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Obama's Back! (2 Viewers)
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2018/sep/06/donald-trump-inauguration-crowd-size-photos-edited- now tell us about the record turnout at the inauguration.
Probably too complicated for Trump supporters to be sickened by the narcissism here and the article itself has some big words that are quite biggly.
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Sheriff Bart
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RW trying to get my attention and in the process not addng anything to anybtopic? Yes, outside of following squis around, that is his typical behavior.
Not for audit, but rather to slow down or reject the 501 C3 status of some organizations. And another thing about his speech when he spoke about Russia there was the accidental open mic where he was caught say after the election he would have more flexibility. Some of the reasons I had issues with Obama but at the same time Trump is so vile, so much more dishonest I found his speech a breath of fresh air. Things like saying the press is the enemy of the state should alarm both parties. And he is right what happened to the Republican party. We couldn't afford the ACA because we were 18 trillion in debt, now we are over 20 trillion in debt and we thibk we can spend 200 billion for military, 25 billion for a wall, 12 billion for farmers because of tariffs. I want a Republican that shows some fiscal responsibility.
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timschochet
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I always try to give credit when it’s due, always try to see all sides though I frequently fail. But I try.Good read Tim, proud of you posting something positive about him.
Unfortunately I think they are probably right on a recession next couple years, we are due.
I don’t believe, however, that Trump’s actions will be good for the economy long term, and I’ve explained why in other posts. But even if I did believe it, it still wouldn’t be enough. Even if he were the greatest economic President ever, it would still be overwhelmed IMO by his awfulness in other areas, many of them touched on by Obama in his remarks.
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Regardless, he weaponized the IRS to thwart and/or harass organizations his administration deemed as challenges to his consolidation of power. The echo chamber would explode if Trump tried this.
http://www.obamairsscandal.com/about/
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You need better sources. How about look up the findings of the actual investigation.
...and those words on the teleprompter referred to himself 104 times in 62 minutes.
Is he really trying to help anyone but himself?
This would be the investigation by the Obama justice system?
Yeah...I'll buy the results...oh wait....somebody already did.
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sho nuff
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I’ll take actual investigation results and findings over the ramblings of Opie and knowledge dropper from the internet anynday of the week.
You know facts vs unsubstantiated and biased opinions and blatant falsehoods.
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That’s not a very excellent reply to a statement of fact.
Maybe try spreading less lies if you don’t want to be called out.
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The entire video was Barry talking.....TrumpFanNetwork
Try disputing the message...not the messenger.
Doubtful that you'll find it presented like this on the "ObamafanNetworkS"....AKA...the MSM
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sho nuff
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Why would Inwatch anhatchet job YouTube video put together in clips by TrumpFanNetwork?
The rest of your post is the usual teolling garbage anyway Opie.
Good nuff reason for not opening your eyes.
Keep fighting the good fight and call out those trolls as you see 'em.
Trolls...TROLLS EVERYWHERE!!
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Did the Trump Justice Department bring any charges?Opie said:
Has President Trump's Justice Department brought ANY charges against anyone in Obama's administration?
Hell....most of Obama's Justice Department has either quit or been fired during investigations of President Trump's campaign!
What would you expect to happen IF Jeff Sessions even made an attempt to actually investigate any part the Obama administration....you remember them...."the most transparent administration in history"?
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...is a Trump supporter really saying that with no irony at all? WhatOpie said:
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So many of these Trump posters here are so lost. I can only hope it's some sick, misguided trolling. But I don't think anyone's that lame. These people are real and they're a scourge.
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I find it interesting that many on the right have this contempt for educated people. I do think there may be something to exposing their own insecurity about their own education and it somehow makes them feel better about themselves by saying using articulate words is condescending.JIslander said:
Add in the color of Obama’s skin and then this feeling is heightened.
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It’s the worst schtick on the board.Opie said:Good nuff reason for not opening your eyes.
Keep fighting the good fight and call out those trolls as you see 'em.
Trolls...TROLLS EVERYWHERE!!
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My personal feeling is just that a lot of underinformed people have dumb ideas about policy. So they get upset when better-informed people tell them the ideas are bad. That was a big appeal of Trump I think — he didn’t know enough to tell them their stupid ideas were bad, in fact, he felt the same way.
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Yours and Opies? I agree.
Postng from TrumpFanNetwork is a good way to have a conversation in your eyes?
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sho nuff
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I’ve done that?
Amd MSNBC and CNN compare to TrumpFanNetwork?
You are proving my point about you and your intentions here Opie.
Nov 29, 2016
Obama And The Dem's Dismal Recovery
The Obama recovery of the last seven years remains the worst in postwar American history. Average gross domestic product (GDP) growth since the bottom of the recession in 2009 was barely above 2.1% per year. The average since 1949 is well above 4% per year during the previous 10 expansions.
This result is not just bad, it is catastrophic. The average American should not be wondering if his or her income is a bit above or below 2007 levels. Just by historical averages, the average American should be 20% better off than in 2007. And this slow growth is settling in as a permanent new-abnormal.
I believe the root cause of abysmal growth is the huge tax increases imposed by Obama and the Democrats in Congress since 2008. The most harmful were the increase in the capital gains tax from 15 to 20 percent, the increase in top bracket income from 35 to 39.6 percent, and the new tax of 3.8 percent on investment income in the Affordable Care Act (ACA). The massive increase in regulatory burden through the ACA and Dodd-Frank bills are also crushing, but unfortunately are harder to measure.
