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OAK vs SF (1 Viewer)
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Routilla
Footballguy
Walter may be the worst starting QB in the league. As a Porter owner I hope someone else gets some work before week 1 and atleast gives the coach something to think about.
Sweat Hog
Footballguy
No doubt. Walter is the odd man out and playing for his life right now - and not well at all I might add.The Raiders look just like last year and I cannot bring myself to draft any of them - no matter what their perceived "value" may be.
falconeyed
Footballguy
OAK with a bit of a drive going right now, but OAK D looks sluggish and pathetic.
falconeyed
Footballguy
Walter's play fakes are obscene. Might as well just not do them.
Couch Potato
Footballguy
Just this week's rotation, read nothing into it. Kiffin explained earlier this week he was going to reverse last week's McCown / CPep / Walter order.BTW, I've been yapping all preseason that Curry is probably the most undervalued WR in FF right now. I see 70-80 catches and a top-20 fantasy WR status for him. No staff, no 'expert' from any other site I look at, have him much above WR40 if that except Maurile at 29. He sits at about WR45-50 generally. Folks, I'll say it again, grab him if you can. It's Curry, not Porter, who will be the focus of the passing game. And it won't even be close.
EDIT to correct for Tremblay.
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falconeyed
Footballguy
Jordan caps drive with short TD run. Jordan looked pretty good on the drive.
I'm sure the entire Oakland offense will probably look ok this year. I'm not sure anyone really understands or comprehends how hiring a guy to run the offense that had been out of football for 20 plus years can NOT work. That goes for any profession. So much changes in 20 years. Think about it. What do we have that wasn't around 20 years ago? Is it really so hard to beleive that a guy that had been out of football so long could bring an entire offense to a hault? No. I expect Jordan to have a decent year, if healthy.
I've had him top 30 the entire offseason. I could see him finishing top 20, but I think he's an underdog to do so.
falconeyed
Footballguy
Pepp's in.
Couch Potato
Footballguy
You know, I almost mentioned you by name as the exception.Last time I tracked this stuff (a couple days ago - I do track this stuff):
Dodds 46
Henry 46
FBG staff 47.5
FantasyGuru 46
FFToday 49
FBG ADP Consensus page 50
Within FBG staff, the only ones under 40 were:
Tremblay at 29, another staff at 39, another at 40, and all others at 45 or over.
Way to go Maurile.
(I edited my post to mention you. Apologies for the original wording.)
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from what i've read in the papers, Porter will be the MAIN guy in this offense, playing the receiver in that Kiffin's offense which will be featured. so we'll see.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
2-5 SF5 (6:17) D.Culpepper pass short left to J.Madsen for 5 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
1-5 SF5 (6:23) D.Culpepper pass incomplete short right to M.Williams. Oakland challenged the pass completion ruling, and the play was Upheld. (Timeout #1.)
3-5 SF49 (7:11) (Shotgun) D.Culpepper pass short left to J.Madsen to SF 5 for 44 yards (M.Hudson, P.Willis).
2-5 SF49 (7:17) D.Culpepper pass incomplete short left to M.Williams.
1-10 OAK46 (8:01) J.Fargas left tackle to SF 49 for 5 yards (P.Willis, P.Haralson).
3-7 OAK33 (8:35) D.Culpepper scrambles to OAK 46 for 13 yards (P.Willis).
2-6 OAK34 (9:10) D.Culpepper FUMBLES (Aborted) at OAK 34, and recovers at OAK 33. D.Culpepper to OAK 33 for no gain (P.Willis).
1-10 OAK30 (9:43) D.Culpepper pass short left to M.Williams to OAK 34 for 4 yards (M.Hudson).
1-5 SF5 (6:23) D.Culpepper pass incomplete short right to M.Williams. Oakland challenged the pass completion ruling, and the play was Upheld. (Timeout #1.)
3-5 SF49 (7:11) (Shotgun) D.Culpepper pass short left to J.Madsen to SF 5 for 44 yards (M.Hudson, P.Willis).
2-5 SF49 (7:17) D.Culpepper pass incomplete short left to M.Williams.
