*Not Very Official Vikings-Packers Pre-Game Thread* (1 Viewer)

[mozzy84]

Brett playing in Lambeau Field with a purple helmet . Huge huge game for both sides, greenbay will be looking at a big hill to climb with the upcoming loss.

34-24 vikes win

 

[Literary Reference]

Antoine Winfield injury = #1 excuse

 

[mozzy84]

Antoine Winfield injury = #1 excuse

crappy/injured o-line and receivers = #1 excuseDo they really plan on playing DJ lang against allen?

 

[Sup_Yo]

Packers win this one.

 

[encaitar]

Antoine Winfield injury = #1 excuse

crappy/injured o-line and receivers = #1 excuseDo they really plan on playing DJ lang against allen?

If the refs keep their whistles in their pockets on all of Lang's holds like last week, then it really won't matter.

 

[JuniorNB]

I'd love to see a shoot-out here. 38-31 or something. I bet Favre wants that, too. He'd hate a 13-10 game where he hands it to Peterson 30 times.

 

[Young 8]

Packers 27

Vikings 17

 

[ScottyFargo]

Having Winfield out didn't stop the Vikings from adjusting for the Steelers, who were the #2 ranked passing attack going into last week. Roethlisberger ended up with 175 / 1TD. I'm not concerned. I'd rather have him in there, of course, but the

The Packers still need to try to plan for Rice, Shaincoe, Harvin, Peterson, and Favre. That's going to be too much for them again. That's not even talking about the Vikes D Line against the swiss cheese O-line the Packers have. It's going to be a long game for the Packers.

Favre blew up the Pack in week 4 for 271 and 3 TDs. Last week Favre threw for over 300 yards, and it took two fluke turnovers (turnovers for Favre have certainly not been the rule for him this season) and a TD called back for improper blocking for the Vikings to lose to one of the best teams in the league last week. This week is going to be a statement game for the Vikings, and for Favre specifically.

 

[madviking10]

I've seen the wheels come off the Vikings train far too many times...

Vikings 24

Packers 37

I was impressed that the Vikings played the Steelers tough at their house. I remember just a few years ago when a road game on grass was a sure loss. That being said, I dont like what I'm seeing out of ADP to this point. Seems to be getting tripped and falling right down a ton. I also dont like the lack of INT's by the D. I think at their place the secondary gets shredded and Favre starts throwing up ducks. I still like that we will likely be 6-2 going into the bye week with the division lead. Nothing will be a given but I like the Vikings chances to win the division and have a real shot at the NFC Championship game.

 

[sho nuff]

Having Winfield out didn't stop the Vikings from adjusting for the Steelers, who were the #2 ranked passing attack going into last week. Roethlisberger ended up with 175 / 1TD. I'm not concerned. I'd rather have him in there, of course, but the The Packers still need to try to plan for Rice, Shaincoe, Harvin, Peterson, and Favre. That's going to be too much for them again. That's not even talking about the Vikes D Line against the swiss cheese O-line the Packers have. It's going to be a long game for the Packers.Favre blew up the Pack in week 4 for 271 and 3 TDs. Last week Favre threw for over 300 yards, and it took two fluke turnovers (turnovers for Favre have certainly not been the rule for him this season) and a TD called back for improper blocking for the Vikings to lose to one of the best teams in the league last week. This week is going to be a statement game for the Vikings, and for Favre specifically.

While the Vikes have the advantage....lets quit the Favre threw for over 300 yards against Pitt. Wonderful...helps when you throw the ball 50 times.Yes...he carved up a zone with no pressure on him in week 4. I don't expect he sees the same thing this time. I don't think he will have as much time to throw as you think.

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

The Packers are significantly healthier going into this game than they were last time. Pro Bowl Safety Nick Collins was very questionable going into the last game and Bigby was out. They had to start a safety that had been with the team a month. Favre took advantage of that. This time both Safeties will be ready to go. Clay Matthews is also becoming a difference maker on that D, and Dom Capers has started using Aaron Kampman a lot more effectively. The offensive line is also starting to come together.

Should be a fantastic game.

 

[Kuz]

I think it will be a great game. I'm hopeful that the Vikes will be able to get AP going as I really don't want this to turn in to a shootout.. I think that favors the Pack.. The Vikings played much better last week on defense than I expected but they need to keep the scoring down this week. I think it's going to come down to a field goal & I'm hoping Favre will lead the Vikes down the field & Longwell kicks the game winner.. That would be perfect..

I say 23-20 Vikes..

 

[Literary Reference]

No one walks away from Pittsburgh feeling great, and a 2nd straight road game is always tricky. This definitely adds to the home advantage.

Hopefully GB learned from the things they did wrong last time:

- Rodgers looking for deep plays and getting sacked 8x

- very few blitzes

- Kampman not coming off the line

These are at least improved in the last 2 games.

And repeats the things they did well:

- held AP in check

- mostly good tackling

- Wells playing great at center

 

[mozzy84]

The Packers are significantly healthier going into this game than they were last time. Pro Bowl Safety Nick Collins was very questionable going into the last game and Bigby was out. They had to start a safety that had been with the team a month. Favre took advantage of that. This time both Safeties will be ready to go. Clay Matthews is also becoming a difference maker on that D, and Dom Capers has started using Aaron Kampman a lot more effectively. The offensive line is also starting to come together.

Should be a fantastic game.

huh I thought I read they are basically down to three wideouts (isnt Finley likely out also?) on the team and the o-line is still a mess with question marks all over it. I think you are overrating nick collins and bigby's impact just a tad also, yes they are better than the backups but neither scares anyone imo.

