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Norv Turner, last chance? (1 Viewer)
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ICON211
Footballguy
How so? He was 49-59-1 with ONE playoff appearance.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
What a coach did ten years ago becomes irrelevant at some point. It's irrelevant for judging a player's future prospects based on how he did four years ago (no one thinks Ricky Williams is one of the best RBs in the league anymore), and even if you want to lengthen the timeline for coaches, it becomes irrelevant pretty soon.
(Of course, his Dallas days are even more irrelevant.)
(Of course, his Dallas days are even more irrelevant.)
JohnnyU
Footballguy
The reason I believe this will NOT be the last HC job for Turner is because he's in a perfect situation to win games because SD is so good. Whether or not he takes them deep in the playoffs is irrelevant, because his coaching ability will be masked by the fact that SD was a good team to begin with. With Turner going to SD, it all but insures his name in the hat for future HC jobs, unless he transforms SD into a bad team in his first year.
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Well, yeah, it won't be his last chance if he wins the next six Super Bowls.But if he fails to make the playoffs in 2007 and 2008, I think he'll be done as a head coach for good.
HellToupee
Footballguy
exactamundo
massraider
Footballguy
Yeah, but how is his career in SD going to end? With a winning streak?He'll get little credit for doing anything with the current players, barring a 6 or 7 year career there with steady wins, and a championship along the way. If that happens, and he quits for another job, then I suppose SD wouldn't be his last chance.But that is unlikely. Chances are, he'll get fired from SD somewhere along the line. I doubt he'll get fired for doing a "good" job.Do I think it's his last chance? Yeah. And I think he shouldn't have gotten this chance.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I agree with that. The best coach for SD currently, just got fired, not that he was great (we all know Marty's playoff record), but he certainly was a better choice than Norv. The one that should have received the ax was the GM. On the other hand, he was the one who bought the groceries, so what the hell do I know? Probably not much.
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Pat Patriot
Footballguy
When you want to hire your brother as the DC when your brother has had little record of success over the guy the GM wants (Ted Cottrell) who has a much better resume, and you refuse to take no for an answer, you get FIRED.Schottenheimer got what he deserved and wanted. When he didnt sign the extension, you knew he wasnt going to go quietly as a lame duck. He was going to make a my way or the highway stance at some point. He just did it much earlier than anyone thought.JohnnyU said:
massraider
Footballguy
Then the powers that be weren't using their noggins.The reason Smith and Spanos were forced into this move, is because they badly misjudged how this offseason was going to play out. They thought that Smith could deal with Marty for another year, and probably underestimated Cam and Wade's chance for getting new jobs.I have no problem with firing Marty. If you have to choose Smith or Marty, I'd choose the quality personnel guy every day. Doesn't matter if he's a ####. Norv is a swell guy, doesn't make him a better coach.There's no way anyone could ever convince me that if Marty got fired the day after the season ended, that Norv Turner would currently be the head coach. Marty may have deserved to go, but the way it happened, and the resulting events are all on Smith and Spanos.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Turner is one of the luckiest men alive...having this job fall into his lap despite a sub-.500 record and a history of disappointing [at best mediocre] runs as a head coach in Washington and Oakland. Wow.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Hard to argue that any coach given seven years was shafted. That said,Balco said:(if by "shaft" you mean an undeserved 2nd chance due to a changing ownership situation that prevented his firing after the 1998 season)
Washington Redskins under Turner: 49-59-1 (.450 winning percentage)
Washington Redskins since Turner: 42-57 (.424 winning percentage)
Washington Redskins under Joe Gibbs [current tenure]: 21-27 (.4375 winning percentage)
redman
Footballguy
You're not implying that 'Skins fans should prefer Turner over Gibbs, are you?Hard to argue that any coach given seven years was shafted. That said,Balco said:(if by "shaft" you mean an undeserved 2nd chance due to a changing ownership situation that prevented his firing after the 1998 season)
Washington Redskins under Turner: 49-59-1 (.450 winning percentage)
Washington Redskins since Turner: 42-57 (.424 winning percentage)
Washington Redskins under Joe Gibbs [current tenure]: 21-27 (.4375 winning percentage)
They've gone on a head coaching odyssey since Turner, that's for sure. They made two consecutive poor head coaching decisions in Schottenheimer (should not have also made him GM w/total control) and Spurrier (hot commodity at the time but an absolute disaster in hindsight).Neither of those things changes my opinion of Turner's merits (or lack thereof) as head coach though given that, "You could have done worse" is rarely a convincing argument in favor of a certain option.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Does Norv get hired as an OC or HC again?
