**Not-so-offical Green Bay Packers Off-season Thread** (1 Viewer)

[sho nuff]

I'm even more anxious to see what TT does at #9 now. Most of the top DEs and LBs in this draft could be nice fits in a 3-4 system.

If everything is equal I can't see how they couldn't draft an offensive tackle first. They made a major investment on a QB that has been known to get hurt and while he stayed healthy this year he took some major shots. The defense is something that should be helped in the draft, but they need to address as much as they can on the defensive side in FA because they need to have people that have been in the 3-4 to help the transition.

I wouldn't complain about taking an OT at #9. Andre Smith, Michael Oher, Eugene Monroe and Jason Smith all look very solid to me and should grade out high. Andre Smith may be the front runner to be the first OT off the board, but I really don't see much difference between them.

Agreed.Also depends on if TT spends there in FA or defense.If they somehow can get Jordan Gross...why worry about that in the draft that high.Again...a big if there with FA.But I don't see how with this switch that TT will remain inactive in FA this offseason.

I don't think Gross is going anywhere. If the Panthers can't sign him to a long term deal there is a good chance they throw the franchise tag on him again. Fox Sports had an article last week stating that it would cost the Panthers roughly $17M to put the tag on Peppers, and $9M for Gross.

Id be fine with Peppers too.

I would prefer Suggs to Peppers for the 3-4, and he can probably be had cheaper as well.

Good point, I have not wrapped my head around having a 3-4 long enough to start looking at other guys that I thought were not going to be a fit here.It does open up alot of possibilities both in FA and the draft. And Suggs would be great...very good in the 3-4 and brings that experience to the LB corps.Hopefully TT uses some of those possibilities.

 

[griz145389]

I think our biggest issues will be at linebacker, especially inside linebacker. AJ Hawk is a horrible fit inside, he might be decent outside, and Barnett also is not a great fit.

I think our d line should be fine, and I again reference that Kampman used to play D Tackle. He can definitely play end in the 3-4. a 3-4 end does not always have to be a two gap lineman, and I am sure Cullen jenkins will be the big run stuffing end.

To comment on the poster who mentioned Olshansky and Canty, I think Olshansky would come much cheaper, and should be a target. No need to spend a lot of $$$ on 3-4 ends, you just want a player who is going to fill his role, namely, stop the run. If you are going to spend money on the interior, it should be the nose tackle (i.e. Ted Washington, Vince Wilfork, Hloti Ngata, Casey Hampton).

Can you provide a link to Kampman having ever played extensively (or even a single down) at DT? It's my understanding that he played exclusively at LB in high school, and exclusively at LB for at least his first two years at Iowa. He then switched to DE prior to his junior season at Iowa and played at that position for the remainder of his collegiate career and NFL career to date. Did he play there for the Pack when there were injuries? I'm not saying he couldn't play end in a 3-4 scheme...he does seem to have the body type that could pack on a bit more beef, and he's always been pretty strong against the run...but I'm always a bit skeptical of plans to change players body-types to fit schemes, and he's already apparently done that once. If anything, his experience at LB and ability to get to the QB seems to indicate it might be better to go in the other direction and have him play at OLB in the 3-4. In any case, while everybody seems excited about this switch to a 3-4, in my opinion it's going to demand revolutionary, rather than evolutionary, changes to our defensive roster. I'll give you Pickett at nose tackle, and Cullen Jenkins seems made for 3-4 DE. But that's about it as far as players already on the roster that will slip seamlessly into the 3-4. Hawk and Barnett are 4-3 weakside LBs (IMO) who've both been misplaced playing at MIKE. I have my doubts about either of them being particularly successful playing inside LB in a 3-4. Perhaps even more crucially, we don't have a single LB on the roster who could play OLB and get to the QB with any kind of frequency, unless Kampman gets moved there. Who's going to do it? Poppinga? Please. He's got 3 career sacks, and none in the past two years. Chillar (and, frankly, just about every other LB on the roster) averages about a sack/year. So even if Kampman is able to play at 3-4 end, we pretty much need 3 or 4 different LBs for the new scheme, or an additional 3-4 DE as well if Kampman assumes one of those OLB spots. That's a lot to ask from free agency and the draft. It can be done, but I'm not as optimistic as most. I'm particularly worried about the draft. At 1.09 we seem to be in the "sweet spot" of this draft: optimally poised to snatch a franchise LT without having to pay top-5 draft pick money for him. Now with the system change, I won't be at all surprised to see us "reach" for a 3-4 OLB there, or even a nose tackle. Anyway, my two very pessimistic cents...somebody please reassure me the sky ain't falling.

I share your concerns. In addition to the players you mentioned, I am not sure Harris will fare so well with a new scheme. In my opinion, we need 3-4 new players on defense that will give a significant impact. And that can not be done through the draft alone. Hopefully Thompson will actually get some free agents this year.

 

[sho nuff]

And for those who talked about offers being made...Michael Lombardi does not believe any were made....and Id say he has some information from around the league as well.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2009/0...und-the-nfl-11/

He has talked to many coaches, but the reality is that he never got to the point of offering the job to anyone. He followed the carpenter’s rule: measure twice, cut once. He took his time, and do not confuse taking time for not knowing what he wanted.

and he also shuts the door on the Giants rumor as well..

One rumor making the rounds is that the Giants wanted Capers. Capers was never in the mix in NY, and the Giants were always going to promote from within. Why would the Giants want a coach who is a 3-4 man to run their 4-3 defense?

 

[scrumptrulescent]

I'm even more anxious to see what TT does at #9 now. Most of the top DEs and LBs in this draft could be nice fits in a 3-4 system.