 

[Man in the yellow hat]

The Packers are significantly healthier going into this game than they were last time. Pro Bowl Safety Nick Collins was very questionable going into the last game and Bigby was out. They had to start a safety that had been with the team a month. Favre took advantage of that. This time both Safeties will be ready to go. Clay Matthews is also becoming a difference maker on that D, and Dom Capers has started using Aaron Kampman a lot more effectively. The offensive line is also starting to come together.

Should be a fantastic game.

huh I thought I read they are basically down to three wideouts (isnt Finley likely out also?) on the team and the o-line is still a mess with question marks all over it. I think you are overrating nick collins and bigby's impact just a tad also, yes they are better than the backups but neither scares anyone imo.

While they may not scare anyone, you are significantly underestimating how much the defensive playbook was scaled back when they started a safety that wasn't even on the team until after training camp.

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

The Packers are significantly healthier going into this game than they were last time. Pro Bowl Safety Nick Collins was very questionable going into the last game and Bigby was out. They had to start a safety that had been with the team a month. Favre took advantage of that. This time both Safeties will be ready to go. Clay Matthews is also becoming a difference maker on that D, and Dom Capers has started using Aaron Kampman a lot more effectively. The offensive line is also starting to come together.

Should be a fantastic game.

huh I thought I read they are basically down to three wideouts (isnt Finley likely out also?) on the team and the o-line is still a mess with question marks all over it. I think you are overrating nick collins and bigby's impact just a tad also, yes they are better than the backups but neither scares anyone imo.

Yes, they will be without Jordy Nelson and Brett Swain their #4 and #5 WRs respectively. Finley will probably be out too. However, Jake Allen WR will most likely take on the role of Jordy Nelson. He's been with the team a couple of years on the Practice squad and definitely has had his moments in training camp. Havner will most likely fill in for Finley. Thats more of a downgrade than the WR position, but Havner is quite capable as he showed last week. The Packers will have plenty of weapons to work with come Sunday. A big part of the reason Capers didn't blitz much in the first game was due to the fact that Bigby was out. He was afraid to leave Derrick Martin back there by himself. I don't see the Packers blitzing a ton this time either, but when they do, they'll have experienced guys that can fill the defensive backfield. So on their own do Collins and Bigby scare people? Probably not. But it does allow the Packers defense to be a lot more creative. That will have a much bigger effect on the game than what you may think.

 

[meeka]

No one walks away from Pittsburgh feeling great, and a 2nd straight road game is always tricky. This definitely adds to the home advantage.

Hopefully GB learned from the things they did wrong last time:

- Rodgers looking for deep plays and getting sacked 8x

- very few blitzes

- Kampman not coming off the line

These are at least improved in the last 2 games.

And repeats the things they did well:

- held AP in check

- mostly good tackling

- Wells playing great at center

I do not think improving on those things against the Lions and Browns will automatically carry over against a good team.

 

[smackdaddies]

I am feeling better about this game than the first (which I predicted a Vike Queen win)

Reasons

1. Favre was Favre last week - handing off to the Pitt lineman was a classic Favre move. Of course in order for this to work, the Pack has to apply pressure - Kampman lining up hand down has helped - I am betting on 3 sacks this time, one of which is a fumble.

2. Packers secondary is better. Pack made the Queens beat them with the pass (which they did). They will go the same route this time - the secondary is in better shape.

3. Rain Friday/Sat, Snow showers Sunday - Nasty wet field means Vike Queens get all prissy and fumble fingered. Time for the Packer to slog it out.

Missing Finley will hurt, Swain wont, although this means the Pack is now on their 3rd string returners.

 

[Jeremy]

The Packers are significantly healthier going into this game than they were last time. Pro Bowl Safety Nick Collins was very questionable going into the last game and Bigby was out. They had to start a safety that had been with the team a month. Favre took advantage of that. This time both Safeties will be ready to go. Clay Matthews is also becoming a difference maker on that D, and Dom Capers has started using Aaron Kampman a lot more effectively. The offensive line is also starting to come together.

Should be a fantastic game.

huh I thought I read they are basically down to three wideouts (isnt Finley likely out also?) on the team and the o-line is still a mess with question marks all over it. I think you are overrating nick collins and bigby's impact just a tad also, yes they are better than the backups but neither scares anyone imo.

The Packers were basically playing with 10 defensive players in that game. Derrick Martin was new to the team and didn't have a CLUE what he was doing. He was out of position on nearly every play. Words can't describe how awful he was. But yeah, the Finley and Nelson injuries aren't going to help.

 

[ScottyFargo]

While the Vikes have the advantage....lets quit the Favre threw for over 300 yards against Pitt. Wonderful...helps when you throw the ball 50 times.Yes...he carved up a zone with no pressure on him in week 4. I don't expect he sees the same thing this time. I don't think he will have as much time to throw as you think.

?? Should Favre have completed one pass of 330 yards? Pittsburgh passing D was not stopping teams this year?

 

[sho nuff]

While the Vikes have the advantage....lets quit the Favre threw for over 300 yards against Pitt. Wonderful...helps when you throw the ball 50 times.Yes...he carved up a zone with no pressure on him in week 4. I don't expect he sees the same thing this time. I don't think he will have as much time to throw as you think.

?? Should Favre have completed one pass of 330 yards? Pittsburgh passing D was not stopping teams this year?

The point is pumping up 300 yards as a huge milestone is great...but with as many times as they threw the ball...he should have had 300 yards. Sorry, its not a huge great stat when you throw the ball 51 times.He had a pretty good game and threw it well, not denying that...just to pump him up because of a 300 yard game after 51 attempts is laughable.Even Big Ben had a higher yards per attempt and did not play all that well.

