NY Jets @ 1.04 (1 Viewer)

[Bonzai]

i'm making up a mock draft and having trouble figuring out who the Jets take with their first pick. i realize that they are a good candidate to trade down, but i'd like figure out who they's take, hypothetically, if they maintianed their position.their most garing need is QB, but does cutler's stock raise so high as to be taken at 1.04? do they draft deangelo williams to replace an aging cmart? or do they take the best available player in ferguson? or is ferguson even the best available player? kiper's currently got mario williams at #4 on his big board, and we all know kiper's word is gospel, heh.any help from jets homers or draft gurus would be greatly appreciated.

 

[BlueOnion]

I would have to say D'Brickashaw Ferguson.

 

[Kiddnets]

Jets are a tough read right now. Especially with the new coach. They can go in a few different ways. 1. I really think Bradaway would like to trade down a few spots and grab D. Williams, Cutler or OL. 2. D'Brick - solidify the OL which is in shambles. He has to grade as high as an Ogden/Pace prospect though.3. Hawk - Big impact LB to team with Vilma to creat a force with the new 3-4 Defense rumored to be implemented. 4. Bush - only if he falls into their lap.

 

[Bonzai]

I would have to say D'Brickashaw Ferguson.

is this because they need to address their line or because he's the best player available? its my understanding that the jet's line is pretty good, and they might be better off ignoring ferguson to address a more urgent need.

 

[Kiddnets]

I would have to say D'Brickashaw Ferguson.

is this because they need to address their line or because he's the best player available? its my understanding that the jet's line is pretty good, and they might be better off ignoring ferguson to address a more urgent need.

Jets line stinks. Fabini, Mawae and Kendall are old and overpaid. Adrian Jones looked ok but not a stud. Would be nice to land a solid LT for the next 10 years

 

[BlueOnion]

I would have to say D'Brickashaw Ferguson.

is this because they need to address their line or because he's the best player available? its my understanding that the jet's line is pretty good, and they might be better off ignoring ferguson to address a more urgent need.

Aplogies, I guess I didn't offer much insight to my post. Part because I think he is going to be the clear #4 prospect in the draft and in part the Jets' tackles are not very good.

 

[toxicbees]

I think the Jets are going to take a QB, since Pennington is such a question mark. So I expect them to take Jay Cutler, Vanderbilt or Brodie Croyle, Alabama. Possibly even Reggie McNeal, Texas A&M or Omar Jacobs, Bowling Green.

 

[ooofffaaa]

Alexis Serna, Oregon State

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[Reaper]

If the Jets stick at 4 I say they either go Ferguson or AJ Hawk depending on what they do with the defense, if Abe stays and/or if they try to go more 3-4.....They definitely need a Tackle and some OL help then get rid of Fabini who's been in a steady decline.I'd think they are hoping Ferguson and/or Cutler become clear cut #4 picks and they get better value on a trade down.

 

[Kiddnets]

I think the Jets are going to take a QB, since Pennington is such a question mark. So I expect them to take Jay Cutler, Vanderbilt or Brodie Croyle, Alabama. Possibly even Reggie McNeal, Texas A&M or Omar Jacobs, Bowling Green.

Jets will not go QB unless they trade down - they will not invest another $50M contract on a rookie QB with another $20M locked up with Chad still.

 

[Reaper]

I think the Jets are going to take a QB, since Pennington is such a question mark. So I expect them to take Jay Cutler, Vanderbilt or Brodie Croyle, Alabama. Possibly even Reggie McNeal, Texas A&M or Omar Jacobs, Bowling Green.

Bradway outright said he probably wouldn't be looking QB and he's pretty good with his word in those instances......Maybe if they could trade down and still get Cutler later on or with their 2nd pick I can see them go for a QB...

But, this is part of the problem with a lame duck GM - Would he go for the QB when he needs to show some immediate improvement - He SHOULD at least give it a real good look.

 

[Bloom]

DaBrick.

 

[Bonzai]

I would have to say D'Brickashaw Ferguson.

is this because they need to address their line or because he's the best player available? its my understanding that the jet's line is pretty good, and they might be better off ignoring ferguson to address a more urgent need.

Jets line stinks. Fabini, Mawae and Kendall are old and overpaid. Adrian Jones looked ok but not a stud. Would be nice to land a solid LT for the next 10 years

footballguys had the jets line ranked #7 going into the '05 season. have they really fallen that far? is it the loss of McKenzie? or is it the case that poor play at the skill positions (an aging cmart, an unbelievalbly ineffective qb rotation, below average wr corp) made an ok line look bad?

