**Not-so-offical Green Bay Packers Off-season Thread** (1 Viewer)

[sho nuff]

As for the draft...Ive heard his name before and said Id be ok with it...but watching last night...Id be more than ok with drafting Gerald McCoy.

Oh hell yes...

Especially with a new DC who may run some hybrid defenses and use some 3-4. McCoy seems like he could play both DT in a 4-3 or DE in a 3-4.The play he made towards the sidelines last night shedding blockers was great...as was the drop back into coverage on the one blitz and getting the INT.

 

[Kleck]

10/10 Packer Update

SHHH..HERE'S WHAT WE'RE HEARING

We've yet to speak to a single person who doesn't expect Mike Nolan to be Green Bay's next defensive coordinator. The feeling around the league is that Gregg Williams was interviewed simply to appease Ted Thompson.....

Regardless of who's running the defense next season, don’t look for Brady Poppinga to be a starter. Thompson expected the veteran outside linebacker to continue to improve in 2008, but his game clearly plateaued.....

The Packers came thisclose to releasing pass rush specialist Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila before the start of the regular season. The same mistake won't be made with Chad Clifton. The coaches will keep a close eye on the 32-year-old left tackle from the start of offseason workouts in March to the final exhibition game in August and make sure that an adequate replacement is already on the roster.....

And finally, defensive tackle Colin Cole turned down a three-year deal worth over $7 million in December. Don't expect the Packers to be quite so generous with future offers now that the deadline has passed for teams to use 2008 cap room on player salaries.

A few interesting notes/rumors...

 

[CletiusMaximus]

10/10 Packer Update

SHHH..HERE'S WHAT WE'RE HEARING

We've yet to speak to a single person who doesn't expect Mike Nolan to be Green Bay's next defensive coordinator. The feeling around the league is that Gregg Williams was interviewed simply to appease Ted Thompson.....

This is a strange comment. I wouldn't expect that TT loses many battles with Mike McCarthy, especially after this past season.

 

[VTjkru]

Maybe it means that McCarthy wanted Nolan from the get go but Ted wanted him to just get a feel for other coaches. I doubt it though, haha

 

[Mr Anonymous]

If you go to NFL.com > News > Blogs > Adam Schefter...he has a post on it saying Sean McDermot from Philly is the leading candidate to be the Packers DC.

Before he became the Ravens’ head coach, John Harbaugh was the Eagles’ defensive backs and special teams coach.Now the Eagles’ current special-teams coach, Sean McDermott, is a leading candidate to become the Packers’ next defensive coordinator.Green Bay already has interviewed former 49ers head coach Mike Nolan and former Bills head coach Gregg Williams for its vacant defensive coordinator job. Yet the man the Packers might wind up with is coaching today against the Giants.McDermott is a logical choice. Few staffs have produced the quality of coaches that Philadelphia’s has. Giants defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo, who’s interviewing for head-coaching jobs, is a former Eagles linebackers coach.Harbaugh was with the Eagles just last season. And now McDermott could be the next Eagles assistant to move on to bigger and better things.

 

[Mr.Pack]

If you go to NFL.com > News > Blogs > Adam Schefter...he has a post on it saying Sean McDermot from Philly is the leading candidate to be the Packers DC.

Before he became the Ravens’ head coach, John Harbaugh was the Eagles’ defensive backs and special teams coach.Now the Eagles’ current special-teams coach, Sean McDermott, is a leading candidate to become the Packers’ next defensive coordinator.Green Bay already has interviewed former 49ers head coach Mike Nolan and former Bills head coach Gregg Williams for its vacant defensive coordinator job. Yet the man the Packers might wind up with is coaching today against the Giants.McDermott is a logical choice. Few staffs have produced the quality of coaches that Philadelphia’s has. Giants defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo, who’s interviewing for head-coaching jobs, is a former Eagles linebackers coach.Harbaugh was with the Eagles just last season. And now McDermott could be the next Eagles assistant to move on to bigger and better things.

This is why there hasn't been a DC named yet. I believe McDermott will be the man.

 

[Kleck]

If you go to NFL.com > News > Blogs > Adam Schefter...he has a post on it saying Sean McDermot from Philly is the leading candidate to be the Packers DC.

Before he became the Ravens’ head coach, John Harbaugh was the Eagles’ defensive backs and special teams coach.Now the Eagles’ current special-teams coach, Sean McDermott, is a leading candidate to become the Packers’ next defensive coordinator.Green Bay already has interviewed former 49ers head coach Mike Nolan and former Bills head coach Gregg Williams for its vacant defensive coordinator job. Yet the man the Packers might wind up with is coaching today against the Giants.McDermott is a logical choice. Few staffs have produced the quality of coaches that Philadelphia’s has. Giants defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo, who’s interviewing for head-coaching jobs, is a former Eagles linebackers coach.Harbaugh was with the Eagles just last season. And now McDermott could be the next Eagles assistant to move on to bigger and better things.

This is why there hasn't been a DC named yet. I believe McDermott will be the man.

I love that Jim Johnson defense, and McDermott seems to be a great understudy of him.Between Williams, Nolan and McDemott, I'd be happy with any one of them.

 

[Kleck]

Maybe it means that McCarthy wanted Nolan from the get go but Ted wanted him to just get a feel for other coaches. I doubt it though, haha

Could be. It wouldn't surprise me if MM had his favorite from the beginning, and TT is just trying to make sure they go through the whole process. You can assume a lot from that Packer Update comment. I've read a few comments/opinions recently stating that Nolan would be much easier for MM to work with too. Nolan would be the D guy, but MM could still have a say in some things about the defense, or at least be heard if he did have a suggestion. Where as Williams tends to like to be left alone and run the defense his way. That's kind of how it was in Washington under Gibbs.

 

[Aaronstory]

Maybe it means that McCarthy wanted Nolan from the get go but Ted wanted him to just get a feel for other coaches. I doubt it though, haha

Could be. It wouldn't surprise me if MM had his favorite from the beginning, and TT is just trying to make sure they go through the whole process. You can assume a lot from that Packer Update comment.