If everything is equal I can't see how they couldn't draft an offensive tackle first. They made a major investment on a QB that has been known to get hurt and while he stayed healthy this year he took some major shots. The defense is something that should be helped in the draft, but they need to address as much as they can on the defensive side in FA because they need to have people that have been in the 3-4 to help the transition.

I wouldn't complain about taking an OT at #9. Andre Smith, Michael Oher, Eugene Monroe and Jason Smith all look very solid to me and should grade out high. Andre Smith may be the front runner to be the first OT off the board, but I really don't see much difference between them.

Agreed.Also depends on if TT spends there in FA or defense.If they somehow can get Jordan Gross...why worry about that in the draft that high.Again...a big if there with FA.But I don't see how with this switch that TT will remain inactive in FA this offseason.

I don't think Gross is going anywhere. If the Panthers can't sign him to a long term deal there is a good chance they throw the franchise tag on him again. Fox Sports had an article last week stating that it would cost the Panthers roughly $17M to put the tag on Peppers, and $9M for Gross.

Id be fine with Peppers too.

I would prefer Suggs to Peppers for the 3-4, and he can probably be had cheaper as well.

Good point, I have not wrapped my head around having a 3-4 long enough to start looking at other guys that I thought were not going to be a fit here.It does open up alot of possibilities both in FA and the draft. And Suggs would be great...very good in the 3-4 and brings that experience to the LB corps.Hopefully TT uses some of those possibilities.

Alright now stop it. Please just stop it all of you. Stop getting my hopes up that either Suggs or Peppers comes to town and a stud OT get's picked at #9 From your keyboards to TT's ears, but I'm not holding my breath.

 

[Sabertooth]

I think our biggest issues will be at linebacker, especially inside linebacker. AJ Hawk is a horrible fit inside, he might be decent outside, and Barnett also is not a great fit.I think our d line should be fine, and I again reference that Kampman used to play D Tackle. He can definitely play end in the 3-4. a 3-4 end does not always have to be a two gap lineman, and I am sure Cullen jenkins will be the big run stuffing end. To comment on the poster who mentioned Olshansky and Canty, I think Olshansky would come much cheaper, and should be a target. No need to spend a lot of $$$ on 3-4 ends, you just want a player who is going to fill his role, namely, stop the run. If you are going to spend money on the interior, it should be the nose tackle (i.e. Ted Washington, Vince Wilfork, Hloti Ngata, Casey Hampton).

I agree, although I think Pickett might be up to the task. I think if we are going to spend money, it needs to be on safeties and linebackers. Cullen appears to pass the eyeball test. Kampman is a football player who should fit in the mix somewhere. Pickett may or may not be the best fit. I'd love to still have Corey Williams back.

 

[sho nuff]

I think our biggest issues will be at linebacker, especially inside linebacker. AJ Hawk is a horrible fit inside, he might be decent outside, and Barnett also is not a great fit.I think our d line should be fine, and I again reference that Kampman used to play D Tackle. He can definitely play end in the 3-4. a 3-4 end does not always have to be a two gap lineman, and I am sure Cullen jenkins will be the big run stuffing end. To comment on the poster who mentioned Olshansky and Canty, I think Olshansky would come much cheaper, and should be a target. No need to spend a lot of $$$ on 3-4 ends, you just want a player who is going to fill his role, namely, stop the run. If you are going to spend money on the interior, it should be the nose tackle (i.e. Ted Washington, Vince Wilfork, Hloti Ngata, Casey Hampton).

I agree, although I think Pickett might be up to the task. I think if we are going to spend money, it needs to be on safeties and linebackers. Cullen appears to pass the eyeball test. Kampman is a football player who should fit in the mix somewhere. Pickett may or may not be the best fit. I'd love to still have Corey Williams back.

While Pickett may not be the best fit...that is not the priority and I think he will at least be adequate there.Williams? I would have liked him back last year...but he was not all that effective in the 3-4 in Cleveland this past year with a guy like Rogers next to him.

 

[Sabertooth]

The NT is pretty much the most important player in a 3-4 though right? Pretty important to get that position filled.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

The NT is pretty much the most important player in a 3-4 though right? Pretty important to get that position filled.

Anyone under 320 lbs need not apply. Gilbert Brown version 2.0

 

[Man in the yellow hat]

The NT is pretty much the most important player in a 3-4 though right? Pretty important to get that position filled.

I believe it is with Pickett. Throw some Colin Cole in there as well. These guys only need to be big and take up blockers. Both things Pickett and Cole can do. If Justin Harrel ever stays healthy, he might be playing some end as well.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

The NT is pretty much the most important player in a 3-4 though right? Pretty important to get that position filled.

I believe it is with Pickett. Throw some Colin Cole in there as well. These guys only need to be big and take up blockers. Both things Pickett and Cole can do. If Justin Harrel ever stays healthy, he might be playing some end as well.

Agreed. Pickett and Cole are good at being fat. They need to be the immovable force. I don't see us getting Big Al anytime soon.

 

[Phurfur]

The NT is pretty much the most important player in a 3-4 though right? Pretty important to get that position filled.

I believe it is with Pickett. Throw some Colin Cole in there as well. These guys only need to be big and take up blockers. Both things Pickett and Cole can do. If Justin Harrel ever stays healthy, he might be playing some end as well.

A good nose tackle must get forward movement to be effective. I don't think GB has that player on their rooster right now.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

The NT is pretty much the most important player in a 3-4 though right? Pretty important to get that position filled.

I believe it is with Pickett. Throw some Colin Cole in there as well. These guys only need to be big and take up blockers. Both things Pickett and Cole can do. If Justin Harrel ever stays healthy, he might be playing some end as well.

A good nose tackle must get forward movement to be effective. I don't think GB has that player on their rooster right now.

