Not the same Old Mike Vick! (1 Viewer)

[Da Guru]

Having not seen the Falcons play this year as of yet I was very interested to see the "new" Mike Vick.

What I saw was much of the same things I have seen his whole career. A guy who can tease you with his talent, yet still struggles in his 5th seaaon making the basic throws a NFL QB needs to make. to keep drives moving.

 

[Despyzer]

Heading into last night, Vick was completing 54.1% of his passes - the same as his career average. He was actually converting those passes for fewer yards than his career average. Other than his TD rate (which has now levelled off), we never were seeing anything different from Vick. Just the same old media hype that suckers in so many people.

 

[pghrob]

I know for certain that Crumpler dropped a TD right in his hands. That's 6 more Vick points my league.

 

[Pittsburgh United]

He is the most overrated football player ever.

 

[Da Guru]

I think the Falcons would have a much more consistant offense with Schaub at the the helm.

The problem is the Falcons are married to Vicks contract now. Why they over paid him that much is beyond me.

 

[my man otis]

Please. Atl WRs dropped at least 5 passes and should have caught possibly another 3 or 4.

A TD was dropped as well. Give credit where credit is due - the Saints played a helluva game.

 

[Ilov80s]

I think the Falsons would have a much more consitant offense with Schaub at the the helm.The problem is the Falcons are married to Vicks contract now. Why they over paid him that much is beyond me.

Vick did not look sharp, but those receivers were not getting any separation. Their routes were so slow, imprecise, and rough that its going to be nearly impossible for an already inaccurate QB to complete passes. Its no wonder Vick is locked in on Alge.

 

[JuniorNB]

He is the most overrated football player ever.

Bush has only played three games, so you may be right.

 

[matuski]

I know for certain that Crumpler dropped a TD right in his hands. That's 6 more Vick points my league.

That corner endzone route to Lelie may have been the worst route ever run in the league... complete lack of effort, wasn't expecting the ball.Having said that.. Vick isn't the only QB with WRs that suck/drop balls.

 

[BuckeyeArt]

I think the Falsons would have a much more consitant offense with Schaub at the the helm.The problem is the Falcons are married to Vicks contract now. Why they over paid him that much is beyond me.

Vick did not look sharp, but those receivers were not getting any separation. Their routes were so slow, imprecise, and rough that its going to be nearly impossible for an already inaccurate QB to complete passes. Its no wonder Vick is locked in on Alge.

That's exactly the impression I got. The one that sticks in my mind was by Lelie in the endzone. That was the most lazy route I've ever seen. Any DB could have stuck with him. Vick put it right to him but the DB was all over him. If Lelie had made any move at all, it would have been a TD.

 

[fsufan]

If the DEF stops him from running, he is a very mediocre NFL QB.

 

[my man otis]

If the DEF stops him from running, he is a very mediocre NFL QB.

Agreed on the NFL QB angle, but as a FF QB he's decent. He still had 50+ rushing yards last night.

 

[King of the Jungle]

If the DEF stops him from running, he is a very mediocre NFL QB.

Agreed on the NFL QB angle, but as a FF QB he's decent. He still had 50+ rushing yards last night.

Wow! That is FIVE points in my league.

Vick is Vick. The Saints defense was possessed yesterday. They created a nice little blueprint for future opponents of the Falcons. Bottomline, the Falcons are not a come from behind team.

 

[Warpig]

It looked like the Falcons thought they would win just by showing up. I didn't see any intensity or fire in them.

Vick did look subpar and I didn't like the way he would automatically lock into Crumpler who obviously left his hands on the plane. I think Crumpler dropped at least 3 passes...2 of them in the redzone! Hell, atleast dump the ball off to Dunn...he's probably got the best hands on the team.

But yeah...the Atlanta WR's as a whole suck. IF Atlanta can't run the ball they are toast.

 

[my man otis]

If the DEF stops him from running, he is a very mediocre NFL QB.

Agreed on the NFL QB angle, but as a FF QB he's decent. He still had 50+ rushing yards last night.

Wow! That is FIVE points in my league.

Vick is Vick. The Saints defense was possessed yesterday. They created a nice little blueprint for future opponents of the Falcons. Bottomline, the Falcons are not a come from behind team.

