Notes from Broncos camp (1 Viewer)

[Cecil Lammey]

here's some notes from the recent Broncos mini camp:

Chris Simms is surprising some with his play. Has a much stronger arm than Orton.

DLine right now: Mathias Askew, Ronnie Fields at Nose, Kenny Peterson.

Tim Crowder at OLB, Dumervil at OLB, Jarvis Moss barely worked in.

Wesley Woodyard playing on the inside.

 

[Jene Bramel]

here's some notes from the recent Broncos mini camp:

Chris Simms is surprising some with his play. Has a much stronger arm than Orton.

DLine right now: Mathias Askew, Ronnie Fields at Nose, Kenny Peterson.

Tim Crowder at OLB, Dumervil at OLB, Jarvis Moss barely worked in.

Wesley Woodyard playing on the inside.

Second team, Cec? Who's getting the nickel snaps?

 

[Jeff Tefertiller]

Thanks, Cecil. I was impressed with Woodyard late in the season. It should be interesting to see how the QB position sorts out.

 

[bucsbaby]

I have said before on these forums that Simms looked better with the Bucs than many give him credit for. I think he showed flashes of talent when with the Bucs and I wouldn't be surprised if he developed with Denver if given a chance.

 

[Cecil Lammey]

here's some notes from the recent Broncos mini camp:

Chris Simms is surprising some with his play. Has a much stronger arm than Orton.

DLine right now: Mathias Askew, Ronnie Fields at Nose, Kenny Peterson.

Tim Crowder at OLB, Dumervil at OLB, Jarvis Moss barely worked in.

Wesley Woodyard playing on the inside.

Second team, Cec? Who's getting the nickel snaps?

Larsen and Woodyard both 1st team inside. Outside was Reid and Dumervil. They ran a 3-2-6 with Josh Barrett as a LB/S rover (great move IMHO). Jack Williams as nickel corner.

Remember, no DJ or Boss.

 

[Gargoylez]

here's some notes from the recent Broncos mini camp:Chris Simms is surprising some with his play. Has a much stronger arm than Orton.DLine right now: Mathias Askew, Ronnie Fields at Nose, Kenny Peterson.Tim Crowder at OLB, Dumervil at OLB, Jarvis Moss barely worked in.Wesley Woodyard playing on the inside.

I dont think the arm stregnth was ever in question between Simms and Orten.... physically Simms is superior..

 

[Jason Wood]

I don't think it should shock anyone that Simms will give Orton a go for this job. In fact, I've been outright stunned by how few people were willing to accept that it's going to be an open competition, and have gone so far as to argue that Orton might be better for Denver than Cutler; which, to my mind, is just pure silliness.

It's a long offseason and we can't count on anything from the DEN QB situation until the final word is given sometime during training camp. That said, Simms is a strong, prototype QB so it's no surprise he's going to look very good in mini-camp when he's not feeling a real pass rush in the heat of a game.

 

[Cecil Lammey]

Tony Scheffler looked fantastic BTW. I wouldn't be surprised if he's moved still, but the "rumblings" have died down.

 

[Cecil Lammey]

Thanks, Cecil. I was impressed with Woodyard late in the season. It should be interesting to see how the QB position sorts out.

Sanchez is coming in on Tuesday, so we'll see if he can impress enough for the Broncos to move up to get him. The Networks certainly think Denver is a hotbed for stories, both ESPN (Ed Werder I believe) and NFLN will have correspondents out at Dove Valley.

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[Buffaloes]

here's some notes from the recent Broncos mini camp:

Chris Simms is surprising some with his play. Has a much stronger arm than Orton.

DLine right now: Mathias Askew, Ronnie Fields at Nose, Kenny Peterson.

Tim Crowder at OLB, Dumervil at OLB, Jarvis Moss barely worked in.

Wesley Woodyard playing on the inside.

That's disappointing.

 

[Cecil Lammey]

here's some notes from the recent Broncos mini camp:

Chris Simms is surprising some with his play. Has a much stronger arm than Orton.

DLine right now: Mathias Askew, Ronnie Fields at Nose, Kenny Peterson.

Tim Crowder at OLB, Dumervil at OLB, Jarvis Moss barely worked in.

Wesley Woodyard playing on the inside.

That's disappointing.

when Tim Crowder is starting above you at OLB that is officially Bad Times

 

[Buffaloes]

here's some notes from the recent Broncos mini camp:

Chris Simms is surprising some with his play. Has a much stronger arm than Orton.