1-10 OAK46 (8:01) J.Fargas left tackle to SF 49 for 5 yards (P.Willis, P.Haralson).
3-7 OAK33 (8:35) D.Culpepper scrambles to OAK 46 for 13 yards (P.Willis).
2-6 OAK34 (9:10) D.Culpepper FUMBLES (Aborted) at OAK 34, and recovers at OAK 33. D.Culpepper to OAK 33 for no gain (P.Willis).
1-10 OAK30 (9:43) D.Culpepper pass short left to M.Williams to OAK 34 for 4 yards (M.Hudson).
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
A. Walter 9/16 78 0 1
D. Culpepper 6/8 75 2 0
D. Culpepper 6/8 75 2 0
bocksheesh
Footballguy
How did the 49ers look running the football? Was the OLine getting a good push?
Even with Gore out, I'm wondering how the 49er ground game looked.
Even with Gore out, I'm wondering how the 49er ground game looked.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Walter is dead man walking. They were hoping he'd show something so he'd be trade bait.
He'll be working at McDonalds as soon as Russell comes to terms.
He'll be working at McDonalds as soon as Russell comes to terms.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Who exactly are you saying he should be ahead of?Let's say for arguments sake that he IS the #1 WR on this team (and that's still an assumption at this point). That makes him what, the #1 WR on one of the worst offenses in the league? There are 32 teams in the NFL. Surely many of them have SEVERAL WRs that will be more valuable than Oakland's #1, and there are few teams I would prefer Oakland's #1 over (out of 32 teams) even discounting that.
drpill
Footballguy
I see I'm not the only one who noticed this.
Riffraff
Footballguy
The only thing that might save him is that Culpepper and McCown both only have contracts for this year.But odds are that isn't enough.
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
Thomas Clayton got most of the reps in the 2nd half.His Oline didn't do him many favors tonight,as he had very little running room.
drpill
Footballguy
Alex Smith with a nice game. Ashley Lelie getting some love (4-57, 1 TD) with Jackson and Battle taking the night off. This has the smell of a reasonably potent offense, sort of a San Diego-lite. When you think about it they have very similar pieces.
Trent Dilfer also looks better than last week judging from the stat line.
Trent Dilfer also looks better than last week judging from the stat line.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
You mean the #1 rated pass defense in the NFL last year?
drpill
Footballguy
Well there you go then.
Whiplash Inc.
Footballguy
This is a completely new coaching staff, a new offensive scheme and several new players on offense. It's extremely premature to call them one of the worst offenses in the league at this point.Everybody making that statement bases it on the dismal performance by the offense in '06. They can only go up after that, who knows how far? What if they improve by 50%, that would make them the 16th ranked offense in the league, that could be some very nice production form the #1 receiver in Oakland's offense. Just sayin'.
Many say it is his tiny hands.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Facts should never get in the way of kicking a team while they're down!maurice tremblays redraft wr list.1 Steve Smith, CAR 1 1 3 3 3 1 3 2 1 2 1 1 3 1.0 1.0 1.0
2 Chad Johnson, CIN 2 3 1 5 5 3 1 1 2 1 2 2 1 2.0 2.0 2.0