A good 3-4 nose tackle just needs to clog the middle so the linebackers are free to fill gaps.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

Found this about Saban's hybrid 3-4 at Miami when Capers was the DC. Kampman = Jason Taylor in this D?

Saban's 3-4

 

[Phurfur]

The NT is pretty much the most important player in a 3-4 though right? Pretty important to get that position filled.

I believe it is with Pickett. Throw some Colin Cole in there as well. These guys only need to be big and take up blockers. Both things Pickett and Cole can do. If Justin Harrel ever stays healthy, he might be playing some end as well.

A good nose tackle must get forward movement to be effective. I don't think GB has that player on their rooster right now.

A good 3-4 nose tackle just needs to clog the middle so the linebackers are free to fill gaps.

That is what everyone says but it is not true. Without forward movement they are just a nose tackle, I would not put a good label on them.

 

[griz145389]

The NT is pretty much the most important player in a 3-4 though right? Pretty important to get that position filled.

I believe it is with Pickett. Throw some Colin Cole in there as well. These guys only need to be big and take up blockers. Both things Pickett and Cole can do. If Justin Harrel ever stays healthy, he might be playing some end as well.

A good nose tackle must get forward movement to be effective. I don't think GB has that player on their rooster right now.

A good 3-4 nose tackle just needs to clog the middle so the linebackers are free to fill gaps.

That is what everyone says but it is not true. Without forward movement they are just a nose tackle, I would not put a good label on them.

If all you had to do was to be fat, I would tell my friend who weighs 360 lbs to go try out for the Packers. Although he could be probably had for the minimum, and TT might like the idea of saving money. Now that I think about I am 6'5" and weigh 270. If I were to eat Big Macs all day every day I might be able to be a nose tackle by the time mincamps start.

 

[Aaronstory]

The NT is pretty much the most important player in a 3-4 though right? Pretty important to get that position filled.

I believe it is with Pickett. Throw some Colin Cole in there as well. These guys only need to be big and take up blockers. Both things Pickett and Cole can do. If Justin Harrel ever stays healthy, he might be playing some end as well.

A good nose tackle must get forward movement to be effective. I don't think GB has that player on their rooster right now.

A good 3-4 nose tackle just needs to clog the middle so the linebackers are free to fill gaps.

That is what everyone says but it is not true. Without forward movement they are just a nose tackle, I would not put a good label on them.

Been saying this exact thing since yesterday....

 

[scrumptrulescent]

I wonder where TT will grade BJ Raji in the draft. 9th might be a little high and TT knows he'd probably take some serious flack.....again.......for his Harrell pick just 2 years ago.

Everette Brown from FSU is starting look more interesting to me.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

I wonder where TT will grade BJ Raji in the draft. 9th might be a little high and TT knows he'd probably take some serious flack.....again.......for his Harrell pick just 2 years ago.

One thing I like about Thompson is that he apparently could not possibly care less about "flak" he gets from the fans or the media regarding his job. When he makes his pick this Spring at #9, I fully expect to be paging through my draft guide to where the second or third round guys are listed by Maycock and Kiper to find the new Packer.

 

[larry_boy_44]

How much cap space do the Packers have for free agency this year?

 

[Stinger Ray]

And for those who talked about offers being made...Michael Lombardi does not believe any were made....and Id say he has some information from around the league as well.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2009/0...und-the-nfl-11/

He has talked to many coaches, but the reality is that he never got to the point of offering the job to anyone. He followed the carpenter’s rule: measure twice, cut once. He took his time, and do not confuse taking time for not knowing what he wanted.

and he also shuts the door on the Giants rumor as well..

One rumor making the rounds is that the Giants wanted Capers. Capers was never in the mix in NY, and the Giants were always going to promote from within. Why would the Giants want a coach who is a 3-4 man to run their 4-3 defense?

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/37945919.htmlCapers not 1st, 2nd pick

By Greg A. Bedard of the Journal Sentinel

Posted: Jan. 20, 2009 9:13 p.m.

Mobile, Ala. - Dom Capers is the Green Bay Packers' new defensive coordinator but he wasn't coach Mike McCarthy's first choice. Or second.

Gregg Williams said Tuesday at the Senior Bowl that he turned down the Packers' offer and decided to accept the same job with the New Orleans Saints after discussing the situation with his family.

"It was very hard to tell Mike no," Williams said.And Jim Haslett, who was a finalist for the St. Louis Rams' head coaching job, also had the opportunity to accept the Packers' defensive coordinator position but would not commit before the Rams picked their coach, according to a source close to the process.

When asked to confirm that he was offered the job by McCarthy, Haslett, who is in town looking for work after the Rams hired Steve Spagnuolo, declined any comment.

Mike Nolan was the first person interviewed by McCarthy. It is not known whether he was also offered the position before becoming the defensive coordinator for Denver.

McCarthy declined to say Monday whether Capers was the first person offered the job.

"I had conversations with all the candidates about how they would move forward and so forth," McCarthy said. "A lot of them were very high-quality former head coaches. But I'll say this: I feel Dom Capers is clearly the best fit for our organization."

Williams said the decision between the Packers and Saints was put to a family vote.

"It was the first time in my coaching career I've ever allowed the family to be a part of all this kind of stuff and our family was looking to get a little further south," Williams said.

Williams' youngest son, Chase, is one of the nation's top high school prospects at tight end/linebacker after his sophomore season and preferred to play in the South. His oldest son, Blake, is a Princeton graduate and was hired by the Saints. Williams said the Packers were looking to find a spot for him as well, but not every interested team was.

"That was one of the reasons I backed off from Tennessee," Williams said. Williams said all nine teams with openings contacted him. And in his evaluation of each possible destination, the Packers ranked No. 1 when it came to young talent on their defense.

