That would be the smart thing to do. Looking at their RB situation it didn't matter who started this season -- Davis, Wells or Morency -- they received quality production. RB clearly isn't an area of need on this team so while adding Bush could provide that position with an upgrade, doing so will prevent the Texans from addressing the numerous other areas of far greater need. That said, I think it's a lock they draft Bush.Trade down, pick OL
If you would have said that any better your member # would have changed to 1234!You take Reggie Bush if you have he grades out as high as expected. If NFL scouts honestly feel that he is perhaps the next Gale Sayers as some have said you simply can't pass on a player like that. If you can trade DD to a team that needs a rb for a 2nd round pick you do it and take the 2 best offensive lineman that are available in the 2nd round.
Given the number of free-agent RBs who will be available I think the Texans may be hard-pressed to get a first-day draft pick for Dom Davis (and they'd be fools to trade him for anything less).If you can trade DD to a team that needs a rb for a 2nd round pick you do it and take the 2 best offensive lineman that are available in the 2nd round.
your not passing on the player....your using the scouts to up the trade value of your fabulous #1 overall pick and then trading it to select OL which is needed most imo.You take Reggie Bush if you have he grades out as high as expected. If NFL scouts honestly feel that he is perhaps the next Gale Sayers as some have said you simply can't pass on a player like that. If you can trade DD to a team that needs a rb for a 2nd round pick you do it and take the 2 best offensive lineman that are available in the 2nd round.
Drafting Bush would do a lot of good:1. Sell tickets and merchandise (the most important thing, mind you)2. Add a big play dimension that this offense is sorely missing, thus taking some pressure off Carr and affording Andre Johnson more opportunities.Domanick Davis is a nice player. Heck, even Vernand Morency looked competent today. But neither of those guys is Reggie Bush. Neither has Bush's ability to hit a home run. Davis is a good receiver, but you really can't split him out wide like you can with Bush. Basically, passing on Bush because you have Domanick Davis would be like passing on LeBron James because you have Ricky Davis. I realize that it's not a perfect analogy because a football team is bigger than a basketball team, but the point is that you don't pass up once-a-decade type player because you have a fringe star at the same position.I can't see what good stockpiling RB talent on a hopeless team would do.
Better?If you would have said that any better your member # would have changed to 1234!You take Reggie Bush if he grades out as high as expected, if NFL scouts honestly feel that he is perhaps the next Gale Sayers as some have said you simply can't pass on a player like that. If you can trade DD to a team that needs a rb for a 2nd round pick you do it and take the 2 best offensive lineman that are available in the 2nd round.
they need to find out what Morrency, Wells, and Davis would fetch in trade. IMO Davis might be worth alot. Is Wells a FA?His late season play probably earned him some hgiher trade value.If you select Bush, which I expect 99% to do, explain what you expect the Texans to do with Morency, Wells, and Davis.... not to mention with their struggling O-line and quarterback.
Pretty good analogy actually, with that said Ricky became a cancer in Cleveland the moment LJ was selected simply because he felt snubbed by the Cavs selecting a "kid" to be the man on that team over him. I think DD would feel the same way which means they need to trade him if they select Bush.Drafting Bush would do a lot of good:1. Sell tickets and merchandise (the most important thing, mind you)I can't see what good stockpiling RB talent on a hopeless team would do.
2. Add a big play dimension that this offense is sorely missing, thus taking some pressure off Carr and affording Andre Johnson more opportunities.
Domanick Davis is a nice player. Heck, even Vernand Morency looked competent today. But neither of those guys is Reggie Bush. Neither has Bush's ability to hit a home run. Davis is a good receiver, but you really can't split him out wide like you can with Bush.
Basically, passing on Bush because you have Domanick Davis would be like passing on LeBron James because you have Ricky Davis. I realize that it's not a perfect analogy because a football team is bigger than a basketball team, but the point is that you don't pass up once-a-decade type player because you have a fringe star at the same position.