I've read a few comments/opinions recently stating that Nolan would be much easier for MM to work with too. Nolan would be the D guy, but MM could still have a say in some things about the defense, or at least be heard if he did have a suggestion. Where as Williams tends to like to be left alone and run the defense his way. That's kind of how it was in Washington under Gibbs.

So much for Nolan.I'm actually quite glad. Outside of a few years with Baltimore (where he was handed Marvin Lewis' D) Nolan has not exactly distinguished himself. I would not mind Williams, McDermott or even Dom Capers.

 

[sho nuff]

Nolan would not have bothered me, but I liked Williams better.

Just hope we don't wait too long and try and get McDermott but miss out on him too and just settle for Moss.

 

[bcr8f]

Maybe it means that McCarthy wanted Nolan from the get go but Ted wanted him to just get a feel for other coaches. I doubt it though, haha

Could be. It wouldn't surprise me if MM had his favorite from the beginning, and TT is just trying to make sure they go through the whole process. You can assume a lot from that Packer Update comment.

I've read a few comments/opinions recently stating that Nolan would be much easier for MM to work with too. Nolan would be the D guy, but MM could still have a say in some things about the defense, or at least be heard if he did have a suggestion. Where as Williams tends to like to be left alone and run the defense his way. That's kind of how it was in Washington under Gibbs.

So much for Nolan.I'm actually quite glad. Outside of a few years with Baltimore (where he was handed Marvin Lewis' D) Nolan has not exactly distinguished himself. I would not mind Williams, McDermott or even Dom Capers.

I'd still contact Jim Bates or even Jeremy Bates.

 

[Aaronstory]

Maybe it means that McCarthy wanted Nolan from the get go but Ted wanted him to just get a feel for other coaches. I doubt it though, haha

Could be. It wouldn't surprise me if MM had his favorite from the beginning, and TT is just trying to make sure they go through the whole process. You can assume a lot from that Packer Update comment.

I've read a few comments/opinions recently stating that Nolan would be much easier for MM to work with too. Nolan would be the D guy, but MM could still have a say in some things about the defense, or at least be heard if he did have a suggestion. Where as Williams tends to like to be left alone and run the defense his way. That's kind of how it was in Washington under Gibbs.

So much for Nolan.I'm actually quite glad. Outside of a few years with Baltimore (where he was handed Marvin Lewis' D) Nolan has not exactly distinguished himself. I would not mind Williams, McDermott or even Dom Capers.

I'd still contact Jim Bates or even Jeremy Bates.

I was writing that back in October...

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

Maybe it means that McCarthy wanted Nolan from the get go but Ted wanted him to just get a feel for other coaches. I doubt it though, haha

Could be. It wouldn't surprise me if MM had his favorite from the beginning, and TT is just trying to make sure they go through the whole process. You can assume a lot from that Packer Update comment.

I've read a few comments/opinions recently stating that Nolan would be much easier for MM to work with too. Nolan would be the D guy, but MM could still have a say in some things about the defense, or at least be heard if he did have a suggestion. Where as Williams tends to like to be left alone and run the defense his way. That's kind of how it was in Washington under Gibbs.

So much for Nolan.I'm actually quite glad. Outside of a few years with Baltimore (where he was handed Marvin Lewis' D) Nolan has not exactly distinguished himself. I would not mind Williams, McDermott or even Dom Capers.

I'd still contact Jim Bates or even Jeremy Bates.

What???So we can continue to run his crapass scheme for another few years?

 

[Aaronstory]

Maybe it means that McCarthy wanted Nolan from the get go but Ted wanted him to just get a feel for other coaches. I doubt it though, haha

Could be. It wouldn't surprise me if MM had his favorite from the beginning, and TT is just trying to make sure they go through the whole process. You can assume a lot from that Packer Update comment.

I've read a few comments/opinions recently stating that Nolan would be much easier for MM to work with too. Nolan would be the D guy, but MM could still have a say in some things about the defense, or at least be heard if he did have a suggestion. Where as Williams tends to like to be left alone and run the defense his way. That's kind of how it was in Washington under Gibbs.

So much for Nolan.I'm actually quite glad. Outside of a few years with Baltimore (where he was handed Marvin Lewis' D) Nolan has not exactly distinguished himself. I would not mind Williams, McDermott or even Dom Capers.

I'd still contact Jim Bates or even Jeremy Bates.

What???So we can continue to run his crapass scheme for another few years?

The scheme is fine when run by a competent coordinator.

 

[VTjkru]

Maybe it means that McCarthy wanted Nolan from the get go but Ted wanted him to just get a feel for other coaches. I doubt it though, haha

Could be. It wouldn't surprise me if MM had his favorite from the beginning, and TT is just trying to make sure they go through the whole process. You can assume a lot from that Packer Update comment.

I've read a few comments/opinions recently stating that Nolan would be much easier for MM to work with too. Nolan would be the D guy, but MM could still have a say in some things about the defense, or at least be heard if he did have a suggestion. Where as Williams tends to like to be left alone and run the defense his way. That's kind of how it was in Washington under Gibbs.

So much for Nolan.I'm actually quite glad. Outside of a few years with Baltimore (where he was handed Marvin Lewis' D) Nolan has not exactly distinguished himself. I would not mind Williams, McDermott or even Dom Capers.

I'd still contact Jim Bates or even Jeremy Bates.

What???So we can continue to run his crapass scheme for another few years?

The scheme is fine when run by a competent coordinator.

I dont like it, requires too many "working parts" for it to be effective. The Packers dont have a lot of MVP impact players on defense, but a lot of solid players who have specific skill sets and those are needed for that type of defense to be effective. You lose those guys and the defense becomes a sieve.

 

[Aaronstory]

Maybe it means that McCarthy wanted Nolan from the get go but Ted wanted him to just get a feel for other coaches. I doubt it though, haha

Could be. It wouldn't surprise me if MM had his favorite from the beginning, and TT is just trying to make sure they go through the whole process. You can assume a lot from that Packer Update comment.

I've read a few comments/opinions recently stating that Nolan would be much easier for MM to work with too. Nolan would be the D guy, but MM could still have a say in some things about the defense, or at least be heard if he did have a suggestion. Where as Williams tends to like to be left alone and run the defense his way. That's kind of how it was in Washington under Gibbs.

