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[Max Power]

Mainly looking at the FF aspect of this question.

Basically from the outside looking in, I see an Average QB, an Average RB, a RB2 who could be moving on, A WR#1 with issues and a WR#2 that is getting up there in years.

Rex's post game comments lead me to believe there will be some major changes. So where will the change be made? Holmes did just sign a big contract with them, but he seems to be a big part of the problem.

 

[pittstownkiller]

#1 QB; #2 QB; #3 QB; #4 OC; #5 QB; #6 pass-rush.

Not FF answers but they are not going to be good until they address the above.

 

[TS Garp]

Do you really see them moving on from Sanchez? I'd be very surprised. Seems like new OC is their biggest need. I've heard that Norv Turner could end up there. Say what you will about him as a head coach, but he's a great offensive mind and mentored Rivers very well. Could be a really nice fit for Sanchez.

 

[Max Power]

Do you really see them moving on from Sanchez? I'd be very surprised. Seems like new OC is their biggest need. I've heard that Norv Turner could end up there. Say what you will about him as a head coach, but he's a great offensive mind and mentored Rivers very well. Could be a really nice fit for Sanchez.

I was on the fence about the Jets moving on from him, but then I read this quote from Roto...

Sanchez continues to struggle with his decision-making and all three of the interceptions came on checkdowns. The Jets coaching staff has offered support for Sanchez as a franchise quarterback, but his numbers this season warrant strong reconsideration. The 25-year-old grades out as the 37th ranked quarterback by Pro Football Focus. Jan 1 - 6:28 PM

I have no idea how they do the rankings, but this can't be good.

 

[Tau837]

I think they probably should move on from Sanchez if they have a good opportunity to do so, but I don't think they will.

With better QB play, I think Holmes, Burress, Keller is a solid set of targets. But they need a stronger running game. 3.8 ypc is not good enough.

I have read they will change the offensive coaching staff, and I heard Norv Turner is a potential candidate. I think hiring him as OC would be a good move. He would likely help improve both the QB play and the running game, based on his history.

 

[kardplayer]

Would Norv Turner really work for Rex? Especially after their words this season when Rex said he would have won titles if he was the head coach of the Chargers?

 

[pittstownkiller]

The NY media, who are almost all Jet fans, have blown so much smoke up Sanchez's ###, since he was a rookie, he should look like a chimney but they have soured on him and it will be ugly around here for the next few weeks. I also think that Rex has lost faith in him. I would be surprised if he goes into camp as the starter without others brought in to compete for the job.

 

[Steed]

Peyton Manning will be the center of a lot of Jets speculation.

 

[Fensalk]

The NY media, who are almost all Jet fans, have blown so much smoke up Sanchez's ###, since he was a rookie, he should look like a chimney but they have soured on him and it will be ugly around here for the next few weeks. I also think that Rex has lost faith in him. I would be surprised if he goes into camp as the starter without others brought in to compete for the job.

I was listening to a New York reporter discuss Sanchez on the radio last week. He asked what he thought of the guy and I've ever heard a reporter sound more pained than when he tried to contort his view to reach the point where he said he thought Sanchez was an above average QB in the NFL. It was comical.

 

[SacramentoBob]

They should trade for this year's MVP, Peyton Manning.

 

[qimqam]

Mainly looking at the FF aspect of this question. Basically from the outside looking in, I see an Average QB, an Average RB, a RB2 who could be moving on, A WR#1 with issues and a WR#2 that is getting up there in years. Rex's post game comments lead me to believe there will be some major changes. So where will the change be made? Holmes did just sign a big contract with them, but he seems to be a big part of the problem.

Maybe Rex will shut his fat trap next year

 

[pittstownkiller]

The NY media, who are almost all Jet fans, have blown so much smoke up Sanchez's ###, since he was a rookie, he should look like a chimney but they have soured on him and it will be ugly around here for the next few weeks. I also think that Rex has lost faith in him. I would be surprised if he goes into camp as the starter without others brought in to compete for the job.