 

[Z-Dog]

It won't be Cutler - I don't see Cutler going that high, but also, I don't think the Jets are giving up on Pennington yet, and will not give a top-5 contract to a QB after just having given a big one to Pennington. DeAngelo Williams is a possiblity, but I think the Jets are ok with Martin, Houston, and Blaylock as a committee for another year. Besides, good RB prospects can be found in the second and third rounds.Hawk seems highly unlikely, and I don't buy the 3-4 noise. I don't think Robertson is a 3-4 NT. At LB, between Vilma, Hobson, and Barton, the Jets have a young and capable LB corps.No, assuming they don't trade down, I think they go Ferguson. He's a local boy, but really, the O-line needs fresh talent at tackle. Adrian Jones should be playing RT, not LT, and Fabini looks done.

 

[Bonzai]

I think the Jets are going to take a QB, since Pennington is such a question mark.  So I expect them to take Jay Cutler, Vanderbilt or Brodie Croyle, Alabama.  Possibly even Reggie McNeal, Texas A&M or Omar Jacobs, Bowling Green.

Jets will not go QB unless they trade down - they will not invest another $50M contract on a rookie QB with another $20M locked up with Chad still.

good point

 

[cstu]

DaBrick.

I wouldn't understand any other pick. Unfortunately they still have to deal with Pennington and there's still a slim chance he might make it back all the way. As much as I like Cutler, it's taking a big chance that could set the organization back a couple years if he flops. Getting Ferguson gives them a LT who is going to help the running game and give whomever is QB time to throw the ball. If Pennington does return, the last thing the Jets want is a bad LT allowing DE's to blindside him repeatedly. Ferguson is a rare talent and the safest pick in the draft.

 

[Sheriff66]

Ferguson, this cat is the real deal, W. Jones, O. Pace, J. Ogden type. I bet D. Carr wishes they would take this guy #1....

 

[Chaos Commish]

DaBrick.

I wouldn't understand any other pick. Unfortunately they still have to deal with Pennington and there's still a slim chance he might make it back all the way. As much as I like Cutler, it's taking a big chance that could set the organization back a couple years if he flops. Getting Ferguson gives them a LT who is going to help the running game and give whomever is QB time to throw the ball. If Pennington does return, the last thing the Jets want is a bad LT allowing DE's to blindside him repeatedly. Ferguson is a rare talent and the safest pick in the draft.

A solid as D'Brick looks, and he has answered all the questions this week, the Jets line is similar to Houston's. It is weak on the interior; it was torn up by injury; they desperately need a right tackle, and they have one very good lineman-- Adrian Jones, Left Tackle. Jones can be moved, but then a rookie is starting at LT. That's troube no matter who the rookie is (unless he's Pace or Ogden and D'Brick isn't). With a solid LT on the team, Mawae coming back, they need a right tackle. It looks like they can get a very very good one with an early second rounder. Adrian Jones is a bad prospect for the right side and so is D'Brick. Why not take DeAngelo then Ryan O'Callaghan or Andrew Whitworth? Or Hawk or Mario Williams and a solid right tackle. O'Callaghan's been playing the right side this week and he hasn't been touched by two DE's who have beaten D'Brick this week.

One thing is for sure, with Cutler looking better than most expected, DeAngelo looking better than most expected, and D'Brick living up to expectations and shutting up the doubters, the Jets prospects for trading down are getting much better.

 

[Bonzai]

A solid as D'Brick looks, and he has answered all the questions this week, the Jets line is similar to Houston's. It is weak on the interior; it was torn up by injury; they desperately need a right tackle, and they have one very good lineman-- Adrian Jones, Left Tackle. Jones can be moved, but then a rookie is starting at LT. That's troube no matter who the rookie is (unless he's Pace or Ogden and D'Brick isn't). With a solid LT on the team, Mawae coming back, they need a right tackle. It looks like they can get a very very good one with an early second rounder. Adrian Jones is a bad prospect for the right side and so is D'Brick.

Why not take DeAngelo then Ryan O'Callaghan or Andrew Whitworth? Or Hawk or Mario Williams and a solid right tackle. O'Callaghan's been playing the right side this week and he hasn't been touched by two DE's who have beaten D'Brick this week.

One thing is for sure, with Cutler looking better than most expected, DeAngelo looking better than most expected, and D'Brick living up to expectations and shutting up the doubters, the Jets prospects for trading down are getting much better.

great post if deangelo delivers saturday and does well at the combine i can see the jets taking him in the first and waiting til the second to address the line. i don't see hawk or williams, tho.

 

[Bloom]

DaBrick.

I wouldn't understand any other pick. Unfortunately they still have to deal with Pennington and there's still a slim chance he might make it back all the way. As much as I like Cutler, it's taking a big chance that could set the organization back a couple years if he flops. Getting Ferguson gives them a LT who is going to help the running game and give whomever is QB time to throw the ball. If Pennington does return, the last thing the Jets want is a bad LT allowing DE's to blindside him repeatedly. Ferguson is a rare talent and the safest pick in the draft.

