NY Giants Receivers (1 Viewer)

[Two Deep]

http://www.nypost.com/seven/01122009/sport...loss_149775.htm

Who in their right mind can blame the receivers for the lack of production in the passing game yesterday?

 

[bucsbaby]

Manning's passes were off-target and totally wobbly all game. I don't think the receivers deserve (all of) the blame.

Personally, I think that Jacobs was not utilized enough in this game. When he was utilized he was highly effective, I thought. He was jacked up and had all kinds of energy and determination. I would've kept feeding him the ball.

 

[videoguy505]

The receivers were on the sidelines while the defense let Philly convert at least 2/3rds of their 3rd downs. Third down on both sides of the ball killed the Giants.

 

[Man In The Box]

I can only think of one...

 

[lyon812]

Manning's passes were off-target and totally wobbly all game. I don't think the receivers deserve (all of) the blame. Personally, I think that Jacobs was not utilized enough in this game. When he was utilized he was highly effective, I thought. He was jacked up and had all kinds of energy and determination. I would've kept feeding him the ball.

 

[Yenrub]

I put the blame on the coaching staff, especially Kevin "killdrive" Gilbride

There is no excuse for not using Jacobs more when the Giants got into the red-zone

The Eagle were having trouble stopping him most of the day.

Here is the drive after the Fred Robbins interception in the 3rd quarter

1-10-PHI 33 (14:08) 27-B.Jacobs right guard to PHI 22 for 11 yards (27-Q.Mikell, 20-B.Dawkins).1-10-PHI 22 (13:32) 27-B.Jacobs right guard to PHI 17 for 5 yards (95-V.Abiamiri, 57-C.Gocong).2-5-PHI 17 (12:47) (Shotgun) 10-E.Manning pass incomplete short right to 34-D.Ward.3-5-PHI 17 (12:42) (Shotgun) 10-E.Manning pass incomplete short left to 89-K.Boss (37-S.Considine).4-5-PHI 17 (12:37) 5-J.Carney 36 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-93-J.Alford, Holder-18-J.Feagles.Jacobs gashes the Eagles for 16 yards on two carries, so what does Gilbride do? He goes away from the run and goes with a no backfield set (Ward lined up wide on both shotgun plays) on the next two plays, keep in mind this is the 3rd quarter so he knows Eli is having a crap day.Now I don't know if Jacobs would have finished the drive off with a TD or not, but I be damned if I wouldn't have found out!

This drive had me trying to reach through the TV and go Buddy Ryan on Gilbride.

Here is another terrible coaching decision, this one in the 1st half

1-10-NYG 20 (3:58) 27-B.Jacobs right tackle to NYG 44 for 24 yards (24-S.Brown).1-10-NYG 44 (3:22) 34-D.Ward right end to NYG 49 for 5 yards (55-S.Bradley).2-5-NYG 49 (2:41) 10-E.Manning pass short middle to 89-K.Boss to PHI 26 for 25 yards (22-A.Samuel).5 yard run by Jacobs determined to have started after the clock reached 2:00.Two-Minute Warning1-10-PHI 26 (2:00) (Shotgun) 10-E.Manning pass short left to 87-D.Hixon to PHI 25 for 1 yard (24-S.Brown). PENALTY on PHI-75-J.Parker, Defensive Offside, 5 yards, enforced at PHI 26 - No Play.1-5-PHI 21 (1:55) (Shotgun) 10-E.Manning pass incomplete short right to 81-A.Toomer.2-5-PHI 21 (1:51) (Shotgun) 10-E.Manning pass incomplete deep middle to 89-K.Boss (27-Q.Mikell).Timeout #2 by NYG at 01:45.3-5-PHI 21 (1:45) (Shotgun) 10-E.Manning pass short right to 34-D.Ward to PHI 17 for 4 yards (90-D.Howard).Timeout #2 by PHI at 01:38.4-1-PHI 17 (1:38) 5-J.Carney 34 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-93-J.Alford, Holder-18-J.Feagles.So after getting to 1st and 5, he calls 3 straight shotguns despite the fact that it was the run off the right side was very effective.I will never understand why coaches try to get cute and go away from their strengths. It was clear from the very 1st pass that Eli threw, you know the one that Steve Smith was alone behind the defense on the 1st play from scrimmage that should have been a TD, that Eli didn't have it yesterday. The running game was working.

