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Non-Willie Parker owners, what are you doing with Mewelde Moore? (1 Viewer)

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For all of those in tight leagues, what are you guys doing with Mewelde Moore? The guy has been playing very well and Pitt is devoted to the run game because of Roethlisberger's continuously nagging injuries.

Are you hanging onto Moore, or are you confident that Parker is back now and Moore will go back to riding the pine?

 
Just traded him for Buckhalter (have Westy). If you have the space, hold him till next week so you can see if Parker's knee holds up. I don't see any value going forward unless Parker is out.

 
im holding onto MM as long as i can. knee injuries don't fix themselves in a few weeks. i expect Parker's knee to bother him every week. whether it will bother him to the point that will cost him playing time remains to be seen. but figuring that 250 lb defensive players will be trying to reaggravate the injury, i think the chances of Parker missing more playing time is very possible.

 
waiting for to see if parker holds up and to see how tomlin uses both of them. Parker may find the bench if he doesnt do what moore was doing which was producing.

 
Also looking at PITs schedule... it isn't pretty. Depending on when your trade deadline is it might be best to get something for him right after the IND game. That playoff schedule is brutal.

@ WSH

vs IND

vs SD

vs CIN

@ NE

vs DAL

@ BAL

@ TEN

 
I agree with the sentiments expressed so far, hold. He has shown he can produce against a tough defense and more importantly has shown he can carry the full load. I have been trying unsuccessfully to pry Parker away from his owner rather than trying to give him Moore.

However, if Parker is healthy I don't see any value for Moore. Since Tomlin took over, the lead dog in this backfield has received 487 of a possible 626 (78%) RB carries (including Week 4 when Mendenhall went down early) with the scraps divided up between the RB2 and RB3. He just doesn't believe in a RBBC and with Moore performing so well, I could see them running Willie into the ground again until he gets hurt and then plugin Moore.

 
Can we be sure that Tomlin is opposed to RBBC after just over one season, most of which he coached without a real good backup?

Even it is true, surely Willie's injury could alter his thinking.

 
I dropped him for KFaulk.

I only start two RB's, and as long as SJax and MJD stay healthy, I'll be OK.

Thank you Memo, you have served me well for the past few weeks.

 
Well apparently from what is written on rotoworld the Steelers plan on easing Willie Parker back into the line-up which means that this week sets up as a RBBC type situation vs a tough run defense which makes neither Parker or Moore a particularily good play.

I think Moore is defitinely worth holding on to though as Parkers knee seems to be a continual problem and him reinjuring it seems like a distinct possibility.

This week I start Jacobs over Moore with no hesiation whatsoever and as far as future value I am just taking a wait and see approach.

 
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Two points, just for clarifications:

1) N.E. and Dallas are not tremendously difficult defenses to run on. While they are both above average on the year against the run and can not be considered favorable matchups, they have shown weakness against the run - especially the Pats, who have given up yardage to opposing runners.

2) Tomlin has used a RBBC approach - most recently, in week 4 v. Bal, Moore ran 8 times, Mendenhall 9 and Davis 8. While some of that was caused by Mendenhalls' injury, he also filtered in 10 Mendenhall runs in week one to Parker's 25. MeMo's been so good b/c he is almost quite literally, all they have.

I would think that, this week, the team will run a ton and that even with Parker starting, the split will look closer to 60-40 than 80-20. Moreover, I expect MeMo to get the vast majority of passing game looks (for those of you in PPR leagues, I'd continue to play Moore this week).

On the base question, I am hanging onto Moore, but I'd be actively trying to trade him to the Parker owner if you can swing it. Unfortunately, I can't get that trade happening - folks ar enot willing to hang onto both runners preferring instead to bank on one. I can think of worse RB4/5 prospects than one who clocks big numbers when he gets to start.

 
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I'm holding on to him for now since I have the room. Not starting him though this week, unless Wayne is out for Indy, then I will switch in MeMo for him. But I garee with the others, I'll hold on to him until it's certain Parker is back to his old self....

 
I don't have a choice! My starting RB's (dynasty league) this year were Gore and LJ...

LJ is riding pine, and Gore is on bye, I also have Stewart on bye so this week I'm left with MeMo and Faulk, my waiver wire wonders. Another L coming I think.

 
Starting him this week at flex w/ LT on a bye and my next best option being Ocho Cinco. Hoping the looks he gets in the passing game (and maybe some runs) will make it pay off.

Will probably try to move him to the Parker owner after this week if Willie holds up...