A solid as D'Brick looks, and he has answered all the questions this week, the Jets line is similar to Houston's. It is weak on the interior; it was torn up by injury; they desperately need a right tackle, and they have one very good lineman-- Adrian Jones, Left Tackle. Jones can be moved, but then a rookie is starting at LT. That's troube no matter who the rookie is (unless he's Pace or Ogden and D'Brick isn't). With a solid LT on the team, Mawae coming back, they need a right tackle. It looks like they can get a very very good one with an early second rounder. Adrian Jones is a bad prospect for the right side and so is D'Brick. Why not take DeAngelo then Ryan O'Callaghan or Andrew Whitworth? Or Hawk or Mario Williams and a solid right tackle. O'Callaghan's been playing the right side this week and he hasn't been touched by two DE's who have beaten D'Brick this week.

One thing is for sure, with Cutler looking better than most expected, DeAngelo looking better than most expected, and D'Brick living up to expectations and shutting up the doubters, the Jets prospects for trading down are getting much better.

Im not sold on Jones as a LT. I am sold on the DaBrick. I think Jones is a much better asset at RT than LT. When you have a chance to take a franchise LT you take him and dont look back. even better, take Brick, and then take Brian Calhoun or Joseph Addai or Maurice Drew, or heck, Maroney might even fall to the top of 2nd. Even better, take Brick, then take Jean-Gilles, or Joseph, and then you have a line that can make adequate backs Houston and Blaylock look pretty good very soon.

 

[Chaos Commish]

DaBrick.

I wouldn't understand any other pick. Unfortunately they still have to deal with Pennington and there's still a slim chance he might make it back all the way. As much as I like Cutler, it's taking a big chance that could set the organization back a couple years if he flops. Getting Ferguson gives them a LT who is going to help the running game and give whomever is QB time to throw the ball. If Pennington does return, the last thing the Jets want is a bad LT allowing DE's to blindside him repeatedly. Ferguson is a rare talent and the safest pick in the draft.

A solid as D'Brick looks, and he has answered all the questions this week, the Jets line is similar to Houston's. It is weak on the interior; it was torn up by injury; they desperately need a right tackle, and they have one very good lineman-- Adrian Jones, Left Tackle. Jones can be moved, but then a rookie is starting at LT. That's troube no matter who the rookie is (unless he's Pace or Ogden and D'Brick isn't). With a solid LT on the team, Mawae coming back, they need a right tackle. It looks like they can get a very very good one with an early second rounder. Adrian Jones is a bad prospect for the right side and so is D'Brick. Why not take DeAngelo then Ryan O'Callaghan or Andrew Whitworth? Or Hawk or Mario Williams and a solid right tackle. O'Callaghan's been playing the right side this week and he hasn't been touched by two DE's who have beaten D'Brick this week.

One thing is for sure, with Cutler looking better than most expected, DeAngelo looking better than most expected, and D'Brick living up to expectations and shutting up the doubters, the Jets prospects for trading down are getting much better.

Im not sold on Jones as a LT. I am sold on the DaBrick. I think Jones is a much better asset at RT than LT. When you have a chance to take a franchise LT you take him and dont look back. even better, take Brick, and then take Brian Calhoun or Joseph Addai or Maurice Drew, or heck, Maroney might even fall to the top of 2nd. Even better, take Brick, then take Jean-Gilles, or Joseph, and then you have a line that can make adequate backs Houston and Blaylock look pretty good very soon.

This is from a Jets fan in another forum, but I think he has this about right.

Adrian Jones is 6'4 296 and has incredible footwork for a man his size...sound familiar??? Jones is only 24 years old and in his second year at a new position playing at the highest level of competition in the world, with that considerd, he had a great year last year and started all 16 games. D'bricksaw missed time this season due to injuries. The Jets have no neeed at LT, in fact it is one of the few positions where we have our player for the future already in place. Am I saying that it is impossible that we draft D'Brickshaw?...no. He is incredibly talented and we could start him and Adrian together and just ask one of them to put on 10 - 15 extra pounds over the off-season, because really there isn't to big of a difference between LT and RT except that one is protecting the QB's bilind spot (usually LT but with a lefty QB its the RT) so they shold be more athletic and better in pass protection then the RT. Now usually you want the big mauler RT to help out more with the run game because the more athletic LT isnt going to be running people over. I dont think that Adrian can become a mauling, road grader type of tackle because thats just not his game. I dont think he'll be as effective playing at a higher weight then he is at already. I think D'Brikshaw could bulk up to around 315 - 320 and be real good in the passing game and the running game, but I would rather we trade down or go in a different direction with the pick (LenDale, Mario Williams, AJ Hawk, Vince Young would be great if he fell) becase we could draft a great RT in the 2nd (Marcus McNeil, Ryan O'Callaghan, Andrew Whitworth) and then a solid G and C in the 3rd, one of the 4th's, or the 5th and you throw in Brandon Moore and we have a real good looking young O-line.

I like his argument. AJ is not a prospect for RT. He is a converted TE perfectly suited for LT, and he did a nice job last season. I fell in love with D'Brick watching him practice this week, but I think the Jets would be making a very small mistake if they take him. Their best move is moving down and trying for an extra second rounder. Their defense is a huge issue. Trade down and add Greenway, OCallaghan/Whitworth, and Calhoun??