Yes, 5 more points than most other QBs get. That's my point.The knee-jerk reactions here are surprising me. Vick's had two solid games - one bad one and it's back to the "same old vick" posts.

Where were you all two days ago?

 

[thayman]

If the DEF stops him from running, he is a very mediocre NFL QB.

Agreed on the NFL QB angle, but as a FF QB he's decent. He still had 50+ rushing yards last night.

Wow! That is FIVE points in my league.

Vick is Vick. The Saints defense was possessed yesterday. They created a nice little blueprint for future opponents of the Falcons. Bottomline, the Falcons are not a come from behind team.

Yes, 5 more points than most other QBs get. That's my point.The knee-jerk reactions here are surprising me. Vick's had two solid games - one bad one and it's back to the "same old vick" posts.

Where were you all two days ago?

I've never been able to understand all the Vick hate. He does two things in every draft. Someone either takes him way, way, way too early and I don't have to worry about it, or what happens most of the time is he falls far in the draft and I pick him up for as a late round bargain.

 

[Big Score]

I know this thread was started as a Vick bashing love fest, but with all due respect, I think a more representative game should have been chosen to bash him.

I tracked all his passes last night and counted two overthrows & four short (with two of those short throws basically throw aways under immense pressure.

Conversely I counted 18 drops by the WR's & TE's.

The funniest drop of the game, was when Michael Jenkins got flagged for offensive pass interferrence. He shoved the defender out of the way, stood there to make the easy catch on a beautiful Vick throw which hit him right in the mitts...and he STILL couldn't catch it.

But if you guys are just wanting to have some fun by bashing Vick, don't let me stop you, ya'll go right ahead.

 

[JuniorNB]

If the DEF stops him from running, he is a very mediocre NFL QB.

Agreed on the NFL QB angle, but as a FF QB he's decent. He still had 50+ rushing yards last night.

Wow! That is FIVE points in my league.

Vick is Vick. The Saints defense was possessed yesterday. They created a nice little blueprint for future opponents of the Falcons. Bottomline, the Falcons are not a come from behind team.

Yes, 5 more points than most other QBs get. That's my point.The knee-jerk reactions here are surprising me. Vick's had two solid games - one bad one and it's back to the "same old vick" posts.

Where were you all two days ago?

The thing is, that little two game tease plays right into Vick's history. He basically is a very average quarterback, who occasionally does something to get fantasy owners (and the media) all excited, just to lapse back into his normal ineffectiveness.Vick will never be anything more than a shifty running back with a strong, but terribly inaccurate arm.

Atlanta should put Schaub in at quarterback and use Vick the way the Steelers used Kordell Stewart early in his career.

 

[Stealthycat]

depends on your scoring system, but the Saints played great defense, and there were dropped passes by the Falcon's receivers.

Vick didn't lose that game, the Falcons did and Vick really didn't play that poorly IMO

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

I thought Vick made some nice throws last night, including a few that required a very delicate touch. Crumpler dropped an easy as pie TD on their 2nd drive. The Saints also did a very nice job containing Vick on his outside runs and blanketing the receivers.

Of course, I knew I'd wake up to at least one "Vick is overrated" thread. Funny how these types of threads always spring into action after a bad loss.

 

[Nemesis]

Vick did look subpar and I didn't like the way he would automatically lock into Crumpler who obviously left his hands on the plane. I think Crumpler dropped at least 3 passes...2 of them in the redzone! Hell, atleast dump the ball off to Dunn...he's probably got the best hands on the team.

Dunn: with 3 games played........has only 3 rec.Blame Vick for locking onto Alge,........but also blame the ATL coaching staff for not calling plays to get Dunn the ball in the flat and let him try to create something when the gameplan wasn't working.

 

[Big Score]

If the DEF stops him from running, he is a very mediocre NFL QB.

Agreed on the NFL QB angle, but as a FF QB he's decent. He still had 50+ rushing yards last night.

Wow! That is FIVE points in my league.

Vick is Vick. The Saints defense was possessed yesterday. They created a nice little blueprint for future opponents of the Falcons. Bottomline, the Falcons are not a come from behind team.

Yes, 5 more points than most other QBs get. That's my point.The knee-jerk reactions here are surprising me. Vick's had two solid games - one bad one and it's back to the "same old vick" posts.

Where were you all two days ago?

