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[Reaper]

Maybe the Ravens knew what they were doing when thry chose Harbaugh over Rex...

I think if Rex had Flacco, Ed Reed, Ngata, Ray Rice, Ray Lewis and Terrel Suggs he wins multiple SUPER BOWLS by now Seriously, the past 2 years the Ravens Personel has blown away the Jets and I don't recall them in the Championship Games.Even this offseason I tipped my cap to the Ravens as they fortified their OL while the Jets stood pat.

 

[Reaper]

People keep saying Sanchez has regressed.

12-20

17-13

26-18

is that regressing?

He had so little help this year. Holmes sucked. OLine sucked. RB's sucked. How could he possibly do better than 26-18 and 6 rushing TD's.

Regressed probably isn't the right term, but he showed no improvement this year. I think he proved that he is an average QB in the NFL. He isn't going to take a team to the next level.

What's the next level? He was in the Championship game where the DEFENSE put him in a huge hole that he almost climbed out of... He beat the Colts w/ Manning then The Pats with Brady both on the road in games that he played real well in....

Again, it's funny how I get turned around to stand up for "The QB I Never Wanted" when people make such generalizations.

What stinks is that every team in the AFC playoffs sans maybe Baltimore less competitive this year and IMO, the path is wide open.

 

[Max Power]

People keep saying Sanchez has regressed.

12-20

17-13

26-18

is that regressing?

He had so little help this year. Holmes sucked. OLine sucked. RB's sucked. How could he possibly do better than 26-18 and 6 rushing TD's.

Regressed probably isn't the right term, but he showed no improvement this year. I think he proved that he is an average QB in the NFL. He isn't going to take a team to the next level.

What's the next level? He was in the Championship game where the DEFENSE put him in a huge hole that he almost climbed out of... He beat the Colts w/ Manning then The Pats with Brady both on the road in games that he played real well in....

Again, it's funny how I get turned around to stand up for "The QB I Never Wanted" when people make such generalizations.

What stinks is that every team in the AFC playoffs sans maybe Baltimore less competitive this year and IMO, the path is wide open.

I dont understand why you don't want to go along with this generalization. In the past, the Jets D drove the bus along with a solid running game. When the D and running game were average, the team was average. He has had some very good games as a pro. Both in the regular season and in the playoffs. But the facts remain that in the playoffs, he has never won a game where the offense didn't rush for at least 120 yards and the D didn't give up more than 21 points. He did little in his win against Manning but his showing against the Pats was very nice. When I look at his entire body of work as a pro, I don't see anything that indicates he will be a great QB in this league. He looks like a guy who will win games when the cards fall right for him. Looking at pro-football-reference advanced passing tab, he is a below average QB in almost every single QB category.

plenty of average QBs have made playoff pushes, it happens. His team finished 8-8 this year and that is a talented team. While there is plenty of blame to go around, Mark should be getting his fair share of it

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

This is my Sanchez rant and why I feel the Jets should move on from him unless they are happy with a game manager going forward...

In today's NFL if you are a QB and you are averaging 217 passing yards per game (good for 22nd in the league) you are going to have to need some help getting your team wins. Sanchez threw 18ints which was good for 5th worst in the league which did not help. He did throw for 26 td's which was good for 9th in the league but there were 13 qb's who threw for 20 plus td's this year and guys like Vick, Schaub, and Hasselbeck whould have been there if it was not for injuries. He took 39 sacks good enough for 5th worst. He did rush for 6 td's which is great for a qb, but was tied for 3rd in the league with 6 lost fumbles.

Sanchez threw 543 times and only 39 of those went for 20 yards or more. That is so bad. I mean Matt Ryan who was 10th on the list had 55, Newton who has 5th on the list had 65, and Tom Brady was first with 71. I mean you would think that over 543 attempts you would get some big plays to a guy like Holmes or Burress down the field but nope they certainly didin't. Sanchez finished 33rd in the league for passes of more than 40 plus yards with a grand total of 2. Right behind Gabbert who had 4, Painter who had 5, and even Tebow had 6 on 271 attempts.

This offence was just not good. That has a lot to do with the offensive coordinator but just as much as the QB. Sanchez is a one read guy. He can't get off his first read and is a check down and throw between the numbers guy. He is a a game manager and when asked to do more you are left shaking your head. He needs to be treated like Alex Smith and instead people want him to be Stafford.