 

[Bri]

IIRC Giant WRs combined for 80 yards. Eli throws the ball and has some fault, no doubt, but there's enough blame to go around

 

[Ron_Mexico]

Manning's passes were off-target and totally wobbly all game. I don't think the receivers deserve (all of) the blame. Personally, I think that Jacobs was not utilized enough in this game. When he was utilized he was highly effective, I thought. He was jacked up and had all kinds of energy and determination. I would've kept feeding him the ball.

concur.The blame should fall squarely on Eli's shoulders,along with the under use of Jacobs by the staff.

 

[Avery]

Blame Manning for throwing a ####ty ball in the wind.

Blame receivers for being exposed as a bunch of WR2/3s.

Blame coaching staff for ####ty play calling and going away from Jacobs and the run when it was working so well.

Why should only one group be to blame?

Crappy performance by most of the Giants offense (except Jacobs and perhaps Boss) so there's lot of blame to go around.

 

[Ralph Furley]

Its not fair to put any of the blame on the Giant receivers, the reality is w/out Plax their WR's are nothing to get excited about.

You can't blame something you know is not very good.

If you NEED to find a scapegoat , blame the coaching staff:

1) Eagles came to play, Giants not so much

2) Giants coaching staff did not stick with the run when it was effective

3) Coaching staff made questionable calls on 3rd and 4th and short

With that being said, I really don't see why there is such a need to point the finger, when in reality it is extremely difficult to win a playoff game, no matter how good your team is. Is was a tough fought game and ultimately came down to the Eagles making a few more plays then the Giants.

Bottom line is, the Giants gave there fans an incredible season last year and followed it up with another season to be happy with. Although the end result was not what the fans would have liked they still put together a very successful season while dealing with injuries that might have buried most teams right out of the gate.

 

[Avery]

Its not fair to put any of the blame on the Giant receivers, the reality is w/out Plax their WR's are nothing to get excited about.

You can't blame something you know is not very good.

If you NEED to find a scapegoat , blame the coaching staff:

1) Eagles came to play, Giants offense not so much

2) Giants coaching staff did not stick with the run when it was effective

3) Coaching staff made questionable calls on 3rd and 4th and short

With that being said, I really don't see why there is such a need to point the finger, when in reality it is extremely difficult to win a playoff game, no matter how good your team is. Is was a tough fought game and ultimately came down to the Eagles making a few more plays then the Giants.

Bottom line is, the Giants gave there fans an incredible season last year and followed it up with another season to be happy with. Although the end result was not what the fans would have liked they still put together a very successful season while dealing with injuries that might have buried most teams right out of the gate.

Agree with everything you're saying with one correction above.

 

[JamesTheScot]

Blame Manning for throwing a ####ty ball in the wind.

Blame receivers for being exposed as a bunch of WR2/3s.

Blame coaching staff for ####ty play calling and going away from Jacobs and the run when it was working so well.

Why should only one group be to blame?

Crappy performance by most of the Giants offense (except Jacobs and perhaps Boss) so there's lot of blame to go around.

The Eagles won by double digits with Donovan McNabb throwing in the same wind to a bunch of WR2/3's.The Giants ran 32 rushing plays to 29 passing plays. The Eagles on the other hand had 40 passing plays to 28 rushing plays. Jacobs had 19 carries and Ward had 12. It looks as if the Giants ran a pretty balanced attack with an emphasis on the run.

Ironically, as poorly as the Giants did on 3rd down (33% IIRC), they actually gained more first downs by passing than they did by running.