I doubt they could get more than a third for Davis. Travis Henry was a comparable player at this time last year and he only fetched a third. RBs don't have as much NFL value as FF value. Keep that in mind. Remember this offseason when there were rumors that James and Alexander were both available for any first round pick? Those were probably just rumors, but my point is that even the better RBs don't command that much in trades. Davis has a 4.1 YPC average and has had durability issues throughout his career. If the Texans could get more than a third round pick for him, I'd be surprised.they need to find out what Morrency, Wells, and Davis would fetch in trade. IMO Davis might be worth alot. Is Wells a FA?His late season play probably earned him some hgiher trade value.If you select Bush, which I expect 99% to do, explain what you expect the Texans to do with Morency, Wells, and Davis.... not to mention with their struggling O-line and quarterback.
I think they should research this in addition to researching the "trade down" offers.
If Davis can fetch a 1 and ?, I say take Bush
They will probably draft bush and maybe try to get rid of dom davis for another pick to get an OL. But i'm seeing them drafting bush and then trading him since he has more value.Trade down, pick OL
I would agree with you if we were talking about a Walt Dysney movie.Drafting Bush would do a lot of good:1. Sell tickets and merchandise (the most important thing, mind you)I can't see what good stockpiling RB talent on a hopeless team would do.
Davis signed a 4-yr, $22 million contract extension right before the season started that included an $8 million signing bonus.
Bush will cost a king's ransom, and I'm not so sure that the Texans will want to take the cap hit from trading Davis.
Edge and Alexander were expensive and teams would have had to cut players if they traded for them. Essentially they were trading even more for them(picks, players plus cut players)It seems the salary cap is going to give teams some more room than usual this offseason. I think the wise teams will use the extra money to land a player that will be good for a long time and NOT a bunch of fill-ins that might not be there 2 years from now. IF teams have extra $, Davis may have more value this year than last. Teams competing offers would raise his valueI doubt they could get more than a third for Davis. Travis Henry was a comparable player at this time last year and he only fetched a third. RBs don't have as much NFL value as FF value. Keep that in mind. Remember this offseason when there were rumors that James and Alexander were both available for any first round pick? Those were probably just rumors, but my point is that even the better RBs don't command that much in trades. Davis has a 4.1 YPC average and has had durability issues throughout his career. If the Texans could get more than a third round pick for him, I'd be surprised.they need to find out what Morrency, Wells, and Davis would fetch in trade. IMO Davis might be worth alot. Is Wells a FA?His late season play probably earned him some hgiher trade value.If you select Bush, which I expect 99% to do, explain what you expect the Texans to do with Morency, Wells, and Davis.... not to mention with their struggling O-line and quarterback.
I think they should research this in addition to researching the "trade down" offers.
If Davis can fetch a 1 and ?, I say take Bush
People will show up to watch Bush play. Even if the Texans go 2-14, they'll say "Well, maybe Reggie will break one today." The Bush jersey will instantly be one of the top 10 sellers in the league, regardless of how his team fares during his rookie season.Also, I think you're underestimating the impact that he can have on the team. Make no mistake about it, he would be a major upgrade for them.I would agree with you if we were talking about a Walt Dysney movie.Drafting Bush would do a lot of good:1. Sell tickets and merchandise (the most important thing, mind you)I can't see what good stockpiling RB talent on a hopeless team would do.I think it's safe to say that in football, winning is the main thing. Merchandising and ticket sales stem from success on the field. If you lose, you get fired or benched... flat out. For example: How many Texan jersey's will you buy if they go 2-14 next year with Bush running the ball? Or how much would you be willing to spend on season tickets if you knew that the squad would have a great running back but would likely suck for the indefinite future because the team is wasting that RB's talent?