"From the starters to the reserves, the depth of young talent there was really impressive," Williams said. "That was a big mark in their corner."

Williams said he was impressed with McCarthy's organization and the structure he has in place. Williams also thought the Packers, in the end, did very well in getting Capers.

"What an outstanding hire," Williams said. "He’s one of the fathers of defensive philosophy of football and the fire zones in the National Football League. Dom is one of the best pressure coaches in the National Football League, he’s one of the best overall defensive coaches in the NFL but, more importantly, he’s one of the finest human beings in the NFL. And the Green Bay community is going to love him. To get a veteran coach like that, I think that’s a steal for the Green Bay Packers."

The Packers certainly did their homework on Capers. A league source said two members of the organization called Miami Dolphins defensive end Vonnie Holliday, a former Packer, to ask about Capers. Holliday, who played under Capers in ’06 and ’07, gave the Packers his highest recommendation: Holliday told them Capers is the coach he respected the most during his 11-year career.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

who carez

 

[scrumptrulescent]

who carez

Apparently not the Bears who couldn't hire the 0-16 Marinelli fast enough

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

I'm a Packers fan. I don't know if Stinger Ray is or if he's just trolling these threads. Either way it is pointless to be concerned about who the "first choice" was now. Like, if they had interviewed Capers first and signed Williams, would you feel any different?

 

[Stinger Ray]

I'm a Packers fan. I don't know if Stinger Ray is or if he's just trolling these threads. Either way it is pointless to be concerned about who the "first choice" was now. Like, if they had interviewed Capers first and signed Williams, would you feel any different?

I posted an article from JS Online. I never expressed my opinion about Capers. I think it is a good hire. I also posted the article because some of the TT supoorters have been trying to maintain that no offers were made to Williams and Nolan. Now it appears the Packers made an offer to Haslett too.

 

[sho nuff]

And for those who talked about offers being made...Michael Lombardi does not believe any were made....and Id say he has some information from around the league as well.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2009/0...und-the-nfl-11/

He has talked to many coaches, but the reality is that he never got to the point of offering the job to anyone. He followed the carpenter’s rule: measure twice, cut once. He took his time, and do not confuse taking time for not knowing what he wanted.

and he also shuts the door on the Giants rumor as well..

One rumor making the rounds is that the Giants wanted Capers. Capers was never in the mix in NY, and the Giants were always going to promote from within. Why would the Giants want a coach who is a 3-4 man to run their 4-3 defense?

Mike Nolan was the first person interviewed by McCarthy. It is not known whether he was also offered the position before becoming the defensive coordinator for Denver.McCarthy declined to say Monday whether Capers was the first person offered the job.

"I had conversations with all the candidates about how they would move forward and so forth," McCarthy said. "A lot of them were very high-quality former head coaches. But I'll say this: I feel Dom Capers is clearly the best fit for our organization."

Williams said the decision between the Packers and Saints was put to a family vote.

"It was the first time in my coaching career I've ever allowed the family to be a part of all this kind of stuff and our family was looking to get a little further south," Williams said.

Ok...Williams was given some sort of offer to become the coach. But Williams also puts to rest some of the crap some in here were spewing about it just not being an attractive job and such...so thanks for that.

 

[sho nuff]

I'm a Packers fan. I don't know if Stinger Ray is or if he's just trolling these threads. Either way it is pointless to be concerned about who the "first choice" was now. Like, if they had interviewed Capers first and signed Williams, would you feel any different?

I posted an article from JS Online. I never expressed my opinion about Capers. I think it is a good hire. I also posted the article because some of the TT supoorters have been trying to maintain that no offers were made to Williams and Nolan. Now it appears the Packers made an offer to Haslett too.

Actually some said there was no real indication that there were offers that much of it was speculation and I posted an article from a guy with some major NFL contacts that stated there were not offers to them.You posted an article confirming there was an offer to Williams...but nothing shows that it appears one was made to Haslet or even Nolan by what you posted.

 

[Stinger Ray]

I'm a Packers fan. I don't know if Stinger Ray is or if he's just trolling these threads. Either way it is pointless to be concerned about who the "first choice" was now. Like, if they had interviewed Capers first and signed Williams, would you feel any different?

I posted an article from JS Online. I never expressed my opinion about Capers. I think it is a good hire. I also posted the article because some of the TT supoorters have been trying to maintain that no offers were made to Williams and Nolan. Now it appears the Packers made an offer to Haslett too.

Actually some said there was no real indication that there were offers that much of it was speculation and I posted an article from a guy with some major NFL contacts that stated there were not offers to them.You posted an article confirming there was an offer to Williams...but nothing shows that it appears one was made to Haslet or even Nolan by what you posted.

Wrong again, sho. Did you read this from the article..."And Jim Haslett, who was a finalist for the St. Louis Rams' head coaching job, also had the opportunity to accept the Packers' defensive coordinator position"And earlier a link was posted by a San Franciso paper that indicated sources close to Nolan stated he received an offer from the Packers.

 

[sho nuff]

I'm a Packers fan. I don't know if Stinger Ray is or if he's just trolling these threads. Either way it is pointless to be concerned about who the "first choice" was now. Like, if they had interviewed Capers first and signed Williams, would you feel any different?

I posted an article from JS Online. I never expressed my opinion about Capers. I think it is a good hire. I also posted the article because some of the TT supoorters have been trying to maintain that no offers were made to Williams and Nolan. Now it appears the Packers made an offer to Haslett too.

Actually some said there was no real indication that there were offers that much of it was speculation and I posted an article from a guy with some major NFL contacts that stated there were not offers to them.You posted an article confirming there was an offer to Williams...but nothing shows that it appears one was made to Haslet or even Nolan by what you posted.