So much for Nolan.I'm actually quite glad. Outside of a few years with Baltimore (where he was handed Marvin Lewis' D) Nolan has not exactly distinguished himself. I would not mind Williams, McDermott or even Dom Capers.

I'd still contact Jim Bates or even Jeremy Bates.

What???So we can continue to run his crapass scheme for another few years?

The scheme is fine when run by a competent coordinator.

I dont like it, requires too many "working parts" for it to be effective. The Packers dont have a lot of MVP impact players on defense, but a lot of solid players who have specific skill sets and those are needed for that type of defense to be effective. You lose those guys and the defense becomes a sieve.

The scheme is fine when run by a competent coordinator. <_<

 

[bcr8f]

What???So we can continue to run his crapass scheme for another few years?

I said contact not hire. This sounds like the idiots in washington who say talking to people is appeasement. Bates did fine here and in Miami but not in Denver. His replacement didn't do well in Denver either. Perhaps it's the players or lack of them that was the problem. Tackling RB's 5 yards past the LOS doesn't work too well.

 

[Kleck]

What???

So we can continue to run his crapass scheme for another few years?

I said contact not hire. This sounds like the idiots in washington who say talking to people is appeasement. Bates did fine here and in Miami but not in Denver. His replacement didn't do well in Denver either. Perhaps it's the players or lack of them that was the problem. Tackling RB's 5 yards past the LOS doesn't work too well.

I wouldn't doubt that it's the personnel. Bates' system relies heavily on the D-Line, creating a 4 man rush and filling the run gaps. With what the Packers had to work with this year, I'm not sure Bates himself could have done a whole lot better.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

Tackling RB's 5 yards past the LOS

Wait, you're allowed to tackle them sooner? We better get someone who is aware of this rule.

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

What???So we can continue to run his crapass scheme for another few years?

I said contact not hire. This sounds like the idiots in washington who say talking to people is appeasement. Bates did fine here and in Miami but not in Denver. His replacement didn't do well in Denver either. Perhaps it's the players or lack of them that was the problem. Tackling RB's 5 yards past the LOS doesn't work too well.

Personally, I've seen enough of the Bates scheme. Since 2005 when Bates was the defensive coordinator, the Packers have finished:22nd6th25th19thThats not good. Meanwhile, the Eagles under Jim Johnson since 1999 have finished:4th9th15th27th2nd7th2nd2nd4th22ndI would acknowledge the Eagles have had more talent on D over that stretch. However, how much of that was due to Jim Johnsons pressure scheme? They had some great DBs (kinda like the Packers do), Jeremiah Trotter and Hugh Douglas. Nothing in the front seven exactly going to Canton. I have seen enough of Bates scheme. Give me McDermott or Williams. Lets get some pressure on the QB.

 

[Aaronstory]

As for the draft...Ive heard his name before and said Id be ok with it...but watching last night...Id be more than ok with drafting Gerald McCoy.

Oh hell yes...

(sigh)

 

[VTjkru]

As for the draft...Ive heard his name before and said Id be ok with it...but watching last night...Id be more than ok with drafting Gerald McCoy.

Oh hell yes...

(sigh)

Love this quote in the comments section: "It's just as well. He's certainly no Justin Harrell."

 

[hauser42]

Maybe it means that McCarthy wanted Nolan from the get go but Ted wanted him to just get a feel for other coaches. I doubt it though, haha

Could be. It wouldn't surprise me if MM had his favorite from the beginning, and TT is just trying to make sure they go through the whole process. You can assume a lot from that Packer Update comment.

I've read a few comments/opinions recently stating that Nolan would be much easier for MM to work with too. Nolan would be the D guy, but MM could still have a say in some things about the defense, or at least be heard if he did have a suggestion. Where as Williams tends to like to be left alone and run the defense his way. That's kind of how it was in Washington under Gibbs.

So much for Nolan.I'm actually quite glad. Outside of a few years with Baltimore (where he was handed Marvin Lewis' D) Nolan has not exactly distinguished himself. I would not mind Williams, McDermott or even Dom Capers.

I'd still contact Jim Bates or even Jeremy Bates.

What???So we can continue to run his crapass scheme for another few years?

The scheme is fine when run by a competent coordinator.

Sorry that you bought into the myth that Jim Bates's scheme works or that he is a good coach. His defenses struggle to get off the field on 3rd down because a lack of pass rush or in ability to provide pressure from blitzes. As the season wore on his defenses struggled more and more.The NFL has caught up with this very vanilla scheme. Teams have tons of footage of the scheme and how it works and are well prepared for it now. The lack of flexibilty is a big reason it is a shoddy scheme and going by the books.

Everyone loves Bates because he was such a rah rah guy. To this day I never understood why he was even being considered for the head job in GB. He would have been the last guy I would have hired to put in charge of the team.

 

[Kleck]

Anyone catch TMJ4 tonight? Supposedly they reported that Nolan was offered the job, but wanted to stay closer to the west coast and couldn't see himself living in Green Bay.

Also seeing rumors that the Raiders contacted McCarthy about interviewing Moss for their DC position, and McCarthy turned them down.

 

[sho nuff]

Anyone catch TMJ4 tonight? Supposedly they reported that Nolan was offered the job, but wanted to stay closer to the west coast and couldn't see himself living in Green Bay.Also seeing rumors that the Raiders contacted McCarthy about interviewing Moss for their DC position, and McCarthy turned them down.

Well, he did end up talking to the Raiders.McCarthy apparently did turn them down, but the ruls stipulate that they have to let people talk about head coaching jobs.Maybe he was trying to protect Moss from making the mistake of working for Al Davis.

 

[sho nuff]

As for the draft...Ive heard his name before and said Id be ok with it...but watching last night...Id be more than ok with drafting Gerald McCoy.

Oh hell yes...

(sigh)

Yeah...I read that.I know we should be more supportive of such decisions from college kids...but not sure how you turn down being a top 15 pick (probably top 10) and go back to school at such a physical position like that. He is risking millions of dollars.