Maybe I'm off, but I would think that trading the #1 pick (especially with all the hype surrounding Bush) would be worth more than trading Bush after the draft. Aside from the mystique of owning the #1 pick, do you know what Bush would have to do in Houston to live up to all the hype? He would need to get Larry Johnson/LT2 type numbers. Anything less, and his value drops from where it is now. So I say, if you're not planning to keep him, trade the pick.They will probably draft bush and maybe try to get rid of dom davis for another pick to get an OL. But i'm seeing them drafting bush and then trading him since he has more value.Trade down, pick OL
The question still remains, who's going to give up a first round pick for a RB with mediocre per/touch numbers and history of nagging injuries? It doesn't make any sense for a team to do that when they can acquire a similar player at a greatly reduced cost. Serviceable RBs are a dime-a-dozen. Look at last year's draft. Guys like Moats, Morency, Gore, Houston, and Barber were available in the mid-rounds. I wouldn't call any of them stars, but they're all performing adequately.Edge and Alexander were expensive and teams would have had to cut players if they traded for them. Essentially they were trading even more for them(picks, players plus cut players)It seems the salary cap is going to give teams some more room than usual this offseason. I think the wise teams will use the extra money to land a player that will be good for a long time and NOT a bunch of fill-ins that might not be there 2 years from now. IF teams have extra $, Davis may have more value this year than last. Teams competing offers would raise his valueI doubt they could get more than a third for Davis. Travis Henry was a comparable player at this time last year and he only fetched a third. RBs don't have as much NFL value as FF value. Keep that in mind. Remember this offseason when there were rumors that James and Alexander were both available for any first round pick? Those were probably just rumors, but my point is that even the better RBs don't command that much in trades. Davis has a 4.1 YPC average and has had durability issues throughout his career. If the Texans could get more than a third round pick for him, I'd be surprised.they need to find out what Morrency, Wells, and Davis would fetch in trade. IMO Davis might be worth alot. Is Wells a FA?His late season play probably earned him some hgiher trade value.If you select Bush, which I expect 99% to do, explain what you expect the Texans to do with Morency, Wells, and Davis.... not to mention with their struggling O-line and quarterback.
I think they should research this in addition to researching the "trade down" offers.
If Davis can fetch a 1 and ?, I say take Bush
DD is not a bum....I would not consider bush to be a MAJOR upgrade. I'd rather have D. Ferguson, DD, and an extra draft pick than Bush, 2nd round OL.People will show up to watch Bush play. Even if the Texans go 2-14, they'll say "Well, maybe Reggie will break one today." The Bush jersey will instantly be one of the top 10 sellers in the league, regardless of how his team fares during his rookie season.Also, I think you're underestimating the impact that he can have on the team. Make no mistake about it, he would be a major upgrade for them.I would agree with you if we were talking about a Walt Dysney movie.Drafting Bush would do a lot of good:1. Sell tickets and merchandise (the most important thing, mind you)I can't see what good stockpiling RB talent on a hopeless team would do.I think it's safe to say that in football, winning is the main thing. Merchandising and ticket sales stem from success on the field. If you lose, you get fired or benched... flat out. For example: How many Texan jersey's will you buy if they go 2-14 next year with Bush running the ball? Or how much would you be willing to spend on season tickets if you knew that the squad would have a great running back but would likely suck for the indefinite future because the team is wasting that RB's talent?
Also, what do you suggest they do instead? Let's pretend that they trade down and draft some offensive linemen. Okay, that's great, but they still have mediocre talent at all of the skill positions and they're still not going to win a lot of games.
You build your franchise around franchise player. Reggie Bush looks like a franchise player. The Houston Texans, in need of some sort spark in their fan base and on their football team, will select Reggie Bush.
I agree entirely, but what I am not seeing is plausible scenerioes where this happens.Green Bay? They need D and OL more.DD is not a bum....I would not consider bush to be a MAJOR upgrade. I'd rather have D. Ferguson, DD, and an extra draft pick than Bush, 2nd round OL.
Olajuwon is one of the greatest players to ever play the game and led the Rockets to multiple titles -- something few teams in the NBA can lay claim to. Hard to say the Rockets made a mistake in that draft, even if they passed on arguably the greatest player in NBA history.when you have a chance to draft michael jordan, you dont take sam bowie or hakeem olajuwon just because you need a center.
