Ozymandias
Footballguy
Slaton 17 for 80 yds, 1 td.
Green 14 for 62, 1 td.
Bummer.
Green 14 for 62, 1 td.
Bummer.
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Not liking the Steve Slaton/Ahman Green situation (1 Viewer)
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BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Kind of been 2-to-1 or 3-to-2 all year whenever Ahman has been healthy.
I don't see how anything has changed.
I don't see how anything has changed.
bigmiiiiike
Footballguy
Green has gotten a bigger piece of the action each week since he's been back. I can't see him wrestling the starting job away from Slaton w/o an injury, but it sure looks like RBBC to me. That said, I watched the game and Slaton did get a larger share of 1st half carries, and Green got more action after they were leading 21-0, but Green still got carries even when the Lions made a minor comeback, so who really knows.
seatownfavorite
Footballguy
I would prefer steady 80~120 total yards and a TD to Slaton hitting the rookie wall in about a month. I think this helps his season long outlook.
packersfan
Footballguy
Start them both this week with extreme confidence.
facook
Footballguy
The bummer part was that Slaton was stopped on two goal-line tries in the 2nd half, which ended in a Daniels TD catch, and Green got a goal-line TD in the 1st quarter. That's 12 potential points that Slaton either missed out on or didn't cash in on. That doesn't bode well for the future if Green is seen as a better short-yardage back.
Color me concerned.
Color me concerned.
Lobary
Footballguy
You shouldn't be. Green will almost certainly get hurt again.
dgreen
Footballguy
Houston RB touches by game:
I don't think it's necessarily important that Green had so many touches because Slaton also had a good number of touches. My guess is Green's touches were a result of having a healthy lead as they were against Indianapolis. So, I don't see them as touches being taken away from Slaton as much as they are just extra touches going to someone else. It's just that there was a bigger pie, so to speak.
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Slaton Other RBs 16 10 22 7 18 9 17 13 16 9 20 15packersfan
Footballguy
Nope. But if he's healthy and the matchup is great and you need some RB help then he's very viable as a RB3. This is one of those weeks.
facook
Footballguy
Thanks, I had forgotten that. 
Ted Lange as your Bartender
Footballguy
coolnerd
Footballguy
Some version of shared carries was the plan for the texans ofrfense since the summer. the question was only which combination of players would been the so-called "starter" versus the 2nd man. Especially with the way the passing game has looked the past month, rare will be the week where slaton tops 18-20 total touches. In terms of what the Texans want to do, sunday was as near perfect a breakdown as one can get.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
I am thrilled with the production he has had. Plus, he is kind of small to get 20-25 carries a game every week, so subbing Green in there, while he is still healthy, keep Slaton fresh, and with his speed, makes it more likely for him to bust out with those big plays.fatboyj711
Footballguy
if slaton gives the texans the best chance to win, what are they preserving him for? the playoffs?!
Bermuda_Chub
Footballguy
Green does look to be as "fit," as the soccer announcers say, as I've seen him since '06.
coolnerd
Footballguy
Maybe they think the best way for Slaton to have long-term success in the league is not to use him up in a year where making the playoffs is a long shot?if slaton gives the texans the best chance to win, what are they preserving him for? the playoffs?!
blake
Footballguy
i was thinking the same thing as facook when watching the game, but lobary is right here. green will not last. and also, slaton has done too much this season to lose his job or be completely supplanted as a goal line back.
Ozymandias
Footballguy
So because I am playing with house money, and put $10,000 on black, I am not supposed to care if it comes up red?i was thinking the same thing as facook when watching the game, but lobary is right here. green will not last. and also, slaton has done too much this season to lose his job or be completely supplanted as a goal line back.Slaton owners are playing with house money
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
This thread is killing me...I cannot believe Slaton owners getting all upset about the game Slaton had on Sunday...do you really see Slaton as a 150 yd 2-3 TD guy week in and week out? And what does the rest of your roster look like if a guy tht was likely drafted well after others were...likely no more than an RB4 RB5 on most owners in here that were along for the ride all summer...and now you are going to start belly aching that this guy who has had 3-4 really strong games suddenly shares a little bit? Slaton is about 185 on a good day IIRC...and he isn't made to carry it 20+ times a game...ideally he should be about 15 carries plus some catches, let's be realistic folks. I'm not calling anyone out, and you really should not be offended by this post, but this thread is way off base IMO.
What are we upset about? I own Slaton in a few leagues, he's a nice surprise but I am not betting my playoffs with him as my starter. Why not trade him for soemthing bette if you can...you have all these great stats to work a trade with, should be able to grab soemthing more stable I would think.
What are we upset about? I own Slaton in a few leagues, he's a nice surprise but I am not betting my playoffs with him as my starter. Why not trade him for soemthing bette if you can...you have all these great stats to work a trade with, should be able to grab soemthing more stable I would think.
blake
Footballguy
i know, i know - it is way easier for me to be posting here as a former-slaton owner and not one now as opposed to being a current slaton owner. if i were i'd be annoyed too. the guy just looks really really good though when you watch him. i know that's not a ton of solace as you'd like to see it in stats, but as i am optimistic about slaton, i'm pessimistic about green. :( me =So because I am playing with house money, and put $10,000 on black, I am not supposed to care if it comes up red?
blake
Footballguy
i think it was on this board, or at least i read it somewhere, that maybe selling high on slaton wasn't the worst move. i'm not sure if it was because of difficult matchups ahead or what to be honest. slaton still had a really good game yesterday, and his value is still high. just sayin'....the RB guru here has a point.