 

[sho nuff]

Anyone catch TMJ4 tonight? Supposedly they reported that Nolan was offered the job, but wanted to stay closer to the west coast and couldn't see himself living in Green Bay.Also seeing rumors that the Raiders contacted McCarthy about interviewing Moss for their DC position, and McCarthy turned them down.

Well, he did end up talking to the Raiders.McCarthy apparently did turn them down, but the ruls stipulate that they have to let people talk about head coaching jobs.Maybe he was trying to protect Moss from making the mistake of working for Al Davis.

Correcting myself...McCarthy did reject the Raiders from contacting him about being DC...but let them interview him as a HC (though, the Raiders seemingly still interviewed him more for a DC type position).The Packers would still need to give permission, I believe I read, for him to become DC in Oakland.

 

[griz145389]

This search for a dc is really starting to annoy me. It seems that the Packers are having trouble finding spmeone willing to come in and be the dc.

 

[sho nuff]

This search for a dc is really starting to annoy me. It seems that the Packers are having trouble finding spmeone willing to come in and be the dc.

Why? Because Nolan and Williams went elsewhere?Capers may go elsewhere...might have absolutely nothing to do with GB. He and Coughlin are good friends or Jerry Jones may end up throwing huge $$$ at him.Plus, 2 guys they really want to talk to are unavailable right now in McDermott and Butler.Im just glad so far they have not hired Haslet or just fell back on Moss.

 

[griz145389]

This search for a dc is really starting to annoy me. It seems that the Packers are having trouble finding spmeone willing to come in and be the dc.

Why? Because Nolan and Williams went elsewhere?Capers may go elsewhere...might have absolutely nothing to do with GB. He and Coughlin are good friends or Jerry Jones may end up throwing huge $$$ at him.Plus, 2 guys they really want to talk to are unavailable right now in McDermott and Butler.Im just glad so far they have not hired Haslet or just fell back on Moss.

Maybe the question that should be asked is how attractive is the GB DC position? The team just went 6-10. The head coach could be on the hot seat, which can also affect the long term viability of any coordinator that is hired. There are huge holes on the line. While Harris and Woodson have been good, they aren't exactly spring chickens and their backups haven't really proven much. Ted Thompson isn't exactly known to go out and pick up free agents to fix holes. Ted Thompson and Green Bay don't usually pay a lot of money out to staff. Green Bay is not exactly in the media spotlight, so that also hurts anyone that would want to make a name for themselves. Moss is still around, which might not sit well with a new DC. I would have been very happy with a Williams hiring. I also would be very happy with a Capers hiring. The way it has been going though, it is looking more and more like we will be going with either Haslett or Moss. To me, the Packers situation is not one that a guy like Williams or Capers would choose.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

if you like it then you shoulda put a ring on it

 

[Mario Kart]

Green Bay is not very enticing right now. The coaching staff is in limbo coming off the year they did. The players and the depth are in limbo as well, especially on defense. A couple injuries next year, similar to this year, and the coordinator will be thrown under the bus. Right now, Green Bay is a good chance for a no name to make a name for himself. I don't think the Packers land any of the names out there right now and I think there is a greater than 50% chance that Moss gets the nod.

 

[sho nuff]

This search for a dc is really starting to annoy me. It seems that the Packers are having trouble finding spmeone willing to come in and be the dc.

Why? Because Nolan and Williams went elsewhere?Capers may go elsewhere...might have absolutely nothing to do with GB. He and Coughlin are good friends or Jerry Jones may end up throwing huge $$$ at him.Plus, 2 guys they really want to talk to are unavailable right now in McDermott and Butler.Im just glad so far they have not hired Haslet or just fell back on Moss.

Maybe the question that should be asked is how attractive is the GB DC position? The team just went 6-10. The head coach could be on the hot seat, which can also affect the long term viability of any coordinator that is hired. There are huge holes on the line. While Harris and Woodson have been good, they aren't exactly spring chickens and their backups haven't really proven much. Ted Thompson isn't exactly known to go out and pick up free agents to fix holes. Ted Thompson and Green Bay don't usually pay a lot of money out to staff. Green Bay is not exactly in the media spotlight, so that also hurts anyone that would want to make a name for themselves. Moss is still around, which might not sit well with a new DC. I would have been very happy with a Williams hiring. I also would be very happy with a Capers hiring. The way it has been going though, it is looking more and more like we will be going with either Haslett or Moss. To me, the Packers situation is not one that a guy like Williams or Capers would choose.

Now...better question.You would think that a guy like Williams or Capers would chose it if they have head coaching aspirations. Show what they can do and if McCarthy gets the axe, they may be in line for the HC job.IMO, its harder to pull in a younger guy like McDermott with that situation of McC being on the hot seat.I would have been happy with Williams or Capers...but from the start McDermott has got alot of talk here, as have guys like Butler and a few of the other younger up and comers.And I hope its not Haslet or Moss. We will see.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

This search for a dc is really starting to annoy me. It seems that the Packers are having trouble finding spmeone willing to come in and be the dc.

Did they make an offer to anyone yet? I thought I read they made an offer to Williams, but don't recall seeing whether they offered the job to anyone else yet, and am not entirely certain about the Williams offer. I keep hearing and reading about them "losing out" on the guys they want, but I don't believe anyone with the team has confirmed that.

 

[Stinger Ray]

This search for a dc is really starting to annoy me. It seems that the Packers are having trouble finding spmeone willing to come in and be the dc.

Did they make an offer to anyone yet? I thought I read they made an offer to Williams, but don't recall seeing whether they offered the job to anyone else yet, and am not entirely certain about the Williams offer. I keep hearing and reading about them "losing out" on the guys they want, but I don't believe anyone with the team has confirmed that.

Does it matter if they made an offer? If they made an offer and it was turned down they lost out. If they didn't make an offer they let two highly sought out defensive coordinators walk away. Now it looks like Dom Capers may be the next candidate that they will not get as it appears he is headed to the Giants.

 

[Stinger Ray]

This search for a dc is really starting to annoy me. It seems that the Packers are having trouble finding spmeone willing to come in and be the dc.

Why? Because Nolan and Williams went elsewhere?

Nolan and Williams going elsewhere would be a sign they are having trouble finding someone to come in. Here is a quote from Michael Hunt at JS Online....