I was listening to a New York reporter discuss Sanchez on the radio last week. He asked what he thought of the guy and I've ever heard a reporter sound more pained than when he tried to contort his view to reach the point where he said he thought Sanchez was an above average QB in the NFL. It was comical.

I'm pretty sure I heard this broadcast, it was comical. I am also pretty sure that this guy will be throwing Sanchez under the bus this week. The problem with most Jet fans is they over-value marginal talents; it is the same curse that NY Met fans have.

 

[jwb]

There's too much invested in Sanchez - Schotty will go before Sanchez does.

I would love to see a new OC. A new OC could help both Sanchez and Greene. I think both can be good players. Holmes too - Holmes is childish, but he's clearly frustrated w/ Schott, and would probably benefit from someone else. I would also resign Cotchery if he's available after the season. If anything, he's a solid 3rd down guy, and he's shown in the last few weeks that he has something left.

DL still needs some improvement, and goodness, can we cover the middle of the field? Please?

 

[Steed]

I think they're happy enough with Kerley to not bring back Cotch.

 

[Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub]

Another Manning will be in NY in 2012.

And Wayne will come with him.

 

[pittstownkiller]

There's too much invested in Sanchez - Schotty will go before Sanchez does. I would love to see a new OC. A new OC could help both Sanchez and Greene. I think both can be good players. Holmes too - Holmes is childish, but he's clearly frustrated w/ Schott, and would probably benefit from someone else. I would also resign Cotchery if he's available after the season. If anything, he's a solid 3rd down guy, and he's shown in the last few weeks that he has something left.DL still needs some improvement, and goodness, can we cover the middle of the field? Please?

Too much invested in Sanchez, the guy is on his way to becoming a major bust; how about how much they have invested in the rest of the team. Cotchery, really, thats the missing piece. The above post is exactly what I was talking about Jet fans over-valuing marginal talent.

 

[Dr. Gobbler]

Schotty is shoddy! Get rid of him and bring in someone with some imagination. Address WR and O-Line. Get a back-up QB who isn't 60 years old. If that doesn't solve the problem next year then go after a QB in the draft.

 

[The Dude]

Manning as starting Qb

 

[Sweet Love]

Personally, I think there will be a lot of jockeying between the Jets and Phins for Flynn. Sanchez really is just brutal. I thought people were overly harsh on him at the beginning of the year, but he actually regressed in the second half of the season from his first half regression. I am not sure what is said during meetings, but it seems as though someone is telling him they will dock $1 million from his salary if he takes a sack. While I know the stat is the most inflated stat in all of football, there really is no difference if the QB gets sacked for a 3 yards loss, versus a RB getting stuffed for a 3 yard loss...yet in Sanchez's mind, it seems as though a 3 yard sack loss is equivalent to a pick 6.

The team literally has zero depth beyond its starters. One day, someone will write an article about how Mangini through his trades his first year in CLE with the Jets, reduced their window from 5 years to 2 years. I am a Jets fan; make a trek up from NC each year to catch a game and haven't been this concerned about the future of the team since the early 90s. They are set to win now, yet the one bright spot I took away from today's game was Kerley...eeek!!

 

[jwb]

There's too much invested in Sanchez - Schotty will go before Sanchez does.

I would love to see a new OC. A new OC could help both Sanchez and Greene. I think both can be good players. Holmes too - Holmes is childish, but he's clearly frustrated w/ Schott, and would probably benefit from someone else. I would also resign Cotchery if he's available after the season. If anything, he's a solid 3rd down guy, and he's shown in the last few weeks that he has something left.

DL still needs some improvement, and goodness, can we cover the middle of the field? Please?

Too much invested in Sanchez, the guy is on his way to becoming a major bust; how about how much they have invested in the rest of the team. Cotchery, really, thats the missing piece. The above post is exactly what I was talking about Jet fans over-valuing marginal talent.

*shrug*Cotchery is marginal - he would also probably help Sanchez. But whatever, it's a tiny (and admittedly sentimental) thing. I like Kerley, too. He was a nice find.