3 Marvin Harrison, IND 3 6 6 1 4 5 5 8 3 8 3 6 11 3.0 3.0 3.0
4 Lee Evans, BUF 9 10 7 10 13 9 7 10 11 12 4 14 21 4.0 4.0 4.0
5 Terrell Owens, DAL 5 2 9 7 1 2 4 7 4 9 5 3 2 5.0 5.0 5.0
6 Larry Fitzgerald, ARI 10 9 10 2 8 7 12 4 10 5 6 7 5 6.0 6.0 6.0
7 Torry Holt, STL 4 4 2 14 7 4 2 3 7 4 7 4 6 7.0 7.0 7.0
8 Roy Williams, DET 14 7 8 8 9 8 6 6 8 3 8 13 8 8.0 8.0 8.0
9 Javon Walker, DEN 6 8 5 9 6 11 8 17 9 18 9 9 10 9.0 9.0 9.0
10 Reggie Wayne, IND 7 5 4 4 2 6 9 5 5 7 10 5 4 10.0 10.0 10.0
11 T.J. Houshmandzadeh, CIN 8 13 13 19 15 12 13 12 6 10 11 12 16 11.0 11.0 11.0
12 Laveranues Coles, NYJ 24 22 15 13 20 20 22 22 24 26 12 18 15 12.0 12.0 12.0
13 Donald Driver, GB 11 15 14 6 11 10 11 16 12 20 13 17 14 13.0 13.0 13.0
14 Marques Colston, NO 13 16 11 11 12 13 14 11 14 15 14 11 13 14.0 14.0 14.0
15 Santana Moss, WAS 26 21 26 29 18 21 15 19 17 21 15 24 19 15.0 15.0 15.0
16 Hines Ward, PIT 17 18 21 25 16 16 19 20 21 11 16 21 20 16.0 16.0 16.0
17 Anquan Boldin, ARI 15 12 12 18 17 14 18 9 13 14 17 10 9 17.0 17.0 17.0
18 Randy Moss, NE 12 14 18 17 25 24 10 14 22 6 18 8 7 18.0 18.0 18.0
19 Joey Galloway, TB 31 24 37 16 21 25 20 26 26 25 19 27 17 19.0 19.0 19.0
20 Calvin Johnson, DET 21 20 20 42 31 19 27 15 18 24 20 33 31 20.0 20.0 20.0
21 Terry Glenn, DAL 32 33 59 37 22 28 25 30 36 31 21 26 35 21.0 21.0 21.0
22 Plaxico Burress, NYG 18 17 24 15 10 17 17 18 16 19 22 16 18 22.0 22.0 22.0
23 Jerricho Cotchery, NYJ 19 27 23 24 30 27 28 29 25 16 23 31 23 23.0 23.0 23.0
24 Andre Johnson, HOU 16 11 17 12 14 15 16 13 15 13 24 15 12 24.0 24.0 24.0
25 Bernard Berrian, CHI 28 34 43 26 35 39 32 28 31 33 25 43 30 25.0 25.0 25.0
26 Chris Chambers, MIA 20 36 29 28 34 31 29 34 28 17 26 19 22 26.0 26.0 26.0
27 Darrell Jackson, SF 25 25 19 20 23 23 24 37 35 29 27 25 27 27.0 27.0 27.0
28 D.J. Hackett, SEA 36 30 33 41 28 30 37 36 33 34 28 37 34 28.0 28.0 28.0
29 Ronald Curry, OAK 45 40 47 48 48 47 49 55 46 51 29 48 50 29.0 29.0 29.0
30 Isaac Bruce, STL 34 31 50 31 38 32 31 40 34 43 30 28 36 30.0 30.0 30.0
31 Deion Branch, SEA 30 23 22 21 26 26 30 25 20 23 31 22 33 31.0 31.0 31.0
32 Braylon Edwards, CLE 27 19 28 22 27 18 21 27 19 32 32 20 26 32.0 32.0 32.0
33 Muhsin Muhammad, CHI 41 49 32 43 45 41 36 33 43 40 33 35 40 33.0 33.0 33.0
34 Vincent Jackson, SD 33 37 35 49 37 44 38 54 30 30 34 47 28 34.0 34.0 34.0
35 Reggie Brown, PHI 22 29 16 27 24 29 23 21 23 22 35 29 24 35.0 35.0 35.0
36 Mark Clayton, BAL 23 26 34 23 19 22 26 24 29 27 36 23 29 36.0 36.0 36.0
37 Eddie Kennison, KC 37 47 52 38 40 43 45 43 41 48 37 45 42 37.0 37.0 37.0
38 Kevin Curtis, PHI 51 41 30 40 41 40 42 31 42 53 38 52 52 38.0 38.0 38.0
39 Joe Horn, ATL 56 48 53 45 42 51 39 38 50 45 39 46 44 39.0 39.0 39.0
40 Ted Ginn, MIA * * * * * * * * * * 40 * * 40.0 40.0 40.0
41 Patrick Crayton, DAL 47 53 * 51 44 * * 59 60 * 41 * 54 41.0 41.0 41.0
42 Santonio Holmes, PIT 29 32 36 36 32 33 35 35 27 35 42 39 32 42.0 42.0 42.0
43 Derrick Mason, BAL 49 56 60 52 51 52 41 41 44 41 43 34 46 43.0 43.0 43.0
44 Bobby Engram, SEA 60 * * * * * * * 59 55 44 * * 44.0 44.0 44.0
45 Ernest Wilford, JAX * * * 59 * * * * * * 45 * * 45.0 45.0 45.0
46 Brandon Stokley, DEN * * * * * * * * * * 46 * * 46.0 46.0 46.0
47 Greg Jennings, GB 39 28 25 44 29 38 33 32 32 38 47 36 25 47.0 47.0 47.0
48 Peerless Price, BUF * * * * * * * * * * 48 55 * 48.0 48.0 48.0