 
I don't have a choice! My starting RB's (dynasty league) this year were Gore and LJ... LJ is riding pine, and Gore is on bye, I also have Stewart on bye so this week I'm left with MeMo and Faulk, my waiver wire wonders. Another L coming I think.
PPR I might be tempted to start Faulk.
 
I was planning on dropping him once Parker returned, but I think I'll hold on to him a for a few weeks to see how Parker's knee holds up. The Pittsburgh schedule does look tough down the stretch, but I'd rather roll with a Pittsburgh RB with a tough schedule than try to fish for something better off the waiver wire.

 
SKribbles said:
Also looking at PITs schedule... it isn't pretty. Depending on when your trade deadline is it might be best to get something for him right after the IND game. That playoff schedule is brutal.

@ WSH

vs IND

vs SD

vs CIN

@ NE

vs DAL

@ BAL

@ TEN
Wow that is tough. I can see them finishing 9-7.
 
I am shopping him to the Parker owner for Justin Fargas.

His two weeks coincided nicely with Addai's injury for me.

 
SKribbles said:
Also looking at PITs schedule... it isn't pretty. Depending on when your trade deadline is it might be best to get something for him right after the IND game. That playoff schedule is brutal.

@ WSH

vs IND

vs SD

vs CIN

@ NE

vs DAL

@ BAL

@ TEN
NE has an old defense and Dallas can't stop anybody...how is that brutal?Edit: And INDY lit up BAL like a Christmas Tree

 
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SKribbles said:
Also looking at PITs schedule... it isn't pretty. Depending on when your trade deadline is it might be best to get something for him right after the IND game. That playoff schedule is brutal.

@ WSH

vs IND

vs SD

vs CIN

@ NE

vs DAL

@ BAL

@ TEN
Wow that is tough. I can see them finishing 9-7.
I don't really care what their likely finishing record might be, as that's irrelevant to a discussion of Moore's/Parker's fantasy prospects (though I would agree 9-7 is a definite possibility). And while I agree that the Baltimore and Ten games are tough rushing match-ups, the rest are decent to great. Washington, Dallas, and SD are middle of the pack rush defenses, while Indy, Cinci, NE are bottom tier. Given that we all picked up Moore on waivers, I'd assume spot starting Moore if Parker is out is a viable strategy for all owners, no? So what's not to like about holding a guy for a few weeks in the hopes that he can propel you to the playoffs.

Having said all that, I am trying to move him to the Parker owner in my league, but won't sell him on the cheap just because Parker is practicing. There's simply too much upside. As for dropping him, I really can't say as I understand how one could do that, but every league/team is different and I do NOT want to (nor do I want to be seen as) critizcing people with that "wish I played in your league" junk. But really it comes down to risk/reward and I think the upisde is significant.

As always, just my opinion.

 
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SKribbles said:
Also looking at PITs schedule... it isn't pretty. Depending on when your trade deadline is it might be best to get something for him right after the IND game. That playoff schedule is brutal.

@ WSH

vs IND

vs SD

vs CIN

@ NE

vs DAL

@ BAL

@ TEN
NE has an old defense and Dallas can't stop anybody...how is that brutal?Edit: And INDY lit up BAL like a Christmas Tree
I shouldn't have included NE. The teams they play week 14-16 all give up less than 100yds per game. Not really the teams I want an RB against in the playoffs.
 
I don't have a choice! My starting RB's (dynasty league) this year were Gore and LJ... LJ is riding pine, and Gore is on bye, I also have Stewart on bye so this week I'm left with MeMo and Faulk, my waiver wire wonders. Another L coming I think.
PPR I might be tempted to start Faulk.
Non PPR, but I'll be starting Faulk alongside Ronnie Brown this week. Traded Moore and Steve Smith for Brown and Berrian.
 
Another thought - practicing is not the game.

How will his knee hold up to taking hits. I hate to say it, but this situation kind of reminds me of Chris Brown a few years ago where he had an injury and just could not ever really get healthy, wanted to play, but kept re-injuring himself.

I hold Moore until Parker plays an entire game, and has no setbacks the following week ... then Moore becomes my next drop.

 
He's my RB3 right now behind Gore & Slaton.

If Parker struggles, he might crack #2 instead of Slaton, but Pittsburgh's fantasy playoff stretch (weeks 14-16) isn't pretty for runners: (Dal, Balt, Tenn)

I'm #2 in points, but sitting at 5-3. I'm on the fence keeping him to get me to the playoffs, or shopping him soon.

Holding for another week to get a handle on Parker's injury.

 
I'd holding.