We'll have to agree to disagree on Sanchez - I think he's worth salvaging. If he fails w/ another OC, then yea, he's a bust. Peyton would be wonderful for a year or so. I don't think that's happening, though.

ETA - agree w/ the previous poster. They are a win-now team... not a very good one, either. But I think you have to keep taking shots w/ this group - at least one more. I think a new OC who can install some confidence would go a looong way.

 

[QuizGuy66]

There won't be a trade for Peyton. That's quite certain. The Colts owe him a $28m bonus that is payable before they will be able to trade him. If they pay him that, they'll keep him, at least for a year. It'll be possible that the Jets could go for him if he gets cut, which is at least a possibility. If Eli were to hit the market, though, the Jets would not be his only option. Is the O-line good enough is gonna be a question Peyton would ask before signing on. 38 sacks allowed might be too many for him (perhaps not). There are cap implications as well for both the Colts and the Jets if they each jettison their respective quarterbacks - I don't know what those are but they could be a factor.

Pretty clear that Schotty2 should go. Whether Norv would be interested (and again like Peyton, I'm sure Norv would have more than one option for an OC job) after what Rex said is debatable. I don't know if they have any other history and of course nobody knows what private conversation may have taken place after that.

The Holmes situation has to be a major worry. That's a huge contract. If they cut him it's a big cap hit that will hamper other moves. And there's the challenge of replacing him with a #1 WR. I do think Kerley's got the 3 sewn up. Plax should be better in his 2nd year back you would think.

Greene is a question mark IMO. For what he is (a 3rd round pick) he's been pretty good. I think there's expectations on him that are perhaps a little above his talent. I think he's still their best bet as a lead back. Assuming LT2 retires that complementary back is another hole.

Won't be a boring offseason, that's for sure.

-QG

 

[Max Power]

There won't be a trade for Peyton. That's quite certain. The Colts owe him a $28m bonus that is payable before they will be able to trade him. If they pay him that, they'll keep him, at least for a year. It'll be possible that the Jets could go for him if he gets cut, which is at least a possibility. If Eli were to hit the market, though, the Jets would not be his only option. Is the O-line good enough is gonna be a question Peyton would ask before signing on. 38 sacks allowed might be too many for him (perhaps not). There are cap implications as well for both the Colts and the Jets if they each jettison their respective quarterbacks - I don't know what those are but they could be a factor.Pretty clear that Schotty2 should go. Whether Norv would be interested (and again like Peyton, I'm sure Norv would have more than one option for an OC job) after what Rex said is debatable. I don't know if they have any other history and of course nobody knows what private conversation may have taken place after that.The Holmes situation has to be a major worry. That's a huge contract. If they cut him it's a big cap hit that will hamper other moves. And there's the challenge of replacing him with a #1 WR. I do think Kerley's got the 3 sewn up. Plax should be better in his 2nd year back you would think.Greene is a question mark IMO. For what he is (a 3rd round pick) he's been pretty good. I think there's expectations on him that are perhaps a little above his talent. I think he's still their best bet as a lead back. Assuming LT2 retires that complementary back is another hole.Won't be a boring offseason, that's for sure.-QG

I'm worried about Holmes as well. It seems like his relationship with teammates has soured and I'm not sure how repairable it is. I'd think the Jets could trade him if they wanted him gone, but again thats now a big hole to fill at WR.

 

[Zegras11]

With better QB play, I think Holmes, Burress, Keller is a solid set of targets. But they need a stronger running game. 3.8 ypc is not good enough.

Burress is old and slow.Holmes sucked all year long. He only catches the 3-step slant and the comeback pass when Sanchez is in a mad scramble and Holmes improvises a little bit. You never see Holmes do the routes AND GET OPEN on the routes you'd expect him to be open on. I think he's lazy and that's why he was finally benched today.Sanchez needs work for sure. But he's getting little help from Holmes and an O-LINE that has left him scrambling/hurried on just about every pass play all year.Keller is solid, but he's 2nd/3rd tier TE.