Even if Ted Thompson rearranges the hemorrhaging front seven through free agency and the draft, McCarthy has lost a lot of credibility by the way he fired most of the defensive staff and has subsequently failed to land his first two choices to coordinate the unit. It's difficult to imagine top-shelf defensive assistants coming to Green Bay now that McCarthy has the quick-trigger rep.

From Bob McGinn....

From every appearance, McCarthy tried to hire either Mike Nolan or the distinguished Gregg Williams as his next defensive coordinator. He also interviewed Bill Johnson, a highly regarded defensive line coach. But now all three have accepted other jobs.

Several coaches said they'd be leery of McCarthy now because if he fired a bunch of guys once he'd surely do it again. That's the terrible reputation Jack Del Rio has earned in Jacksonville.

The Green Bay Packers look as bad right now as they have in almost 20 years, with a head coach fresh off a firing frenzy unprecedented in team history and some of his peers across the league wondering how in the world this could be happening in such a stable franchise.

Mike McCarthy's decision to dump eight assistant coaches, including three of four coordinators, casts serious doubt on his ability to hire good coaches as well as the Packers' ability to attract top-flight replacements.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

oh no im upset

 

[CletiusMaximus]

This search for a dc is really starting to annoy me. It seems that the Packers are having trouble finding spmeone willing to come in and be the dc.

Did they make an offer to anyone yet? I thought I read they made an offer to Williams, but don't recall seeing whether they offered the job to anyone else yet, and am not entirely certain about the Williams offer. I keep hearing and reading about them "losing out" on the guys they want, but I don't believe anyone with the team has confirmed that.

Does it matter if they made an offer? If they made an offer and it was turned down they lost out. If they didn't make an offer they let two highly sought out defensive coordinators walk away. Now it looks like Dom Capers may be the next candidate that they will not get as it appears he is headed to the Giants.

It makes a huge difference whether or not they made an offer, when claiming they "lost out" on someone. If they interviewed Nolan and Williams but then didn't offer them the job, then they didn't "lose out" on anything regardless of whether a few sports journalists think those guys are great. The fact is Nolan and Williams are both available because they both failed and were fired. Hunt refers to Nolan and Williams as McCarthy's "first two choices", but I think he's assuming that. And McGinn makes the very vague comment, "From every appearance, McCarthy tried to hire either Mike Nolan or the distinguished Gregg Williams as his next defensive coordinator." What the hell does that mean - "from every appearance"? I think it means, "I'm guessing".I'm concerned with some of the issues McGinn raises (of course we all know McGinn's style though), but am just wondering if anyone has reported that an offer was made and turned down for an equal or worse offer elsewhere. If coaches were turning McCarthy/Thompson down to take the same or less money elsewhere, then there would be good reason for concern with the coaching situation.

 

[hauser42]

This search for a dc is really starting to annoy me. It seems that the Packers are having trouble finding spmeone willing to come in and be the dc.

Why? Because Nolan and Williams went elsewhere?

Nolan and Williams going elsewhere would be a sign they are having trouble finding someone to come in. Here is a quote from Michael Hunt at JS Online....

Even if Ted Thompson rearranges the hemorrhaging front seven through free agency and the draft, McCarthy has lost a lot of credibility by the way he fired most of the defensive staff and has subsequently failed to land his first two choices to coordinate the unit. It's difficult to imagine top-shelf defensive assistants coming to Green Bay now that McCarthy has the quick-trigger rep.

From Bob McGinn....

From every appearance, McCarthy tried to hire either Mike Nolan or the distinguished Gregg Williams as his next defensive coordinator. He also interviewed Bill Johnson, a highly regarded defensive line coach. But now all three have accepted other jobs.

Several coaches said they'd be leery of McCarthy now because if he fired a bunch of guys once he'd surely do it again. That's the terrible reputation Jack Del Rio has earned in Jacksonville.

The Green Bay Packers look as bad right now as they have in almost 20 years, with a head coach fresh off a firing frenzy unprecedented in team history and some of his peers across the league wondering how in the world this could be happening in such a stable franchise.

Mike McCarthy's decision to dump eight assistant coaches, including three of four coordinators, casts serious doubt on his ability to hire good coaches as well as the Packers' ability to attract top-flight replacements.

Typical McGinn article as he has ripped on TT ever since his cash cow was shown the door prior to this season. For the last year it has been pretty hard to take any writer for his word when it comes to the Packers. Local writers took sides from the get go and have been bashing one side or the other.McCarthy needed to do something as the D was not getting the job done last year. IMO it has been a bad scheme since Jim Bates brough it in. Main reason Sanders was hired was to keep the scheme when McCarthy came and that is why Sanders got the job.

McGinn and the local reporters should be asked why they never wrote an article that Favre was dressing away from the team for a couple of years before he left the Packers. A player not dressing with his teammates to me is a pretty good story no matter what is going on. But no one wanted to stir up a little bit of news and actually do some thinking on their own. McGinn, Havel, and Wilde all should be ashamed to call themselves Packer writers for the lack of info they have given Packer fans.

 

[Stinger Ray]

This search for a dc is really starting to annoy me. It seems that the Packers are having trouble finding spmeone willing to come in and be the dc.

Did they make an offer to anyone yet? I thought I read they made an offer to Williams, but don't recall seeing whether they offered the job to anyone else yet, and am not entirely certain about the Williams offer. I keep hearing and reading about them "losing out" on the guys they want, but I don't believe anyone with the team has confirmed that.

Does it matter if they made an offer? If they made an offer and it was turned down they lost out. If they didn't make an offer they let two highly sought out defensive coordinators walk away. Now it looks like Dom Capers may be the next candidate that they will not get as it appears he is headed to the Giants.

If coaches were turning McCarthy/Thompson down to take the same or less money elsewhere, then there would be good reason for concern with the coaching situation.

From McGinn..."Several coaches said they'd be leery of McCarthy now because if he fired a bunch of guys once he'd surely do it again. That's the terrible reputation Jack Del Rio has earned in Jacksonville."

It looks like Nolan received an offer from the Packers.