']i think they either pick d'brickashaw ferguson said:I want to be an rock star. I think my dream has a better shot than the Phins trading for the #1. Nice try.
Really??Merchandising and ticket sales stem from success on the field.
Don't forget that DD will still be a Texan even if the team drafts Bush. If Davis is as valuable as his supporters suggest then he'll command a high enough pick in a trade to draft a starting-caliber player. Anyhow, I think the Bush-to-Houston skeptics are operating on a few flawed assumptions:DD is not a bum....I would not consider bush to be a MAJOR upgrade. I'd rather have D. Ferguson, DD, and an extra draft pick than Bush, 2nd round OL.
Sure. People will pass him over if the situation looks ugly, but I personally think that it would probably be a mistake.Let me present this question...
If the Texans land Bush and keep Davis, is their any chance that Bush falls below DeAngelo Williams, Lawrence Maroney, or Lendale White in FF drafts (redraft, dynasty, or keeper) next year??
He probably won't because, as I said earlier, the market for RBs will be deep and teams may not be willing to fork over a first-day draft pick -- even for a RB who has produced as well as Davis has.Don't forget that DD will still be a Texan even if the team drafts Bush. If Davis is as valuable as his supporters suggest then he'll command a high enough pick in a trade to draft a starting-caliber player.DD is not a bum....I would not consider bush to be a MAJOR upgrade. I'd rather have D. Ferguson, DD, and an extra draft pick than Bush, 2nd round OL.
Actually, I think Green Bay and New Orleans would love to work on a deal for Bush.Also, what about some of the top tier teams, like those who may lose a stud RB? Teams like Seattle and Indy may be seeking an RB and have alot of depth to share.I agree entirely, but what I am not seeing is plausible scenerioes where this happens.Green Bay? They need D and OL more.DD is not a bum....I would not consider bush to be a MAJOR upgrade. I'd rather have D. Ferguson, DD, and an extra draft pick than Bush, 2nd round OL.
New Orleans is almost a dead lock for Leinart.
San Fran? Gore is decent when healthy, Hicks is ok, Barlow isn't gone yet, and they need a lot of help elsewhere.
Do the Jets trade up? This is the only one I see working - if Martin is done, or the Jets want to stink for another year, they need more than a RB.
Similar to Ronnie Brown and Caddy question last year. Do you draft Ronnie knowing RW will be there at least a year? From the boards, it seemed like a 50/50 split.I would go with Bush and possibly wait a year or two for real results. If you are picking #1 in a dynasty rookie draft, the odds are that your team is really bad. Holding off another year is not going to make a difference. Bush's upside is too high to pass.Let me present this question...
If the Texans land Bush and keep Davis, is their any chance that Bush falls below DeAngelo Williams, Lawrence Maroney, or Lendale White in FF drafts (redraft, dynasty, or keeper) next year??
You have the advantage of hindsight. Bowie was extremely well regarded before the draft as well. And Jordan, instead of being the greatest player of all-time, could have turned out to be "just" a Clyde Drexler type.I think the Texans should take Bush, but you argument holds no water.when you have a chance to draft michael jordan, you dont take sam bowie or hakeem olajuwon just because you need a center.
The cap hit in trading DD would hinder FA signings.Don't forget that DD will still be a Texan even if the team drafts Bush. If Davis is as valuable as his supporters suggest then he'll command a high enough pick in a trade to draft a starting-caliber player. Anyhow, I think the Bush-to-Houston skeptics are operating on a few flawed assumptions:DD is not a bum....I would not consider bush to be a MAJOR upgrade. I'd rather have D. Ferguson, DD, and an extra draft pick than Bush, 2nd round OL.
1. That Reggie Bush isn't a major upgrade over Houston's current RBs. I would argue that he's a much more dangerous and versatile player than Houston's current RBs and that his impact on the offense will be substantial.
2. That they can't address their other needs later in the draft. There's no reason why they can't take Bush in the first and address their other needs later.