The Giants faced 3rd downs 13 times. Of those 13, 4 were for 4 or less yards, 3 were for 5 yards, and 6 were for 7+ yards.

Of those (6) 3rd&7+'s, of the 12 plays immediately preceding them, Jacobs and Ward rushed 10 times for 9 yards. There were only 2 incomplete passes the whole game leading to these 3rd and longs. The Giants only converted 1 of these and that drive ended in a punt. The Giants passed on each of these (6) 3rd&7+'s.

Of those (3) 3rd&5's, of the 6 plays immediately preceding them, Jacobs rushed 3 times for 10 yards and Manning had 3 incompletions. The Giants converted 1 of these by a 34 yard pass but that drive ended in a missed FG. The Giants passed on each of these 3rd&5's.

Of the (4) 3rd&4-'s, of the 8 plays preceding them, Jacobs rushed 4 times for 15 yards, Manning completed 2 passes for 14 yards and had 2 incompletions. These are interesting to me.

They failed to convert on a 3rd&4 by 2 yard completion early in the game but Jacobs converted the 4th&2. But that Drive ended in a FG.

Late in the game, they face a 3rd&3 after Jacobs had 2 runs for 7 yards. They turn it over on downs after a 2 yard run by Jacobs on 3rd&3 and a 0 yard run by Manning on 4th&1.

Later in the game, they face a 3rd&2 after a Manning completion for 6 yards on 1st&10 and a 2 yard run by Jacobs on 2nd&4. They run on 3rd&2 for 0 yards and then fail to convert the 4th down.

Their lone conversion of these short ones was a 3rd&2 converted by passing for 5 yards. But that drive ended in a fumble.

I'm not sure what all the make of these numbers, but it doesn't appear to me that the Giant's gave up on the run or made a lot of poor decisions as far as the run-pass mix. I think Philly just played some really good classic Philly "bend but don't break" D. And they locked things down on 3rd down.

 

[Avery]

Blame Manning for throwing a ####ty ball in the wind.

Blame receivers for being exposed as a bunch of WR2/3s.

Blame coaching staff for ####ty play calling and going away from Jacobs and the run when it was working so well.

Why should only one group be to blame?

Crappy performance by most of the Giants offense (except Jacobs and perhaps Boss) so there's lot of blame to go around.

The Eagles won by double digits with Donovan McNabb throwing in the same wind to a bunch of WR2/3's.The Giants ran 32 rushing plays to 29 passing plays. The Eagles on the other hand had 40 passing plays to 28 rushing plays. Jacobs had 19 carries and Ward had 12. It looks as if the Giants ran a pretty balanced attack with an emphasis on the run.

Ironically, as poorly as the Giants did on 3rd down (33% IIRC), they actually gained more first downs by passing than they did by running.

The Giants faced 3rd downs 13 times. Of those 13, 4 were for 4 or less yards, 3 were for 5 yards, and 6 were for 7+ yards.

Of those (6) 3rd&7+'s, of the 12 plays immediately preceding them, Jacobs and Ward rushed 10 times for 9 yards. There were only 2 incomplete passes the whole game leading to these 3rd and longs. The Giants only converted 1 of these and that drive ended in a punt. The Giants passed on each of these (6) 3rd&7+'s.

Of those (3) 3rd&5's, of the 6 plays immediately preceding them, Jacobs rushed 3 times for 10 yards and Manning had 3 incompletions. The Giants converted 1 of these by a 34 yard pass but that drive ended in a missed FG. The Giants passed on each of these 3rd&5's.

Of the (4) 3rd&4-'s, of the 8 plays preceding them, Jacobs rushed 4 times for 15 yards, Manning completed 2 passes for 14 yards and had 2 incompletions. These are interesting to me.

They failed to convert on a 3rd&4 by 2 yard completion early in the game but Jacobs converted the 4th&2. But that Drive ended in a FG.