 

[Bull Dozier]

This game will definitely be more closely contested that the first game. Obviously, being a road game for the Vikes, I don't have a good feeling going in. There are three keys to the game in my book:

1. Peterson - Is he motivated to play better than the first Pack game? Is he more involved in the passing game? Does he hold onto the ball? His play (obviously) is going to determine a lot. I don't think the Vikes win without him again (unless #3 happens).

2. Packer D - What are they going to bring? Are they going to take a page from the Steelers last week (which I think they should) and bring the heat, or are they going to be passive again? Personally, I think they need to bring the heat. If they try to rush 4 all game again with inconsistent pressure, Favre will pick them apart again, regardless of who they are getting back. When Favre has had time this season, he's been fantastic. Under pressure is the only time bad things have happened.

3. Favre - What mind set does he bring to the game? Is he going to try to take center stage, and show the Pack what they sent packing and force throws, try to make the big play, etc? That would be a bad thing, unless he bring a MNF, day after his father died like performance, and raises the level of play on the whole team again. I certainly wouldn't predict a game like that, but it wouldn't surprise me.

 

[3 hour lunch]

Huge game for both teams. Lost in all of the Favre drama is the fact that with a win, the Vikes move 2.5 games ahead in the division which would include a sweep of the Pack. With a loss, the lead would be a 1/2 game, with no tiebreaker sweep. Much like the Pitt game, I could see this one going either way. I'll say 21-20, Vikes.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

My recollection is that the Packers out-gained the Vikings both on the ground and in the air in the first game, by nearly 100 total yards. The Vikings gained barely 2 yards per carry, while the Packers were nearly 5 ypc. TOP was about even. Overall, I don't think the Vikings offense or defense was dominant. The key things I remember are the Packers going 0-2 in the red zone (one fumble, once stopped on four downs at goal to go), the sacks, and the lack of pressure on Favre. If one or more of those factors tilts a bit in the Packers' favor, the game has a different outcome. On the flip side, I think Clay Matthews made a huge play to score after ripping the ball from Peterson, which - while truely a special play by the rookie - was certainly a bit of a fluke play that kept the Packers in the game.

The great thing for me is that this game is now much bigger than Favre returning to Lambeau - it could potentially decide the division. If the Packers win, they will have a game at Tampa the following week that would allow them to complete the first half of the season even with Minnesota at 6-2.

 

[Kuz]

My recollection is that the Packers out-gained the Vikings both on the ground and in the air in the first game, by nearly 100 total yards. The Vikings gained barely 2 yards per carry, while the Packers were nearly 5 ypc. TOP was about even. Overall, I don't think the Vikings offense or defense was dominant. The key things I remember are the Packers going 0-2 in the red zone (one fumble, once stopped on four downs at goal to go), the sacks, and the lack of pressure on Favre. If one or more of those factors tilts a bit in the Packers' favor, the game has a different outcome. On the flip side, I think Clay Matthews made a huge play to score after ripping the ball from Peterson, which - while truely a special play by the rookie - was certainly a bit of a fluke play that kept the Packers in the game.The great thing for me is that this game is now much bigger than Favre returning to Lambeau - it could potentially decide the division. If the Packers win, they will have a game at Tampa the following week that would allow them to complete the first half of the season even with Minnesota at 6-2.

I guess I recall a different game then you.. I thought the Vikes pretty much were in control the entire game & the Packers gained most of their yards playing catch up while the Vikes were playing their pathetic prevent defense.. Should be a great game this week though. It's going to be tough for the Vikings to win but they sure could.. I really see a 3 point win either way..

 

[mozzy84]

The great thing for me is that this game is now much bigger than Favre returning to Lambeau - it could potentially decide the division. If the Packers win, they will have a game at Tampa the following week that would allow them to complete the first half of the season even with Minnesota at 6-2.

its almost must win for the pack if they want the division.

 

[Stinger Ray]

While the Vikes have the advantage....lets quit the Favre threw for over 300 yards against Pitt. Wonderful...helps when you throw the ball 50 times.Yes...he carved up a zone with no pressure on him in week 4. I don't expect he sees the same thing this time. I don't think he will have as much time to throw as you think.

?? Should Favre have completed one pass of 330 yards? Pittsburgh passing D was not stopping teams this year?

He had a pretty good game and threw it well, not denying that...just to pump him up because of a 300 yard game after 51 attempts is laughable.

It is funny watching you nitpick when people write something positive about Favre.

 

[Stinger Ray]

The great thing for me is that this game is now much bigger than Favre returning to Lambeau - it could potentially decide the division. If the Packers win, they will have a game at Tampa the following week that would allow them to complete the first half of the season even with Minnesota at 6-2.

its almost must win for the pack if they want the division.

 

[ScottyFargo]

While the Vikes have the advantage....lets quit the Favre threw for over 300 yards against Pitt. Wonderful...helps when you throw the ball 50 times.Yes...he carved up a zone with no pressure on him in week 4. I don't expect he sees the same thing this time. I don't think he will have as much time to throw as you think.

?? Should Favre have completed one pass of 330 yards? Pittsburgh passing D was not stopping teams this year?

The point is pumping up 300 yards as a huge milestone is great...but with as many times as they threw the ball...he should have had 300 yards. Sorry, its not a huge great stat when you throw the ball 51 times.He had a pretty good game and threw it well, not denying that...just to pump him up because of a 300 yard game after 51 attempts is laughable.Even Big Ben had a higher yards per attempt and did not play all that well.

So it's laughable that Favre completed 66% of his throws and put up 334 yards against a tough Pittsburgh defense just because he had to throw 51 passes. He did it, who cares how? Pittsburgh made the team one dimensional by taking away Peterson, and they still passed to get to/ near the redzone three times. There are teams that have to throw it that much but don't get the completions and can't get the yards. Ridiculous that somehow putting up 334 yards is only due to him passing so much. He had to actually complete some passes, they don't just give you yardage for attempts.