I think it's a moot point because I think it's a lock that the Texans will select Bush. Even if the impact that Bush would have on the team's performance is less than the impact that Ferguson/Leinart/etc. would have, you simply can't ignore the business component of this decision. No other prospect in this draft would excite the team's fan base as much as Bush. For a team with no accomplishments and no star players, Bush is exactly the kind of poster boy that they need in order to keep public interest high.
']i think they either pick d'brickashaw ferguson said:Keep dreamin' laddie, keep dreamin'. Not a chance in hell that pittance gets the deal done...the worst that Houston should accept for the #1 pick is a top 5 pick, plus a 2nd, plus another starter.
Fair enough. There wouldn't be any harm in keeping him. As good as Bush is, his unique style almost necessitates that the team uses him in conjunction with a complement (as USC does with White). If the Texans decide to go that route then either Morency, Wells, or Davis might still get 8-12 touches a game in two-back formations and when Reggie is split out wide.The cap hit in trading DD would hinder FA signings.Don't forget that DD will still be a Texan even if the team drafts Bush. If Davis is as valuable as his supporters suggest then he'll command a high enough pick in a trade to draft a starting-caliber player. Anyhow, I think the Bush-to-Houston skeptics are operating on a few flawed assumptions:DD is not a bum....I would not consider bush to be a MAJOR upgrade. I'd rather have D. Ferguson, DD, and an extra draft pick than Bush, 2nd round OL.
1. That Reggie Bush isn't a major upgrade over Houston's current RBs. I would argue that he's a much more dangerous and versatile player than Houston's current RBs and that his impact on the offense will be substantial.
2. That they can't address their other needs later in the draft. There's no reason why they can't take Bush in the first and address their other needs later.
I think it's a moot point because I think it's a lock that the Texans will select Bush. Even if the impact that Bush would have on the team's performance is less than the impact that Ferguson/Leinart/etc. would have, you simply can't ignore the business component of this decision. No other prospect in this draft would excite the team's fan base as much as Bush. For a team with no accomplishments and no star players, Bush is exactly the kind of poster boy that they need in order to keep public interest high.
If they don't take Bush they'll prove they don't know what the hell they're doing. In today's NFL you can turn a franchise around in as little as 1 season. Free agency, a coaching change, the depth in this draft at the OL position could afford the Texans the opportunity to easily shore up this weakness, however a player with the talent that Bush possesses simply dont come along every year, I mean c'mon. If Bush turns out to be everything as advertised the Texans run the risk of looking like some of histories other teams who got cute and passed on players that would ultimately prove to be dynamic players.If they pick Bush they prove they don't know what the hell they are doing. You can't win with one player. They need as much help as possible, when are they EVER going to have a chip as valuable to trade as Bush?
I highly doubt that they will pass on Bush, but they might trade down. Like I said, I bet the Jets would give them two #1s, and a #2. They might even part with three #1s or or two #1s and two #2s to get him.That would be very tempting. Trading Davis would be hard with the salary cap.If they don't take Bush they'll prove they don't know what the hell they're doing. In today's NFL you can turn a franchise around in as little as 1 season. Free agency, a coaching change, the depth in this draft at the OL position could afford the Texans the opportunity to easily shore up this weakness, however a player with the talent that Bush possesses simply dont come along every year, I mean c'mon. If Bush turns out to be everything as advertised the Texans run the risk of looking like some of histories other teams who got cute and passed on players that would ultimately prove to be dynamic players.If they pick Bush they prove they don't know what the hell they are doing. You can't win with one player. They need as much help as possible, when are they EVER going to have a chip as valuable to trade as Bush?
The Bengals pass on M.Faulk to take D.Wilkerson. (and the following season take KiJana Carter) The Packers pass on B.Sanders to take OL Mandarich. The Bengals, again
take Akili Smith pass on E.James, Bengals, again
take Warrick pass on J.Lewis, Bengals, again
pass on L.Tomlinson take J.Smith. and who knows the 49ers passing over R.Brown could prove to be a mistake.
I dont know maybe the Texans can be the old Bengals who continually #### up their draft to plug holes. Just take the best player available and in this draft it's obviously Bush.