DLine right now: Mathias Askew, Ronnie Fields at Nose, Kenny Peterson.

Tim Crowder at OLB, Dumervil at OLB, Jarvis Moss barely worked in.

Wesley Woodyard playing on the inside.

That's disappointing.

when Tim Crowder is starting above you at OLB that is officially Bad Times

I agree...I thought Crowder would be the odd man out and expect him to be cut. I really thought Moss would flourish at the OLB spot. Hopefully he can pick it up but he is starting to look like a complete bust at this point.

 

[travdogg]

Tony Scheffler looked fantastic BTW. I wouldn't be surprised if he's moved still, but the "rumblings" have died down.

In what way?

 

[Matt Waldman]

The Titans did like Chris Simms and there were rumblings among the staff last year that he deserved consideration as their new future once Collins decided to call it quits. Gruden was a meat grinder when it comes to quarterbacks, so I think Simms is probably worthy of a second shot.

 

[GECKO]

Shany gone and no word on the starting backfield, hmmm...

 

[Cecil Lammey]

Tony Scheffler looked fantastic BTW. I wouldn't be surprised if he's moved still, but the "rumblings" have died down.

In what way?

great shape.

 

[Football Jones]

Tony Scheffler looked fantastic BTW. I wouldn't be surprised if he's moved still, but the "rumblings" have died down.

In what way?

great shape.

In the right offense, this guy could be a top-5 TE. The sky is the limit. As a Scheffler owner, I'm hoping he gets traded. That said, we know McDaniels is going to throw a ton & Scheffler could still have good FF value if he gets the PT. One of the things I'll be watching this preseason is how the Pats use Scheffler.

 

[Bri]

The Titans did like Chris Simms and there were rumblings among the staff last year that he deserved consideration as their new future once Collins decided to call it quits. Gruden was a meat grinder when it comes to quarterbacks, so I think Simms is probably worthy of a second shot.

I wonder if he makes better decisions now or just seems better drilled after playing for Coach Fisher. Really think he's a terrific coach and well Cecil, can you notice any improvement from Tampa days?

 

[NoFBinLA]

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[Neil Beaufort Zod]

Great to see a recovered Simms get a fresh (non-Gruden) start and a chance to get his career going. Even if he's a backup with upside this season, to come back that far is pretty impressive.

 

[identikit]

Tony Scheffler looked fantastic BTW. I wouldn't be surprised if he's moved still, but the "rumblings" have died down.

In what way?

great shape.

In the right offense, this guy could be a top-5 TE. The sky is the limit. As a Scheffler owner, I'm hoping he gets traded. That said, we know McDaniels is going to throw a ton & Scheffler could still have good FF value if he gets the PT. One of the things I'll be watching this preseason is how the Pats use Scheffler.

 

[FUBAR]

Chris Simms is surprising some with his play. Has a much stronger arm than Orton.

As a Titans fan, I was disapointed when they didn't keep him. Had he remained, it wouldn't have surprised me to have seen him starting in 2010. Now, it wouldn't shock me if he started ahead of Orton. I'd still bet on orton, but it wouldn't be shocking.

 

[eefflrat]

Is Arrington practicing? Does he have any shot of starting over all of those retreads?

 

[Cecil Lammey]

Is Arrington practicing? Does he have any shot of starting over all of those retreads?

J.J. Arrington (knee), Selvin Young (neck), and Ryan Torain (torn ACL) were unable to participate.LaMont Jordan feels that he has the edge over CBuck to be the starter because he's familiar with the system. Hillis took snaps as RB and FB, but it still seems to me like he's the odd man out, and won't see much playing time. Torain and Young are in danger of losing their spots on the team.

 

[PatrickT]

I have said before on these forums that Simms looked better with the Bucs than many give him credit for. I think he showed flashes of talent when with the Bucs and I wouldn't be surprised if he developed with Denver if given a chance.

I agree, he got in Gruden's dog house, and has still never recovered. I was really surprised he didn't get a real shot in Tennessee, I think he could be a pretty solid starter.

 

[eefflrat]

Is Arrington practicing? Does he have any shot of starting over all of those retreads?

