears on the line every Saturday. And for you, to sit in your ivory tower and say those wins means nothing to the players is an insult and slap in the face to the players.That is equivalent to you doing your job (whatever the hell it is) and doing it well and then all of a sudden your boss gets fired or thrown in prison and all the work you did was destroyed and it was like you never did it.

When a Penn State player meets up with a fan or player from a team his defeated back in the day, they're all gonna know. You need to get a little perspective; it's that kind of reverence for the results of games that lead to most of the problems with college football.

 

[renesauz]

I know I am in the minority, but I like the vacated wins. By doing that, the NCAA seems to be saying that had this been handled correctly from the beginning, there would likely have been sanctions then. That would have likely impacted recruiting, total scholarships and probably WINS. No one can change the past, but this is about the only way the NCAA can attempt to show every other school in the NCAA that if you put football over keeping kids safe, then you will lose and lose big. As others have stated, the death penalty would be a blip on the screen (and not a guarantee to change the culture). The totality of these sanctions will hopefully change the culture.

If this had been handled correctly from the beginning, how would there have been sanctions? Based on what?

Had they handled in 1998? No, I think the NCAA would not have done anything then. But we are 14 years removed from 1998 now. Had they come clean 5 years ago? Yes there would have been sanctions. The institution continued to endanger kids by not coming clean. And they seemed to do this to keep their competitive edge in recruitment, scholarships and to get more football wins.

I think you're dramatically overstating the "competitive edge" gained by not reporting the problem in 98 or 2000.

 

[netnalp]

Big Ten punishment is PSU give their share of bowl revenue to charity and won't be eligible for the Big Ten Championship for the next 4 years.

For how long? I thought the NCAA already banned them from and post-season play. I guess I assumed that included the Big Ten Championship.

For 4 years on both. NCAA ruling seems to only be bowl games so the Big Ten ruling says no Big Ten Championship either.Wonder how this affects other Big Ten teams, since now a win against PSU won't do much for their ranking and a loss would probably cause a huge drop.