This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!
I am not too worried about appearances to fans. I am worried about appearances to potential candidates. It really doesn't matter why Nolan or Williams went to Denver or New Orleans. The point is that they went somewhere other than Green Bay.sho nuff said:
This kills me. No one from the organization has come out and said who the choices were.This is all media speculation. Pathetic bashing.Nolan and Williams going elsewhere would be a sign they are having trouble finding someone to come in.Here is a quote from Michael Hunt at JS Online....
Even if Ted Thompson rearranges the hemorrhaging front seven through free agency and the draft, McCarthy has lost a lot of credibility by the way he fired most of the defensive staff and has subsequently failed to land his first two choices to coordinate the unit. It's difficult to imagine top-shelf defensive assistants coming to Green Bay now that McCarthy has the quick-trigger rep.
Good point. I believe Holmgren was the second and maybe even the third choice.
Maybe they weren't wanted in Green Bay.Once again, please link to where someone in the Packers organization with any credibility came out and said these were the guys they wanted.
Let's not forget that when McCarthy was hired, it was reported by many of the local media that Childress was the Packers choice and Minnesota stole him from the Packers.
I'm sure this was posted somewhere earlier in the thread but back on January 10th Adam Shefter from the NFL network posted on his blog that McDermott was a leading cnadidate.This kills me. No one from the organization has come out and said who the choices were.This is all media speculation. Pathetic bashing.Nolan and Williams going elsewhere would be a sign they are having trouble finding someone to come in.Here is a quote from Michael Hunt at JS Online....
Even if Ted Thompson rearranges the hemorrhaging front seven through free agency and the draft, McCarthy has lost a lot of credibility by the way he fired most of the defensive staff and has subsequently failed to land his first two choices to coordinate the unit. It's difficult to imagine top-shelf defensive assistants coming to Green Bay now that McCarthy has the quick-trigger rep.
I still say the guy is and always has been Sean McDermott. Now that The Eagles are done I expect it to be announced soon.
Shefter blog
So you are going to ignore everthing that was been written by multiple sources and media outlets that Nolan and Williams were high up on the Packers list of potential DCs.
There are sources that state both Nolan and Williams were offered the job not to mention the interviews they had. If Williams and Nolan were not wanted why were they sought after by the Packers?Do you really think at this point anyone in the Packer organization would admit that they made an offer after they took positions with other teams? I thought you were smarter than that.
I really like this idea and that was supposedly what Nolan brought to the table. I like this hire better however.I was hoping McDermott would get an interview, but his services are likely to be highly sought after. Plus, he's probably looking for a staff with a fresh start rather than this situation. With a lot of the vacancies already filled, I could also see him staying put for another year.
Because that is likely to happen. "Hey everyone, we tried to sign two different guys, but guess what they didn't want to be here, so....." No team would ever admit that. Point is that is what appears to have taken place, and it is going to weigh in on other candidates decisions.
Wow! this seems to be a great move! Glad to hear about this. Now if TT will go against his trend and sign a few free agents, maybe, just maybe we can contend next year!
Alot of people were saying that we don't have any players on the current roster that fit in the 3-4, but there are plenty. For starters, Cullen jenkins and Aaron Kampman can both play D End in a 3-4. I am a little leery of Kampman because he really has transformed his body since his Iowa days, but he has a history playing D Tackle. We do need a nose guy.At linebacker, Brady Poppinga fits in as an OLB.
Good point.And browsing the free agent market, there are several role players that could fit in nicely,especially linebackers.
Id say some people may know why they went there more than fans...and that the appearance to us may not be the same as to other coaches as far as them taking other jobs.
Yawn..meanwhile Capers took the job so the last day of the usual TT bashing was pretty much for nothing.
Exactly...I have always liked Johnson's defenses in Philly and wanted to see McDermott given a shot.Also thought Capers was destined for NY with his ties to Coughlin.
Plus the talk of Peppers wanting to play in a 3-4...would be nice to see him brought in for sure.Its hopes and dreams of course...but wow.
I really wanted McDermott too, but it sounded like Philly wasn't going to let him interview with us as he still has a year left under his contract. JSonline made it sound like McDermott was being held onto to be the heir apparent for when Johnson retires as D Coordinator for Philly.I'm extremely happy with the Caper hire when looking at the alternative (Haslett). Hopefully Capers doesn't stick to the 4-3 and will incorporate a little 3-4 in our defense. I think it will be extremely tough to completely switch our D to a primarily 3-4 D... but it'd be nice to see the 3-4 used here and there next season.sho nuff said:
That was a risk with waiting for McDermott if Philly did not want to let him go.Williams going to NO hurt, plus with Schwartz going to Detroit that hurt GB's chances at a guy like McGinnis from the Titans.
I doubt we'll ever know if Capers was their first, second, third choice or an afterthought panic hire, but I have to believe there wa a way to know McDermott's availability before yesterday. I'm sure there are channels of communication by which the team could learn if Reid was willing to make McDermott available to move to a DC role and, if so, whether McDermott was interested in Green Bay. In any event, the timing of the announcement makes it clear that either the Packers didn't want McDermott or he was not available for them to interview.
i woulda liked McDermott toostrange in that not once did i read, either here or on any of the professional news sites that McDermott is still under contract with the Eagles and Reid would not allow him to interview for a position with another team.... not until this morning after the Capers hiring.KingPrawn said:I'm sure this was posted somewhere earlier in the thread but back on January 10th Adam Shefter from the NFL network posted on his blog that McDermott was a leading cnadidate.Mr.Pack said:This kills me. No one from the organization has come out and said who the choices were.This is all media speculation. Pathetic bashing.Nolan and Williams going elsewhere would be a sign they are having trouble finding someone to come in.Here is a quote from Michael Hunt at JS Online....