 

[dj_stouty]

Ferguson, this cat is the real deal, W. Jones, O. Pace, J. Ogden type. I bet D. Carr wishes they would take this guy #1....

I agree 100%. The Jets should start believing that their QB play will only get better with a solid franchise Left Tackle.

 

[Kiddnets]

Don't underestimate the Mangini influence. If he truly is in that BB/Tuna mold it would be tough to see him not jump at the chance to take the highest rated defensive player in the country!

 

[diesel7982]

I would have to say D'Brickashaw Ferguson.

is this because they need to address their line or because he's the best player available? its my understanding that the jet's line is pretty good, and they might be better off ignoring ferguson to address a more urgent need.

Jets line stinks. Fabini, Mawae and Kendall are old and overpaid. Adrian Jones looked ok but not a stud. Would be nice to land a solid LT for the next 10 years

footballguys had the jets line ranked #7 going into the '05 season. have they really fallen that far? is it the loss of McKenzie? or is it the case that poor play at the skill positions (an aging cmart, an unbelievalbly ineffective qb rotation, below average wr corp) made an ok line look bad?

With apologies to FBG, they never should have been #7. Fabini is horrible, Adrian Jones didnt step up, Mawae isnt Mawae, and they have no guard play whatsoever.

 

[cstu]

DaBrick.

I wouldn't understand any other pick. Unfortunately they still have to deal with Pennington and there's still a slim chance he might make it back all the way. As much as I like Cutler, it's taking a big chance that could set the organization back a couple years if he flops. Getting Ferguson gives them a LT who is going to help the running game and give whomever is QB time to throw the ball. If Pennington does return, the last thing the Jets want is a bad LT allowing DE's to blindside him repeatedly. Ferguson is a rare talent and the safest pick in the draft.

A solid as D'Brick looks, and he has answered all the questions this week, the Jets line is similar to Houston's. It is weak on the interior; it was torn up by injury; they desperately need a right tackle, and they have one very good lineman-- Adrian Jones, Left Tackle. Jones can be moved, but then a rookie is starting at LT. That's troube no matter who the rookie is (unless he's Pace or Ogden and D'Brick isn't). With a solid LT on the team, Mawae coming back, they need a right tackle. It looks like they can get a very very good one with an early second rounder. Adrian Jones is a bad prospect for the right side and so is D'Brick. Why not take DeAngelo then Ryan O'Callaghan or Andrew Whitworth? Or Hawk or Mario Williams and a solid right tackle. O'Callaghan's been playing the right side this week and he hasn't been touched by two DE's who have beaten D'Brick this week.

One thing is for sure, with Cutler looking better than most expected, DeAngelo looking better than most expected, and D'Brick living up to expectations and shutting up the doubters, the Jets prospects for trading down are getting much better.

Im not sold on Jones as a LT. I am sold on the DaBrick. I think Jones is a much better asset at RT than LT. When you have a chance to take a franchise LT you take him and dont look back. even better, take Brick, and then take Brian Calhoun or Joseph Addai or Maurice Drew, or heck, Maroney might even fall to the top of 2nd. Even better, take Brick, then take Jean-Gilles, or Joseph, and then you have a line that can make adequate backs Houston and Blaylock look pretty good very soon.

This is from a Jets fan in another forum, but I think he has this about right.

Adrian Jones is 6'4 296 and has incredible footwork for a man his size...sound familiar??? Jones is only 24 years old and in his second year at a new position playing at the highest level of competition in the world, with that considerd, he had a great year last year and started all 16 games. D'bricksaw missed time this season due to injuries. The Jets have no neeed at LT, in fact it is one of the few positions where we have our player for the future already in place. Am I saying that it is impossible that we draft D'Brickshaw?...no. He is incredibly talented and we could start him and Adrian together and just ask one of them to put on 10 - 15 extra pounds over the off-season, because really there isn't to big of a difference between LT and RT except that one is protecting the QB's bilind spot (usually LT but with a lefty QB its the RT) so they shold be more athletic and better in pass protection then the RT. Now usually you want the big mauler RT to help out more with the run game because the more athletic LT isnt going to be running people over. I dont think that Adrian can become a mauling, road grader type of tackle because thats just not his game. I dont think he'll be as effective playing at a higher weight then he is at already. I think D'Brikshaw could bulk up to around 315 - 320 and be real good in the passing game and the running game, but I would rather we trade down or go in a different direction with the pick (LenDale, Mario Williams, AJ Hawk, Vince Young would be great if he fell) becase we could draft a great RT in the 2nd (Marcus McNeil, Ryan O'Callaghan, Andrew Whitworth) and then a solid G and C in the 3rd, one of the 4th's, or the 5th and you throw in Brandon Moore and we have a real good looking young O-line.