Ozymandias
Footballguy
Excuse me, O GREAT WISE ONE ABOUT running backs. I didn't know we were not supposed to wish our players got more chances.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
This is why I don't post in many threads outside of the one I create, and the subscriber, SSL, Survivor threads...What part of "I'm not calling anyone out...and you really shouldn't be offended"...what part of that did you not read? Why do you feel so guilty about what I posted? Unwrap what you really feel about Slaton...tell me why he should be getting more carries, and God forbid EBF comes in here and starts thrwoing BMI around but Slaton is not built to withstand 16 weeks of 20+ carries and being pounded left and right. To his credit, he did take some very hard shots in the opening week and some others, has bounced thru them nicely, but at some point he is going to be lit up and injured. You don't have to agree with me, I wasn't looking for anyone's seal of approval, it was simply an opinion.
I think highly of you Ozy, you're here long after the others leave at the SB intermission of the off season, just wanted to put out there how I feel about Slaton, and I thought it was a good thread to do it as so many seem to think like you did in the OP...you're better than that last post friend.
I don't see Slaton losing any of the goal line looks that he has been getting. He's been great at punching it in minus those two tries that you are referring to. Which is going to happen, hell even MBIII gets denied every now and then. He's shown excellent power for his size, much like Jones-Drew (although MJD is more stout), awesome vision, great receiver and a homerun threat. All of this from a very late round pick or waiver guy, F. Nothing to worry about here.Indy 39 seconds in
Titans 1:29 mark (Titans have a pretty good D right?)
Ozymandias
Footballguy
I shoulda put a smiley after my post, like I did just above. No offense taken. It's partly because I have Turner and he faces TB and MIN in weeks 15 and 16, and I was hoping that Slaton would be studly enough to carry me against OAK, if not TEN.
Ted Lange as your Bartender
Footballguy
First off, his stats were still really solid, it's not like he put up 7 carries for 29 yards. Is he a top-5 back? No. Is he a solid RB2 and starter-worthy? Absolutely. Plus, drafting Slaton benefits your entire team all year. The way I figure it, people generally drafted Slaton as a RB4/RB5 who's producing like a RB2. Basically, you bought a lottery ticket and it hit. Now, you either traded him away at a much higher value than you originally drafted him, upgrading another position on your team, or you traded away your original RB2/RB3 and "promoted" Slaton, again improving another position on your team, which is what I did (traded E James for D Bowe).That's why I say Slaton owners are playing with house money - it's like you were given an extra 4th round pick on draft day.So because I am playing with house money, and put $10,000 on black, I am not supposed to care if it comes up red?i was thinking the same thing as facook when watching the game, but lobary is right here. green will not last. and also, slaton has done too much this season to lose his job or be completely supplanted as a goal line back.Slaton owners are playing with house money
two_dollars
Footballguy
Drafted him in the 10th, so I can complain about RBBC at least a little bit.
two_dollars
Footballguy
Exactly what I did.. shipped out Michael Turner after week 4 and got Andre Johnson. I couldn't NOT have Slaton in my lineup anymore.First off, his stats were still really solid, it's not like he put up 7 carries for 29 yards. Is he a top-5 back? No. Is he a solid RB2 and starter-worthy? Absolutely. Plus, drafting Slaton benefits your entire team all year. The way I figure it, people generally drafted Slaton as a RB4/RB5 who's producing like a RB2. Basically, you bought a lottery ticket and it hit. Now, you either traded him away at a much higher value than you originally drafted him, upgrading another position on your team, or you traded away your original RB2/RB3 and "promoted" Slaton, again improving another position on your team, which is what I did (traded E James for D Bowe).So because I am playing with house money, and put $10,000 on black, I am not supposed to care if it comes up red?i was thinking the same thing as facook when watching the game, but lobary is right here. green will not last. and also, slaton has done too much this season to lose his job or be completely supplanted as a goal line back.Slaton owners are playing with house money
That's why I say Slaton owners are playing with house money - it's like you were given an extra 4th round pick on draft day.
Didn't they pretty much alternate drives the whole game? I saw Green getting almost the same number of carries from Q1 to Q4 if I'm not mistaken.I don't buy the "playing with house money" comments. Every team probably has someone that is performing over expectations as well as those playing under. So every team is playing with house money and makes the point moot.The reality is that if they can run the ball with 2 viable backs and it increases their odds of winning, then they probably should. As a Vikes fan, I feel that they should run Taylor and AP just like Houston did. AP is clearly the better back but Taylor would help wear them down so a fresh AP can break the big plays.
bump, and any target ideas if it's the former?
Oscar
Footballguy
After this week against Cincy, I would definitely bench him against the Vikes and the Ravens. I would also bench him when the play the Jags later in the season. He has a nice matchup with Indy in Week 11 where he would be a must start even in the RBBC situation. He also has matchups with Cleveland and Green Bay later in the season too so I don't think you should try to get rid of him unless you are getting a good value. Its tough to gauge because more and more teams are employing the RBBC strategy when both runners are healthy:-Carolina-Tennessee-New Orleans-Oakland-Detroit-Jacksonville-Tampa Bay-SeattleI'm guessing teams like Pitt, Indy, and Denver will too once everybody is healthy.
Mop I can see your viewpoint in Re-draft leagues but some of us do not play that format. I am selling Slaton in TSN salary cap as Green is stealing points. Will start MJD in his place. :disclosure I could pick Westy if he looks healthy in practice.
Warhogs
Footballguy
So Slaton has been between 16 and 22 touches in every game. His touches are pretty darn consistent and it's the rest that has varied from 7-15. I feel comfortable to figure Slaton at 18-20 touches per game and I can live with that.