 

[QuizGuy66]

I'm worried about Holmes as well. It seems like his relationship with teammates has soured and I'm not sure how repairable it is. I'd think the Jets could trade him if they wanted him gone, but again thats now a big hole to fill at WR.

If he's a locker room problem, though, what do you think the Jets could expect to get back? And that still would accelerate the cap hit, no?-QG

 

[Zegras11]

People keep saying Sanchez has regressed.

12-20

17-13

26-18

is that regressing?

He had so little help this year. Holmes sucked. OLine sucked. RB's sucked. How could he possibly do better than 26-18 and 6 rushing TD's.

 

[Max Power]

I'm worried about Holmes as well. It seems like his relationship with teammates has soured and I'm not sure how repairable it is. I'd think the Jets could trade him if they wanted him gone, but again thats now a big hole to fill at WR.

If he's a locker room problem, though, what do you think the Jets could expect to get back? And that still would accelerate the cap hit, no?-QG

I'd assume he could for a late round pick. We didn't hear anything about him being an issue when he was happy and productive. Maybe some team thinks a change of location might do him some good. Or you always have teams like Oakland or Cincy who tend to overlook personalities for talent. From my understanding, the cap hit comes either way. Not sure if the amounts are the same though.

 

[QuizGuy66]

I'm worried about Holmes as well. It seems like his relationship with teammates has soured and I'm not sure how repairable it is. I'd think the Jets could trade him if they wanted him gone, but again thats now a big hole to fill at WR.

If he's a locker room problem, though, what do you think the Jets could expect to get back? And that still would accelerate the cap hit, no?-QG

I'd assume he could for a late round pick. We didn't hear anything about him being an issue when he was happy and productive. Maybe some team thinks a change of location might do him some good. Or you always have teams like Oakland or Cincy who tend to overlook personalities for talent. From my understanding, the cap hit comes either way. Not sure if the amounts are the same though.

I can assure that my Bengals would neither need nor want him. Oakland has a good young crop of WRs as well. (Btw, the Jets clearly are in the convo about personality/history with talent.) So I guess he has, what $20m left over 4 years? Not sure who would want that. I think the cap hit is the same either way - the debate would be whether you'd want to keep him rather than take the cut, it's a tough call.-QG

 

[Crash Davis]

Since the OP was asking for ff purposes and not NFL reasons, ill ask if any of you realize Sanchez accounted for 32 tds and was the number 10 fantasy qb in many formats this year?

 

[cubbie5150]

Since the OP was asking for ff purposes and not NFL reasons, ill ask if any of you realize Sanchez accounted for 32 tds and was the number 10 fantasy qb in many formats this year?

Yep, I realize that. Jets coaching staff went out of its way to prop up Sanchise's numbers. Obviously, for FF purposes, we don't necessarily care, other than to worry whether that's sustainable if/when Shotty is gone

 

[AmosMoses]

With better QB play, I think Holmes, Burress, Keller is a solid set of targets. But they need a stronger running game. 3.8 ypc is not good enough.

Burress is old and slow.Holmes sucked all year long. He only catches the 3-step slant and the comeback pass when Sanchez is in a mad scramble and Holmes improvises a little bit. You never see Holmes do the routes AND GET OPEN on the routes you'd expect him to be open on. I think he's lazy and that's why he was finally benched today.Sanchez needs work for sure. But he's getting little help from Holmes and an O-LINE that has left him scrambling/hurried on just about every pass play all year.Keller is solid, but he's 2nd/3rd tier TE.

I don't think Santonio was benched. He quit.Anyway, Schottenheimer has a big contract, do the Jets want to pay him to get rid of him? It's a shame the Jets were so close to the Super Bowl, only to implode. Now this team needs pass rushers, another CB, A starting Safety that can stay healthy, a few OL that can pass block and a starting caliber RB. That sounds like multiple drafts to me.