If Manning somehow becomes avaialbe I think the Jets would do a lot to try and get him. I don't see Sanchez taking the next step. If they stick with him he is going to cost more people their jobs. He is just not that good unless you want a game manager for the future.

 

[Sabertooth]

They really need to bring in a legit challenger. The NFL is all about passing nowadays. You take a team that can run and stop the run vs. a team that can pass and stop the pass, you will have the passing team win 7 of 10. Look at your true contenders this season. Most have elite passing attacks. I'd say the top three contenders are 1-2-3 as far as quarterbacks in the NFL right now. But they need to bring in some real competition at the QB spot for Sanchez. He was handed a job, never had to earn it. Never had a threat to take it. I think Matt Flynn for instance would come in there and at least push him forward or out of the way. Every other position seems earned, why is QB different than fullback or kick returner when earning the spot?

 

[zamboni]

They really need to bring in a legit challenger.

Bingo.For all the talk about people wanting Sanchez gone (and I am not a big fan either), he's not going anywhere. The franchise is committed to him financially, and will give him AT LEAST one more year.You can be rest assured though that the team will bring in someone that can push Sanchez to improve or else find a seat on the bench - not a 50 year old Mark Brunell. Forget about Manning or Flynn - the team can't commit that much to the QB position.

 

[Godsbrother]

Hindsight is 20/20, I'll give him credit for those picks. He traded up for Revis which was one of the best draft moves of the last decade IMO.

That was a solid move. The Steelers were next on the clock and thought for sure they were going to get Revis.

 

[Sabertooth]

They really need to bring in a legit challenger.

Bingo.For all the talk about people wanting Sanchez gone (and I am not a big fan either), he's not going anywhere. The franchise is committed to him financially, and will give him AT LEAST one more year.You can be rest assured though that the team will bring in someone that can push Sanchez to improve or else find a seat on the bench - not a 50 year old Mark Brunell. Forget about Manning or Flynn - the team can't commit that much to the QB position.

Flynn was the name on the mind, but dare I say he's too big a name now to come in at a reasonable price. Maybe a guy like Josh Johnson or something along those lines maybe. Or even a QB in round 2 or 3.

 

[zamboni]

They really need to bring in a legit challenger.

Bingo.For all the talk about people wanting Sanchez gone (and I am not a big fan either), he's not going anywhere. The franchise is committed to him financially, and will give him AT LEAST one more year.

You can be rest assured though that the team will bring in someone that can push Sanchez to improve or else find a seat on the bench - not a 50 year old Mark Brunell. Forget about Manning or Flynn - the team can't commit that much to the QB position.

Flynn was the name on the mind, but dare I say he's too big a name now to come in at a reasonable price. Maybe a guy like Josh Johnson or something along those lines maybe. Or even a QB in round 2 or 3.

I doubt a rookie will be the true backup, as they will have their own growing pains. I am thinking more like a Matt Hasselback type, if anyone of that ilk is available at a reasonable price. Someone who some success in the past and experienced enough to handle the offense, yet not too over the hill like Brunell.

 

[Reaper]

People keep saying Sanchez has regressed.

12-20

17-13

26-18

is that regressing?

He had so little help this year. Holmes sucked. OLine sucked. RB's sucked. How could he possibly do better than 26-18 and 6 rushing TD's.

Regressed probably isn't the right term, but he showed no improvement this year. I think he proved that he is an average QB in the NFL. He isn't going to take a team to the next level.

What's the next level? He was in the Championship game where the DEFENSE put him in a huge hole that he almost climbed out of... He beat the Colts w/ Manning then The Pats with Brady both on the road in games that he played real well in....

Again, it's funny how I get turned around to stand up for "The QB I Never Wanted" when people make such generalizations.

What stinks is that every team in the AFC playoffs sans maybe Baltimore less competitive this year and IMO, the path is wide open.