Late in the game, they face a 3rd&3 after Jacobs had 2 runs for 7 yards. They turn it over on downs after a 2 yard run by Jacobs on 3rd&3 and a 0 yard run by Manning on 4th&1.

Later in the game, they face a 3rd&2 after a Manning completion for 6 yards on 1st&10 and a 2 yard run by Jacobs on 2nd&4. They run on 3rd&2 for 0 yards and then fail to convert the 4th down.

Their lone conversion of these short ones was a 3rd&2 converted by passing for 5 yards. But that drive ended in a fumble.

I'm not sure what all the make of these numbers, but it doesn't appear to me that the Giant's gave up on the run or made a lot of poor decisions as far as the run-pass mix. I think Philly just played some really good classic Philly "bend but don't break" D. And they locked things down on 3rd down.

As far as McNabb throwing in the same wind sure, he did. He also throws a tighter spiral then Eli so he was much more accurate in the wind.If you watched the game, beyond just looking at the play breakdown now, you saw Jacobs was running it at 5 to 10 yards at a clip and then they threw the ball three times in a row on 1st and 5.

They also went more heavily to Ward as the game progressed even through Jacobs punishing style was working. I believe that Jacobs only touched the ball 19 times in the game. Inexcusable in such a tight game when you have a weapon like him.

 

[The_Fonz]

The game plan used against Carolina should have been used. More running with jacobs PERIOD! Why was Ward in on 1st or 2nd down ever? Against Carolina he had over 200 yards BUT that wass all done spelling jacobs and much of it was on 3rd downs. The long ball to Steve Smith was thrown perfectly for Plax....that is 6 right there we would have had early. But the play calling was the worst I have seen since the last Eagles game.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

Again, this was a house money year for me so I'm not complaining in the usual sense, but:

The play calling does leave something to be desired. There was no flow to it and while I don't know if the actual numbers back it up it just felt like every time the running game began to get going it was Gilbride's decision to start going to the shotgun and throwing the ball.

Eli had a bad game. Simple. That first deep ball to Smith should have been a connection and they are both to blame on that one, but his ball was just off all game. Not using the running game the right way didn't help.

The defense played really well for most of the game, but they gave up a few big plays that would have been hard to recover from regardless. And there just wasn't enough pressure on McNabb.

Overall, the entire team lost this game, and I'm not sure that Eli deserves sole blame given the play calling problems and lack of pressure on McNabb.

The WR core was exposed without Burress though. Without a huge threat in that unit, it was clear to see that Toomer is too old, Smith isn't consistent enough nor is Hixon, Moss is awful and Manningham hasn't been given any chance to show anything yet. About the best thing you can say about the recieving core for the whole year is that Boss cought 6 TD's and they seem to have not missed a beat at that position, which gives them the ability to focus on WR this off season.

They need a big play WR or at least someone that Eli can rely on to catch anything he throws close. I personally hope that Manningham is given a chance to be a bigger part of the offense, and they use Brandon Jacobs more, and not get caught up in the 3 headed monster backfield pub that they were getting. I have faith in Reese and Coughlin to put together another good offseason and come back in the summer retooled for another run at the division title.

 

[Avery]

Again, this was a house money year for me so I'm not complaining in the usual sense, but:The play calling does leave something to be desired. There was no flow to it and while I don't know if the actual numbers back it up it just felt like every time the running game began to get going it was Gilbride's decision to start going to the shotgun and throwing the ball. Eli had a bad game. Simple. That first deep ball to Smith should have been a connection and they are both to blame on that one, but his ball was just off all game. Not using the running game the right way didn't help.The defense played really well for most of the game, but they gave up a few big plays that would have been hard to recover from regardless. And there just wasn't enough pressure on McNabb.Overall, the entire team lost this game, and I'm not sure that Eli deserves sole blame given the play calling problems and lack of pressure on McNabb.The WR core was exposed without Burress though. Without a huge threat in that unit, it was clear to see that Toomer is too old, Smith isn't consistent enough nor is Hixon, Moss is awful and Manningham hasn't been given any chance to show anything yet. About the best thing you can say about the recieving core for the whole year is that Boss cought 6 TD's and they seem to have not missed a beat at that position, which gives them the ability to focus on WR this off season.They need a big play WR or at least someone that Eli can rely on to catch anything he throws close. I personally hope that Manningham is given a chance to be a bigger part of the offense, and they use Brandon Jacobs more, and not get caught up in the 3 headed monster backfield pub that they were getting. I have faith in Reese and Coughlin to put together another good offseason and come back in the summer retooled for another run at the division title.