 

[ROCKET]

This team is going nowhere fast. They are stuck with a captain with a huge contract, pathetic attitude and work ethic. Bart Scott is old and slow and adds another big cap hit along with a horrible offensive line. The coach is a pr nightmare and has made some of the worst decisions both on and off the field (see Holmes as captain). Sanchez, what a laughing stock. If they think this guy is somehow going to reincarnate with a new OC they are fooling themselves. Last but not least you have Tanny, a horrible GM who's drafted the likes of Vlad Ducasse, Gholston and traded for malcontents like Holmes. Aside from his squirrel finding a nut in Revis and Mangold his drafting has been pathetic. I don't see this team doing anything anytime soon given their leadership, personal and cap situation. I'm sure the media will continue to try and make them relevant and the Pepsi commercials will go on though.

 

[AmosMoses]

This team is going nowhere fast. They are stuck with a captain with a huge contract, pathetic attitude and work ethic. Bart Scott is old and slow and adds another big cap hit along with a horrible offensive line. The coach is a pr nightmare and has made some of the worst decisions both on and off the field (see Holmes as captain). Sanchez, what a laughing stock. If they think this guy is somehow going to reincarnate with a new OC they are fooling themselves. Last but not least you have Tanny, a horrible GM who's drafted the likes of Vlad Ducasse, Gholston and traded for malcontents like Holmes. Aside from his squirrel finding a nut in Revis and Mangold his drafting has been pathetic. I don't see this team doing anything anytime soon given their leadership, personal and cap situation. I'm sure the media will continue to try and make them relevant and the Pepsi commercials will go on though.

I don't know how much credit he can even get for Mangold and Revis. Those two were as obvious picks as they got and both players should have gone higher.

 

[ROCKET]

This team is going nowhere fast. They are stuck with a captain with a huge contract, pathetic attitude and work ethic. Bart Scott is old and slow and adds another big cap hit along with a horrible offensive line. The coach is a pr nightmare and has made some of the worst decisions both on and off the field (see Holmes as captain). Sanchez, what a laughing stock. If they think this guy is somehow going to reincarnate with a new OC they are fooling themselves. Last but not least you have Tanny, a horrible GM who's drafted the likes of Vlad Ducasse, Gholston and traded for malcontents like Holmes. Aside from his squirrel finding a nut in Revis and Mangold his drafting has been pathetic. I don't see this team doing anything anytime soon given their leadership, personal and cap situation. I'm sure the media will continue to try and make them relevant and the Pepsi commercials will go on though.

I don't know how much credit he can even get for Mangold and Revis. Those two were as obvious picks as they got and both players should have gone higher.

Hindsight is 20/20, I'll give him credit for those picks. He traded up for Revis which was one of the best draft moves of the last decade IMO. I agree Mangold should have gone higher but he still had the conviction to take him there after already taking OL (Ferguson) earlier in round 1. On the other hand the Sanchez move was one of the worst deals of the last decade IMO. I still don't see why his stock rose so fast before the draft as I honestly thought the kid would be a bust. If I were a GM I would never draft a USC QB. Maybe Barkley will buck the trend but I'd look elsewhere.

 

[grateful zed]

i still cant believe they didnt go after TO. he would have made a difference and they would be in the playoff now.

 

[pittstownkiller]

i still cant believe they didnt go after TO. he would have made a difference and they would be in the playoff now.

Assuming TO had anything left; between Sanchez's crappy play and Sanchez having no time because of a crappy o-line, I think TO would of quit before Holmes.

 

[Reaper]

Since the OP was asking for ff purposes and not NFL reasons, ill ask if any of you realize Sanchez accounted for 32 tds and was the number 10 fantasy qb in many formats this year?