Wrong again, sho. Did you read this from the article..."And Jim Haslett, who was a finalist for the St. Louis Rams' head coaching job, also had the opportunity to accept the Packers' defensive coordinator position"And earlier a link was posted by a San Franciso paper that indicated sources close to Nolan stated he received an offer from the Packers.

I read that some source stated it...and that Haslet declined to comment.and that Lombardi claims otherwise.So again...there is no definitive proof of any of it at this point other than Williams says he turned down an offer.Either way...we now have Capers...who I would have ranked #2 if considering Williams, Nolan, Haslet and Capers as the candidates.Time to move on...

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

Since I am finally bored enough to read that blog, I also notice "Williams said all nine teams with openings contacted him. And in his evaluation of each possible destination, the Packers ranked No. 1 when it came to young talent on their defense."

 

[scrumptrulescent]

Updated mock by Walter's which takes their 3-4 into consideration. The choice was Raji with a backup plan of Everette Brown. Both seem like logical, decent choices to me at this time.

1/22/09 Mock update

 

[CletiusMaximus]

I am more concerned with the LB's than the line in running an effective 3-4 (although don't purport to be an expert on defensive schemes). I believe it was John Madden who essentially said - if your 4th LB is better than your 4th DL, you should run a 3-4; if your 4th DL is better than your 4th LB, you should run a 4-3.

That's simplistic way to look at it of course, but the obvious reality is that a 3-4 team needs 4 good linebackers. Assuming Kampman can be effective at the outside LB position in a 3-4 (which I have no idea), the biggest question then is who the two inside LB's will be. I am a big fan of both Barnett and Hawk in their present roles at mike and will, but I'm not sure either is the right guy to play inside in a 3-4. I'd have much more confidence in Barnett filling that role, but he has some question marks. Hawk is solid on his tackling and his assignments, but I'm not sure he has the aggressiveness or explosiveness or meanstreak I typically associate with a 3-4 MLB.

 

[Aaronstory]

the biggest question then is who the two inside LB's will be.

This will be a monster battle in camp, with Hawk, Barnett, Chillar, Poppinga and Bishop all battling for the two inside LB spots. (And yes - I think it will be a legit competition and spots won't just be handed to Barnett and Hawk) Kampman will probably play outside along with a FA/draft pick on the other side.

 

[Stinger Ray]

the biggest question then is who the two inside LB's will be.

This will be a monster battle in camp, with Hawk, Barnett, Chillar, Poppinga and Bishop all battling for the two inside LB spots. (And yes - I think it will be a legit competition and spots won't just be handed to Barnett and Hawk) Kampman will probably play outside along with a FA/draft pick on the other side.

Poppinga and Chillar will likely see time on the outside more so than inside. Chillar may not be a good fit for the 3-4. Bishop has the athleticism and if he can bulk up a bit he could be a right outside LB based on the roster now. He has a lot of potential and Capers might be able elevate his play.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

the biggest question then is who the two inside LB's will be.

This will be a monster battle in camp, with Hawk, Barnett, Chillar, Poppinga and Bishop all battling for the two inside LB spots. (And yes - I think it will be a legit competition and spots won't just be handed to Barnett and Hawk) Kampman will probably play outside along with a FA/draft pick on the other side.

Poppinga and Chillar will likely see time on the outside more so than inside. Chillar may not be a good fit for the 3-4. Bishop has the athleticism and if he can bulk up a bit he could be a right outside LB based on the roster now. He has a lot of potential and Capers might be able elevate his play.

I don't know how well Chillar will fit a 3-4, but I thought he was the only Packer LB last season who showed an ability to get to the QB, so I expect to see him playing outside in the new system. I am excited to see if the new system gives Bishop a chance to play in one of the middle LB roles. I think Poppinga is in trouble. I like Hawk a lot in the 4-3 - thought he was extremely solid if perhaps a bit unexciting given his draft position. But the fact is that if our first round #5 pick doesn't have a solid starting role just a few years after he was drafted, it might be time to shop him around a bit (as opposed to shopping Kampman, as some have suggested).

 

[sho nuff]

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/38195514.html

Interesting article on how the Packers scout the all star games.

 

[Aaronstory]

the biggest question then is who the two inside LB's will be.

This will be a monster battle in camp, with Hawk, Barnett, Chillar, Poppinga and Bishop all battling for the two inside LB spots. (And yes - I think it will be a legit competition and spots won't just be handed to Barnett and Hawk) Kampman will probably play outside along with a FA/draft pick on the other side.

Poppinga and Chillar will likely see time on the outside more so than inside. Chillar may not be a good fit for the 3-4. Bishop has the athleticism and if he can bulk up a bit he could be a right outside LB based on the roster now. He has a lot of potential and Capers might be able elevate his play.

I don't know how well Chillar will fit a 3-4, but I thought he was the only Packer LB last season who showed an ability to get to the QB, so I expect to see him playing outside in the new system. I am excited to see if the new system gives Bishop a chance to play in one of the middle LB roles. I think Poppinga is in trouble. I like Hawk a lot in the 4-3 - thought he was extremely solid if perhaps a bit unexciting given his draft position. But the fact is that if our first round #5 pick doesn't have a solid starting role just a few years after he was drafted, it might be time to shop him around a bit (as opposed to shopping Kampman, as some have suggested).