I dont understand why you don't want to go along with this generalization. In the past, the Jets D drove the bus along with a solid running game. When the D and running game were average, the team was average. He has had some very good games as a pro. Both in the regular season and in the playoffs. But the facts remain that in the playoffs, he has never won a game where the offense didn't rush for at least 120 yards and the D didn't give up more than 21 points. He did little in his win against Manning but his showing against the Pats was very nice. When I look at his entire body of work as a pro, I don't see anything that indicates he will be a great QB in this league. He looks like a guy who will win games when the cards fall right for him. Looking at pro-football-reference advanced passing tab, he is a below average QB in almost every single QB category.

plenty of average QBs have made playoff pushes, it happens. His team finished 8-8 this year and that is a talented team. While there is plenty of blame to go around, Mark should be getting his fair share of it

Like I said from well before that draft day, I was never a Sanchez fan! I'm a step ahead of ya.... I started the List of "Jets fans Against Sanchez"

But, as a Jets fan (or even a Jets GM or Coach), knowing he's not going anywhere you have to look at what he needs to be successful - What A LOT of Qb's need to be successful and frankly he got NONE of it this year. NONE.

The ENTIRE TEAM Fell short this year - The Defense, The OL, the Run game, the WR options, the Play calling, the Locker room leadership.. EVERYTHING fell short..... The penalties were insane - you can't put Mark Sanchez in 1st and 20 or 1st and 15 on so many drives like they did. You can't put any QB in that situation!!!!! The penalties were sickening. The drops were sickening.

Ask Phil Simms who analyzed the Playoff Patriots game last year and he'll tell you he saw a QB playing as well as any QB.

So, while I've never been a fan, you should recognize a lot of factors that went against him as well as the flashes he has shown.

Do I want him as my teams QB? NO

Would I mock the #### out of him if he were a Rival QB? YES

But, do I think his team helped him at all this past Season? HELL NO, He was hung out to dry.

So, Do i think there's a glimmer of hope that he could take it to another level and be better than the QB that already played in Championship games and played well enough to go to the Super Bowl?

I'd have to say YES. And that was my point.

 

[Crash Davis]

People keep saying Sanchez has regressed.

12-20

17-13

26-18

is that regressing?

He had so little help this year. Holmes sucked. OLine sucked. RB's sucked. How could he possibly do better than 26-18 and 6 rushing TD's.

Regressed probably isn't the right term, but he showed no improvement this year. I think he proved that he is an average QB in the NFL. He isn't going to take a team to the next level.

What's the next level? He was in the Championship game where the DEFENSE put him in a huge hole that he almost climbed out of... He beat the Colts w/ Manning then The Pats with Brady both on the road in games that he played real well in....

Again, it's funny how I get turned around to stand up for "The QB I Never Wanted" when people make such generalizations.

What stinks is that every team in the AFC playoffs sans maybe Baltimore less competitive this year and IMO, the path is wide open.

I dont understand why you don't want to go along with this generalization. In the past, the Jets D drove the bus along with a solid running game. When the D and running game were average, the team was average. He has had some very good games as a pro. Both in the regular season and in the playoffs. But the facts remain that in the playoffs, he has never won a game where the offense didn't rush for at least 120 yards and the D didn't give up more than 21 points. He did little in his win against Manning but his showing against the Pats was very nice. When I look at his entire body of work as a pro, I don't see anything that indicates he will be a great QB in this league. He looks like a guy who will win games when the cards fall right for him. Looking at pro-football-reference advanced passing tab, he is a below average QB in almost every single QB category.

plenty of average QBs have made playoff pushes, it happens. His team finished 8-8 this year and that is a talented team. While there is plenty of blame to go around, Mark should be getting his fair share of it

Like I said from well before that draft day, I was never a Sanchez fan! I'm a step ahead of ya.... I started the List of "Jets fans Against Sanchez"

But, as a Jets fan (or even a Jets GM or Coach), knowing he's not going anywhere you have to look at what he needs to be successful - What A LOT of Qb's need to be successful and frankly he got NONE of it this year. NONE.

The ENTIRE TEAM Fell short this year - The Defense, The OL, the Run game, the WR options, the Play calling, the Locker room leadership.. EVERYTHING fell short..... The penalties were insane - you can't put Mark Sanchez in 1st and 20 or 1st and 15 on so many drives like they did. You can't put any QB in that situation!!!!! The penalties were sickening. The drops were sickening.

Ask Phil Simms who analyzed the Playoff Patriots game last year and he'll tell you he saw a QB playing as well as any QB.