I like his argument. AJ is not a prospect for RT. He is a converted TE perfectly suited for LT, and he did a nice job last season. I fell in love with D'Brick watching him practice this week, but I think the Jets would be making a very small mistake if they take him. Their best move is moving down and trying for an extra second rounder. Their defense is a huge issue. Trade down and add Greenway, OCallaghan/Whitworth, and Calhoun??

Adrian Jones is developing, but he's not a natural LT like Ferguson. AJ was to be the RT but showed that he was better at LT than Fabini (Herm Edwards said he was going to make the switch of Jones to LT and Fabini to RT permanent - probably so since there's a good chance Fabini will be released because of his $4.5 million cap number in 2006). As well as AJ has played, I still think passing on Ferguson would be a mistake since he can be the elite LT that AJ likely will never be and if Fabini is gone they need a RT. Mawae looks like he may be retire, which would mean moving Kendall from G to C permanently and leaving a hole a G. I think with an OL of Ferguson at LT, Kendall at C, and AJ at RT, the Jets would have the makings of a top OL.

 

[Z-Dog]

I would have to say D'Brickashaw Ferguson.

is this because they need to address their line or because he's the best player available? its my understanding that the jet's line is pretty good, and they might be better off ignoring ferguson to address a more urgent need.

Jets line stinks. Fabini, Mawae and Kendall are old and overpaid. Adrian Jones looked ok but not a stud. Would be nice to land a solid LT for the next 10 years

footballguys had the jets line ranked #7 going into the '05 season. have they really fallen that far? is it the loss of McKenzie? or is it the case that poor play at the skill positions (an aging cmart, an unbelievalbly ineffective qb rotation, below average wr corp) made an ok line look bad?

With apologies to FBG, they never should have been #7. Fabini is horrible, Adrian Jones didnt step up, Mawae isnt Mawae, and they have no guard play whatsoever.

I strongly disgaree! Remember, the O-line coming in was the same O-line that paved the way for the leading rusher in the NFL. That, and they were in the top 10 in sacks allowed too. Fabini appears to have hit the end of his starting career, but that happens - sometimes, players get old very fast. The guards are actually quite good, and are considered among the most athletic in the league. The Jets run O is predicated on guys like Mawae, Moore, and Kendall pulling and blocking in space.This year, the line fell apart. Fabini and Mawae got injured. Losing your LT and C, especially a pro-Bowl (maybe even HOF) center, puts you at a massive disadvantage, especially when your talented RT left in FA. Basically, the line that the Jets had midway through last year had only two players left on it from the rpevious season, and one of them was playing out of position (Kendall).

 

[cstu]

Also, didn't AJ allow 3 sacks to Jason Taylor in the last game against the Dolphins?

 

[Bonzai]

I strongly disgaree! Remember, the O-line coming in was the same O-line that paved the way for the leading rusher in the NFL. That, and they were in the top 10 in sacks allowed too. Fabini appears to have hit the end of his starting career, but that happens - sometimes, players get old very fast. The guards are actually quite good, and are considered among the most athletic in the league. The Jets run O is predicated on guys like Mawae, Moore, and Kendall pulling and blocking in space.This year, the line fell apart. Fabini and Mawae got injured. Losing your LT and C, especially a pro-Bowl (maybe even HOF) center, puts you at a massive disadvantage, especially when your talented RT left in FA. Basically, the line that the Jets had midway through last year had only two players left on it from the rpevious season, and one of them was playing out of position (Kendall).

thanks for clearing that up. didn't realize injuries were such an issue. whos expected to be back?

 

[Z-Dog]

As of right now, the line projects to be:LT: Adrian JonesLG: Pete KendallC: Kevin MawaeRG: Brandon MooreRT: Jason FabiniIt seems likely that the Jets will seek another tackle, either in the draft or in FA, b/c Fabini can't be relied upon.

 

[Patoons]

As of right now, the line projects to be:

LT: Adrian Jones

LG: Pete Kendall

C: Kevin Mawae

RG: Brandon Moore

RT: Jason Fabini

It seems likely that the Jets will seek another tackle, either in the draft or in FA, b/c Fabini can't be relied upon.

Yea- I've read reports on Fabini saying that he would come back in a backup position. He had such terrible protection from the backside all year long. The Jets need someone to protect the QB, especially if Pennington is going to make a successful comback.

 

[Bears_Man2]

Ferguson.Suck one more year & they'll take Peterson out of Oklahoma with their 1st pick.

 

[cstu]

As of right now, the line projects to be:

LT: Adrian Jones

LG: Pete Kendall

C: Kevin Mawae

RG: Brandon Moore

RT: Jason Fabini

It seems likely that the Jets will seek another tackle, either in the draft or in FA, b/c Fabini can't be relied upon.

Yea- I've read reports on Fabini saying that he would come back in a backup position. He had such terrible protection from the backside all year long. The Jets need someone to protect the QB, especially if Pennington is going to make a successful comback.

What about Mawae retiring and Fabini getting cut?

 

[TLEF316]

adrian jones is not a RT. he is an agility and footwork guy, not a plower. I like D'brick, but i dont think he is an elite tackle prospect, so id pass. If we lose Abe, id like to see us take Mario williams. we will need the pass rush help.If we re-sign Abe, i honestly dont know where we go. Cant go D-line, as it would sink even more money into the position. I doubt any DB's grade out high enough, so thats out.No WR's grade out high enough, so forget that. Our LB core is already very good, so taking Hawk is a luxury i dont think we can afford. I dont want us going to the 3-4, as we dont have the personel. Robertson isnt a NT.cant sink more money into a QB. plus, neither leinert or vince will fall to us. Cutler wont grade out that high(at least i dont think so)so, the options are RB or OL. Unless D'brick is a sure fire stud, we cant take him and essentially relegate jones to the bench. Unless he moves to guard, he becomes worthless if we pick ferguson. Neither can play RT. too small. I wouldnt mind seing us take Deangelo williams, as i dont think houston is the answer. However, RB's can be found later.We need to trade down, desperatly. There just isnt value based on our needs unless we let go of abe.

 

[Bri]

i'm making up a mock draft and having trouble figuring out who the Jets take with their first pick. i realize that they are a good candidate to trade down, but i'd like figure out who they's take, hypothetically, if they maintianed their position.

their most garing need is QB, but does cutler's stock raise so high as to be taken at 1.04? do they draft deangelo williams to replace an aging cmart? or do they take the best available player in ferguson? or is ferguson even the best available player? kiper's currently got mario williams at #4 on his big board, and we all know kiper's word is gospel, heh.

any help from jets homers or draft gurus would be greatly appreciated.

At 1.04 I think you take the gem that falls to you. If it's a QB, RB, or T that's whom they take. In a way I don't think it matters which it is as they all fill a need and it's not often a team gets a shot at a stud RB, QB, or T.

 

[Bri]

What about Mawae retiring and Fabini getting cut?

Mawae retiring? surprised to read that, heard anything?

 

[cstu]

adrian jones is not a RT. he is an agility and footwork guy, not a plower. I like D'brick, but i dont think he is an elite tackle prospect, so id pass. If we lose Abe, id like to see us take Mario williams. we will need the pass rush help.

If we re-sign Abe, i honestly dont know where we go. Cant go D-line, as it would sink even more money into the position.

I doubt any DB's grade out high enough, so thats out.

No WR's grade out high enough, so forget that.

Our LB core is already very good, so taking Hawk is a luxury i dont think we can afford. I dont want us going to the 3-4, as we dont have the personel. Robertson isnt a NT.

cant sink more money into a QB. plus, neither leinert or vince will fall to us. Cutler wont grade out that high(at least i dont think so)

so, the options are RB or OL. Unless D'brick is a sure fire stud, we cant take him and essentially relegate jones to the bench. Unless he moves to guard, he becomes worthless if we pick ferguson. Neither can play RT. too small. I wouldnt mind seing us take Deangelo williams, as i dont think houston is the answer. However, RB's can be found later.

We need to trade down, desperatly. There just isnt value based on our needs unless we let go of abe.

D'Brick IS a sure-fire stud and taking him doesn't not put Jones on the bench. Jones started the year at RT and did fine until Fabini got hurt. Fabini is going to be a cap-casualty unless he renegotiates his $4.5 million cap number next year, letting the Jets move Jones back to RT. How can someone be big enough for LT but too small for RT? Mawae is probably retiring leaving the center position up in the air so they either need to keep Kendall at center and acquire a new guard or draft/sign a new center.

 

[Chaos Commish]

Jets interested in Cutler

In an apparent philosophical shift, the Jets are seriously considering drafting Vanderbilt quarterback Jay Cutler in the first round of the April draft should they trade down from the fourth pick overall, according to someone with knowledge of the team's thinking. (...) At the Senior Bowl in Mobile, Ala., several Jets team representatives and scouts, including general manager Terry Bradway, had a lengthy dinner with Cutler on Wednesday night. The Dolphins also have shown interest in Cutler.In addition to Cutler, the Jets have shown considerable interest in offensive tackles D'Brickashaw Ferguson (Virginia) and Eric Winston (Miami).If the Jets keep the fourth pick overall, they likely would take Ferguson, who is considered a franchise left tackle. If they trade down, they would try to select Cutler in the 10-to-15-pick range and pick up an offensive tackle such as Winston later in the first round.

 

[CanadianNFLJunkie]

I'd say DaBrick or Cutler otherwise they'll likely trade down in the 1st for extras.

 

[Reaper]

With apologies to FBG, they never should have been #7. Fabini is horrible, Adrian Jones didnt step up, Mawae isnt Mawae, and they have no guard play whatsoever.