J.J. Arrington (knee), Selvin Young (neck), and Ryan Torain (torn ACL) were unable to participate.LaMont Jordan feels that he has the edge over CBuck to be the starter because he's familiar with the system. Hillis took snaps as RB and FB, but it still seems to me like he's the odd man out, and won't see much playing time. Torain and Young are in danger of losing their spots on the team.

Thanks...I may be in the minority but I think JJ could do some damage with the right opportunity. Don't know if he's going to get it, although counting on Buck and Lamont Jordan is not an ideal situation for the Broncos, both guys are injury prone, so JJ could get a shot sooner or later. He can catch, and runs pretty hard, and if I recall he was the RB on the field late in the playoffs and Super Bowl for the Cards.

 

[munchkin]

Is Arrington practicing? Does he have any shot of starting over all of those retreads?

J.J. Arrington (knee), Selvin Young (neck), and Ryan Torain (torn ACL) were unable to participate.LaMont Jordan feels that he has the edge over CBuck to be the starter because he's familiar with the system. Hillis took snaps as RB and FB, but it still seems to me like he's the odd man out, and won't see much playing time. Torain and Young are in danger of losing their spots on the team.

Thanks...I may be in the minority but I think JJ could do some damage with the right opportunity. Don't know if he's going to get it, although counting on Buck and Lamont Jordan is not an ideal situation for the Broncos, both guys are injury prone, so JJ could get a shot sooner or later. He can catch, and runs pretty hard, and if I recall he was the RB on the field late in the playoffs and Super Bowl for the Cards.

With McDaniels calling the shots it's a new day in Bronco land. If Arrington proves to be the best in a particular role he will be given the opportunity to hold on to it. Jordan may have the upper hand now and is a more bruising runner but he won't be GIVEN anything he doesn't earn.

 

[ffldrew]

Hey Cecil - what effect does the left handed Simms put on the O-Line? Clady still stays on the left?

 

[az_prof]

Cecil, is the observation on Simms play your own or is a quote from some team source or team reporter? I ask only because I would expect the team to want to promote the idea that he looks good. After all, they wouldn't say: "Our QBs suck; isn't it too bad we traded away our franchise QB." Or, "Our QBs are not getting the job done--looks like we will use our first pick on a QB" and signal to other teams their draft strategy.

If it is your own observation then it would mean more since you have no interest in promoting the team.

 

[Colin Dowling]

I haven't seen a moment of their workouts but I'll be shocked if Simms doesn't win the job.

 

[Blackjacks]

I haven't seen a moment of their workouts but I'll be shocked if Simms doesn't win the job.

I traded Orton earlier this offseason, right after the trade, for not that much cause I strongly as well think Simms will win that job.I haven't seen you on the board for awhile Colin, welcome back.

 

[Jason Wood]

I haven't seen a moment of their workouts but I'll be shocked if Simms doesn't win the job.

Same here. To me, Orton is a lot closer to Simms than he is to Cutler, and yet we've been seeing countless people argue that Orton could break out this year when, in fact, I wouldn't be surprised if he was on the bench. No matter what, I wouldn't count on either Orton or Simms to start 14+ games this year, at least not for fantasy draft purposes.

 

[Mark Wimer]

The Titans did like Chris Simms and there were rumblings among the staff last year that he deserved consideration as their new future once Collins decided to call it quits. Gruden was a meat grinder when it comes to quarterbacks, so I think Simms is probably worthy of a second shot.

Hey Matt and Cec,Is Simms fully recovered from the spleen thing? What kind of special meds is he on (if any) - is the old injury even a factor?Mark

 

[Cecil Lammey]

Cecil, is the observation on Simms play your own or is a quote from some team source or team reporter? I ask only because I would expect the team to want to promote the idea that he looks good. After all, they wouldn't say: "Our QBs suck; isn't it too bad we traded away our franchise QB." Or, "Our QBs are not getting the job done--looks like we will use our first pick on a QB" and signal to other teams their draft strategy.If it is your own observation then it would mean more since you have no interest in promoting the team.

strictly my own observation. Sanchez is coming in tomorrow, we'll see if he continues to impress.

 

[foxco]

I have said before on these forums that Simms looked better with the Bucs than many give him credit for. I think he showed flashes of talent when with the Bucs and I wouldn't be surprised if he developed with Denver if given a chance.

I agree, he got in Gruden's dog house, and has still never recovered. I was really surprised he didn't get a real shot in Tennessee, I think he could be a pretty solid starter.