Spot on all around.

 

[Liquid Tension]

Manning's passes were off-target and totally wobbly all game. I don't think the receivers deserve (all of) the blame. Personally, I think that Jacobs was not utilized enough in this game. When he was utilized he was highly effective, I thought. He was jacked up and had all kinds of energy and determination. I would've kept feeding him the ball.

Manning missed 2 very open plays but besides that the Giants had 4 drops (2 caused by the Eagle defense who blanketed the Giants receivers most of the night). The receivers are one of many issues in the game. No pass rush, Carney, Eli, and the terrible playcalling.ETA Ward had 2 of the drops and one was huge

 

[Liquid Tension]

Again, this was a house money year for me so I'm not complaining in the usual sense, but:The play calling does leave something to be desired. There was no flow to it and while I don't know if the actual numbers back it up it just felt like every time the running game began to get going it was Gilbride's decision to start going to the shotgun and throwing the ball. Eli had a bad game. Simple. That first deep ball to Smith should have been a connection and they are both to blame on that one, but his ball was just off all game. Not using the running game the right way didn't help.The defense played really well for most of the game, but they gave up a few big plays that would have been hard to recover from regardless. And there just wasn't enough pressure on McNabb.Overall, the entire team lost this game, and I'm not sure that Eli deserves sole blame given the play calling problems and lack of pressure on McNabb.The WR core was exposed without Burress though. Without a huge threat in that unit, it was clear to see that Toomer is too old, Smith isn't consistent enough nor is Hixon, Moss is awful and Manningham hasn't been given any chance to show anything yet. About the best thing you can say about the recieving core for the whole year is that Boss cought 6 TD's and they seem to have not missed a beat at that position, which gives them the ability to focus on WR this off season.They need a big play WR or at least someone that Eli can rely on to catch anything he throws close. I personally hope that Manningham is given a chance to be a bigger part of the offense, and they use Brandon Jacobs more, and not get caught up in the 3 headed monster backfield pub that they were getting. I have faith in Reese and Coughlin to put together another good offseason and come back in the summer retooled for another run at the division title.

Spot on all around.

Agreed. I have said this all year, Toomer must be replaced as he is smothered with a weak CB.

 

[Liquid Tension]

Blame Manning for throwing a ####ty ball in the wind.

Blame receivers for being exposed as a bunch of WR2/3s.

Blame coaching staff for ####ty play calling and going away from Jacobs and the run when it was working so well.

Why should only one group be to blame?

Crappy performance by most of the Giants offense (except Jacobs and perhaps Boss) so there's lot of blame to go around.

The Eagles won by double digits with Donovan McNabb throwing in the same wind to a bunch of WR2/3's.The Giants ran 32 rushing plays to 29 passing plays. The Eagles on the other hand had 40 passing plays to 28 rushing plays. Jacobs had 19 carries and Ward had 12. It looks as if the Giants ran a pretty balanced attack with an emphasis on the run.

Ironically, as poorly as the Giants did on 3rd down (33% IIRC), they actually gained more first downs by passing than they did by running.

The Giants faced 3rd downs 13 times. Of those 13, 4 were for 4 or less yards, 3 were for 5 yards, and 6 were for 7+ yards.

Of those (6) 3rd&7+'s, of the 12 plays immediately preceding them, Jacobs and Ward rushed 10 times for 9 yards. There were only 2 incomplete passes the whole game leading to these 3rd and longs. The Giants only converted 1 of these and that drive ended in a punt. The Giants passed on each of these (6) 3rd&7+'s.