 

[Stinger Ray]

The key is if the Packers try and go after Favre more than they did in Minnesota. If they want to sit back again then forget it. Favre will pick them apart again. If they do go after him I think the Packers have a good chance to win the game.

 

[mozzy84]

While the Vikes have the advantage....lets quit the Favre threw for over 300 yards against Pitt. Wonderful...helps when you throw the ball 50 times.Yes...he carved up a zone with no pressure on him in week 4. I don't expect he sees the same thing this time. I don't think he will have as much time to throw as you think.

?? Should Favre have completed one pass of 330 yards? Pittsburgh passing D was not stopping teams this year?

He had a pretty good game and threw it well, not denying that...just to pump him up because of a 300 yard game after 51 attempts is laughable.

It is funny watching you nitpick when people write something positive about Favre.

should have seen him 3 years ago when someone would say something bad about him.

 

[datonn]

Can't we just sum things up and [/thread] with:

Vikings:

Packers:

Vikings fans:

Packers fans:

Brett Favre to Packers fans: thru 2007, since.

Brett Favre to Viking fans: thru 2007, in 2008, in 2009

shonuff:

Mr. Pack, datonn and about 20 others:

Seems like we could all save about 20 pages of swill if we could all agree on the above, lol.

 

[ScottyFargo]

Can't we just sum things up and [/thread] with:Vikings: Packers: Vikings fans: Packers fans: Brett Favre to Packers fans: thru 2007, since.Brett Favre to Viking fans: thru 2007, in 2008, in 2009shonuff: Mr. Pack, datonn and about 20 others: Seems like we could all save about 20 pages of swill if we could all agree on the above, lol.

You're right I am too easily fished

 

[mozzy84]

Can't we just sum things up and [/thread] with:Vikings: Packers: Vikings fans: Packers fans: Brett Favre to Packers fans: thru 2007, since.Brett Favre to Viking fans: thru 2007, in 2008, in 2009shonuff: Mr. Pack, datonn and about 20 others: Seems like we could all save about 20 pages of swill if we could all agree on the above, lol.

come on we are just getting started

 

[Stinger Ray]

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Garry D. Howard | Sports Editor

Cheer first, jeer later

Show Favre respect, then boo like crazy

Posted: Oct. 26, 2009

This is pretty simple, Green Bay fans:

When Brett Favre, aka No.&ensp4, enters Lambeau Field late Sunday afternoon in his white Minnesota Vikings uniform - intent on working his magic for the purple-helmeted enemy - this is what you should do, please.

Stand up in front of your seat, put your hands together and clap. And whistle. And then clap some more. Forcefully. And cheer. Loud. Louder. The loudest you have ever screamed in your life.

That's right.&ensp.&ensp.&ensp. 

Show him the love and affection he has certainly earned by leading this franchise back to respectability and its rightful place as "Titletown."

Empower yourselves by showing off your obvious class with this rousing ovation.

Make him cry huge teardrops (he may just do that, mind you) all over his graying beard.

And then, after four strong minutes of this lovefest, hope that your boys, the Packers, kick his Hall of Fame (expletive deleted).

This is why you should react in my suggested manner.

First off, Brett deserves it.

Yes, I know, I know. He attempted to force his will one too many times on a franchise that supported him during the toughest years of his career, when he was battling Vicodin and the bottle, demons that had almost taken away football, the true love in life this side of his devoted family.

But this also is the man who never missed one single, stinking start during his 16-year career with the Packers. This is a man who suited up for a "Monday Night Football" clash against the Oakland Raiders six years ago, just one day after his beloved father, Irv, died of a heart attack, and proceeded to put on a performance that stands as one of the most riveting in the history of that television show. This is The Man, quite frankly, who brought the Lombardi Trophy back home to Green Bay.

Brett guided this franchise when it didn't have a leader at the quarterback position, and although he had a ton of help in his effort to raise the Packers to Super Bowl-worthy status, he was the main reason that fierce troops arrived in Green Bay in the form of Reggie White, Santana Dotson, Desmond Howard and so on.

He has it all.

Guts and guile.

Talent and obsession.

Stubbornness and playfulness.

And that is why the divorce was so messy.

Still, from where I sit, the love on both sides is clearly evident, I don't care what comes out of your mouth, because the numbers on my side of this business say you are ravenous when it comes to any news concerning No.&ensp4.

Business got in the way of this relationship, that's all - I'm on record as stating that it was definitely time to say goodbye - but it is the only reason Brett will be standing on the wrong side of the field come Sunday afternoon.

He showed a resiliency that is a hallmark of the Packers during his time here and played with an abandon that worked beautifully in 1996 and 1997, and has kept you riveted ever since.

Deep down, he is a Green Bay Packer. And you know this. The hate you feel is just the passion that burns for the Green and Gold, not your true feelings about a player that some of you even named your sons after.

So when No.&ensp4 enters the building from which he was so famously extricated, show your class.

He deserves to hear your cheers.

Once the game begins, he will be just another quarterback standing in the way of a crucial victory in the 2009 season for your Green Bay Packers.&ensp.&ensp.&ensp.

Which means you are well within your rights to "give him the business" from the first second of the first quarter until the final second ticks off the Lambeau Field scoreboard.

First, though, make sure you do the right thing.

 

[Literary Reference]

Did you guys think Childress coached the first game well? I saw the usual 4 or 5 gaffes but they didn't end up costing the Vikings.