So, while I've never been a fan, you should recognize a lot of factors that went against him as well as the flashes he has shown.

Do I want him as my teams QB? NO

Would I mock the #### out of him if he were a Rival QB? YES

But, do I think his team helped him at all this past Season? HELL NO, He was hung out to dry.

So, Do i think there's a glimmer of hope that he could take it to another level and be better than the QB that already played in Championship games and played well enough to go to the Super Bowl?

I'd have to say YES. And that was my point.

Simms also said that in the AFC championship game against Pitt last year that Sanchez was the best player on the field. People have very short memories, and wildly varying standards for people based on who they are. Someone in this thread stated if Rex had Flacco and other Ravens players he'd have won superbowls. I know it was a joke referencing his Chargers/Norv comment, but it's pretty laughable to me that Flacco is considered by most to be light years ahead of Sanchez, yet he had a pretty ####ty year this year and has done less in the playoffs than Sanchez with similar and by most accounts, better personnel around him. I'm not convinced that Sanchez can be great either, but let's try to remember that he was a 1 year starter in college and just completed his 3rd full season. Unless your name is Brady or Roethlisberger, not many QBs in their 1st 3 years in the league are ready to lead their team to a SB, yet Sanchez was expected to do just that because of the team successful runs the past 2 years. He took some strides forward, but with an increased reliance on his arm because of a weaker overall team around him he also made a lot of mistakes and showed he isn't ready to be the focus of the offense yet. That isn't exactly uncommon for 3rd year QBs. Yes, Stafford who was taken ahead of him exploded this year, but the other 1st round QB in that draft Freeman took a HUGE step back in TB. Why aren't people saying TB should draft a QB or bring in a guy to push him? Sanchez outplayed Freeman in almost every way this year, which should tell you something about how bad Freeman was.Lastly, Check out how similar these two seasons are:

301/522 57.7% 3,244 yds 24/18 TD/INT 77.0 rat

308/543 56.7% 3,474 yds 26/18 TD/INT 78.2 rat

The second one is Sanchez who also had 6 rushing TDs (and lost 4 fumbles). The first is Eli Manning in his 3rd Giants season, where they also went 8-8. People wanted to run Eli out of town too, and the cries were getting louder in 07 as he threw a career high 20 INTs. A light switch turned on at the end of the year though and they won the SB in one of the greatest upsets of all time mainly on Eli's arm and a great pass rush.

Obviously just because Sanchez had a similar 3rd year to Eli doesn't mean he will be as good, ever win a SB, or even remain the Jets starter past 2012. What is does show though is that implying that the way a QB plays in his 3rd year is his ceiling, or that he has had enough time to develop isn't always true. OK, i'm done, i'm tired of defending Sanchez because his play frustrated the hell out of me this year. Similar to Reaper though I can't just sit back and let people make lame generalizations that don't really tell the whole story.

 

[Snickers]

Not a Jets fan but it seems to me that chemistry was more or an issue for them than talent. That said, the Pats showed the way to beat their defense by having 2 TEs that their DBs or LBs can't cover which negated the value of a guy like Revis.

If Hernandez was healthy last year they lose that playoff game.

 

[QuizGuy66]

According to Joe and Evan on the FAN this morning, cutting Santonio would bring a $12.5m cap hit

-QG

 

[zamboni]

According to Joe and Evan on the FAN this morning, cutting Santonio would bring a $12.5m cap hit-QG

This should be the theme song played at MetLife stadium next year when Holmes's name is announced:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IK6x2vE-D0

 

[Dr. Octopus]

This is my Sanchez rant and why I feel the Jets should move on from him unless they are happy with a game manager going forward...

I think the problem is that Sanchez IS NOT (nor ever was) a game manager - the guy is a mistake waiting to happen. He's second only to Rex Grossman on the "bone-head" scale. He actually has some really good talents (mobile, throws well on the run, solid arm) but his poor pocket presence and inability to see the field are where he fails.