"Former 49ers coach Mike Nolan reportedly joined McDaniels’ staff as defensive coordinator. Nolan turned down the Green Bay Packers’ offer to become defensive coordinator, said a source close to Nolan."

http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20090..._search_goes_on

And it appears an offer was made to Williams.

"Williams, on the other hand, still was considering joining the Packers as of early Monday evening, two NFL sources said"

http://www.thenorthwestern.com/article/200...30469/0/Varsity

 

[griz145389]

This search for a dc is really starting to annoy me. It seems that the Packers are having trouble finding spmeone willing to come in and be the dc.

Did they make an offer to anyone yet? I thought I read they made an offer to Williams, but don't recall seeing whether they offered the job to anyone else yet, and am not entirely certain about the Williams offer. I keep hearing and reading about them "losing out" on the guys they want, but I don't believe anyone with the team has confirmed that.

Does it matter if they made an offer? If they made an offer and it was turned down they lost out. If they didn't make an offer they let two highly sought out defensive coordinators walk away. Now it looks like Dom Capers may be the next candidate that they will not get as it appears he is headed to the Giants.

It makes a huge difference whether or not they made an offer, when claiming they "lost out" on someone. If they interviewed Nolan and Williams but then didn't offer them the job, then they didn't "lose out" on anything regardless of whether a few sports journalists think those guys are great. The fact is Nolan and Williams are both available because they both failed and were fired. Hunt refers to Nolan and Williams as McCarthy's "first two choices", but I think he's assuming that. And McGinn makes the very vague comment, "From every appearance, McCarthy tried to hire either Mike Nolan or the distinguished Gregg Williams as his next defensive coordinator." What the hell does that mean - "from every appearance"? I think it means, "I'm guessing".I'm concerned with some of the issues McGinn raises (of course we all know McGinn's style though), but am just wondering if anyone has reported that an offer was made and turned down for an equal or worse offer elsewhere. If coaches were turning McCarthy/Thompson down to take the same or less money elsewhere, then there would be good reason for concern with the coaching situation.

The thing is that appearances are very important. People are going to look at that. After all you can never be sure about what is going on behind closed doors, but it does appear that the Packers already lost out on 2 coaches. Regardless of what actually happened, that is what appeared to happen. You can sit here and argue all day that we will never know what really happened, but the fact remains that it appears that the Packers first two choices declined and went elsewhere. Another comment I have been hearing from some people is that they want Mccarthy to interview every possible candidate before making a decision. While that sounds great, the reality is if you don't make an offer on someone, another team will.

 

[sho nuff]

This search for a dc is really starting to annoy me. It seems that the Packers are having trouble finding spmeone willing to come in and be the dc.

Did they make an offer to anyone yet? I thought I read they made an offer to Williams, but don't recall seeing whether they offered the job to anyone else yet, and am not entirely certain about the Williams offer. I keep hearing and reading about them "losing out" on the guys they want, but I don't believe anyone with the team has confirmed that.

Does it matter if they made an offer? If they made an offer and it was turned down they lost out. If they didn't make an offer they let two highly sought out defensive coordinators walk away. Now it looks like Dom Capers may be the next candidate that they will not get as it appears he is headed to the Giants.

It makes a huge difference whether or not they made an offer, when claiming they "lost out" on someone. If they interviewed Nolan and Williams but then didn't offer them the job, then they didn't "lose out" on anything regardless of whether a few sports journalists think those guys are great. The fact is Nolan and Williams are both available because they both failed and were fired. Hunt refers to Nolan and Williams as McCarthy's "first two choices", but I think he's assuming that. And McGinn makes the very vague comment, "From every appearance, McCarthy tried to hire either Mike Nolan or the distinguished Gregg Williams as his next defensive coordinator." What the hell does that mean - "from every appearance"? I think it means, "I'm guessing".I'm concerned with some of the issues McGinn raises (of course we all know McGinn's style though), but am just wondering if anyone has reported that an offer was made and turned down for an equal or worse offer elsewhere. If coaches were turning McCarthy/Thompson down to take the same or less money elsewhere, then there would be good reason for concern with the coaching situation.

The thing is that appearances are very important. People are going to look at that. After all you can never be sure about what is going on behind closed doors, but it does appear that the Packers already lost out on 2 coaches. Regardless of what actually happened, that is what appeared to happen. You can sit here and argue all day that we will never know what really happened, but the fact remains that it appears that the Packers first two choices declined and went elsewhere. Another comment I have been hearing from some people is that they want Mccarthy to interview every possible candidate before making a decision. While that sounds great, the reality is if you don't make an offer on someone, another team will.

No, IMO it does not look like they declined GB at this point.And while I agree it does not look good that McCarthy fired all these coaches and some might not like that (the guy's McGinn mentioned...who actually said that.Was it Nolan? Williams? or anyone GB would even care about their opinion of the situation?And also funny that all over the place people wanted most of these guys fired...now that they have been fired, people are complaining that they were fired and that its making the job less enticing? Pretty much proving that there is nothing TT and McCArthy can do to please some people.In addition, plenty of people blased the Nolan choice, and now that he went elsewhere, people are blasting TT for not getting him. Too freakin funny.I wanted Williams, thought it would have been a very good hire...thought alot of him while he was here in TN. But its not the end of the world that a guy who led a bad defense last year did not get hired here.Capers? Sure, would be nice to have him, but its not a huge knock on GB if he choses to go work for the Giants.I think its been clear TT and McCarthy were not just going to go out and sign the first guy they interviewed. I think we are all thankfull TT did not do that with a HC like Minny seemed to.I think its also clear they have wanted to talk to several guys that are still in the playoffs and were not going to jump up with huge offers before that.

 

[Stinger Ray]

This search for a dc is really starting to annoy me. It seems that the Packers are having trouble finding spmeone willing to come in and be the dc.

Did they make an offer to anyone yet? I thought I read they made an offer to Williams, but don't recall seeing whether they offered the job to anyone else yet, and am not entirely certain about the Williams offer. I keep hearing and reading about them "losing out" on the guys they want, but I don't believe anyone with the team has confirmed that.

Does it matter if they made an offer? If they made an offer and it was turned down they lost out. If they didn't make an offer they let two highly sought out defensive coordinators walk away. Now it looks like Dom Capers may be the next candidate that they will not get as it appears he is headed to the Giants.