You never know about Parker's health. Plus, Moore is still the 3rd down back and will catch more passes than Parker.

Considering how well Moore has played, I'd hate to drop him and see him put up a monster week later on. There are only so many backups who have the legitimate potential to put up a 30 point game in a ppr league.

 
Two points, just for clarifications:1) N.E. and Dallas are not tremendously difficult defenses to run on. While they are both above average on the year against the run and can not be considered favorable matchups, they have shown weakness against the run - especially the Pats, who have given up yardage to opposing runners.2) Tomlin has used a RBBC approach - most recently, in week 4 v. Bal, Moore ran 8 times, Mendenhall 9 and Davis 8. While some of that was caused by Mendenhalls' injury, he also filtered in 10 Mendenhall runs in week one to Parker's 25. MeMo's been so good b/c he is almost quite literally, all they have.I would think that, this week, the team will run a ton and that even with Parker starting, the split will look closer to 60-40 than 80-20. Moreover, I expect MeMo to get the vast majority of passing game looks (for those of you in PPR leagues, I'd continue to play Moore this week).On the base question, I am hanging onto Moore, but I'd be actively trying to trade him to the Parker owner if you can swing it. Unfortunately, I can't get that trade happening - folks ar enot willing to hang onto both runners preferring instead to bank on one. I can think of worse RB4/5 prospects than one who clocks big numbers when he gets to start.
FWIW, I think in point #2 above, the BAL game should not be used as evidence that Tomlin used the RBBC approach. In fact if you look at the gamelogs for the Steelers this season, this game against BAL is really the only one where the carries were spread around to different backs, but I'll explain why that happened (it wasn't RBBC).The game against BAL in week 4 resulted in the carries split like that for obvious reasons for those who saw the game. Mendenhall had all 9 of his carries before any other PIT RB even saw one....and on his 9th carry of the game, Ray Lewis greeted him with a crushing blow that ended his season. Once that happened it was at the beginning of the 3rd quarter & with their top 2 RBs out and they only had Moore and Davis left.Next in the game was Carey Davis, who saw all 8 of his carries in the game (with Moore not seeing one yet). Davis left the game with a sprained ankle. Finally, Moore (who did not have a carry in the game until both Mendenhall and Davis left injured) gets in the game and finished it for the Steelers. None of the RBs did particularly well, but this was against BAL.So, as you can see, while on the surface it may appear that there was a RBBC split of the carries, further inspection yields the fact that it was a true single RB approach the entire game (starting with Mendenhall then with the Davis and Moore getting in the game due to subsequent injuries). None of the subsequent RBs saw even one carry until the guy on the depth chart in front of him left the game due to injury.I am by no means saying PIT won't go RBBC going forward... in fact, I think they will use both Parker/Moore, but there is no real 2008 game evidence that Tomlin has this RBBC tendency (there definitely was none in the BAL game). For me, I just think it's common sense that PIT will use it going forward since Parker can't stay healthy and Moore has played well in his absence.
 
I packaged him with Slaton to get LT from the Parker owner. Then picked up Torain in the chance that they play him week 14 against KC.

I would expect an inconsistent RBBC out of PIT. Big Ben hasn't exactly been the picture of health this year. If I could run the ball like crazy with a combo of Parker and Moore to give Ben a rest, I would.

 
I pretty much gave him away in a trade yesterday, but I needed the roster space (and a decent D/ST) and didn't know who to cut. So I packaged the worthless Fred Taylor and Moore in exchange for the Chicago D/ST. I tried to sell Taylor being that his next 2 games are against CIN & DET (probably his best chances for ANY production barring injury).

If I didn't have RB depth I wouldn't have done it, but my RBs are Portis, Lynch, DeAngelo Williams, DWard & Torain. I had Torain on IR before this trade so I was otherwise carrying 6 RBs before then (16 man roster ... start the standard 8 positions - no flex).

Anyway, I see Moore as potentially very good (except that his schedule gets tough when it counts most). Moore needs Parker to stay injured, though, to truly warrant starting consideration. I am guessing this situation just ends up as a headache for FF owners the remainder of the season.

It seems like only yesterday that Parker exceeded his 2007 rushing TD total in just one game (week 1 vs HOU).

 
Also looking at PITs schedule... it isn't pretty. Depending on when your trade deadline is it might be best to get something for him right after the IND game. That playoff schedule is brutal.