 

[Kiddnets]

What a disaster....some thoughts:

Coaching: Rex needs to step up qand be a head coach and not a glorified DC. Was not happy to hear things like he was shocked they threw the ball 60 times vs NYG (Hey Rex get involved and change the gameplan) - or he had no idea what was going on with Holmes also that 21 play drive Im watching Sanchez chilling in the South Beach sun on the sidelines instead of looking at pictures, talking with coaches - WTF - Rex just doesnt look involved at all on the offensive side of the ball and its a problem. I am confident Schotty will be gone but fear they replace him with Callahan which is not really an upgrade IMO. Who is out there that they could realistically get to help?

QB: Before burying Sanchez what are the other options? I agree its time to put Brunnell out to pasture and bring in a much better backup but again whose out there? To get rid of Sanchez for another option who is out there? 1st and a 3rd for unproven Flynn? Peyton with a fused spine? Looks to me like its Sanchez or bust....think he is going into a contract year so hopefully he puts aside the GQ/nightlife and dedicates himself to get better.

RB: Very let down by Greene - looked like a world beater in playoffs last 2 years but now seems to be Lamont Jordan 2....His lousy play really hurt the O as he seemed to put them in a hole all the time with an awful 1-2 yd gain on 1st down. I think he is going to get 1 more year simply because there are bigger holes to fill but he is shaky and may get benched for McKnight if he continues to improve. LT is a nice lockerroom leader but they need to get younger not older. Conner is developing into a great FB

WR: Ugh....Plax is done and should not be resigned. Holmes was a bust on the field and off but that contract is an anchor...no one will touch him. So he stays by default and hope Rex smoothes it over. Kerley was a great find and while excellent in the slot they may have to move him to #2. Turner has potential but they really need another big WR...the return of Braylon? They really missed him.

TE: Keller has all the talent but seems to have lots of mental lapses. Good enogugh for now - need a big road grater blocking TE - not sure why its so hard to find. I am lost as to how Mulligan was allowed on the field the last few weeks.

OL: RT needs to be the #1 priority IMO - Brick and Mangold are both great...Moore solid and slauson serviceable. The RT position is key and it has to be fixed with a top FA or draft pick. Plus gotta have better depth.

DL: Liked Mohammed as a rook - see him as a very nice player. Pouha is an excelent and underrated man in the middle. Rest are avg to below avg fill ins. Need another DL preferably a guy who can finally get pressure on the QB (saying that for years)

LB: Harris and the rest....Harris was very good again - rest not so much. Would love to clean house on the LBs but contracts will likely have Scott and Pace back again. Hope they get at least one solid LB to add and push this group.

DB: Set at CB....need 2 new safties....TEs killed us all year and they seemed slow to the plays. Not sure whose out there but something has to be done.

ST: Westhoffs worst year I can remember - penalties almost every play...lousy kicking. Time for Folk to go as he is too shaky...punter was God awful and needs to be replaced as well.

Looking at the above the Jets have a lot of work to do. Tanny has done a decent job - they locked in their core players...now he has to find a way to upgrade to get to the next level. Rex has no more free passes and needs to take ownership of the entire team...he may not survive another debacle like this one. Hopefully Revis, Mangold and Brick will become the leaders the team needs and nip this nonsense like Holmes di in the bud in 2012......Its going to be a long...but interesting off season.

 

[Chase Stuart]

They really need to bring in a legit challenger.

Bingo.For all the talk about people wanting Sanchez gone (and I am not a big fan either), he's not going anywhere. The franchise is committed to him financially, and will give him AT LEAST one more year.

You can be rest assured though that the team will bring in someone that can push Sanchez to improve or else find a seat on the bench - not a 50 year old Mark Brunell. Forget about Manning or Flynn - the team can't commit that much to the QB position.

Flynn was the name on the mind, but dare I say he's too big a name now to come in at a reasonable price. Maybe a guy like Josh Johnson or something along those lines maybe. Or even a QB in round 2 or 3.

I doubt a rookie will be the true backup, as they will have their own growing pains. I am thinking more like a Matt Hasselback type, if anyone of that ilk is available at a reasonable price. Someone who some success in the past and experienced enough to handle the offense, yet not too over the hill like Brunell.

I would be happy with Orton.