It makes a huge difference whether or not they made an offer, when claiming they "lost out" on someone. If they interviewed Nolan and Williams but then didn't offer them the job, then they didn't "lose out" on anything regardless of whether a few sports journalists think those guys are great. The fact is Nolan and Williams are both available because they both failed and were fired. Hunt refers to Nolan and Williams as McCarthy's "first two choices", but I think he's assuming that. And McGinn makes the very vague comment, "From every appearance, McCarthy tried to hire either Mike Nolan or the distinguished Gregg Williams as his next defensive coordinator." What the hell does that mean - "from every appearance"? I think it means, "I'm guessing".I'm concerned with some of the issues McGinn raises (of course we all know McGinn's style though), but am just wondering if anyone has reported that an offer was made and turned down for an equal or worse offer elsewhere. If coaches were turning McCarthy/Thompson down to take the same or less money elsewhere, then there would be good reason for concern with the coaching situation.

The thing is that appearances are very important. People are going to look at that. After all you can never be sure about what is going on behind closed doors, but it does appear that the Packers already lost out on 2 coaches. Regardless of what actually happened, that is what appeared to happen. You can sit here and argue all day that we will never know what really happened, but the fact remains that it appears that the Packers first two choices declined and went elsewhere. Another comment I have been hearing from some people is that they want Mccarthy to interview every possible candidate before making a decision. While that sounds great, the reality is if you don't make an offer on someone, another team will.

No, IMO it does not look like they declined GB at this point.

How can you even write or believe that? They were both to be reported to be highly sought after by the Packers and there are reports both received offers. That sure seems like they delined GB. Spin away, sho.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

None of this is going to matter if the guy they do get is any good. Sometimes not getting your first choice turns out to be a win (the same goes for players... and, hey, lots of things in life).

 

[griz145389]

This search for a dc is really starting to annoy me. It seems that the Packers are having trouble finding spmeone willing to come in and be the dc.

Did they make an offer to anyone yet? I thought I read they made an offer to Williams, but don't recall seeing whether they offered the job to anyone else yet, and am not entirely certain about the Williams offer. I keep hearing and reading about them "losing out" on the guys they want, but I don't believe anyone with the team has confirmed that.

Does it matter if they made an offer? If they made an offer and it was turned down they lost out. If they didn't make an offer they let two highly sought out defensive coordinators walk away. Now it looks like Dom Capers may be the next candidate that they will not get as it appears he is headed to the Giants.

It makes a huge difference whether or not they made an offer, when claiming they "lost out" on someone. If they interviewed Nolan and Williams but then didn't offer them the job, then they didn't "lose out" on anything regardless of whether a few sports journalists think those guys are great. The fact is Nolan and Williams are both available because they both failed and were fired. Hunt refers to Nolan and Williams as McCarthy's "first two choices", but I think he's assuming that. And McGinn makes the very vague comment, "From every appearance, McCarthy tried to hire either Mike Nolan or the distinguished Gregg Williams as his next defensive coordinator." What the hell does that mean - "from every appearance"? I think it means, "I'm guessing".I'm concerned with some of the issues McGinn raises (of course we all know McGinn's style though), but am just wondering if anyone has reported that an offer was made and turned down for an equal or worse offer elsewhere. If coaches were turning McCarthy/Thompson down to take the same or less money elsewhere, then there would be good reason for concern with the coaching situation.

The thing is that appearances are very important. People are going to look at that. After all you can never be sure about what is going on behind closed doors, but it does appear that the Packers already lost out on 2 coaches. Regardless of what actually happened, that is what appeared to happen. You can sit here and argue all day that we will never know what really happened, but the fact remains that it appears that the Packers first two choices declined and went elsewhere. Another comment I have been hearing from some people is that they want Mccarthy to interview every possible candidate before making a decision. While that sounds great, the reality is if you don't make an offer on someone, another team will.

No, IMO it does not look like they declined GB at this point.And while I agree it does not look good that McCarthy fired all these coaches and some might not like that (the guy's McGinn mentioned...who actually said that.

Was it Nolan? Williams? or anyone GB would even care about their opinion of the situation?

And also funny that all over the place people wanted most of these guys fired...now that they have been fired, people are complaining that they were fired and that its making the job less enticing? Pretty much proving that there is nothing TT and McCArthy can do to please some people.

In addition, plenty of people blased the Nolan choice, and now that he went elsewhere, people are blasting TT for not getting him. Too freakin funny.

I wanted Williams, thought it would have been a very good hire...thought alot of him while he was here in TN. But its not the end of the world that a guy who led a bad defense last year did not get hired here.

Capers? Sure, would be nice to have him, but its not a huge knock on GB if he choses to go work for the Giants.

I think its been clear TT and McCarthy were not just going to go out and sign the first guy they interviewed. I think we are all thankfull TT did not do that with a HC like Minny seemed to.

I think its also clear they have wanted to talk to several guys that are still in the playoffs and were not going to jump up with huge offers before that.

I believe The Packers made the right decision to fire most of the defensive staff. ( I personally would have gotten rid of more people, but that is another story) I am also glad they did not get Nolan. I would have liked Williams, and would like to see Capers, although I don't see him coming into Green Bay. The point remains though that due to the circumstances in Green Bay, the DC job may not be all that attractive to a lot of potential candidates. Will the Packers get a good defensive coordinator? I simply don't know. However it is discouraging that it appears that the people they have been interested in have gone in different directions. That is the point I am getting at here. The way it appears is that Denver was more appealing to Nolan, and New Orleans was more appealing to Williams. That is something that other candidates will consider. It is naive to write it off as having no effect on the search for a DC.

I am of the opinion that unless we pick up 3-4 more guys on defense that will have a significant impact, the defense isn't going to be much better regardless of who the DC is. Unless TT goes completely against everything he has done so far while the general manager and picks up some key free agents, I don't see the Packers getting those players. More likely is that we will add 1 or 2 people that will make a significant impact. As a result, with understanding that next year is imperative for the Packers to do well or MM and TT might be out, any DC that comes in is going to understand that the stability of that job is very much up in the air.

