NYG backfield outlook (1 Viewer)

[sportsphysio]

Anyone hear anything about how the Giants backfield will shake out this year? Last year, Bradshaw was given the starting nod, but fumblitis appeared to bring Jacobs back into the mix more extensively later in the season. Is the Giants willingness during the offseason to let him go a sign that Jacobs is going to get a more even split of the workload?

Just curious, as Bradshaw is being ranked pretty close to last year's draft lists when he was named the starter, yet I haven't heard much about this situation so far.

 

[32 Counter Pass]

IMO Bradshaw is the best RB on the roster. I expect him to get 250+ touches (rush att and targets).

If Bradshaw misses substantial time I see Ware being a big beneficiary.

Jacobs could poach some gl and short yardage situations.

 

[netnalp]

PFF:

"Bradshaw will be the Giants featured back, with Brandon Jacobs cutting into the workload as a complement. Last season the two backs accounted for 88% of the Giants rushing attempts, splitting 421 carries about 65-35, with Jacobs stealing some goal line touches (Jacobs did not act as a touchdown vulture last year as Bradshaw did manage eight touchdowns) and Bradshaw on the field for passing downs. "

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/08/01/fantasy-reaction-ahmad-bradshaw-re-signs-with-the-giants/

Giants weren't trying to let Bradshaw go, they just weren't willing to overpay and give him a contract like DeAngelo Williams.

 

[pecorino]

any chance da'rel scott slips into the #3 role?

 

[netnalp]

any chance da'rel scott slips into the #3 role?

Possible, but camp reports from beat writers and posts on fan sites by people that have been going to practices seem to indicate that Andre Brown is a strong candidate for the #3 spot Everyone says that he looks faster than his pre-injury form. Ware wasn't used in garbage time last season, yet the Giants re-signed him last Feb., but Brown and Scott weren't on the team at that time. Right now I'd say Brown is the leading candidate for the #3 job. Da'Rel Scott has shown he has speed and some moves, but it sounds like he is still raw and needs time to learn the offense and improve his blocking.If Bradshaw were to get hurt, Jacobs would go as the main back and get spelled by whomever wins the #3 job.Be careful when reading Giant camp reports, they also have RB Charles Scott, and he stinks.

 

[32 Counter Pass]

any chance da'rel scott slips into the #3 role?

Possible, but camp reports from beat writers and posts on fan sites by people that have been going to practices seem to indicate that Andre Brown is a strong candidate for the #3 spot Everyone says that he looks faster than his pre-injury form. Ware wasn't used in garbage time last season, yet the Giants re-signed him last Feb., but Brown and Scott weren't on the team at that time. Right now I'd say Brown is the leading candidate for the #3 job. Da'Rel Scott has shown he has speed and some moves, but it sounds like he is still raw and needs time to learn the offense and improve his blocking.If Bradshaw were to get hurt, Jacobs would go as the main back and get spelled by whomever wins the #3 job.

Not sure how much to read into it, but Ware was running with the first team when Bradshaw was taking a breather, not Jacobs.

 

[netnalp]

any chance da'rel scott slips into the #3 role?

Possible, but camp reports from beat writers and posts on fan sites by people that have been going to practices seem to indicate that Andre Brown is a strong candidate for the #3 spot Everyone says that he looks faster than his pre-injury form. Ware wasn't used in garbage time last season, yet the Giants re-signed him last Feb., but Brown and Scott weren't on the team at that time. Right now I'd say Brown is the leading candidate for the #3 job. Da'Rel Scott has shown he has speed and some moves, but it sounds like he is still raw and needs time to learn the offense and improve his blocking.If Bradshaw were to get hurt, Jacobs would go as the main back and get spelled by whomever wins the #3 job.

Not sure how much to read into it, but Ware was running with the first team when Bradshaw was taking a breather, not Jacobs.

My thinking is that was to protect Jacobs, as he has a proclivity to get dinged up since defenders try to hit him below the knee to take him down. Ware also continued to play into the 3rd quarter so he's not the #2 guy.

 

[loose circuits]

so if Ware is #3 do they attempt to put Scott on the Practice Squad? Interested in how this is gonna break down

 

[OrangeCurtain]

Regarding the original question, I expect we'll see the exact same split that we saw last year. As a result I think Bradshaw's ADP is about what it was last year. To me he's one of the guys you can count on repeating last year's effort (unless injury, etc.). 88% of the touches between he and Jacobs, with whoever is #3 taking the rest.

Nothing major has changed on the offense other than Steve Smith leaving, and I think Manningham steps right into that spot without a hitch.

 

[netnalp]

so if Ware is #3 do they attempt to put Scott on the Practice Squad? Interested in how this is gonna break down

I don't know that Ware is the #3, he was re-signed to a new contract but that was in February, before the draft and Andre Brown coming back and looking really good in camp. The Giants lost Brown when they tried to put him on the practice squad and the Broncos signed him, don't know if they'll risk Scott the same way. Scott adds speed that the Giants team lacks. The Giants will probably roster 4 RBs. In camp Andre Brown's gotten more mention in camp notes than Ware so it seems Brown is outperforming Ware. Brown was seen limping during Friday's practice, no word on the extent of the injury. I think one of these two will go to the practice squad, since they are less likely to get taken by another team.At some point I think the upside and physical ability of the young guys will win out over Ware's experience with the system.

 

[ponchsox]

If tonight was any indication I am avoiding Bradshaw like the plague at his current ADP.