 

[Chase Stuart]

What a disaster....some thoughts: My thoughts in blue:

Coaching: Rex needs to step up qand be a head coach and not a glorified DC. Was not happy to hear things like he was shocked they threw the ball 60 times vs NYG (Hey Rex get involved and change the gameplan) - or he had no idea what was going on with Holmes also that 21 play drive Im watching Sanchez chilling in the South Beach sun on the sidelines instead of looking at pictures, talking with coaches - WTF - Rex just doesnt look involved at all on the offensive side of the ball and its a problem. I am confident Schotty will be gone but fear they replace him with Callahan which is not really an upgrade IMO. Who is out there that they could realistically get to help? Totally agree. If they promote Callahan I will go crazy. That guy is nothing more than a OL coach. Rex has a lot of Herm in him, which Jets fans hate to admit. The difference is Rex has an attacking style of defense, but neither coach seemed to care a lick about offense. As a HC, Rex is great not just as defense but at leading the team and all that jazz. But he ignores offense, and the ST was a joke this year, too. Granted, Westy is a great coach, but 2 out of the 3 units this year were garbage and Rex didn't seem to care. Mulligan had about 20 pre-snap penalties and I don't even think Rex noticed.

QB: Before burying Sanchez what are the other options? I agree its time to put Brunnell out to pasture and bring in a much better backup but again whose out there? To get rid of Sanchez for another option who is out there? 1st and a 3rd for unproven Flynn? Peyton with a fused spine? Looks to me like its Sanchez or bust....think he is going into a contract year so hopefully he puts aside the GQ/nightlife and dedicates himself to get better. He's got 2 years left, but realistically you don't let your QB go into his contract season. So this is the big year. But they have to bring in someone. Vince Young? Orton? I agree that I don't want to lose picks for Flynn or a rookie, but would for Peyton. They like McElroy, but I don't know if he's a legit challenger. Matt Moore? Chad Henne? Any of those scrap heap guys work for me. They need a legit backup option, someone who has been a starter before.

RB: Very let down by Greene - looked like a world beater in playoffs last 2 years but now seems to be Lamont Jordan 2....His lousy play really hurt the O as he seemed to put them in a hole all the time with an awful 1-2 yd gain on 1st down. I think he is going to get 1 more year simply because there are bigger holes to fill but he is shaky and may get benched for McKnight if he continues to improve. LT is a nice lockerroom leader but they need to get younger not older. Conner is developing into a great FB Totally agree. Too low of a priority but he stinks. Honestly I would not be opposed to the Jets trading up for Trent Richardson, even though it would leave the team in trouble elsewhere. I think the offense desperately needs a dynamic playmaker, and the best spot for that is probably at RB.

WR: Ugh....Plax is done and should not be resigned. Holmes was a bust on the field and off but that contract is an anchor...no one will touch him. So he stays by default and hope Rex smoothes it over. Kerley was a great find and while excellent in the slot they may have to move him to #2. Turner has potential but they really need another big WR...the return of Braylon? They really missed him. I could see them taking a WR in the first round. More likely, they keep Tone at 1 and Kerley at 3 and sign a gap guy (Meachem?) to be the other starter. The WR group is not going to be a strength, which is why I think they really need a RB.

TE: Keller has all the talent but seems to have lots of mental lapses. Good enogugh for now - need a big road grater blocking TE - not sure why its so hard to find. I am lost as to how Mulligan was allowed on the field the last few weeks. Cumberland is a high upside guy; would like to see him on the field next year provided he's healthy. They need a Hartsock type guy back because Mulligan is awful.

OL: RT needs to be the #1 priority IMO - Brick and Mangold are both great...Moore solid and slauson serviceable. The RT position is key and it has to be fixed with a top FA or draft pick. Plus gotta have better depth. Yep. Hopefully they don't eff this up.

DL: Liked Mohammed as a rook - see him as a very nice player. Pouha is an excelent and underrated man in the middle. Rest are avg to below avg fill ins. Need another DL preferably a guy who can finally get pressure on the QB (saying that for years)Pouha and Mo are great; I think between DeVito and Ellis, the line is a strength of the team. Don't forget about Ropati and MTV.

LB: Harris and the rest....Harris was very good again - rest not so much. Would love to clean house on the LBs but contracts will likely have Scott and Pace back again. Hope they get at least one solid LB to add and push this group. Think BT will be gone. Between Maybin and Westerman they are serviceable there. Agreed with your sentiment: Pace/Scott are nothing great but likely back, although the rumors continue to swirl that one or both will be cut. I think there are too many other priorities this off-season to focus on but would like to get younger and faster there. Maybin may be a huge gift but Mauga and McIntyre are not the sort of young depth guys you want.