- 2 non-challenges that they would have won (on one I think he milled around then threw the flag too late, got an INT later in the drive)

- 3rd down bomb call with 2:30 left instead of running the clock down to the 2 min warning - GB quickly scored a TD (don't know if this was Favre or the coach admittedly)

- not going for it on 4th and 1 at the GB 40 late in the game. Matter of opinion I suppose, as Kluwe punted it inside the 5. I thought they could have easily converted at that point though.

Dis/agree?

 

[Sabertooth]

Antoine Winfield injury = #1 excuse

crappy/injured o-line and receivers = #1 excuseDo they really plan on playing DJ lang against allen?

TJ Lang.

 

[Sabertooth]

The Packers are significantly healthier going into this game than they were last time. Pro Bowl Safety Nick Collins was very questionable going into the last game and Bigby was out. They had to start a safety that had been with the team a month. Favre took advantage of that. This time both Safeties will be ready to go. Clay Matthews is also becoming a difference maker on that D, and Dom Capers has started using Aaron Kampman a lot more effectively. The offensive line is also starting to come together.

Should be a fantastic game.

huh I thought I read they are basically down to three wideouts (isnt Finley likely out also?) on the team and the o-line is still a mess with question marks all over it. I think you are overrating nick collins and bigby's impact just a tad also, yes they are better than the backups but neither scares anyone imo.

Nick Collins was a Pro Bowler last season and is one of the best in the business. That you don't realize this speaks to your knowledge. So the "imo" actually works against you here.

 

[mozzy84]

The Packers are significantly healthier going into this game than they were last time. Pro Bowl Safety Nick Collins was very questionable going into the last game and Bigby was out. They had to start a safety that had been with the team a month. Favre took advantage of that. This time both Safeties will be ready to go. Clay Matthews is also becoming a difference maker on that D, and Dom Capers has started using Aaron Kampman a lot more effectively. The offensive line is also starting to come together.

Should be a fantastic game.

huh I thought I read they are basically down to three wideouts (isnt Finley likely out also?) on the team and the o-line is still a mess with question marks all over it. I think you are overrating nick collins and bigby's impact just a tad also, yes they are better than the backups but neither scares anyone imo.

Nick Collins was a Pro Bowler last season and is one of the best in the business. That you don't realize this speaks to your knowledge. So the "imo" actually works against you here.

he happened to score 3 tds. congrats. you think hes going to make the pro bowl this year? or ever again for that matter?

 

[Sabertooth]

The Packers are significantly healthier going into this game than they were last time. Pro Bowl Safety Nick Collins was very questionable going into the last game and Bigby was out. They had to start a safety that had been with the team a month. Favre took advantage of that. This time both Safeties will be ready to go. Clay Matthews is also becoming a difference maker on that D, and Dom Capers has started using Aaron Kampman a lot more effectively. The offensive line is also starting to come together.

Should be a fantastic game.

huh I thought I read they are basically down to three wideouts (isnt Finley likely out also?) on the team and the o-line is still a mess with question marks all over it. I think you are overrating nick collins and bigby's impact just a tad also, yes they are better than the backups but neither scares anyone imo.

Nick Collins was a Pro Bowler last season and is one of the best in the business. That you don't realize this speaks to your knowledge. So the "imo" actually works against you here.

he happened to score 3 tds. congrats. you think hes going to make the pro bowl this year? or ever again for that matter?

I don't know. I can think of two safeties that are better, maybe three. All play for the AFC though. He's way better than that chump they trotted out there last game, I'll say that much.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

- 3rd down bomb call with 2:30 left instead of running the clock down to the 2 min warning - GB quickly scored a TD (don't know if this was Favre or the coach admittedly)

At the time I assumed this was a Favre audible. The Packers were out of timeouts. It was classic Favre to take a shot downfield, completely ignoring the obviously preferrable option of running the clock.

 

[VTjkru]

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Garry D. Howard | Sports Editor

Cheer first, jeer later

Show Favre respect, then boo like crazy

Posted: Oct. 26, 2009

This is pretty simple, Green Bay fans:

When Brett Favre, aka No.&ensp4, enters Lambeau Field late Sunday afternoon in his white Minnesota Vikings uniform - intent on working his magic for the purple-helmeted enemy - this is what you should do, please.

Stand up in front of your seat, put your hands together and clap. And whistle. And then clap some more. Forcefully. And cheer. Loud. Louder. The loudest you have ever screamed in your life.

That's right.&ensp.&ensp.&ensp. 

Show him the love and affection he has certainly earned by leading this franchise back to respectability and its rightful place as "Titletown."

Empower yourselves by showing off your obvious class with this rousing ovation.

Make him cry huge teardrops (he may just do that, mind you) all over his graying beard.

And then, after four strong minutes of this lovefest, hope that your boys, the Packers, kick his Hall of Fame (expletive deleted).

This is why you should react in my suggested manner.

First off, Brett deserves it.

Yes, I know, I know. He attempted to force his will one too many times on a franchise that supported him during the toughest years of his career, when he was battling Vicodin and the bottle, demons that had almost taken away football, the true love in life this side of his devoted family.

But this also is the man who never missed one single, stinking start during his 16-year career with the Packers. This is a man who suited up for a "Monday Night Football" clash against the Oakland Raiders six years ago, just one day after his beloved father, Irv, died of a heart attack, and proceeded to put on a performance that stands as one of the most riveting in the history of that television show. This is The Man, quite frankly, who brought the Lombardi Trophy back home to Green Bay.

Brett guided this franchise when it didn't have a leader at the quarterback position, and although he had a ton of help in his effort to raise the Packers to Super Bowl-worthy status, he was the main reason that fierce troops arrived in Green Bay in the form of Reggie White, Santana Dotson, Desmond Howard and so on.

He has it all.

Guts and guile.