Even if Ted Thompson rearranges the hemorrhaging front seven through free agency and the draft, McCarthy has lost a lot of credibility by the way he fired most of the defensive staff and has subsequently failed to land his first two choices to coordinate the unit. It's difficult to imagine top-shelf defensive assistants coming to Green Bay now that McCarthy has the quick-trigger rep.
I still say the guy is and always has been Sean McDermott. Now that The Eagles are done I expect it to be announced soon.Shefter blog
See, I can agree with you every now and the Sho Of all the names that were mentioned, I did like Capers the best. I really hope that TT breaks out of his mold this year and signs some free agents.
Crazy how they just signed the guy that 3 or 4 other teams were reportedly after. Of course, that article was written by a guy named MIKE HUNT.
Kampan does seem a little light, but he's always been pretty good against the run. Interestingly, I think Cullen Jenkins is a great fit for 3-4 end. He's 305 and has played both inside and out. I like him a lot in this scheme.
Jenkins and Kampman are both converted DTs, so they are fine at the ends of a 3-4... and we have a decent guy who will be ok at DT in 3-4 (Pickett)...I think Barnett and Hawk are decent fits as LBs as well...Balco said:
If everything is equal I can't see how they couldn't draft an offensive tackle first. They made a major investment on a QB that has been known to get hurt and while he stayed healthy this year he took some major shots. The defense is something that should be helped in the draft, but they need to address as much as they can on the defensive side in FA because they need to have people that have been in the 3-4 to help the transition.
He can definitely succeed in the 3-4. Just take a look at Justin Smith of the 49ers, who has a similar build to Kampman, and plays a similar style (Although Kampman is the superior player). He was a 4-3 end with the Bengals and signed on to play with the 49ers as a 3-4 end. Finished with 73 tackles and 7 sacks. VEry good numbers from an end in a 3-4.
Definitely agree here. Offensive Tackle is very deep in elite talent this draft, and the Packers should be in prime position to land one at their spot. The great thing about the 3-4 is that you can often get impact players in the scheme in the mid to late rounds. Packers should focus on free agency for their defensive players.
I wouldn't complain about taking an OT at #9. Andre Smith, Michael Oher, Eugene Monroe and Jason Smith all look very solid to me and should grade out high. Andre Smith may be the front runner to be the first OT off the board, but I really don't see much difference between them.
Agreed.Also depends on if TT spends there in FA or defense.If they somehow can get Jordan Gross...why worry about that in the draft that high.Again...a big if there with FA.But I don't see how with this switch that TT will remain inactive in FA this offseason.
I don't think Gross is going anywhere. If the Panthers can't sign him to a long term deal there is a good chance they throw the franchise tag on him again. Fox Sports had an article last week stating that it would cost the Panthers roughly $17M to put the tag on Peppers, and $9M for Gross.
Id be fine with Peppers too.
I would prefer Suggs to Peppers for the 3-4, and he can probably be had cheaper as well.
Can you provide a link to Kampman having ever played extensively (or even a single down) at DT? It's my understanding that he played exclusively at LB in high school, and exclusively at LB for at least his first two years at Iowa. He then switched to DE prior to his junior season at Iowa and played at that position for the remainder of his collegiate career and NFL career to date. Did he play there for the Pack when there were injuries? I'm not saying he couldn't play end in a 3-4 scheme...he does seem to have the body type that could pack on a bit more beef, and he's always been pretty strong against the run...but I'm always a bit skeptical of plans to change players body-types to fit schemes, and he's already apparently done that once. If anything, his experience at LB and ability to get to the QB seems to indicate it might be better to go in the other direction and have him play at OLB in the 3-4. In any case, while everybody seems excited about this switch to a 3-4, in my opinion it's going to demand revolutionary, rather than evolutionary, changes to our defensive roster. I'll give you Pickett at nose tackle, and Cullen Jenkins seems made for 3-4 DE. But that's about it as far as players already on the roster that will slip seamlessly into the 3-4. Hawk and Barnett are 4-3 weakside LBs (IMO) who've both been misplaced playing at MIKE. I have my doubts about either of them being particularly successful playing inside LB in a 3-4. Perhaps even more crucially, we don't have a single LB on the roster who could play OLB and get to the QB with any kind of frequency, unless Kampman gets moved there. Who's going to do it? Poppinga? Please. He's got 3 career sacks, and none in the past two years. Chillar (and, frankly, just about every other LB on the roster) averages about a sack/year. So even if Kampman is able to play at 3-4 end, we pretty much need 3 or 4 different LBs for the new scheme, or an additional 3-4 DE as well if Kampman assumes one of those OLB spots. That's a lot to ask from free agency and the draft. It can be done, but I'm not as optimistic as most. I'm particularly worried about the draft. At 1.09 we seem to be in the "sweet spot" of this draft: optimally poised to snatch a franchise LT without having to pay top-5 draft pick money for him. Now with the system change, I won't be at all surprised to see us "reach" for a 3-4 OLB there, or even a nose tackle. Anyway, my two very pessimistic cents...somebody please reassure me the sky ain't falling.Balco said:
