NY Jets WRs (1 Viewer)

[jbird]

Looking to get more conversation on the NY Jets WRs, which are probably available in the majority of leagues. Admittedly I did little research on the Jets as I thought their offense would be offensive.

I'm still not sure about the Jets O and what to make of Geno Smith since week 1 was his first start, week 2 was rainy, wet and on a short week, and week 3 was against a Bills D missing 3 main players in their secondary but there has to be some value here. In PPR both Holmes and Hill have increased their scoring every week.

I'm thinking that Homes is the first waiver option on the team in PPR but Hill is not far behind. The only reason I think Homes>Hill is that he is a more polished receiver and Hill will rely more on the deep ball. Either could be a strong WR3 with upside.

Looking for some opinions. Thanks.

 

[JMJ]

Just posted this in the waiver wire thread and I'm a Jets homer:

I'm using my #2 WW on Santonio Holmes.

He played 3 full games last season (injured in week 4) and 2 full games this season (played very limited snaps week 1). His averages in those 5 games (and 5 games is damn near 33% of a season) are:

4.8 receptions

89.6 yards

.4 TD

For a season that would be:

77 rec

1,435 yards

6 TD

Marty Mornhiweg loves throwing the ball and Geno has the arm to make plays happen. You don't get -2 for Geno's interceptions, so Holmes could be a huge pickup from here forward.

 

[JMJ]

Hill will be more boom or bust.

Santonio will be more consistent for 50+ yards per week with a sprinkle of some big games.

 

[need2know]

Hill will be more boom or bust.

Santonio will be more consistent for 50+ yards per week with a sprinkle of some big games.

How do you rank the jets wrs to other ww options this week such as a denarious moore or golden tate?

 

[Benny227]

Great post! Just looking into Holmes myself?!?!

How would you all rank him compared to these other WW pickups this week?

E. Sanders, H. Douglas or D. Avery?

Thanks!

 

[Breesisdaman]

On waivers I am going for Sydney Rice , Santonio Holmes then Marlon Brown in that order.

 

[JMJ]

I would rank both Holmes and Hill above Moore and Tate.

I'm pretty sure you know what to expect from those two, and it's mostly mediocre. With the Jets players, with Geno's arm and Mornhiweg as OC, there is at least upside.

Marty is one hell of an OC and draws up numerous routes per game that allows his receivers to make a catch in space or make a play one-on-one. The Jets are not dumbing the offense down in any way to baby Geno in to things. They're putting it on the kid's shoulders and asking him to win games. He's going to make mistakes, he is going to commit turnovers, but the kid is not afraid to hang tall in the pocket, hold the ball till the last second to allow his guy to get open, and take a shot in the chest in order to deliver the ball. Marty throws the ball, and throws it some more (ask Eagles fans) and Geno should put up 230 or so passing yards per game based on accumulative attempts alone.

I'm saying this stuff definitively, but obviously they're just opinions based on previous facts. Hill and Holmes will be no more mediocre than other WW receivers at worst, but have significantly more upside and opportunity than those other guys (they'll be the #1 and #2 passing options in an offense that will throw the ball 30 times per game or so).

 

[JMJ]

Great post! Just looking into Holmes myself?!?!

How would you all rank him compared to these other WW pickups this week?

E. Sanders, H. Douglas or D. Avery?

Thanks!

Holmes, Sanders, Avery, Douglas in the order.

Holmes will be the #1 option in the Jets passing game which I know is taking some people a while to acknowledge/accept, is not awful. Geno is only going to get better and Holmes should be good for 4-5 catches per game, every game.

All those other guys are the #2 (or worse) options in their offense. A guy like Douglas you can even argue is 4th behind Jones, a healing Roddy, and Tony G.

 

[Benny227]

Great post! Just looking into Holmes myself?!?!

How would you all rank him compared to these other WW pickups this week?

E. Sanders, H. Douglas or D. Avery?

Thanks!

Holmes, Sanders, Avery, Douglas in the order.

Holmes will be the #1 option in the Jets passing game which I know is taking some people a while to acknowledge/accept, is not awful. Geno is only going to get better and Holmes should be good for 4-5 catches per game, every game.

All those other guys are the #2 (or worse) options in their offense. A guy like Douglas you can even argue is 4th behind Jones, a healing Roddy, and Tony G.

Great Stuff Thanks!

 

[tonyftony716]

I like Hill over Holmes. I Like that Hill has worked with Geno during the offseason. It shows. Holmes went up against a backup CB last week and although I think he will be involved i don't expect anything near that production. I like the upside of Hill more. My waiver pickup would be for my 5th WR and with that pick I would rather go with a high upside pick. With that sAid I don't like either WR for this week.

 

[jwp]

I like Hill over Holmes. I Like that Hill has worked with Geno during the offseason. It shows. Holmes went up against a backup CB last week and although I think he will be involved i don't expect anything near that production. I like the upside of Hill more. My waiver pickup would be for my 5th WR and with that pick I would rather go with a high upside pick. With that sAid I don't like either WR for this week.

I totally agree. Look, Holmes has been an above average receiver for awhile now but he's getting a little long in the tooth for a wr and he had that awful injury last year which had to slow his speed some. Meanwhile I watch Hill run routes, the way he glides effortlessly and with the number he wears...reminds me of, dare I say it, the great one Randy Moss.

 

[silentcoach]

The problem with Holmes is that his snap % is all over the place.

Let's forget week 1.

Week 2 = 90% and Week 3 = 77%

it is hard to maintain targets if you are going to be flirting with the 77% range (even though this is when he received 10 targets).

S.Hill has been over 90% all 3 games.

The positive? Holmes has 1 more target than Holmes in the last 2 games. However, Hill has been more explosive with his targets.

I do like Holmes though.

 

[JMJ]

Picking Hill's big weeks will be luck at best. While I can't argue with your logic (accepting a boom or bust player as your 5th WR) chances are, his big weeks will be on your bench. With him you run the risk of getting 3 catches for 31 yards the one or two times you actually need him.

Santonio on the other hand is one of the best route runners in the NFL and has amazing hands. He'll be the #1 option in this offense and I can see him going for 1,000+ yards. Furthermore, this is only the second time in Santonio's career he will be playing in a pass-first offense. Other than 2009 in Pittsburgh when Roethlisberger attempted 500+ passes and threw for 4,300+ yards, he has been in run dominated offenses his entire career playing for the Steelers and the Jets. In that one season when his QB attempted 500+ passes, he finished with 1,248 yards receiving. When you can run routes like he can, and your offense is committed to throwing the ball, you're going to consistently get your catches.

We can agree to disagree, but I think Santonio can go for 1,000+ now that I see how Marty is using Geno. If that hunch is correct, no boom or bust player (regardless of where he'll be on your roster) is worth more than a 1,000 yard receiver.

JMO of course.

 

[renesauz]

dropped Holmes in one league after week 1. Gong to try to pick him back up there and everywhere else, but I suspect it's one week too late.

 

[dagwood]

standard scoring - Hill is your guy

PPR - Holmes is your guy

 

[Shawn]

Glad more of you are starting to come around, on my 40man roster dynasty team, I stashed hill Holmes and kerley the day geno got drafted! Looks like it might pay off.

 

[TeeDub]

Hill has terrible hands. He's a blocking receiver still learning to be a good catcher

 

[SportsGuru311]

These Jets WR's will get better as the year goes on and the More that Geno Smith is allowed to open up the offense.

 

[MAC_32]

Clank

 

[Englishteacher]

How is the JET O Line nowadays? Can they protect Geno?

 

[oswizzle]

Each Game Hill's stats are getting better....and He gets red-zone looks from Geno Smith ...

Im down with Holmes to draw the #1 CB and leave Hill Open for the Bombs

 

[Rushmore]

Hill seems to be the upside play, and thats usually where I lean for better or for worse. His size/speed along with his progression this year makes him the choice for this year for me.

 

[yoadrian]

If you're desperate for 5 points take Holmes, if you want a potential breakout, take Hill. I'm banking on the later

 

[JMJ]

I'm a Jets fan, so I do not lose either way. Plus I was able to use my #2 WW on Holmes and still pick up Hill this morning as he went unclaimed.