Yep, I thought he should have been given another shot as well. Be nice to see what the kid can do, he impressed me the couple of times I saw him start for the Bucs. He almost won a playoff game for them IIRC.

 

[BusMan]

I think part of the thinking on Orton is that folks like Peter King were saying he was a critical part of the trade with the Bears.

 

[Franchise Playa]

Did Chad Jackson do anything? Where did he line up if at all?

 

[gump]

The issue with Simms in Tampa was that he was a terrible fit for Gruden's offense. He has a cannon and throws one of the best deep balls in the NFL...BUT...he doesn't think quickly, doesn't check down to his 3rd or 4th options, and has a slow delivery...which led to all the blocked passes.

Isn't McDaniels looking for someone who can think quickly, make smart decisions, and bail out when necessary? If so, Simms didn't fit that mold 3 years ago...not sure that he would now either.

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

The issue with Simms in Tampa was that he was a terrible fit for Gruden's offense. He has a cannon and throws one of the best deep balls in the NFL...BUT...he doesn't think quickly, doesn't check down to his 3rd or 4th options, and has a slow delivery...which led to all the blocked passes.Isn't McDaniels looking for someone who can think quickly, make smart decisions, and bail out when necessary? If so, Simms didn't fit that mold 3 years ago...not sure that he would now either.

So he's as dumb as his Dad? Shoot.

 

[PrimUomo]

I am 100% sure that JJ Arrington is going to be Kevin Faulk II.

I've also been supporting the Chris Simms starter theory. It really gives them a far better draft potential if Simms suceeds (Josh McDaniels is going to coach either of them to success if he implements the system correctly. The real problem with Orton is that he has a weaker arm than Simms, which really stunts his potential compared with Chris Simms potential. I can see Simms with the job locked anyday honestly. Unless Sanchez looks like Elway Jr. Simms is starting day one.

 

[NoFBinLA]

Side note - Sanchez was just on NFL Live on NFLN and said the Broncos trip wasn't locked down yet.

I assume it will happen, but who knows.....

 

[Steed]

The issue with Simms in Tampa was that he was a terrible fit for Gruden's offense. He has a cannon and throws one of the best deep balls in the NFL...BUT...he doesn't think quickly, doesn't check down to his 3rd or 4th options, and has a slow delivery...which led to all the blocked passes.Isn't McDaniels looking for someone who can think quickly, make smart decisions, and bail out when necessary? If so, Simms didn't fit that mold 3 years ago...not sure that he would now either.

I agree. I'm not sure where all the Chris Simms love is coming from. Last thing I remember he couldn't even find a passing lane to launch the ball cleanly without a d-lineman batting it down. They had him doing special drills to overcome it, that's how bad his pocket presence was. Then Gruden cut him because he was having difficulty getting his throwing motion back. Now all of a sudden he's recovered from all these problems without even having taken a snap in a live game outside of week 17 last year.He had a great quote today in the Denver Post."I did some good things. I definitely messed some things up mentally, and definitely missed a few throws physically," Simms said. "So there's a lot of areas to improve on, but you expect that, really, at this time of the year." Sounds like the same guy we all know and love.

 

[saintfool]

Did Chad Jackson do anything? Where did he line up if at all?

i'm not sure he's even on the roster but let me ask: just how productive do you think he can be playing behind marshall, royal, stokely, and gaffney?:blowsoutcandle:

 

[NoFBinLA]

Apparently The Donks flew out to LA to see Sanchez (dunno if it's a workout or visit) - McDaniels is not there as he has migraines.Also - from Rotoworld

ESPN's Todd McShay says "he's told" that the Broncos will not package their two first-round picks in a move up to draft Mark Sanchez.The Broncos seem committed to Kyle Orton and have a defense to rebuild. They could easily use both of their first-rounders on the other side of the ball. It would likely take a shocking fall to No. 12 for Sanchez to land in Denver.Related: Broncos

I don't love McShay but I imagine this is pretty accurate. They aren't unhappy with Simms and Orton, they have needs on the D and if Stafford happens to fall, you never can tell what that would bode for Sanchez. They can sit and lie in the weeds, see what drops and either tale the BPA who fits a need or even trade back a bit for MORE picks.

 

[Buffaloes]

Apparently The Donks flew out to LA to see Sanchez (dunno if it's a workout or visit) - McDaniels is not there as he has migraines.