The thing is, that little two game tease plays right into Vick's history. He basically is a very average quarterback, who occasionally does something to get fantasy owners (and the media) all excited, just to lapse back into his normal ineffectiveness.Vick will never be anything more than a shifty running back with a strong, but terribly inaccurate arm.

Atlanta should put Schaub in at quarterback and use Vick the way the Steelers used Kordell Stewart early in his career.

How many games has Schaub won for the Falcons when he's been the starter?

 

[King of the Jungle]

I am not a Vick-hater, BUT, I never thought he was an exceptional QB to begin with. I am not sure why people are surprised by his varied results. If the Falcons get an early lead, the running game is rolling, THEN Vick is able to pass on a team (because the defense is geared towards the run). BUT, if like last night (the Falcons fall behind early), Vick is not an all-pro pocket passer. He never will be. He is an average QB in my opinion, and he has never given us any signs that he is anything else. No new surprises here.

Much credit to the Saints for playing (IMO) one of the most perfect all-around games I have ever seen. Good for that city.

 

[msommer]

... if like last night (the Falcons fall behind early), Vick is not an all-pro pocket passer. ...Much credit to the Saints for playing (IMO) one of the most perfect all-around games I have ever seen. Good for that city.

I remember a stat from sometime in the second half. 29 dropbacks, 14 hurries, hit 7 and sacked 4Not sure what the statline would have been at the end of the game but you have to be a special passer if you get hurried half your dropbacks, have your receivers blanketed and then still are able to make plays in the air - Vick wasn't. Now, some of the blame must be directed at the coaches. If the secondary are on the receivers, the pass rush in your QB's face - there must be opportunities in the flats or intermediary routes.I did see some touch on a few Vick passes, so it is not like he is incapable of throwing the shorter stuff - it isn;t his strength though.

 

[King of the Jungle]

... if like last night (the Falcons fall behind early), Vick is not an all-pro pocket passer. ...Much credit to the Saints for playing (IMO) one of the most perfect all-around games I have ever seen. Good for that city.

I remember a stat from sometime in the second half. 29 dropbacks, 14 hurries, hit 7 and sacked 4Not sure what the statline would have been at the end of the game but you have to be a special passer if you get hurried half your dropbacks, have your receivers blanketed and then still are able to make plays in the air - Vick wasn't. Now, some of the blame must be directed at the coaches. If the secondary are on the receivers, the pass rush in your QB's face - there must be opportunities in the flats or intermediary routes.I did see some touch on a few Vick passes, so it is not like he is incapable of throwing the shorter stuff - it isn;t his strength though.

Absolutely. I have never seen coverage like that played consistently through an entire game, ON TOP OF THAT, the outstanding pass rush! I am not saying Vick is the worst QB in the league, he did have some good throws. But he is an average QB = not good, not bad. He could use a consistant playmaker to throw to. The Lions get bashed for their 3 first round WRs, so should the Falcons (and more so). Roy Williams > Michael Jenkins, Peerless Price, and Roddy White. Again --- PROPS TO THEM SAINTS! Sean Payton is the early favorite for coach of the year.

 

[my man otis]

If the DEF stops him from running, he is a very mediocre NFL QB.

Agreed on the NFL QB angle, but as a FF QB he's decent. He still had 50+ rushing yards last night.

Wow! That is FIVE points in my league.

Vick is Vick. The Saints defense was possessed yesterday. They created a nice little blueprint for future opponents of the Falcons. Bottomline, the Falcons are not a come from behind team.

Yes, 5 more points than most other QBs get. That's my point.The knee-jerk reactions here are surprising me. Vick's had two solid games - one bad one and it's back to the "same old vick" posts.

Where were you all two days ago?

The thing is, that little two game tease plays right into Vick's history. He basically is a very average quarterback, who occasionally does something to get fantasy owners (and the media) all excited, just to lapse back into his normal ineffectiveness.Vick will never be anything more than a shifty running back with a strong, but terribly inaccurate arm.

Atlanta should put Schaub in at quarterback and use Vick the way the Steelers used Kordell Stewart early in his career.

Just stop with the Schaub love. Vick will never, ever, ever be benched for him. The "shoulda coulda" stuff is like saying the lottery commission should give you out the winning numbers before they're drawn. Ain't gonna happen.

 

[lod2005]

He is the most overrated football player ever.