@ WSH

vs IND

vs SD

vs CIN

@ NE

vs DAL

@ BAL

@ TEN
NE has an old defense and Dallas can't stop anybody...how is that brutal?Edit: And INDY lit up BAL like a Christmas Tree
I shouldn't have included NE. The teams they play week 14-16 all give up less than 100yds per game. Not really the teams I want an RB against in the playoffs.
And you shouldn't include Dallas who can't stop anyone on offense. Just because they give up less that 100ypg doesn't mean they are good against the run, it's that they are horrid against the pass.
 
there is no real 2008 game evidence that Tomlin has this RBBC tendency
As I mentioned:
he also filtered in 10 Mendenhall runs in week one to Parker's 25. MeMo's been so good b/c he is almost quite literally, all they have.
We really do not know which way he'll go. Just because he didn't filter in other runners in Mendenhall's/Davis' first runs before they suffered injury does not mean he would not have filtered in other runners after carry 10/11/12 if they had stayed healthy. In fact, I believe the first game of the year us a good indication of how he would choose to use his RBs. Esp. with the injury difficulties they have had at the position, I would expect Tomlin to recoil in disgust from a gameplan that abused an RB for 25+ carries with little relief.I am not saying it will be an RBBC (which usually infers that he RB1 doesn't have the value of a stud). What I mean is that there will be two runners and both could have value. We have seen it time and again in the NFL over the last few years - the best way to run effectively is to have two good runner and use them a lot. I am sure Tomlin is keenly aware of that fact after his recent spate of RB injuries.
 
there is no real 2008 game evidence that Tomlin has this RBBC tendency
As I mentioned:
he also filtered in 10 Mendenhall runs in week one to Parker's 25. MeMo's been so good b/c he is almost quite literally, all they have.
We really do not know which way he'll go. Just because he didn't filter in other runners in Mendenhall's/Davis' first runs before they suffered injury does not mean he would not have filtered in other runners after carry 10/11/12 if they had stayed healthy. In fact, I believe the first game of the year us a good indication of how he would choose to use his RBs. Esp. with the injury difficulties they have had at the position, I would expect Tomlin to recoil in disgust from a gameplan that abused an RB for 25+ carries with little relief.I am not saying it will be an RBBC (which usually infers that he RB1 doesn't have the value of a stud). What I mean is that there will be two runners and both could have value. We have seen it time and again in the NFL over the last few years - the best way to run effectively is to have two good runner and use them a lot. I am sure Tomlin is keenly aware of that fact after his recent spate of RB injuries.
Well, I think the only thing you can call it is a RBBC since they both will get regular touches (and I would expect 10+ for each unless they abandon the run in any game). That Baltimore game was ZERO evidence of it, though. You are correct that Week 1 is the ONLY possible evidence of it (but PIT blew out HOU in that game ... up very quickly in the game to a 21-0 lead & then 35-3 before HOU put some pts on the board --- i.e. they were mixing in their rookie RB in a game they had under control)...... but then Mendenhall received ZERO carries in weeks 2 & 3, which is not what we would expect for a coach who leans towards RBBC.The only thing we have is our astute football minds and football common sense and we are both in agreement that Parker is not durable enough to warrant not being in a shared carry situation with Moore going forward (assuming both are healthy enough to play). It's definitely not b/c we think Tomlin has shown us something already this season (b/c he hasn't). I call it RBBC here. It is what it is and that is RBs sharing regular carries and in this situation it's b/c Parker is not durable enough. I agree it makes the most sense for PIT too (given that many teams have been very successful with this approach).
 
Willie Parker-RB- Steelers Oct. 31 - 12:04 pm et

Steelers offensive coordinator Bruce Arians said Willie Parker won't be given a full load in his first game back from a sprained knee.

"He's not ready to play 50 plays," Arians said. We suspected that Mewelde Moore would maintain a significant role while Parker eases back in, but it's nice to have confirmation. Parker is likely to start, but both backs make for better flex plays than RB2s against the Redskins on Monday night.

Prefect example as to why Fantasy players should not listen to Roto's little spins... raise your hand if you got Memo going right now

 
Willie Parker-RB- Steelers Oct. 31 - 12:04 pm et

Steelers offensive coordinator Bruce Arians said Willie Parker won't be given a full load in his first game back from a sprained knee.

"He's not ready to play 50 plays," Arians said. We suspected that Mewelde Moore would maintain a significant role while Parker eases back in, but it's nice to have confirmation. Parker is likely to start, but both backs make for better flex plays than RB2s against the Redskins on Monday night.

Prefect example as to why Fantasy players should not listen to Roto's little spins... raise your hand if you got Memo going right now
Not me, but it didn't help me anyways. Anyone else want to say that Tomlin would use a RBBC? lol
 

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