Also - from Rotoworld

ESPN's Todd McShay says "he's told" that the Broncos will not package their two first-round picks in a move up to draft Mark Sanchez.

The Broncos seem committed to Kyle Orton and have a defense to rebuild. They could easily use both of their first-rounders on the other side of the ball. It would likely take a shocking fall to No. 12 for Sanchez to land in Denver.

Related: Broncos

I don't love McShay but I imagine this is pretty accurate. They aren't unhappy with Simms and Orton, they have needs on the D and if Stafford happens to fall, you never can tell what that would bode for Sanchez. They can sit and lie in the weeds, see what drops and either tale the BPA who fits a need or even trade back a bit for MORE picks.

McD not showing up due to migraines or whatever is pretty telling IMO. Sounds like the FO is just doing its due diligence in case Sanchez falls.

 

[NoFBinLA]

Apparently The Donks flew out to LA to see Sanchez (dunno if it's a workout or visit) - McDaniels is not there as he has migraines.

Also - from Rotoworld

ESPN's Todd McShay says "he's told" that the Broncos will not package their two first-round picks in a move up to draft Mark Sanchez.

The Broncos seem committed to Kyle Orton and have a defense to rebuild. They could easily use both of their first-rounders on the other side of the ball. It would likely take a shocking fall to No. 12 for Sanchez to land in Denver.

Related: Broncos

I don't love McShay but I imagine this is pretty accurate. They aren't unhappy with Simms and Orton, they have needs on the D and if Stafford happens to fall, you never can tell what that would bode for Sanchez. They can sit and lie in the weeds, see what drops and either tale the BPA who fits a need or even trade back a bit for MORE picks.

McD not showing up due to migraines or whatever is pretty telling IMO. Sounds like the FO is just doing its due diligence in case Sanchez falls.

I really think if they are there and the Redskins can't find a trade partner, they might walk home with Snyder's dog, shoelaces and shorts.I am sure it's due diligence and in part, posturing. We might, we might not - someone will make a play and drive the price up if he falls to 12. Keep em guessing.

 

[TwinTurbo]

The issue with Simms in Tampa was that he was a terrible fit for Gruden's offense. He has a cannon and throws one of the best deep balls in the NFL...BUT...he doesn't think quickly, doesn't check down to his 3rd or 4th options, and has a slow delivery...which led to all the blocked passes.

Isn't McDaniels looking for someone who can think quickly, make smart decisions, and bail out when necessary? If so, Simms didn't fit that mold 3 years ago...not sure that he would now either.

I have no idea if Simms will ever be a legitimate #1 QB, but the bolded part of the quote is true. He throws one of the best looking deep passes in the league. I remember watching a couple of his bombs to Galloway that were just absolute perfection. I wouldn't mind seeing Marshall or Royal catch a few of those. I'm not saying his arm is as good as Cutler's, but it's underrated. But the rest of his game, I have no idea. He's had a very enigmatic career up to this point.

 

[Buckeyedawgs]

Rememeber Simms was playing some of his best football when he ruptured his Spleen.

That is only reason he lost the starting job in Tampa.

Sharks seem to be giving edge to Ortin from the start. I am not so sure. It might even be an entirely different and more complicated picture to figure out after this weekend.

where is the even more inportant running back reports? I saw a report Jordon has the upper hand for fantasy value because of the goal line carries he will get with Buckhalter a close second and probablky between the 20's yardage leader.

Any merit to all that?

 

[moleculo]

where is the even more inportant running back reports? I saw a report Jordon has the upper hand for fantasy value because of the goal line carries he will get with Buckhalter a close second and probablky between the 20's yardage leader. Any merit to all that?

I think it's waaaaaay too early to try to dissect this mess, but don't underestimate Hillis.

 

[Cecil Lammey]

where is the even more inportant running back reports? I saw a report Jordon has the upper hand for fantasy value because of the goal line carries he will get with Buckhalter a close second and probablky between the 20's yardage leader.

Any merit to all that?

I think it's waaaaaay too early to try to dissect this mess, but don't underestimate Hillis.

Very true moleculo, unfortunately at this time it appears Hillis may be the odd man out. The Jordan stuff is coming from him. He feels that he could be the #1 back here because of his familiarity with the offense. Right now I would say CBuck between the 20's, Jordan at the GL, Arrington on 3rd down. Very similar to Maroney, Morris, Faulk.

AND the Broncos may draft a back on the 1st day. It will certainly be exciting!

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