Talent and obsession.

Stubbornness and playfulness.

And that is why the divorce was so messy.

Still, from where I sit, the love on both sides is clearly evident, I don't care what comes out of your mouth, because the numbers on my side of this business say you are ravenous when it comes to any news concerning No.&ensp4.

Business got in the way of this relationship, that's all - I'm on record as stating that it was definitely time to say goodbye - but it is the only reason Brett will be standing on the wrong side of the field come Sunday afternoon.

He showed a resiliency that is a hallmark of the Packers during his time here and played with an abandon that worked beautifully in 1996 and 1997, and has kept you riveted ever since.

Deep down, he is a Green Bay Packer. And you know this. The hate you feel is just the passion that burns for the Green and Gold, not your true feelings about a player that some of you even named your sons after.

So when No.&ensp4 enters the building from which he was so famously extricated, show your class.

He deserves to hear your cheers.

Once the game begins, he will be just another quarterback standing in the way of a crucial victory in the 2009 season for your Green Bay Packers.&ensp.&ensp.&ensp.

Which means you are well within your rights to "give him the business" from the first second of the first quarter until the final second ticks off the Lambeau Field scoreboard.

First, though, make sure you do the right thing.

I like this betterhttp://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/66155357.html

LEROY BUTLER

Q. What do you think the fan reaction to Brett Favre should be at Lambeau Field this Sunday and what do you think it actually will be?

A. The reaction should be 100% about Aaron Rodgers. When Aaron Rodgers comes out there you should give Aaron Rodgers a standing ovation because he’s our guy for the next 10 years. When Brett comes out you do like any other opposing quarterback, you boo him. If you don’t want to boo him, don’t say anything. But if you’re going to stand up wearing Packer clothing or a Packer uniform and cheer when Brett Favre comes out, you should bring a bag and put it over your head. You don’t cheer for somebody to beat your team, I don’t care who it is. You don’t cheer for another quarterback. If you want to cheer Brett, just bring a bag, put it over your head and you can cheer, and no one will hear you and that’s fine. This is Aaron Rodgers’ show. Don’t let somebody come into your back yard and cheer against you. You don’t cheer for another guy to beat your team. I hope I’m crystal clear with these fans who say they love to see Brett Favre. Well, Brett Favre is gone. It’s Aaron Rodgers’ show. He’s the No. 1-rated quarterback in the NFC, including Brett Favre. I’m happy we’ll be good for the next 10 years. I hope they’ll cheer Aaron and boo Brett. If they don’t want to boo him, that’s their right. But any other quarterback they’d boo, what makes him so special? I mean, wait until he has his number retired, you can cheer him then. You can applaud him all you want. You can’t do that the day of the game, and want your team to win. That’s standing on the fence. You’re either a Packer fan or a Brett fan. If you’re a Brett fan, go buy some purple and wear purple. I have a strong feeling on this, this is my team. I played 12 years for this team. Anybody who comes into that stadium, I want them to lose. If it were me coming back, I wouldn’t expect anyone to cheer for me when I’m going to destroy your team. Of course not.

 

[Pipes]

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Garry D. Howard | Sports Editor

Cheer first, jeer later

Show Favre respect, then boo like crazy

Posted: Oct. 26, 2009

This is pretty simple, Green Bay fans:

When Brett Favre, aka No.&ensp4, enters Lambeau Field late Sunday afternoon in his white Minnesota Vikings uniform - intent on working his magic for the purple-helmeted enemy - this is what you should do, please.

Stand up in front of your seat, put your hands together and clap. And whistle. And then clap some more. Forcefully. And cheer. Loud. Louder. The loudest you have ever screamed in your life.

That's right.&ensp.&ensp.&ensp. 

Show him the love and affection he has certainly earned by leading this franchise back to respectability and its rightful place as "Titletown."

Empower yourselves by showing off your obvious class with this rousing ovation.

Make him cry huge teardrops (he may just do that, mind you) all over his graying beard.

And then, after four strong minutes of this lovefest, hope that your boys, the Packers, kick his Hall of Fame (expletive deleted).

This is why you should react in my suggested manner.

First off, Brett deserves it.

Yes, I know, I know. He attempted to force his will one too many times on a franchise that supported him during the toughest years of his career, when he was battling Vicodin and the bottle, demons that had almost taken away football, the true love in life this side of his devoted family.

But this also is the man who never missed one single, stinking start during his 16-year career with the Packers. This is a man who suited up for a "Monday Night Football" clash against the Oakland Raiders six years ago, just one day after his beloved father, Irv, died of a heart attack, and proceeded to put on a performance that stands as one of the most riveting in the history of that television show. This is The Man, quite frankly, who brought the Lombardi Trophy back home to Green Bay.

Brett guided this franchise when it didn't have a leader at the quarterback position, and although he had a ton of help in his effort to raise the Packers to Super Bowl-worthy status, he was the main reason that fierce troops arrived in Green Bay in the form of Reggie White, Santana Dotson, Desmond Howard and so on.

He has it all.

Guts and guile.

Talent and obsession.

Stubbornness and playfulness.

And that is why the divorce was so messy.

Still, from where I sit, the love on both sides is clearly evident, I don't care what comes out of your mouth, because the numbers on my side of this business say you are ravenous when it comes to any news concerning No.&ensp4.

Business got in the way of this relationship, that's all - I'm on record as stating that it was definitely time to say goodbye - but it is the only reason Brett will be standing on the wrong side of the field come Sunday afternoon.

He showed a resiliency that is a hallmark of the Packers during his time here and played with an abandon that worked beautifully in 1996 and 1997, and has kept you riveted ever since.