 

[swirvenirvin]

If tonight was any indication I am avoiding Bradshaw like the plague at his current ADP.

really?

 

[Todem]

If tonight was any indication I am avoiding Bradshaw like the plague at his current ADP.

I agree. He is not worth a 3rd rounder. No way. Too many other clear guys in that round either at QB, WR and yes even RB I would take.This is a full blown RBBC. No question. And Jacobs looks much better than last season.

 

[Chairshot]

Avoiding a 1200 yard rusher like the plague makes no sense.

There is on indication that the Giants will do anything different then they did last year. Bradshaw will get 250+ carries and clear 1000 yards easily. Jacobs will get about 150. Bradshaw will also be the one catching the passes as Jacobs can't catch.

I don't see any other back cutting into those carries unless there is an injury.

 

[ELI2TYREE]

The more pertinent question is will the OL be improved from last year? If so, both will have great years barring any injury. And I have both, in case of injury to either! Seeing as how thin the NYG Db's are now thanks to injuries, this team will have to control the ball and score a lot. That bodes well for both of them. I can see Coughlin reducing Bradshaw's touches slightly to keep him from getting banged up too much and increasing Jacobs', who has something to prove after losing starting job for most of year last year. If both remain healthy both will be valuable point scorers in this offense.

 

[Couch Potato]

Avoiding a 1200 yard rusher like the plague makes no sense.There is on indication that the Giants will do anything different then they did last year. Bradshaw will get 250+ carries and clear 1000 yards easily. Jacobs will get about 150. Bradshaw will also be the one catching the passes as Jacobs can't catch.I don't see any other back cutting into those carries unless there is an injury.

It's human nature for people to give undue weight to something they saw an hour ago, clouding what they know from 8 months ago. It's easy to be guilty of it and for that reason I pay zero attention to what established players do in preseason. There is a body of work to trust from when the bullets were flying for real instead, and I'm going to continue to remember that. Bradshaw's 5-15 doesn't mean he has suddenly forgotten how to run.Maybe Nicks' 1 catch for -1 yards should be cause for concern too? Nah.

 

[Todem]

Avoiding a 1200 yard rusher like the plague makes no sense.There is on indication that the Giants will do anything different then they did last year. Bradshaw will get 250+ carries and clear 1000 yards easily. Jacobs will get about 150. Bradshaw will also be the one catching the passes as Jacobs can't catch.I don't see any other back cutting into those carries unless there is an injury.

It's human nature for people to give undue weight to something they saw an hour ago, clouding what they know from 8 months ago. It's easy to be guilty of it and for that reason I pay zero attention to what established players do in preseason. There is a body of work to trust from when the bullets were flying for real instead, and I'm going to continue to remember that. Bradshaw's 5-15 doesn't mean he has suddenly forgotten how to run.Maybe Nicks' 1 catch for -1 yards should be cause for concern too? Nah.

I could care less about pre-season. What I did get from last night though is Jacobs will cut into Bradshaws production a little more than what his ADP suggests.I just see more upside in the 3rd round at other positions (Elite QB, top WR potential and a couple of other RB breakout types) than taking Bradshaw.I drafted Bradshaw last year in my redraft.....in the 5th round. I would not use more than a 4th this year.It has nothing to do with 5-15It has to do with points,points, points. I feel strongly I will get more points from many other players in the third round which is Bradshaw's current ADP.Bradshaw is a heck of a player. So go ahead...take him in the third if you feel he is worth a 3rd rounder. I will pass him in the third.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

If tonight was any indication I am avoiding Bradshaw like the plague at his current ADP.

really?

Not sure you can base everything off of one preseason game. It did seem that Bradsahw took a few handoffs where he was met immediately in the backfield, while Jacobs had some room to run when he got the ball. I do agree that a third round ADP may be too high, but I still think Bradshaw is legit and one preseason game doesn't change that.

 

[Sabertooth]

Wasn't Jacobs asked to take a pay cut this past offseason? Doesn't sound like something a player would do if his workload was set to increase.

 

[netnalp]

Wasn't Jacobs asked to take a pay cut this past offseason? Doesn't sound like something a player would do if his workload was set to increase.

He restructured, the total value of the contract is the same, the $ was moved around so it impacts the cap differently. Jacobs was given more as a bonus which is distributed across the length of the contract for cap calculations. The team lowered his total salary by the amount of the bonus he got.Salary can be used to argue the other way. Bradshaw's new contract pays him less than what Jacobs contract pays. Despite that I still think the trend continues that the distribution for carries is 2-1 in favor of Bradshaw. The Giants usually alternate which back starts a series and that back usually gets the bulk of the carries. I guess it's to see who the hot hand is, based on how the distribution was last year, Bradshaw is usually the hot hand.Bradshaw is the more effective receiver and pass blocker (PFF's #1 pass blocking RB) than Jacobs, so that helps give him more opportunities.

 

[Mystery Achiever]

Wasn't Jacobs asked to take a pay cut this past offseason? Doesn't sound like something a player would do if his workload was set to increase.

He restructured, the total value of the contract is the same, the $ was moved around so it impacts the cap differently. Jacobs was given more as a bonus which is distributed across the length of the contract for cap calculations. The team lowered his total salary by the amount of the bonus he got.

Reports I've heard (and I think it was mentioned in the game last night) were that Jacobs offered this himself to help keep Bradshaw on the team.