DB: Set at CB....need 2 new safties....TEs killed us all year and they seemed slow to the plays. Not sure whose out there but something has to be done. Sign/draft 2 safeties, at a minimum. No questions asked. At least one of them should be a big money/1st round guy.

ST: Westhoffs worst year I can remember - penalties almost every play...lousy kicking. Time for Folk to go as he is too shaky...punter was God awful and needs to be replaced as well. Yep. Both K and P can go.

Looking at the above the Jets have a lot of work to do. Tanny has done a decent job - they locked in their core players...now he has to find a way to upgrade to get to the next level. Rex has no more free passes and needs to take ownership of the entire team...he may not survive another debacle like this one. Hopefully Revis, Mangold and Brick will become the leaders the team needs and nip this nonsense like Holmes di in the bud in 2012......Its going to be a long...but interesting off season.

 

[Andrew Garda]

They really need to bring in a legit challenger.

Bingo.For all the talk about people wanting Sanchez gone (and I am not a big fan either), he's not going anywhere. The franchise is committed to him financially, and will give him AT LEAST one more year.

You can be rest assured though that the team will bring in someone that can push Sanchez to improve or else find a seat on the bench - not a 50 year old Mark Brunell. Forget about Manning or Flynn - the team can't commit that much to the QB position.

Flynn was the name on the mind, but dare I say he's too big a name now to come in at a reasonable price. Maybe a guy like Josh Johnson or something along those lines maybe. Or even a QB in round 2 or 3.

I doubt a rookie will be the true backup, as they will have their own growing pains. I am thinking more like a Matt Hasselback type, if anyone of that ilk is available at a reasonable price. Someone who some success in the past and experienced enough to handle the offense, yet not too over the hill like Brunell.

I would be happy with Orton.

Oh.... Chase......first someone name checks LaMont Jordan and now this.

Dark days indeed.

 

[zamboni]

They really need to bring in a legit challenger.

Bingo.For all the talk about people wanting Sanchez gone (and I am not a big fan either), he's not going anywhere. The franchise is committed to him financially, and will give him AT LEAST one more year.

You can be rest assured though that the team will bring in someone that can push Sanchez to improve or else find a seat on the bench - not a 50 year old Mark Brunell. Forget about Manning or Flynn - the team can't commit that much to the QB position.

Flynn was the name on the mind, but dare I say he's too big a name now to come in at a reasonable price. Maybe a guy like Josh Johnson or something along those lines maybe. Or even a QB in round 2 or 3.

I doubt a rookie will be the true backup, as they will have their own growing pains. I am thinking more like a Matt Hasselback type, if anyone of that ilk is available at a reasonable price. Someone who some success in the past and experienced enough to handle the offense, yet not too over the hill like Brunell.

I would be happy with Orton.

Oh.... Chase......first someone name checks LaMont Jordan and now this.

Dark days indeed.

I don't disagree with Chase - wouldn't be too disappointed with Orton.I don't know what happened in Denver, but Orton played OK down the stretch with KC after having virtually no time to get up to speed on the offense and his receivers.

With a full training camp/pre-season, he's the type of guy that can both mentor Sanchez and pressure him to up his game.

 

[Max Power]

One teammate told the New York Daily News that he "doesn't see how" Santonio Holmes can come back to the Jets in 2012 after quitting on the team in Week 17.Asked if that was the majority opinion in the locker room, the undisclosed veteran said, "Yes." One player called Holmes a "cancer," and several others maintain that he and Mark Sanchez are "not personally compatible." Holmes blew off a meeting with Sanchez after giving the QB a hard time the previous day. Per ESPN New York, when Holmes moped into the huddle last week, RT Wayne Hunter yelled, "If you dont f------ want to play get your a-- the f--- out!" Coach Rex Ryan and GM Mike Tannenbaum suggested in separate radio interviews Tuesday that Holmes' attitude would have to be addressed.

I get the feeling this isn't something that will blow over in time. Its probably best for everyone if Holmes and the Jets part ways.