 

[sho nuff]

This search for a dc is really starting to annoy me. It seems that the Packers are having trouble finding spmeone willing to come in and be the dc.

Did they make an offer to anyone yet? I thought I read they made an offer to Williams, but don't recall seeing whether they offered the job to anyone else yet, and am not entirely certain about the Williams offer. I keep hearing and reading about them "losing out" on the guys they want, but I don't believe anyone with the team has confirmed that.

Does it matter if they made an offer? If they made an offer and it was turned down they lost out. If they didn't make an offer they let two highly sought out defensive coordinators walk away. Now it looks like Dom Capers may be the next candidate that they will not get as it appears he is headed to the Giants.

It makes a huge difference whether or not they made an offer, when claiming they "lost out" on someone. If they interviewed Nolan and Williams but then didn't offer them the job, then they didn't "lose out" on anything regardless of whether a few sports journalists think those guys are great. The fact is Nolan and Williams are both available because they both failed and were fired. Hunt refers to Nolan and Williams as McCarthy's "first two choices", but I think he's assuming that. And McGinn makes the very vague comment, "From every appearance, McCarthy tried to hire either Mike Nolan or the distinguished Gregg Williams as his next defensive coordinator." What the hell does that mean - "from every appearance"? I think it means, "I'm guessing".I'm concerned with some of the issues McGinn raises (of course we all know McGinn's style though), but am just wondering if anyone has reported that an offer was made and turned down for an equal or worse offer elsewhere. If coaches were turning McCarthy/Thompson down to take the same or less money elsewhere, then there would be good reason for concern with the coaching situation.

The thing is that appearances are very important. People are going to look at that. After all you can never be sure about what is going on behind closed doors, but it does appear that the Packers already lost out on 2 coaches. Regardless of what actually happened, that is what appeared to happen. You can sit here and argue all day that we will never know what really happened, but the fact remains that it appears that the Packers first two choices declined and went elsewhere. Another comment I have been hearing from some people is that they want Mccarthy to interview every possible candidate before making a decision. While that sounds great, the reality is if you don't make an offer on someone, another team will.

No, IMO it does not look like they declined GB at this point.

How can you even write or believe that? They were both to be reported to be highly sought after by the Packers and there are reports both received offers. That sure seems like they delined GB. Spin away, sho.

There are possible offers...but nothing confirmedat least for Williams.There are reports...but no confirmation from either guy or the team that they received offers.No spin needed, Im leaving that to you as usual.And Im glad Nolan was not the guy.

 

[sho nuff]

Im really not worried about appearances to fans.

I agree the circumstances may lead some away.

There are numerous other reasons why Nolan may have gone to Denver or WIlliams to NO.

Agreed they need some help on D as far as personnel too.

 

[griz145389]

Im really not worried about appearances to fans.I agree the circumstances may lead some away.There are numerous other reasons why Nolan may have gone to Denver or WIlliams to NO.Agreed they need some help on D as far as personnel too.

I am not too worried about appearances to fans. I am worried about appearances to potential candidates. It really doesn't matter why Nolan or Williams went to Denver or New Orleans. The point is that they went somewhere other than Green Bay.

 

[Stinger Ray]

This search for a dc is really starting to annoy me. It seems that the Packers are having trouble finding spmeone willing to come in and be the dc.

Did they make an offer to anyone yet? I thought I read they made an offer to Williams, but don't recall seeing whether they offered the job to anyone else yet, and am not entirely certain about the Williams offer. I keep hearing and reading about them "losing out" on the guys they want, but I don't believe anyone with the team has confirmed that.

Does it matter if they made an offer? If they made an offer and it was turned down they lost out. If they didn't make an offer they let two highly sought out defensive coordinators walk away. Now it looks like Dom Capers may be the next candidate that they will not get as it appears he is headed to the Giants.

It makes a huge difference whether or not they made an offer, when claiming they "lost out" on someone. If they interviewed Nolan and Williams but then didn't offer them the job, then they didn't "lose out" on anything regardless of whether a few sports journalists think those guys are great. The fact is Nolan and Williams are both available because they both failed and were fired. Hunt refers to Nolan and Williams as McCarthy's "first two choices", but I think he's assuming that. And McGinn makes the very vague comment, "From every appearance, McCarthy tried to hire either Mike Nolan or the distinguished Gregg Williams as his next defensive coordinator." What the hell does that mean - "from every appearance"? I think it means, "I'm guessing".I'm concerned with some of the issues McGinn raises (of course we all know McGinn's style though), but am just wondering if anyone has reported that an offer was made and turned down for an equal or worse offer elsewhere. If coaches were turning McCarthy/Thompson down to take the same or less money elsewhere, then there would be good reason for concern with the coaching situation.

The thing is that appearances are very important. People are going to look at that. After all you can never be sure about what is going on behind closed doors, but it does appear that the Packers already lost out on 2 coaches. Regardless of what actually happened, that is what appeared to happen. You can sit here and argue all day that we will never know what really happened, but the fact remains that it appears that the Packers first two choices declined and went elsewhere. Another comment I have been hearing from some people is that they want Mccarthy to interview every possible candidate before making a decision. While that sounds great, the reality is if you don't make an offer on someone, another team will.

No, IMO it does not look like they declined GB at this point.

How can you even write or believe that? They were both to be reported to be highly sought after by the Packers and there are reports both received offers. That sure seems like they delined GB. Spin away, sho.

There are possible offers...but nothing confirmedat least for Williams.There are reports...but no confirmation from either guy or the team that they received offers.No spin needed, Im leaving that to you as usual.And Im glad Nolan was not the guy.

There are sources close to each that they received offers. They are closer to the situation then you are. You can be in denial all you want that they didn't receive an offer from the Packers. That is how you operate.

 

[Mr Anonymous]

If the report a week ago that the Packers liked McDermott most is true, than the fact that they let these others guys take jobs elsewhere shouldn't be a big concern. To me it sounds as though the only way they'd hire someone before having a chance to talk to McDermott was if one of these previous interviewees blew them away.

To me there's no reason to be all that concerned right now. If they can't secure an interview with McDermott, wind up not being impressed by him, or if they are unable to close the deal after interviewing him, then I'll be worried.