Chillar can cover and get to the QB on a blitz - two things Hawk looks lost doing. Agreed that they most likely try him outside. And I completely agree on Poppinga. The only thing that might save him is the fact that they just extended him before the '08 season.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

TRGOVAC TO THE PACKPosted by Josh Alper on January 23, 2009, 2:47 p.m. EST Two days after turning down an offer to remain as defensive coordinator of the Panthers, Mike Trgovac has reportedly been hired as defensive line coach in Green Bay. The Packers haven’t made any announcement, and Rob Demovsky of the Green Bay Press-Gazette says they probably won’t until they’ve filled out the rest of Dom Capers’ staff.Before becoming the Panthers coordinator in 2002, Trgovac had spent 16 seasons as a defensive line coach at the college and NFL levels. One of those seasons, 1999, was spent in Green Bay as a member of Ray Rhodes’ staff.Trgovac’s move would add a twist to discussion of the Packers as a potential landing spot for Julius Peppers. Peppers has made it clear that he wants to play in a 3-4 scheme next season. When Capers announced they’d be running his customary 3-4 next season, the Packers became a possibility. How hiring his old coach will affect Peppers’ destination, or if Trgovac’s departure puts the Panthers back in the hunt, will be worth watching.

That was an extremely quick fire and hire. Anyone know what Trgovac's relationship was like with Peppers?

 

[CletiusMaximus]

TRGOVAC TO THE PACKPosted by Josh Alper on January 23, 2009, 2:47 p.m. EST Two days after turning down an offer to remain as defensive coordinator of the Panthers, Mike Trgovac has reportedly been hired as defensive line coach in Green Bay. The Packers haven’t made any announcement, and Rob Demovsky of the Green Bay Press-Gazette says they probably won’t until they’ve filled out the rest of Dom Capers’ staff.Before becoming the Panthers coordinator in 2002, Trgovac had spent 16 seasons as a defensive line coach at the college and NFL levels. One of those seasons, 1999, was spent in Green Bay as a member of Ray Rhodes’ staff.

What a strange career move. He voluntarily leaves the Carolina DC job after 7 years to be a position coach in Green Bay? Does not compute.

 

[Kleck]

TRGOVAC TO THE PACKPosted by Josh Alper on January 23, 2009, 2:47 p.m. EST Two days after turning down an offer to remain as defensive coordinator of the Panthers, Mike Trgovac has reportedly been hired as defensive line coach in Green Bay. The Packers haven’t made any announcement, and Rob Demovsky of the Green Bay Press-Gazette says they probably won’t until they’ve filled out the rest of Dom Capers’ staff.Before becoming the Panthers coordinator in 2002, Trgovac had spent 16 seasons as a defensive line coach at the college and NFL levels. One of those seasons, 1999, was spent in Green Bay as a member of Ray Rhodes’ staff.

What a strange career move. He voluntarily leaves the Carolina DC job after 7 years to be a position coach in Green Bay? Does not compute.

Very strange, but a great hire. It's been surprising week.

 

[mr. furley]

TRGOVAC TO THE PACKPosted by Josh Alper on January 23, 2009, 2:47 p.m. EST Two days after turning down an offer to remain as defensive coordinator of the Panthers, Mike Trgovac has reportedly been hired as defensive line coach in Green Bay. The Packers haven’t made any announcement, and Rob Demovsky of the Green Bay Press-Gazette says they probably won’t until they’ve filled out the rest of Dom Capers’ staff.Before becoming the Panthers coordinator in 2002, Trgovac had spent 16 seasons as a defensive line coach at the college and NFL levels. One of those seasons, 1999, was spent in Green Bay as a member of Ray Rhodes’ staff.

What a strange career move. He voluntarily leaves the Carolina DC job after 7 years to be a position coach in Green Bay? Does not compute.

very strange

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

Didn't these sought-after coaches who are going to Green Bay read Mike Hunt's articles about how sought-after coaches won't go to Green Bay?

 

[griz145389]

TRGOVAC TO THE PACKPosted by Josh Alper on January 23, 2009, 2:47 p.m. EST Two days after turning down an offer to remain as defensive coordinator of the Panthers, Mike Trgovac has reportedly been hired as defensive line coach in Green Bay. The Packers haven’t made any announcement, and Rob Demovsky of the Green Bay Press-Gazette says they probably won’t until they’ve filled out the rest of Dom Capers’ staff.Before becoming the Panthers coordinator in 2002, Trgovac had spent 16 seasons as a defensive line coach at the college and NFL levels. One of those seasons, 1999, was spent in Green Bay as a member of Ray Rhodes’ staff.

What a strange career move. He voluntarily leaves the Carolina DC job after 7 years to be a position coach in Green Bay? Does not compute.

very strange

I am pleased with the way the coaching positions have gone. Now lets see how free agency goes. I still don't think Thompson is going to go after the big name guys like Gross, Peppers, Suggs, etc, but I hope he at least will sign 3 or more guys that will improve the team. One or two backups is just not going to cut it. The team has a lot of needs that should be addressed. In the order that I see them OT, DT, DE, OG, LB, CB, S.

 

[Aaronstory]

TRGOVAC TO THE PACK

Posted by Josh Alper on January 23, 2009, 2:47 p.m. EST

Two days after turning down an offer to remain as defensive coordinator of the Panthers, Mike Trgovac has reportedly been hired as defensive line coach in Green Bay. The Packers haven't made any announcement, and Rob Demovsky of the Green Bay Press-Gazette says they probably won't until they've filled out the rest of Dom Capers' staff.

Before becoming the Panthers coordinator in 2002, Trgovac had spent 16 seasons as a defensive line coach at the college and NFL levels. One of those seasons, 1999, was spent in Green Bay as a member of Ray Rhodes' staff.

What a strange career move. He voluntarily leaves the Carolina DC job after 7 years to be a position coach in Green Bay? Does not compute.

McGinn talked to him on Friday night."I can understand how it looks," Trgovac said, alluding to the downward career move. "But things aren't always what they appear, I guess. Sometimes working for a defensive head coach is harder than working for an offensive head coach."