I agree the #7 ranking was a bit off But, Jones Did step up (Granted - at the time of the ranking he couldn't be counted on if that's where you were going) and Mawae was injured..... Fabini I'll give you but, Kendall is a real good Guard and then had to play center - The guards aren't so bad when everyone is healthy.....Jones - Kendall - Mawae - Moore - Fabini is OK BUT, The Jets also changed their OL blocking a bit going to more of a zone blocking system with Heimerdinger that made things look a little worse to start the year, then the injuries came.

What they needed was a RT to groom behind Fabini as we as depth all along the line with some youth ready to take over. Seemed like every draftnik last year had the Jets at least going OL for depth and Bradway laughed it off for a Kicker - Now here we sit NEEDED OL.

 

[Reaper]

Mawae is probably retiring leaving the center position up in the air so they either need to keep Kendall at center and acquire a new guard or draft/sign a new center.

Where did you read about Mawae retiring? - I've heard interviews with him talking about the new coaching staff and next year - He's done at least 2 interviews one on Sirius and one on WFAN where he's talked about the future of the Jets and the NFL with no mention of retiring..... He has a journal as well http://www.nflplayers.com/players/player.a...section=journal

 

[NYRAGE]

Kavka was developing at tackle before he got hurt. He was assigned to NFL Europe, so we'll if he continues to develop.Honestly, it's too early to tell about the draft. You have to see what happens with Abraham, player cuts, and free agency.If you need a pick now, then it would be the Brick. O-line is the biggest need. Mario Williams could also be the pick, too. Most likely, the Jets are going to want to trade down. There are plenty of o-linemen in this draft. You can also still get a good rb in the second or third round.

 

[Reaper]

Of course that's the smartest thing the Jets can do is pretend Cutler is the best thing since sliced bread to boost the pick value when they try to trade down..Jets audible: Eye Vandy QB Cutler in draft Friday, January 27, 2006BY DAVE HUTCHINSONStar-Ledger Staff In an apparent philosophical shift, the Jets are seriously considering drafting Vanderbilt quarterback Jay Cutler in the first round of the April draft should they trade down from the fourth pick overall, according to someone with knowledge of the team's thinking. With the hiring of new coach Eric Mangini, the Jets now seem willing to select a quarterback in the first round and groom him for the long term. Under former coach Herman Edwards, the Jets were believed to be planning to address other needs with their first-round pick and sign a veteran quarterback to compete with Chad Pennington in training camp. Pennington, 29, had his second rotator cuff surgery in an eight-month span last October and his career is in jeopardy. At the Senior Bowl in Mobile, Ala., several Jets team representatives and scouts, including general manager Terry Bradway, had a lengthy dinner with Cutler on Wednesday night. The Dolphins also have shown interest in Cutler. In addition to Cutler, the Jets have shown considerable interest in offensive tackles D'Brickashaw Ferguson (Virginia) and Eric Winston (Miami). If the Jets keep the fourth pick overall, they likely would take Ferguson, who is considered a franchise left tackle. If they trade down, they would try to select Cutler in the 10-to-15-pick range and pick up an offensive tackle such as Winston later in the first round. On many early draft boards, Cutler is ranked as the third best quarterback behind Matt Leinart (USC) and Vince Young (Texas). Cutler, 6-3, 223 pounds, was a one-man band for Vandy this season. He threw for 3,073 yards, 21 touchdowns and just nine interceptions while leading the Commodores to a 5-6 mark in the competitive Southeastern Conference. He has good mobility, rushing for 215 yards. Most teams view Cutler as a player who'll need at least a year on the bench behind a veteran. He has good arm strength, smarts, toughness and a strong work ethic, according to reports

 

[Bri]

Mawae is probably retiring leaving the center position up in the air so they either need to keep Kendall at center and acquire a new guard or draft/sign a new center.

Where did you read about Mawae retiring? - I've heard interviews with him talking about the new coaching staff and next year - He's done at least 2 interviews one on Sirius and one on WFAN where he's talked about the future of the Jets and the NFL with no mention of retiring..... He has a journal as well http://www.nflplayers.com/players/player.a...section=journal

I asked the same Q but maybe he missed it.You didn't hear this Mawae retirement talk either? Hmm weird

 

[Kiddnets]

No way Mawae is retiring - he may become a cap casualty unless he renegotiates his contract but is not retiring. Read the Cutler stuff this am - tough to tell if it is a smoke signal or not - TB may be looking to boost the hype and cash in. Whoever wrote the article is wrong though. No way the Jets can trade down to 10-15 to draft Cutler and then draft OL later in the 1st rd. I think only Denver has two #1s and they are both in the 20's.

 

[superbeck1]

It's not the sexy pick but Ferguson improves the team at three positions. QB, RB and OL.I do believe they trade out of the spot. I read the Packers love Lendale White and may be inclined to trade up from 5 to 4. Others may be inclined to trade up to 4 to get him as well.I am losing faith in our front office though.