Fact is, the NFL has a few elite teams and then the rest and the Jets are and have been among the rest and will continue to be once the smoke clears and changes are made. The margin is so slim that the Stupid Penalties alone probably meant playoffs or none this season, Disaster or punchers chance like the past 2 years. Not that they won't make big changes now which IMO is good.And while I stated I was never on the Sanchez bandwagon, There are about 10 obvious reasons why he couldn't succeed this year. So, excuses or not - we will list and discuss them and how they can be fixed in the Jets thread. Everyone knows Sanchez needs a Run game, protection, a top Defense and consistent options - He got NONE! Overall, I think Rex's stated GOAL as the Superbowl is stretched a little bit by the media to come on as a guarantee - he certainly didn't guarantee SB the 1st year when he said "eventually" we will meet the President. Ask him at the start of next year if he plans on winning the SB? OF COURSE HE ####NG Does, every team should!!!!! He's just not politically correct about it while twisting words and hiding what he really means - he tells it like it is and feeds the media hounds.As Ray Lucas said last night, Parcells often told his players they were going to the Super Bowl - All coaches and franchises have to have that attitude - Rex states it to the media so, everyone goes Ga - Ga, to me, that means very little. ho freaking hum.But, this team is exactly what I stated it was most of the season in the Jets thread.... And Bottom Line - I think it's good that Rex got pie in his face and will now have to make some big changes and come back fighting... He made the Championship game with a rookie QB and some bit players... IMO, he comes back stronger and with a Pass rush. I'm glad he's being tested now to Re-Build a defense. I think the "Mad Scientist" works his tail off and comes back with a better team next year.

 

[TLEF316]

From a pure fantasy stand point, Sanchez was better this year. I used to think the problems were 80% Schottenheimer 20% sanchez. Over the last few weeks, I've moved more towards a 50/50. I'm willing to give him 1 more year under a competent OC.

In an ideal world, Schotty gets canned in about an hour. (press conference at 1:30. I'm making pop corn) They're saying that they aren't going to fire him right away because it ruins his chances at a HC job (which would save the team a lot of money).

Overall, here's what the Jets are looking at....

QB- As of now, Sanchez stinks. We know this. But he's going to get a year under the new OC to see what he has. McElroy is a solid long terms project as a 2, but the Jets will need to bring in a capable back up for next year

FB- John Connor- No issues here.

RB- Greene improved as the year went on. LT is stil a capable player, but i wouldn't be sad to see him let go. McKnight stays around because of his abilities in the return game and potential as a 3rd down type back. Haven't seen enough of Powell to make an assessment. I'd LOVE to see the jets draft a big time bell cow kind of back, but the team has bigger needs.

WR- Burress is gone. Holmes should be, but they can't cut him. (I'll spare you the details, but cutting him now would be a cap nightmare). If they can get a 3rd or even a 4th rounder, I'd probably do it. The guy is a cancer). Love Kerley's potential as a slot guy. Turner is a serviceable 4 I suppose.

TE- Keller is still above average IMO. (but not much). Cumberland looked pretty good up until his injury. Matt Mulligan, the walking penalty, is gone ASAP.

O-line. Ferguson and Mangold are studs. Moore is still a very good player. Slausen is serviceable and still developing, but nothing special. Hunter is a disaster at RT and needs to be gone. Ducasse isn't dead yet, but if we don't see significant improvement after a full off-season, he moves into the bust column. Rob Turner was hurt all year, but he's a solid back up

D-Line- Wilkerson showed huge potential as a rookie. Love the kid. Ellis never really got going. Pouha is older but needs to be re-signed. Devito is an underrated space eater. The rest of the group are JAG's.

LB- Harris is a stud. Westerman is an ok situational pass rusher, as is Maybin. Pace was invisible most of the year. Bart Scott isn't done yet, but he's overpaid. Unfortunately, Scott and Pace are both fully guaranteed for next year (they were re-structured during the Aso pursuit) , so they're sticking around for 1 more go.

CB- Revis is Revis. Cromartie was inconsistent but is still a very good 2. Wilson seemed to regress a little as the season went on, but was still miles better than last season. Great long term potential. The rest are JAG's.

S- total makeover coming here. Leonhard and Smith are both gone and Pool is just average. No developmental guys on the roster.