 

[hauser42]

TRGOVAC TO THE PACKPosted by Josh Alper on January 23, 2009, 2:47 p.m. EST Two days after turning down an offer to remain as defensive coordinator of the Panthers, Mike Trgovac has reportedly been hired as defensive line coach in Green Bay. The Packers haven’t made any announcement, and Rob Demovsky of the Green Bay Press-Gazette says they probably won’t until they’ve filled out the rest of Dom Capers’ staff.Before becoming the Panthers coordinator in 2002, Trgovac had spent 16 seasons as a defensive line coach at the college and NFL levels. One of those seasons, 1999, was spent in Green Bay as a member of Ray Rhodes’ staff.

What a strange career move. He voluntarily leaves the Carolina DC job after 7 years to be a position coach in Green Bay? Does not compute.

This is not a strange move when you think about it. Fox was a defensive guy and had the D run like he wanted, and had a ton of input into it. Good example of this is Mike Hplmgren running his team's offense while his OC just added input and ran part of the practice. Trgovac might want to learn from one of the best, help the turn around on defense and then get a shot at DC again, This time however he would get to run his own program and not be a pawn for the HC.

 

[Mr Anonymous]

Don't be surprised to see Herm Edwards coaching the Packers DBs next season.

 

[Milwaukees_best]

I think that Cullen Jenkins will be an excellent strong side DE in this scheme. At 6-2 he can easily play at 300 + and his steady tackling will be key as a 3-4 DE.

Aaron Kampman to me just doesnt fit the scheme. I think that he will be moved for a 1st or 2nd round pick. He is too light for a DE, not light enough on his feet for a 3-4 OLB. I think he would be a major liability in Pass coverage.

I might be reaching bu tdo think that Houston would give up their 1st rounder for him - Kampmans constant effort opposite Mario would make their D Line dominating beyond words. Why should Houston take a chance on a rookie at DE when they can have a proven guy like Kampman? The Packers could use that pick for James Laurinaitis who would play WILB.

Nick Barnett is an ideal SILB.

I think that AJ Hawk will be outside most likely - I think he hasnt showcased his pass rushing skills yet. He has rare acceleration, very good pass coverage skills, and in my opinion great athleticism. I think Hawk is going to be a star in the scheme. He was hurt last year - probably more than he let people know.

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Id really can see GB making a push for Albert Haynesworth to play the DE opposite Jenkins. Ryan Pickett would be the big body in the middle at NT. With that first round pick at #9, a guy like Brian Orakpo would be a star.

Obviously its tough at this point to count on GB getting Haynesworth, and the plan above would have crazy money invested in the LBs.

But a Front 7 of

DE - Albert Hanesworth

DE - Cullen Jenkins

NT - Ryan Pickett

OLB - Brian Orakpo

OLB - AJ Hawk

WILB - James Laurinaitis

SILB - Nick Barnett

This would easily make this Packers defense a force in the league - comparable to any 3-4 out there. I also think that Jeremy Thompson should be looked at as a pass rushing specialist at OLB. Brandon Chillar would be a decent backup at all positions - his versatility is a plus.

They need some youth at DB, with Al Harris and Charles Woodson. That said, they will both be back next year. Woodson should make the transition to safety in 2009 along side Nick Collins, and Tramon Williams appears to be the future at CB. Patrick Lee should be more than ready for a larger role in 09.

The rest of day one could be put towards the best player available, something that Ted Thompson insists he always tries to do.

 

[Balco]

I think that Cullen Jenkins will be an excellent strong side DE in this scheme. At 6-2 he can easily play at 300 + and his steady tackling will be key as a 3-4 DE. Aaron Kampman to me just doesnt fit the scheme. I think that he will be moved for a 1st or 2nd round pick. He is too light for a DE, not light enough on his feet for a 3-4 OLB. I think he would be a major liability in Pass coverage. I might be reaching bu tdo think that Houston would give up their 1st rounder for him - Kampmans constant effort opposite Mario would make their D Line dominating beyond words. Why should Houston take a chance on a rookie at DE when they can have a proven guy like Kampman? The Packers could use that pick for James Laurinaitis who would play WILB. Nick Barnett is an ideal SILB. I think that AJ Hawk will be outside most likely - I think he hasnt showcased his pass rushing skills yet. He has rare acceleration, very good pass coverage skills, and in my opinion great athleticism. I think Hawk is going to be a star in the scheme. He was hurt last year - probably more than he let people know. ------------------------------------------------Id really can see GB making a push for Albert Haynesworth to play the DE opposite Jenkins. Ryan Pickett would be the big body in the middle at NT. With that first round pick at #9, a guy like Brian Orakpo would be a star. Obviously its tough at this point to count on GB getting Haynesworth, and the plan above would have crazy money invested in the LBs. But a Front 7 of DE - Albert HanesworthDE - Cullen JenkinsNT - Ryan PickettOLB - Brian OrakpoOLB - AJ HawkWILB - James LaurinaitisSILB - Nick Barnett This would easily make this Packers defense a force in the league - comparable to any 3-4 out there. I also think that Jeremy Thompson should be looked at as a pass rushing specialist at OLB. Brandon Chillar would be a decent backup at all positions - his versatility is a plus. They need some youth at DB, with Al Harris and Charles Woodson. That said, they will both be back next year. Woodson should make the transition to safety in 2009 along side Nick Collins, and Tramon Williams appears to be the future at CB. Patrick Lee should be more than ready for a larger role in 09. The rest of day one could be put towards the best player available, something that Ted Thompson insists he always tries to do.

Pretty much only agree with the Cullen Jenkins assessment. James Lauranitis' skills do not translate well at all to the pros (think Bobby Carpenter).