Of those (3) 3rd&5's, of the 6 plays immediately preceding them, Jacobs rushed 3 times for 10 yards and Manning had 3 incompletions. The Giants converted 1 of these by a 34 yard pass but that drive ended in a missed FG. The Giants passed on each of these 3rd&5's.

Of the (4) 3rd&4-'s, of the 8 plays preceding them, Jacobs rushed 4 times for 15 yards, Manning completed 2 passes for 14 yards and had 2 incompletions. These are interesting to me.

They failed to convert on a 3rd&4 by 2 yard completion early in the game but Jacobs converted the 4th&2. But that Drive ended in a FG.

Late in the game, they face a 3rd&3 after Jacobs had 2 runs for 7 yards. They turn it over on downs after a 2 yard run by Jacobs on 3rd&3 and a 0 yard run by Manning on 4th&1.

Later in the game, they face a 3rd&2 after a Manning completion for 6 yards on 1st&10 and a 2 yard run by Jacobs on 2nd&4. They run on 3rd&2 for 0 yards and then fail to convert the 4th down.

Their lone conversion of these short ones was a 3rd&2 converted by passing for 5 yards. But that drive ended in a fumble.

I'm not sure what all the make of these numbers, but it doesn't appear to me that the Giant's gave up on the run or made a lot of poor decisions as far as the run-pass mix. I think Philly just played some really good classic Philly "bend but don't break" D. And they locked things down on 3rd down.

As far as McNabb throwing in the same wind sure, he did. He also throws a tighter spiral then Eli so he was much more accurate in the wind.If you watched the game, beyond just looking at the play breakdown now, you saw Jacobs was running it at 5 to 10 yards at a clip and then they threw the ball three times in a row on 1st and 5.

They also went more heavily to Ward as the game progressed even through Jacobs punishing style was working. I believe that Jacobs only touched the ball 19 times in the game. Inexcusable in such a tight game when you have a weapon like him.

Just a point, McNabb was bad also. Even after the 50 yard bomb to ice the game when the Giants were desperate, Eli had a better YPA than McNabb. They each had 2 picks, but Eli's was returned for basically a TD. the win was a factor for both guys, but look at the pressure that was put on each QB; not even close.

 

[Avery]

Blame Manning for throwing a ####ty ball in the wind.

Blame receivers for being exposed as a bunch of WR2/3s.

Blame coaching staff for ####ty play calling and going away from Jacobs and the run when it was working so well.

Why should only one group be to blame?

Crappy performance by most of the Giants offense (except Jacobs and perhaps Boss) so there's lot of blame to go around.

The Eagles won by double digits with Donovan McNabb throwing in the same wind to a bunch of WR2/3's.The Giants ran 32 rushing plays to 29 passing plays. The Eagles on the other hand had 40 passing plays to 28 rushing plays. Jacobs had 19 carries and Ward had 12. It looks as if the Giants ran a pretty balanced attack with an emphasis on the run.

Ironically, as poorly as the Giants did on 3rd down (33% IIRC), they actually gained more first downs by passing than they did by running.

The Giants faced 3rd downs 13 times. Of those 13, 4 were for 4 or less yards, 3 were for 5 yards, and 6 were for 7+ yards.

Of those (6) 3rd&7+'s, of the 12 plays immediately preceding them, Jacobs and Ward rushed 10 times for 9 yards. There were only 2 incomplete passes the whole game leading to these 3rd and longs. The Giants only converted 1 of these and that drive ended in a punt. The Giants passed on each of these (6) 3rd&7+'s.

Of those (3) 3rd&5's, of the 6 plays immediately preceding them, Jacobs rushed 3 times for 10 yards and Manning had 3 incompletions. The Giants converted 1 of these by a 34 yard pass but that drive ended in a missed FG. The Giants passed on each of these 3rd&5's.