Deep down, he is a Green Bay Packer. And you know this. The hate you feel is just the passion that burns for the Green and Gold, not your true feelings about a player that some of you even named your sons after.

So when No.&ensp4 enters the building from which he was so famously extricated, show your class.

He deserves to hear your cheers.

Once the game begins, he will be just another quarterback standing in the way of a crucial victory in the 2009 season for your Green Bay Packers.&ensp.&ensp.&ensp.

Which means you are well within your rights to "give him the business" from the first second of the first quarter until the final second ticks off the Lambeau Field scoreboard.

First, though, make sure you do the right thing.

I like this betterhttp://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/66155357.html

LEROY BUTLER

Q. What do you think the fan reaction to Brett Favre should be at Lambeau Field this Sunday and what do you think it actually will be?

A. The reaction should be 100% about Aaron Rodgers. When Aaron Rodgers comes out there you should give Aaron Rodgers a standing ovation because he’s our guy for the next 10 years. When Brett comes out you do like any other opposing quarterback, you boo him. If you don’t want to boo him, don’t say anything. But if you’re going to stand up wearing Packer clothing or a Packer uniform and cheer when Brett Favre comes out, you should bring a bag and put it over your head. You don’t cheer for somebody to beat your team, I don’t care who it is. You don’t cheer for another quarterback. If you want to cheer Brett, just bring a bag, put it over your head and you can cheer, and no one will hear you and that’s fine. This is Aaron Rodgers’ show. Don’t let somebody come into your back yard and cheer against you. You don’t cheer for another guy to beat your team. I hope I’m crystal clear with these fans who say they love to see Brett Favre. Well, Brett Favre is gone. It’s Aaron Rodgers’ show. He’s the No. 1-rated quarterback in the NFC, including Brett Favre. I’m happy we’ll be good for the next 10 years. I hope they’ll cheer Aaron and boo Brett. If they don’t want to boo him, that’s their right. But any other quarterback they’d boo, what makes him so special? I mean, wait until he has his number retired, you can cheer him then. You can applaud him all you want. You can’t do that the day of the game, and want your team to win. That’s standing on the fence. You’re either a Packer fan or a Brett fan. If you’re a Brett fan, go buy some purple and wear purple. I have a strong feeling on this, this is my team. I played 12 years for this team. Anybody who comes into that stadium, I want them to lose. If it were me coming back, I wouldn’t expect anyone to cheer for me when I’m going to destroy your team. Of course not.

Excellent response from Butler.

 

[Sabertooth]

Butler gets it. I hope Brent gets booed.

 

[Tony Jabroni]

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Garry D. Howard | Sports Editor

Cheer first, jeer later

Show Favre respect, then boo like crazy

Posted: Oct. 26, 2009

This is pretty simple, Green Bay fans:

When Brett Favre, aka No.&ensp4, enters Lambeau Field late Sunday afternoon in his white Minnesota Vikings uniform - intent on working his magic for the purple-helmeted enemy - this is what you should do, please.

Stand up in front of your seat, put your hands together and clap. And whistle. And then clap some more. Forcefully. And cheer. Loud. Louder. The loudest you have ever screamed in your life.

That's right.&ensp.&ensp.&ensp. 

Show him the love and affection he has certainly earned by leading this franchise back to respectability and its rightful place as "Titletown."

Empower yourselves by showing off your obvious class with this rousing ovation.

Make him cry huge teardrops (he may just do that, mind you) all over his graying beard.

And then, after four strong minutes of this lovefest, hope that your boys, the Packers, kick his Hall of Fame (expletive deleted).

This is why you should react in my suggested manner.

First off, Brett deserves it.

Yes, I know, I know. He attempted to force his will one too many times on a franchise that supported him during the toughest years of his career, when he was battling Vicodin and the bottle, demons that had almost taken away football, the true love in life this side of his devoted family.

But this also is the man who never missed one single, stinking start during his 16-year career with the Packers. This is a man who suited up for a "Monday Night Football" clash against the Oakland Raiders six years ago, just one day after his beloved father, Irv, died of a heart attack, and proceeded to put on a performance that stands as one of the most riveting in the history of that television show. This is The Man, quite frankly, who brought the Lombardi Trophy back home to Green Bay.

Brett guided this franchise when it didn't have a leader at the quarterback position, and although he had a ton of help in his effort to raise the Packers to Super Bowl-worthy status, he was the main reason that fierce troops arrived in Green Bay in the form of Reggie White, Santana Dotson, Desmond Howard and so on.

He has it all.

Guts and guile.

Talent and obsession.

Stubbornness and playfulness.

And that is why the divorce was so messy.

Still, from where I sit, the love on both sides is clearly evident, I don't care what comes out of your mouth, because the numbers on my side of this business say you are ravenous when it comes to any news concerning No.&ensp4.

Business got in the way of this relationship, that's all - I'm on record as stating that it was definitely time to say goodbye - but it is the only reason Brett will be standing on the wrong side of the field come Sunday afternoon.

He showed a resiliency that is a hallmark of the Packers during his time here and played with an abandon that worked beautifully in 1996 and 1997, and has kept you riveted ever since.

Deep down, he is a Green Bay Packer. And you know this. The hate you feel is just the passion that burns for the Green and Gold, not your true feelings about a player that some of you even named your sons after.

So when No.&ensp4 enters the building from which he was so famously extricated, show your class.

He deserves to hear your cheers.

Once the game begins, he will be just another quarterback standing in the way of a crucial victory in the 2009 season for your Green Bay Packers.&ensp.&ensp.&ensp.

Which means you are well within your rights to "give him the business" from the first second of the first quarter until the final second ticks off the Lambeau Field scoreboard.

First, though, make sure you do the right thing.