 

[sts911911]

I think that Cullen Jenkins will be an excellent strong side DE in this scheme. At 6-2 he can easily play at 300 + and his steady tackling will be key as a 3-4 DE. Aaron Kampman to me just doesnt fit the scheme. I think that he will be moved for a 1st or 2nd round pick. He is too light for a DE, not light enough on his feet for a 3-4 OLB. I think he would be a major liability in Pass coverage. I might be reaching bu tdo think that Houston would give up their 1st rounder for him - Kampmans constant effort opposite Mario would make their D Line dominating beyond words. Why should Houston take a chance on a rookie at DE when they can have a proven guy like Kampman? The Packers could use that pick for James Laurinaitis who would play WILB. Nick Barnett is an ideal SILB. I think that AJ Hawk will be outside most likely - I think he hasnt showcased his pass rushing skills yet. He has rare acceleration, very good pass coverage skills, and in my opinion great athleticism. I think Hawk is going to be a star in the scheme. He was hurt last year - probably more than he let people know. ------------------------------------------------Id really can see GB making a push for Albert Haynesworth to play the DE opposite Jenkins. Ryan Pickett would be the big body in the middle at NT. With that first round pick at #9, a guy like Brian Orakpo would be a star. Obviously its tough at this point to count on GB getting Haynesworth, and the plan above would have crazy money invested in the LBs. But a Front 7 of DE - Albert HanesworthDE - Cullen JenkinsNT - Ryan PickettOLB - Brian OrakpoOLB - AJ HawkWILB - James LaurinaitisSILB - Nick Barnett This would easily make this Packers defense a force in the league - comparable to any 3-4 out there. I also think that Jeremy Thompson should be looked at as a pass rushing specialist at OLB. Brandon Chillar would be a decent backup at all positions - his versatility is a plus. They need some youth at DB, with Al Harris and Charles Woodson. That said, they will both be back next year. Woodson should make the transition to safety in 2009 along side Nick Collins, and Tramon Williams appears to be the future at CB. Patrick Lee should be more than ready for a larger role in 09. The rest of day one could be put towards the best player available, something that Ted Thompson insists he always tries to do.

Pretty much only agree with the Cullen Jenkins assessment. James Lauranitis' skills do not translate well at all to the pros (think Bobby Carpenter).

I don't know if this is right or not... but I have heard a lot of comparisons between Kampman and Greg Ellis. If Ellis' game can translate to a 3-4 OLB why wouldn't we try to see if the switch works with Kampan. Just like you said, Kampman is a proven commodity, we shouldn't be giving that up. Also, Capers has said the D won't be a strictly 3-4. There will be times where he'll use a 4-3 base, Kampan is too valuable in my opinion just to give up on and trade away for a pick.

 

[Balco]

I think that Cullen Jenkins will be an excellent strong side DE in this scheme. At 6-2 he can easily play at 300 + and his steady tackling will be key as a 3-4 DE. Aaron Kampman to me just doesnt fit the scheme. I think that he will be moved for a 1st or 2nd round pick. He is too light for a DE, not light enough on his feet for a 3-4 OLB. I think he would be a major liability in Pass coverage. I might be reaching bu tdo think that Houston would give up their 1st rounder for him - Kampmans constant effort opposite Mario would make their D Line dominating beyond words. Why should Houston take a chance on a rookie at DE when they can have a proven guy like Kampman? The Packers could use that pick for James Laurinaitis who would play WILB. Nick Barnett is an ideal SILB. I think that AJ Hawk will be outside most likely - I think he hasnt showcased his pass rushing skills yet. He has rare acceleration, very good pass coverage skills, and in my opinion great athleticism. I think Hawk is going to be a star in the scheme. He was hurt last year - probably more than he let people know. ------------------------------------------------Id really can see GB making a push for Albert Haynesworth to play the DE opposite Jenkins. Ryan Pickett would be the big body in the middle at NT. With that first round pick at #9, a guy like Brian Orakpo would be a star. Obviously its tough at this point to count on GB getting Haynesworth, and the plan above would have crazy money invested in the LBs. But a Front 7 of DE - Albert HanesworthDE - Cullen JenkinsNT - Ryan PickettOLB - Brian OrakpoOLB - AJ HawkWILB - James LaurinaitisSILB - Nick Barnett This would easily make this Packers defense a force in the league - comparable to any 3-4 out there. I also think that Jeremy Thompson should be looked at as a pass rushing specialist at OLB. Brandon Chillar would be a decent backup at all positions - his versatility is a plus. They need some youth at DB, with Al Harris and Charles Woodson. That said, they will both be back next year. Woodson should make the transition to safety in 2009 along side Nick Collins, and Tramon Williams appears to be the future at CB. Patrick Lee should be more than ready for a larger role in 09. The rest of day one could be put towards the best player available, something that Ted Thompson insists he always tries to do.

Pretty much only agree with the Cullen Jenkins assessment. James Lauranitis' skills do not translate well at all to the pros (think Bobby Carpenter).

I don't know if this is right or not... but I have heard a lot of comparisons between Kampman and Greg Ellis. If Ellis' game can translate to a 3-4 OLB why wouldn't we try to see if the switch works with Kampan. Just like you said, Kampman is a proven commodity, we shouldn't be giving that up. Also, Capers has said the D won't be a strictly 3-4. There will be times where he'll use a 4-3 base, Kampan is too valuable in my opinion just to give up on and trade away for a pick.

Kampman is a football player, plain and simple. The Ellis analogy is a solid one, although Kampman is a lot more athletic than Ellis. Is he going to be a superstar in coverage? Nope. But on the majority of passing downs, he can be on the line outside of the tackle.

 

[mr. furley]

huge stretch to think any team would surrender a 1st or 2nd for a 30 year old DE who has played appx. 95% of the defensive snaps over the last few seasons.