ST's- both kicker and punter are serviceable. McKnight is a good KR. Kerley has good potential as a PR, but he may lose this responsibility as he develops as a receiver.

Excluding Sanchez (who won't be replaced until next year if he flounders again), the Jets biggest issues are RT, S, WR and a stud pass rusher. I think RT gets addressed in free agency. (although i have no idea who is available yet). I'm fairly confident that the jets first rounder will be a WR or an OLB.

 

[QuizGuy66]

Francesca on right now

-QG

 

[DCThunder]

Francesca on right now -QG

But he's talking Yankees off season, right?

 

[TLEF316]

Schotty back for now, but they obviously dont want to sabotage him for the Jags job. Plus, they have to pay him if they fire him.

If he doesn't get a HC job, I have to imagine he gets canned in a few weeks.

 

[Reaper]

Excluding Sanchez (who won't be replaced until next year if he flounders again), the Jets biggest issues are RT, S, WR and a stud pass rusher. I think RT gets addressed in free agency. (although i have no idea who is available yet). I'm fairly confident that the jets first rounder will be a WR or an OLB.

Ducasse needs to be a GUARD..... He needs to stick with one position and master it. Supposedly his raw talent is insane which leaves me to believe his head is near empty - that said he's probably one of the players who really needed a full offseason last year.If they can add a real good RT and leave Hunter, Ducasse and Turner as depth it could be ok.... Maybe add a Veteran RT and then they need to draft another young guy.Overall Callahan dissapointed me - I thought he was one of those OL coaches you see in the NFL that doesn't miss a beat, finds talent and coaches it up. What's with the Penalties!!!!!???????Again, as someone who back before draft day did NOT want Sanchez... How can people say he's a QB that needs a run game, good defense and consistent targets on a mistake free team think he got ANY support????Penalties, dropped balls, no protection and a Defense that folded is what Sanchez got and could Holmes have been any more suppostive? Sheesh..... I was against Sanchez before anyone and now I actually feel for him.

 

[TLEF316]

Excluding Sanchez (who won't be replaced until next year if he flounders again), the Jets biggest issues are RT, S, WR and a stud pass rusher. I think RT gets addressed in free agency. (although i have no idea who is available yet). I'm fairly confident that the jets first rounder will be a WR or an OLB.

Ducasse needs to be a GUARD..... He needs to stick with one position and master it. Supposedly his raw talent is insane which leaves me to believe his head is near empty - that said he's probably one of the players who really needed a full offseason last year.If they can add a real good RT and leave Hunter, Ducasse and Turner as depth it could be ok.... Maybe add a Veteran RT and then they need to draft another young guy.Overall Callahan dissapointed me - I thought he was one of those OL coaches you see in the NFL that doesn't miss a beat, finds talent and coaches it up. What's with the Penalties!!!!!???????Again, as someone who back before draft day did NOT want Sanchez... How can people say he's a QB that needs a run game, good defense and consistent targets on a mistake free team think he got ANY support????Penalties, dropped balls, no protection and a Defense that folded is what Sanchez got and could Holmes have been any more suppostive? Sheesh..... I was against Sanchez before anyone and now I actually feel for him.

I can't blame a coach for false starts and holding penalties. Most holding calls are guys trying to cover themselves when they get beat. That's poor execution, not poor coaching. Same thing with false starts. That's just a mental lapse. If an O-line shows poor technique, I'll put that on the coach. But I think stupid penalties are just that, signs of stupidity. I'll take Callahan as OC right now, no questions asked.

 

[RavenLunatic]

Maybe the Ravens knew what they were doing when thry chose Harbaugh over Rex...

 

[RavenLunatic]

Maybe the Ravens knew what they were doing when they chose Harbaugh over Rex...

 

[Ghost Rider]

People keep saying Sanchez has regressed.12-2017-1326-18is that regressing?He had so little help this year. Holmes sucked. OLine sucked. RB's sucked. How could he possibly do better than 26-18 and 6 rushing TD's.