I like this betterhttp://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/66155357.html

LEROY BUTLER

Q. What do you think the fan reaction to Brett Favre should be at Lambeau Field this Sunday and what do you think it actually will be?

A. The reaction should be 100% about Aaron Rodgers. When Aaron Rodgers comes out there you should give Aaron Rodgers a standing ovation because he’s our guy for the next 10 years. When Brett comes out you do like any other opposing quarterback, you boo him. If you don’t want to boo him, don’t say anything. But if you’re going to stand up wearing Packer clothing or a Packer uniform and cheer when Brett Favre comes out, you should bring a bag and put it over your head. You don’t cheer for somebody to beat your team, I don’t care who it is. You don’t cheer for another quarterback. If you want to cheer Brett, just bring a bag, put it over your head and you can cheer, and no one will hear you and that’s fine. This is Aaron Rodgers’ show. Don’t let somebody come into your back yard and cheer against you. You don’t cheer for another guy to beat your team. I hope I’m crystal clear with these fans who say they love to see Brett Favre. Well, Brett Favre is gone. It’s Aaron Rodgers’ show. He’s the No. 1-rated quarterback in the NFC, including Brett Favre. I’m happy we’ll be good for the next 10 years. I hope they’ll cheer Aaron and boo Brett. If they don’t want to boo him, that’s their right. But any other quarterback they’d boo, what makes him so special? I mean, wait until he has his number retired, you can cheer him then. You can applaud him all you want. You can’t do that the day of the game, and want your team to win. That’s standing on the fence. You’re either a Packer fan or a Brett fan. If you’re a Brett fan, go buy some purple and wear purple. I have a strong feeling on this, this is my team. I played 12 years for this team. Anybody who comes into that stadium, I want them to lose. If it were me coming back, I wouldn’t expect anyone to cheer for me when I’m going to destroy your team. Of course not.

Excellent response from Butler.

 

[sho nuff]

While the Vikes have the advantage....lets quit the Favre threw for over 300 yards against Pitt. Wonderful...helps when you throw the ball 50 times.Yes...he carved up a zone with no pressure on him in week 4. I don't expect he sees the same thing this time. I don't think he will have as much time to throw as you think.

?? Should Favre have completed one pass of 330 yards? Pittsburgh passing D was not stopping teams this year?

He had a pretty good game and threw it well, not denying that...just to pump him up because of a 300 yard game after 51 attempts is laughable.

It is funny watching you nitpick when people write something positive about Favre.

Yawn...more things about me and less about the topic huh?And it was not nitpicking because someone said something about Favre. id have said it in any thread I have been in had someone brought up a QB throwing for 300 yards as a big deal on 51 attempts.

 

[sho nuff]

While the Vikes have the advantage....lets quit the Favre threw for over 300 yards against Pitt. Wonderful...helps when you throw the ball 50 times.Yes...he carved up a zone with no pressure on him in week 4. I don't expect he sees the same thing this time. I don't think he will have as much time to throw as you think.

?? Should Favre have completed one pass of 330 yards? Pittsburgh passing D was not stopping teams this year?

The point is pumping up 300 yards as a huge milestone is great...but with as many times as they threw the ball...he should have had 300 yards. Sorry, its not a huge great stat when you throw the ball 51 times.He had a pretty good game and threw it well, not denying that...just to pump him up because of a 300 yard game after 51 attempts is laughable.Even Big Ben had a higher yards per attempt and did not play all that well.

So it's laughable that Favre completed 66% of his throws and put up 334 yards against a tough Pittsburgh defense just because he had to throw 51 passes. He did it, who cares how? Pittsburgh made the team one dimensional by taking away Peterson, and they still passed to get to/ near the redzone three times. There are teams that have to throw it that much but don't get the completions and can't get the yards. Ridiculous that somehow putting up 334 yards is only due to him passing so much. He had to actually complete some passes, they don't just give you yardage for attempts.

Where did I mention his completion percentage or the defense?Its laughable that you are pumping up the over 300 yards on 51 attempts...nothing more.That is all I said.I never claimed it was bad he had to throw that much...never said it was his fault, or anything about his play.Purely that pumping up 334 yards on 51 passes is pretty darn funny.

 

[sho nuff]

While the Vikes have the advantage....lets quit the Favre threw for over 300 yards against Pitt. Wonderful...helps when you throw the ball 50 times.Yes...he carved up a zone with no pressure on him in week 4. I don't expect he sees the same thing this time. I don't think he will have as much time to throw as you think.

?? Should Favre have completed one pass of 330 yards? Pittsburgh passing D was not stopping teams this year?

He had a pretty good game and threw it well, not denying that...just to pump him up because of a 300 yard game after 51 attempts is laughable.

It is funny watching you nitpick when people write something positive about Favre.

should have seen him 3 years ago when someone would say something bad about him.

If it was true...Id say nothing.Though, my point to Scotty was not saying something bad about Favre...it was about Scotty's opinion of how great 300+ yards is on 51 attempts. But I don't expect you to understand that.You and others simply want to keep up the usual obsession with me.

 

[sho nuff]

Its funny that I am called the Favre hater...and I agree with cheering if you want when he first comes out, then booing him and disagree to a point with what Butler said.

 

[Papa Schnay]

Remember when Viking fans first got wind of Favre and they said "oh that's great, all he has to do is hand the ball of to AP and we'll win tons of games"

If you break it down, he's on the exact same pace (or higher if you take into account the competition coming up weeks 12 and on) as he was throwing passes when his arm fell off.

2008 season - 32.625 attempts per game

2009 season - 32.714 attempts per game

As a Packer fan, I heavily encourage him to go out and throw 51 attempts for about 5-6 more games just in time for the playoffs to start.