Of the (4) 3rd&4-'s, of the 8 plays preceding them, Jacobs rushed 4 times for 15 yards, Manning completed 2 passes for 14 yards and had 2 incompletions. These are interesting to me.

They failed to convert on a 3rd&4 by 2 yard completion early in the game but Jacobs converted the 4th&2. But that Drive ended in a FG.

Late in the game, they face a 3rd&3 after Jacobs had 2 runs for 7 yards. They turn it over on downs after a 2 yard run by Jacobs on 3rd&3 and a 0 yard run by Manning on 4th&1.

Later in the game, they face a 3rd&2 after a Manning completion for 6 yards on 1st&10 and a 2 yard run by Jacobs on 2nd&4. They run on 3rd&2 for 0 yards and then fail to convert the 4th down.

Their lone conversion of these short ones was a 3rd&2 converted by passing for 5 yards. But that drive ended in a fumble.

I'm not sure what all the make of these numbers, but it doesn't appear to me that the Giant's gave up on the run or made a lot of poor decisions as far as the run-pass mix. I think Philly just played some really good classic Philly "bend but don't break" D. And they locked things down on 3rd down.

As far as McNabb throwing in the same wind sure, he did. He also throws a tighter spiral then Eli so he was much more accurate in the wind.If you watched the game, beyond just looking at the play breakdown now, you saw Jacobs was running it at 5 to 10 yards at a clip and then they threw the ball three times in a row on 1st and 5.

They also went more heavily to Ward as the game progressed even through Jacobs punishing style was working. I believe that Jacobs only touched the ball 19 times in the game. Inexcusable in such a tight game when you have a weapon like him.

Just a point, McNabb was bad also. Even after the 50 yard bomb to ice the game when the Giants were desperate, Eli had a better YPA than McNabb. They each had 2 picks, but Eli's was returned for basically a TD. the win was a factor for both guys, but look at the pressure that was put on each QB; not even close.

McNabb didn't have a good day overall but he clearly was throwing a better ball; tighter spiral and the nose pointed down to overcome the wind.

 

[JamesTheScot]

As far as McNabb throwing in the same wind sure, he did. He also throws a tighter spiral then Eli so he was much more accurate in the wind.

If you watched the game, beyond just looking at the play breakdown now, you saw Jacobs was running it at 5 to 10 yards at a clip and then they threw the ball three times in a row on 1st and 5.

They also went more heavily to Ward as the game progressed even through Jacobs punishing style was working. I believe that Jacobs only touched the ball 19 times in the game. Inexcusable in such a tight game when you have a weapon like him.

I don't have a beef between McNabb and Manning, but McNabb only completed 55% of his passes to like 51% for Manning. Both had pretty poor passer ratings.As for Jacobs vs. Ward...here's a breakdown of their touches by quarter, drive and by down and distance in the order they occured.

First Quarter

2&10, Jacobs run for 6 yards (Second play of the first possession)

3&4, Ward catch for 2 yards

4&2, Jacobs run for 3 yards

1&10, Jacobs run for 2 yards

2&8, Jacobs run for 0 yards

3&8, Ward catch for 5 yards

Drive ends with a FG.

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(Second possession, Manning throws a pick on the first play. Eagles get TD from this turnover.)

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1&10, Ward run for 0 yards (First play of third possession)

2&10, Ward run for 2 yards

1&10, Ward run for 0 yards

2&10, Ward run for 1 yard

Drive ends in a punt.

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1&10, Jacobs run for 11 yards (First play of fourth possession)

Start of second Quarter

1&10, Jacobs run for 2 yards

2&8, Jacobs run for 1 yard

Drive ends in a punt.

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1&10, Ward run for 5 yards (First play of fifth possession)

1&10, Ward run for 3 yards

1&10, Jacobs run for 0 yards

Drive ends with a missed FG.