49 Donte Stallworth, NE 35 42 27 33 39 42 40 23 37 28 49 32 37 49.0 49.0 49.0
50 Marty Booker, MIA 54 * * 32 58 57 46 56 * * 50 51 * 50.0 50.0 50.0
51 Jerry Porter, OAK 38 38 31 35 36 36 34 39 38 37 51 30 41 51.0 51.0 51.0
52 Dwayne Bowe, KC * * 39 57 53 * * * 58 * 52 * 51 52.0 52.0 52.0
53 Nate Washington, PIT * * * * * * * * * * 53 * * 53.0 53.0 53.0
54 Joe Jurevicius, CLE * * * 55 52 50 54 50 * 58 54 57 * 54.0 54.0 54.0
55 Dennis Northcutt, JAX * * * 39 * * * * * * 55 * * 55.0 55.0 55.0
56 Keary Colbert, CAR * * * * * * * * * * 56 * * 56.0 56.0 56.0
57 Antwaan Randle El, WAS * * * * * * * * 57 * 57 * * 57.0 57.0 57.0
58 Craig Davis, SD * * 56 60 * 58 * * * * 58 * 60 58.0 58.0 58.0
59 Michael Jenkins, ATL 43 * 54 * * * * * * 49 59 56 45 59.0 59.0 59.0
The Man with the Plan
Footballguy
So what we've learned from this game is that:
Culpepper outplayed Walter- Certainly not surprising but you have to figure at worst he's the backup to McCown. He'll likely be the starter.
Jordan looked healthy- Jordan played well but it was in the preseason against the Niners which isn't saying much. There were questions about his knee but he looked healthy running the football. Those questions appear to be answered. For now.
Alex Smith played well- Preseason is especially important for a qb like Smith who has two new receivers in Lelie and Jackson. So far so good. There's potential in that offense for the 49ers with a lot of receiving weapons. We'll see if it lives up to it.
Culpepper outplayed Walter- Certainly not surprising but you have to figure at worst he's the backup to McCown. He'll likely be the starter.
Jordan looked healthy- Jordan played well but it was in the preseason against the Niners which isn't saying much. There were questions about his knee but he looked healthy running the football. Those questions appear to be answered. For now.
Alex Smith played well- Preseason is especially important for a qb like Smith who has two new receivers in Lelie and Jackson. So far so good. There's potential in that offense for the 49ers with a lot of receiving weapons. We'll see if it lives up to it.
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1huskerfan
Footballguy
Only because no one ever had to pass on them last year. When teams are crushing you by throwing the ball 9 times, it's not necessarily because of your stellar pass defense.
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
Don't forget that Walter played against the starters and Culpepper against the 3rd/4th stringers. Temper the enthusiasm a bit.
CBower4545
Footballguy
What's going on with the fumbles. It's not just Culpepper. Walter had two and McCown had one in the first game. I have not seen these games, but Culpepper has 4 and the rest have 3. Is there any problem wiith the exchange from center, or is this all just them. Out of the seven only two have been lost, so that makes me think there might have been bad exchanges and then someone drops on it quick.
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PahtyTom
Footballguy
Wrong. Oakland's pass defense is pretty sick.
Grid71
Footballguy
Who knows for sure unless somebody throws a teammate under the bus.FWIW I did see Pepper chew on the center a bit during ESPN highlights.
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