 

[Gargoylez]

He is the most overrated football player ever.

Well no, but I agree he gets a ton of hype. And he just keeps doing the same thing each year.He is the most athletic QB in the league, the Fastest and the most fun to watch.That game last night was not a good measuring stick. I think it was VERY unfair for the Falcons to go into that game with all this media and hype and the Saints just so fired up... I turned it off after the first quarter, there was no way the Saints were going to lose that game... whether a bit if sympathy play by the Falcons or not...Vick had 5 passes dropped. I heard that on the Radio this morning.Hard to complete passes when WR's and TE's drop them.Game was one of the worst games I have ever seen, everythign was very lopsided and the Falcons got JACKED, not only on teh field but simply by getting thrown into a lions den EXPECTING to lose...

 

[Steelnation]

Vick is not a QB, when will people except this???

 

[SproutDaddy]

I know for certain that Crumpler dropped a TD right in his hands. That's 6 more Vick points my league.

Crumpler dropped at least 5 passes that he should have caught. That Saints D was all over him. Vick had a decent game, no mistakes. The Falcons just never were in the game.The Vick bashing can stop now. There is no need for it. The Saints just out played them on both sides of the ball.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

He is the most overrated football player ever.

oh PUH-lease Go ask NFL defenders and Defensive co-ordinators and they will tell you the hype is warranted. Defenders and Co-ordinators game plan solely around Vick...how many other QBs get that sort of attention?

 

[MSULions]

I know this thread was started as a Vick bashing love fest, but with all due respect, I think a more representative game should have been chosen to bash him.

I tracked all his passes last night and counted two overthrows & four short (with two of those short throws basically throw aways under immense pressure.



Conversely I counted 18 drops by the WR's & TE's.

The funniest drop of the game, was when Michael Jenkins got flagged for offensive pass interferrence. He shoved the defender out of the way, stood there to make the easy catch on a beautiful Vick throw which hit him right in the mitts...and he STILL couldn't catch it.

But if you guys are just wanting to have some fun by bashing Vick, don't let me stop you, ya'll go right ahead.

so if it wasn't for his crappy receivers, he would have been 30 for 31 instead of 12 for 31????

 

[The Royal Jack]

I think the Falcons would have a much more consistant offense with Schaub at the the helm.The problem is the Falcons are married to Vicks contract now. Why they over paid him that much is beyond me.

Yep. Maybe the Raiders are interested in Vick. I think there is a chance Schaub could replace Vick next year if the Falcons don't make the playoffs. They held tight to Schaub this off season.

 

[FFdork]

I'm not calling anybody out specifically, but I knew I'd be hearing this unoriginal take from all of the Vick haters today. He didn't have a great game. He's never going to be a 65% completion kind of guy. That said, he made a lot of good throws where balls were droped and nice defensive plays were made. I got bored in the 2nd half so I missed their last few possessions. Up to that point I only counted 2 really poor throws. There were a lot of things going against the Falcons last week.

Wait and see what it looks like at the end of the year. If he's the same old Vick at that point, I'll be the first to say it. However, every QB is going to have a bad game. I can't think of another QB that people were more ready to jump all over the 2nd he does.

 

[Stealthycat]

I challenge each of you to pull the overall QB rankings for your league.

If you get points per yards, Vick has to be top 10 right now. He ranks higher than Delhomme, Culpepper, Plummer and several others

He's #7 I think in my big league's scoring system

Short of a pure TD only League, Vick has value, even on a bad night like last nigh.

 

[Steelnation]

I challenge each of you to pull the overall QB rankings for your league.If you get points per yards, Vick has to be top 10 right now. He ranks higher than Delhomme, Culpepper, Plummer and several othersHe's #7 I think in my big league's scoring systemShort of a pure TD only League, Vick has value, even on a bad night like last nigh.

He may have Fantasy value but he is not a QB....PERIOD, end of story.

 

[CrossEyed]

Vick is an elite athlete but merely an average NFL QB. I don't see that changing.

 

[Big Score]

I know this thread was started as a Vick bashing love fest, but with all due respect, I think a more representative game should have been chosen to bash him.

I tracked all his passes last night and counted two overthrows & four short (with two of those short throws basically throw aways under immense pressure.



Conversely I counted 18 drops by the WR's & TE's.