 

[Bloom]

Great discussion everyone - some of the more important points brought up:Adrian Jones - good LT? miscast at RT?Fabini/Mawae - their future with the team?Jets LB corps - already good enough to pass on hawk?QB - big enough need to invest another big contract?RB - how much do they like the RBBC returning next year? Has williams distinguished himself enough to be the pick?trade down - then who do they go after?It would be awesome to have threads like this for the whole first as the draft gets closer. good work everyone

 

[Patoons]

What about Mawae retiring and Fabini getting cut?

Haven't heard anything about Mawae retiring either... Possible Fabini getting cut was the reason he said he'd take a lower salary and return in a back up position. I gotta say that Ferguson or Hawk are the two guys I'm pulling for (if Mangini is thinking of going to 3-4. Vilma and Hawk in the middle.... could be great. However, I agree with the poster above saying Robertson is not a NT, which could pose some problems). I would much rather Ferguson if he continues to impress as he has in the Senior Bowl practices. Could be a franchise tackle.

I think QB and RB should be lower on the list of priorities for the Jets. and with the number of free agents out there I don't see if as somewhere they should go with the #4 pick.

A pick I absolutely hate is Mario Williams or Kiwi with the #4. Bryan Thomas is finally maturing and I think is coming into a nice player who could be solid. Granted, he will not affect the game the same way Abraham has, but a healthy Abraham all year long really didn't lead to wins. We have so many top picks and money wrapped up in the line.

Also, a pick I would love at 2.04 would be Calhoun. Post 2nd, at some point, we better be looking for a future guard to sit behind Kendall and develop.

 

[cstu]

Mawae is probably retiring leaving the center position up in the air so they either need to keep Kendall at center and acquire a new guard or draft/sign a new center.

Where did you read about Mawae retiring? - I've heard interviews with him talking about the new coaching staff and next year - He's done at least 2 interviews one on Sirius and one on WFAN where he's talked about the future of the Jets and the NFL with no mention of retiring..... He has a journal as well http://www.nflplayers.com/players/player.a...section=journal

You're right about Mawae, I had read a report that said he might retire but it looks like he's coming back. The Jets want him to come back for less money though.

Six-time Pro Bowl C Kevin Mawae, who turns 35 this month, said he'll be 100 percent recovered from his torn left triceps injury by the end of the month and hopes to return next season.

"I have no reason to believe I won't be back," said Mawae, who has a $4.5 million cap number in 2006.

Jets website Jan 2:

There are 78 days until the Jets are scheduled to meet up again in March for mini-camp and when they do many things will have changed, including the health of a few of their key players. Chad Pennington, Martin, and Mawae all said Monday they expect to be fully recovered by the time the new season roles around and all expect to be at the top of their game.

From PFW:

Dec. 12, 2005

With starting quarterback the top priority for the Jets this offseason, we hear that they are disinclined to groom a rookie at the position in 2006. As a result, look for them to acquire a veteran like Drew Brees, Philip Rivers or Kerry Collins. The team would also like to bring back RB Curtis Martin at a reduced salary as a mentor to a rookie running back, with USC’s Reggie Bush topping the wish list. The team also will need to acquire a starting offensive tackle — either left or right, depending on where they want to play Adrian Jones. Center could also be in question, since we hear that the Jets want to move Pete Kendall back to guard. They are hopeful that Kevin Mawae, who will be 35 in January and coming off a torn triceps injury, will be able to come back at a reduced salary.

 

[Z-Dog]

As I see it, the Jets can only trade down in multiple steps. Nobody has tow high enough 1st-rounders to move to #4. The Jets could trade into the top 10, and then trade down again if they wish. I believe that Parcells did that back in 1996, when he passed on Orlando Pace, and traded down multiple times, eventually selecting Dorian Boose, an absolute bust who never even developed into a competent backup. Actually, if you look back, pretty much none of the extra picks Parcells traded his way into developed into anything.Well anyway, I don't believe the Cutler situation at all - actually, I think it signals a trade-down scenario. Bradway has consistently drafted opposite of his statements, and I suspect that Jets are reversing field on Cutler b/c they hope to entice one fo the teams from 6-10 to trade up. The Jets would net an extra 2nd-rounder, and still get one of the best prospects at their positions of need.

 

[Rovers]

Adrian Jones IS a ntural LT, and did pretty well until kendall moved from guard to center when Mawae got hurt. He looked bad at the RT spot. LT is not a position of need.... Jones is young, and will get better. he didn't give up all of those sacks to Jason Taylor.... in fact, one of them was a stunt where Kendall, playing out of position at center failed completely to pick him up. In addition, Martin, a very under rated pass blocker was out, and Jones was left on an island against Taylor, with a guard next to him that was worse than bad. As far as who the Jets might take.... very tough one to figure at this point, becuase even they don't know which direction they will go in. The Jets staff managed to get the much sought after Cutler to spend Wednesday night at a very long dinner meeting. Read into that what you may, but my take is they are also now looking at Cutler at 4. I see this: Cutler, Ferguson, Hawk, Williams the DE, or a trade down. In other words, all bets are off, and because of that, the Jets make doing any mock very dificult at this point.