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1&10, Jacobs run for 24 yards (First play of sixth possession drive)

1&10, Ward run for 5 yards (next play giving Jacobs a breather)

3&5, Ward catch for 4 yards

Drive ends with a FG.

1st half summary: Jacobs has 9 rushes for 49 yards (5.4 yards per carry), Ward has 7 rushes for 16 yards (2.2 yards per carry) with 3 catches (all on 3rd down!) for 11 yards (3.6 yards per reception).

Third Quarter

1&10, Jacobs run for 11 yards (First play of first possession this half)

1&10, Jacobs run for 5 yards

Drive ends with a FG.

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1&10, Jacobs run for 3 yards (First play of second possession)

2&7, Jacobs run for 2 yards

2&10, Jacobs run for 1 yard

Drive ends in a missed FG.

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Start of the Fourth Quarter

1&10, Jacobs for 11 yards (First play of third possession)

1&10, Jacobs for 5 yards

2&5, Jacobs for 2 yards

3&3, Ward for 2 yards

4&1, Manning for 0 yards

Turn over on downs.

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1&10, Ward for 14 yards (First play of fourth possession)

1&10, Ward for 9 yards

2&1, Ward for 5 yards

2&4, Jacobs for 2 yards

3&2, Ward for 0 yards

4&2, Jacobs for 1 yard

Turn over on downs.

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(Fifth possession consists of 3 Manning passes, 2 for 23 yards and then a pick. )

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2&10, Ward catch for 8 yards (Second play of sixth possession)

3&2, Ward catch for 5 yards

Drive ends in a fumble.

2nd half summary: Jacobs has 10 rushes for 44 yards (4.4 yards per carry), Ward has 5 rushes for 30 yards (6.0 yards per carry) with 2 catches (one on 3rd down) for 13 yards (6.5 yards per reception). Both those receptions come after the 2 minute warning!

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In the second half, Ward wasn't really involved until the 10:00 minute mark in the 4th quarter when the score was 20-11. He did as well as Jacobs did with those touches he got, go look at them. It's going to be a hard sell to say Jacobs could have done more with them than Ward did.

It also seems rather odd to me how Jacobs's yards taper off as the drive progresses. Every one of his longer runs came on a 1&10 on his first run of that drive! And the Giants clearly come back on the next set of downs with the run but don't have the same success, even when Jacobs is the ball carrier. You see the runs shorten and more runs of 0, 1 and 2 yards occur as the drive wears on.

Not sure what happened on the third possession of the first half. It may have been that the coaches were just trying to see how Ward would fare against the Philly D. I wasn't watching the game then so I can't say. But 4 of Ward's 12 carries came on that one drive alone and that was in the 1st Quarter.

I just don't see anything glaring to point at in regards to Jacobs's utilization. He sprung a few long gains on 1&10 but the Philly D tightened down as the drive progressed. Again, classic Philly D!

Manning didn't do well on third downs and with turnovers and Carney missed a couple of field goals. Manning's pick early in the game gave the Eagles 7 points. Missed FG's cost them 6 points. A Manning pick and a Smith fumble ended two potential scoring drives in the 4th quarter. They lose by 12. There's your answer.

 

[Tanner9919]

http://www.nypost.com/seven/01122009/sport...loss_149775.htm

Who in their right mind can blame the receivers for the lack of production in the passing game yesterday?

it all belongs with Manning, he can't throw a tight spiral like Phil Simms can..every pass was a wounded duck.the play calling was also atrocious, so Gilbride has to shoulder a lot of the blame..you KNEW the Eagles would constantly blitz, but you did nothing to counter that, hardly any screens, TE dump-offs, no qb roll-outs, no moving of the pocket..

Neither Gilbride or Spags made halftime adjustments and that's also partly to blame for the loss..

that, and the Eagles played well, and McNabb threw passes with tight spirals. and they picked on Pierce once again..

The Eagles simply played better..

 

[TitusIII]

Eli Manning played as bad as I've ever seen him play, and the offensive line was blown-up in key situations.