With that being said, my money is still on Santonio. I really feel he'll break 1,000 yards this year where Hill will be a 800 yard or so guy. Both should only see 6-7 TDs at best.

 

[Insein]

Picked up Santonio this morning. Marty indeed loves to wing it and Holmes could be the main beneficiary.

 

[3nOut]

I think at this point in the season most of us are looking at either as fliers and/or bye week fill-ins. With that in mind, I don't think I am comfortable starting someone who is boom-or-bust unless i am a big underdog that week. With either one as my WR4, who I will rarely put into my starting lineup, I am also thinking who couold I use as a throw-in on possible trades in the future. To me, using all this criteria, I think I am leaning toward Holmes who will is the defacto WR1, will have more consistent numbers and has a higher profile name for trading purposes.

 

[rjv]

Hill will be more boom or bust.

Santonio will be more consistent for 50+ yards per week with a sprinkle of some big games.

As I do agree with this, Holmes concerns me more out of the two due to the fact Holmes has the history of being a knucklehead, and can shut down at any given day.

 

[mphtrilogy]

passed on both for this week, but really tempted to add s hill over s sholmes, if i only trusted his hands more.. he gets open downfield...

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Now that K Winslow got that Indian Summer game out of system in week one, it's nice to see the WR's on the Jets take flight. As a desperate Geno owner starting for A Rodgers bye week, I'm rooting for a big game out of all Jets recievers. Go team!

 

[NREC34]

I'm curious to hear what people think will happen with Tennessee coming up. What are we looking at with their defense. Would anyone play a Hill or Holmes instead of Fitz going against Revis for example?

 

[rjv]

I'm bias but IMO play Hill. Geno targets him more than any other receiver on the team even Holmes.

In the 1st 3 games:

Hill 23 targets

Holmes 19 targets

Winslow 14 targets

 

[TwinTurbo]

Holmes is the most polished WR the Jets have which is not saying much. But you could do worse for a WR3 at this point in the season.

 

[TwinTurbo]

I'm bias but IMO play Hill. Geno targets him more than any other receiver on the team even Holmes.

In the 1st 3 games:

Hill 23 targets

Holmes 19 targets

Winslow 14 targets

Holmes wasn't exactly ready to play in week 1.

Week 2 and 3 total targets slightly favor Holmes over Hill 16-14.

 

[rjv]

I'm bias but IMO play Hill. Geno targets him more than any other receiver on the team even Holmes.

In the 1st 3 games:

Hill 23 targets

Holmes 19 targets

Winslow 14 targets

Holmes wasn't exactly ready to play in week 1.

Week 2 and 3 total targets slightly favor Holmes over Hill 16-14.

Point taken but the fact still remains Geno loves to look for Hill and Holmes is still not 100% and a bonehead. He could shut down at any time.

 

[the spanker]

Couldn't help it. Picked up Hill off waivers today. This guy is playing like every snap and he's starting to put up nice numbers. Not bad at all for your #4 or #5 WR on your bench.

Everything I'm reading about him asserts he's oozing with raw talent and has the physical skills to take it to the next level.

I haven't watched him play but am looking forward to see what type of fish I reeled in today.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Couldn't help it. Picked up Hill off waivers today. This guy is playing like every snap and he's starting to put up nice numbers. Not bad at all for your #4 or #5 WR on your bench.

Everything I'm reading about him asserts he's oozing with raw talent and has the physical skills to take it to the next level.

I haven't watched him play but am looking forward to see what type of fish I reeled in today.

Hill is pretty good, him and Geno are developing nice chemistry

 

[rjv]

Couldn't help it. Picked up Hill off waivers today. This guy is playing like every snap and he's starting to put up nice numbers. Not bad at all for your #4 or #5 WR on your bench.

Everything I'm reading about him asserts he's oozing with raw talent and has the physical skills to take it to the next level.

I haven't watched him play but am looking forward to see what type of fish I reeled in today.

Hill is pretty good, him and Geno are developing nice chemistry

Absolutely, besides with Morningweg as OC he loves taking shots downfield