The funniest drop of the game, was when Michael Jenkins got flagged for offensive pass interferrence. He shoved the defender out of the way, stood there to make the easy catch on a beautiful Vick throw which hit him right in the mitts...and he STILL couldn't catch it.

But if you guys are just wanting to have some fun by bashing Vick, don't let me stop you, ya'll go right ahead.

so if it wasn't for his crappy receivers, he would have been 30 for 31 instead of 12 for 31????

Some of the drops were sooooo bad, I counted them twice

 

[King of the Jungle]

Vick is an elite athlete but merely an average NFL QB. I don't see that changing.

A great summary to this topic.

 

[Stealthycat]

His job title is QB, he IS a QB, like it or not, his football number is a QB's number, his stats fall into the QB category ........ it pure ignorant to say Vick isn't a QB.

He's a DIFFERENT QB ....... but a QB he is.

 

[JuniorNB]

His job title is QB, he IS a QB, like it or not, his football number is a QB's number, his stats fall into the QB category ........ it pure ignorant to say Vick isn't a QB.He's a DIFFERENT QB ....... but a QB he is.

By those standards, Todd Pinkston is a WR.

 

[Rushmore]

Please. Atl WRs dropped at least 5 passes and should have caught possibly another 3 or 4.A TD was dropped as well. Give credit where credit is due - the Saints played a helluva game.

 

[Raiders Fan]

Until Vick learns how to do a touch pass he will never progress. He seems to think you have to fire it as fast as you can to pass it. He has all the talent to be one of the best QB's but unforunately most likely won't learn..

 

[Rushmore]

Until Vick learns how to do a touch pass he will never progress. He seems to think you have to fire it as fast as you can to pass it. He has all the talent to be one of the best QB's but unforunately most likely won't learn..

The Wr's should catch those balls....it's on them. On the drops I saw, none of them were balls that were "too fast" or uncatchable.

 

[Mark Wimer]

His job title is QB, he IS a QB, like it or not, his football number is a QB's number, his stats fall into the QB category ........ it pure ignorant to say Vick isn't a QB.

He's a DIFFERENT QB ....... but a QB he is.

Yes, he's a differently abled QB. No question there - highlight reel pass one snap, ball in the turf the next.This guy is a world-beater when he is dialed in. The problem with Vick is you never know when he's going to hit 66% of his passes and run for 100+ yards, or when he is going to be sub-50% completions and run for 25. Take a look at his game logs - Game Logs - there is absolutely no consistency there and I doubt there ever will be. Vick is an "artistic spirit" - when the mood takes him, he can play football at an elite level. When he's unmotivated (for whatever reason, it is unclear what gets him on track), he is = to Kordell Stewart on a bad day.

 

[Assani Fisher]

I think the Falcons would have a much more consistant offense with Schaub at the the helm.The problem is the Falcons are married to Vicks contract now. Why they over paid him that much is beyond me.

Yep. Maybe the Raiders are interested in Vick. I think there is a chance Schaub could replace Vick next year if the Falcons don't make the playoffs. They held tight to Schaub this off season.

LOL...absolutely no way the FAlcons trade Vick. Guys, its one bad game! Before this game Vick was getting major votes in the MVP thread. His WRs are absolutely horrible. Give him good WRs and you'd see a lot better passing game.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

I challenge each of you to pull the overall QB rankings for your league.If you get points per yards, Vick has to be top 10 right now. He ranks higher than Delhomme, Culpepper, Plummer and several othersHe's #7 I think in my big league's scoring systemShort of a pure TD only League, Vick has value, even on a bad night like last nigh.

He may have Fantasy value but he is not a QB....PERIOD, end of story.

And that type of comment shows how little you actually know about the value of Vick as an NFL QB.

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

Please. Atl WRs dropped at least 5 passes and should have caught possibly another 3 or 4.A TD was dropped as well.

Vick haters would never acknowledge that...

And there was more than 5 drops. Alge had that many himself, and two of the drops, not Alge's could have went for TDs.

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

Guys, its one bad game!

And it wasn't even a truly bad game for Vick until late, when he really got sloppy, but if my WRs dropped so many balls I'd probably lose focus, too.

 

[Carnifex]

Why wasn't Vick yelling at or rallying his receivers instead of sitting by himself on the bench?