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Baltimore now looking for an OC.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Norv is back.
Anyone want to discuss potential implications for:
Peterson
Patterson
Rudolph
Jennings
I realize the QB needs to be determined, but I'm thinking no matter what Patterson will be taking a big leap forward.
Anyone want to discuss potential implications for:
Peterson
Patterson
Rudolph
Jennings
I realize the QB needs to be determined, but I'm thinking no matter what Patterson will be taking a big leap forward.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Patterson was taking a leap no matter what. Is patterson a deep ball threat though? he seems more like a catch it at the LOS and make plays type. Norv likes to throw it long
I want to see what they do at QB, Norv hasnt exactly had to deal with Rookie QBs much from what I recall
MattFancy
Footballguy
Like Rudolph going into next year, especially if they upgrade at QB. Look at what Jordan Cameron was doing with a decent QB earlier this season. No reason Rudolph couldn't do something similar.
JFS171
Footballguy
Should be interesting... Norv's an Air Coryell guy... vertical passing game. Not sure they have that QB on the roster, and new regimes generally mean new QBs anyway.
That's honeslty a pretty good situation for a QB to enter in my mind. Peterson to lean on, several weapons in the passing game, and a dome to play your home games.
That's honeslty a pretty good situation for a QB to enter in my mind. Peterson to lean on, several weapons in the passing game, and a dome to play your home games.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Tanner9919
Footballguy
Great for Peterson and Rudolph, bad for the Ravens..
I've never really liked the air coryell term with norv. To me he was too far of a "descendant" and the offense had enough different that it really wasn't "Air Coryell" but more like something a wise coach would do during the evolution of the league like this works, that works, here's my system.
Vermeil or Martz...that seemed more Coryell like to me.
What do you think?
I didn't realize that.
How is ADP in the cold? I wonder if that's advantageous
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
yes the greatest show on turf was basically Air Coryell, I saw Kellen Winslow Sr. on a show once basically saying he walk on the field for the Rams and run the routes and understand everything they were doing.
Norv, while used prinicples of Air, he had a much bigger commitment to the run
sports_fan
Footballguy
No, he's not really a deep threat. He can get open but his hands are nothing special. He had a drop or two per game once they started trying to get him the ball more. He's definitely a guy you want to get it to in the short or intermediate zone with a chance to run after the catch.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Norv Turner has resigned.
- Apparently this wasn't prompted or forced in any way and the Vikes had no clue it was coming.
- Apparently this wasn't prompted or forced in any way and the Vikes had no clue it was coming.
Fireinside
Footballguy
This guy should have left NFL many year ago.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
Seems like this is the end for Norv.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Norv Turner is a fantasy football god as far as I'm concerned. I had LT2 twice in his heyday, and Nor luv was the reason he was a monster. He'all always have a special place in my heart. 
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Really kind of the first 3-wheel offense I can remember. He was a mixed bag as a coach, I don't think whatever is going on in Minny is his fault either.Norv Turner is a fantasy football god as far as I'm concerned. I had LT2 twice in his heyday, and Nor luv was the reason he was a monster. He'all always have a special place in my heart.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I agree - you lose AP and your starting QB that early, it's inevitable that the team's gonna take a downturn - I'm not sure if Norvell retired or was "retired"....maybe he sensed he'd be the scapegoat, or maybe he just tried to do what he wanted with the existing offense and couldn't.
Either way I think he's a terrific coach and MIN lost some brain trust with his departure.
voiceofunreason
Footballguy
Was a great oc back in the day. The game has passed him by though. Adapt or die and he hasn't adapted.