True. I think the thing is that the Jets running game and defense both weren't nearly as dominant, and more was expected of Sanchez, and he didn't deliver, despite the increase in overall numbers.

i still cant believe they didnt go after TO. he would have made a difference and they would be in the playoff now.

Assuming TO had anything left; between Sanchez's crappy play and Sanchez having no time because of a crappy o-line, I think TO would of quit before Holmes.

Moss was the quitter, not Owens.

 

[pittstownkiller]

People keep saying Sanchez has regressed.12-2017-1326-18is that regressing?He had so little help this year. Holmes sucked. OLine sucked. RB's sucked. How could he possibly do better than 26-18 and 6 rushing TD's.

True. I think the thing is that the Jets running game and defense both weren't nearly as dominant, and more was expected of Sanchez, and he didn't deliver, despite the increase in overall numbers.

i still cant believe they didnt go after TO. he would have made a difference and they would be in the playoff now.

Assuming TO had anything left; between Sanchez's crappy play and Sanchez having no time because of a crappy o-line, I think TO would of quit before Holmes.

Moss was the quitter, not Owens.

TO certainly seemed to lay down in BUF when it started to go south.

 

[Patoons]

There's too much invested in Sanchez - Schotty will go before Sanchez does. I would love to see a new OC. A new OC could help both Sanchez and Greene. I think both can be good players. Holmes too - Holmes is childish, but he's clearly frustrated w/ Schott, and would probably benefit from someone else. I would also resign Cotchery if he's available after the season. If anything, he's a solid 3rd down guy, and he's shown in the last few weeks that he has something left.DL still needs some improvement, and goodness, can we cover the middle of the field? Please?

Schotty should go. He should have been gone from last year's playoff play calling. I was hoping for it then and think it's a definite now.Sanchez isn't going to be a stud, but I agree... he can certainly be serviceable/above average. The offense needs a change and to be a bit more aggressive down the field. There was very few vertical attempts from this team all season with one of the best vertical players on the outside. Painful. Sanchez needs a fresh OC who can hopefully bring forward some strengths from this kid.

 

[Max Power]

People keep saying Sanchez has regressed.12-2017-1326-18is that regressing?He had so little help this year. Holmes sucked. OLine sucked. RB's sucked. How could he possibly do better than 26-18 and 6 rushing TD's.

Regressed probably isn't the right term, but he showed no improvement this year. I think he proved that he is an average QB in the NFL. He isn't going to take a team to the next level. Expectations are high when you are a top draft pick. I just don't see him living up to his selection. In my eyes he joins the Jason Campbell, Kyle Orton, Matt Cassell and Alex Smith tier QBs in this league. I think its a cop out to blame Holmes for this. The guy had career lows in Rec and Yrds. Probably targets as well (I dont have that stat handy). You can see from his track record the guy can play in the NFL. Its not like he forgot how to play. Its Sanchez.

 

[Max Power]

Coach Rex Ryan said Monday that he fully expects Santonio Holmes back with the Jets in 2012.Holmes' 2012 salary of $7.75 million is fully guaranteed, so it would be awfully costly to cut ties now. The Jets have to just keep their fingers crossed that he changes his approach. Ryan said the team will eliminate captaincy going forward. "There's a lot of positive things about Santonio," said Ryan. "I believe Santonio will be back next year. ... I think I made a huge mistake (naming captains)." Teammates accused Holmes of quitting and being a locker room cancer in 2011. He's still the Jets' most talented offensive player. Jan 2 - 3:50 PMSource: Manish Mehta on Twitter

 

[Sabertooth]

Mainly looking at the FF aspect of this question. Basically from the outside looking in, I see an Average QB, an Average RB, a RB2 who could be moving on, A WR#1 with issues and a WR#2 that is getting up there in years. Rex's post game comments lead me to believe there will be some major changes. So where will the change be made? Holmes did just sign a big contract with them, but he seems to be a big part of the problem.

Maybe Rex will shut his fat trap next year

This is one thing we KNOW will not happen.