The 13.4 percentage point tax increases mentioned above (plus higher state and local taxes) directly lower expected returns on all investments by the same amount. Our government grabs the fruits of investment, and then is puzzled that businesses do not invest. This causes billions of dollars of investment projects to come off the table That is precisely what happens.
Weak investment is the signature feature and cause of the abysmal Obama "recovery." The aggregate of all investments in the United States is Net Private Domestic Investment computed by the Bureau of Economic Analysis. Relative to GDP Net Private Domestic Investment (NPDI) was 7% per year from1960 to 2008. That average was 7 to 8 percent from 1960 to 1990, and 6.5 percent in the Clinton and Bush (W) years. But for the Obama years NPDI was an astoundingly low 2% of GDP!
Every single Obama year but 2015 was worse than any year from 1960 to his inauguration. This isn't bad luck. If nothing changed in the economy, the likelihood of having a period as bad as Obama’s just by chance was 1 out of 1000.
The numbers for GDP and NPDI are interesting but still just lifeless statistics. The human toll is terrible. This comes in the form of teary-eyed parents telling their children there may not be much of a vacation this year or next and there may not be many gifts under the Christmas tree this year.
Horribly low investment is the predictable result of taxing investment and income at high rates. This terrible economic performance will continue until income and investment taxes are slashed. The government can still raise needed revenue with a broad base approach, eliminating all the special deductions and credits and allowing very low rates.
On the other hand, the sharply higher rates, a veritable bonanza of complexity for tax lawyers, and thousands more special deals in the proposals of President Obama's anointed successor, Hillary Clinton, will predictably entrench lackluster investment and stagnant incomes.
Obama Economy
Obama And The Dem's Dismal Recovery
The Obama recovery of the last seven years remains the worst in postwar American history. Average gross domestic product (GDP) growth since the bottom of the recession in 2009 was barely above 2.1% per year. The average since 1949 is well above 4% per year during the previous 10 expansions.
This result is not just bad, it is catastrophic. The average American should not be wondering if his or her income is a bit above or below 2007 levels. Just by historical averages, the average American should be 20% better off than in 2007. And this slow growth is settling in as a permanent new-abnormal.
I believe the root cause of abysmal growth is the huge tax increases imposed by Obama and the Democrats in Congress since 2008. The most harmful were the increase in the capital gains tax from 15 to 20 percent, the increase in top bracket income from 35 to 39.6 percent, and the new tax of 3.8 percent on investment income in the Affordable Care Act (ACA). The massive increase in regulatory burden through the ACA and Dodd-Frank bills are also crushing, but unfortunately are harder to measure.
The 13.4 percentage point tax increases mentioned above (plus higher state and local taxes) directly lower expected returns on all investments by the same amount. Our government grabs the fruits of investment, and then is puzzled that businesses do not invest. This causes billions of dollars of investment projects to come off the table That is precisely what happens.
Weak investment is the signature feature and cause of the abysmal Obama "recovery." The aggregate of all investments in the United States is Net Private Domestic Investment computed by the Bureau of Economic Analysis. Relative to GDP Net Private Domestic Investment (NPDI) was 7% per year from1960 to 2008. That average was 7 to 8 percent from 1960 to 1990, and 6.5 percent in the Clinton and Bush (W) years. But for the Obama years NPDI was an astoundingly low 2% of GDP!
Every single Obama year but 2015 was worse than any year from 1960 to his inauguration. This isn't bad luck. If nothing changed in the economy, the likelihood of having a period as bad as Obama’s just by chance was 1 out of 1000.
The numbers for GDP and NPDI are interesting but still just lifeless statistics. The human toll is terrible. This comes in the form of teary-eyed parents telling their children there may not be much of a vacation this year or next and there may not be many gifts under the Christmas tree this year.
Horribly low investment is the predictable result of taxing investment and income at high rates. This terrible economic performance will continue until income and investment taxes are slashed. The government can still raise needed revenue with a broad base approach, eliminating all the special deductions and credits and allowing very low rates.
On the other hand, the sharply higher rates, a veritable bonanza of complexity for tax lawyers, and thousands more special deals in the proposals of President Obama's anointed successor, Hillary Clinton, will predictably entrench lackluster investment and stagnant incomes.
Obama Economy
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you bet.The words are all there....every one of them comes out of Barry's mouth...you just get a different spin when (if) reported by the ObamaFanNetwork(s).
How you choose to hear them is totally up to you.
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timschochet
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It was Forbes.
But it’s an intellectually dishonest article, which anybody who really thinks about it can figure out in two seconds, because the economy that Obama took over was so poor to begin with.
There ARE arguments to be made against Obama’s handling of the economy. There are also arguments to be made in favor of of Trump’s handling the economy. (I posted one last night.) A lot depends on your view of how things should be run: should we plan for short term or long term? Should we sacrifice short term gains in order to protect the environment? Should we also sacrifice short term gains in order to responsibly pay for government spending rather than just increase our amount of borrowing?
These aren’t easy questions and thoughtful people are going to disagree. But based on his posting history, you’re not going to get a thoughtful response from the person you responded to.
If this is the case...then I guess that the results would be the final word?
Obama had eight years culminating with little or no results....President Trump is in his second year. I guess we'll have the final word in 2024?
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game over....the race card has been played.
Any post, from this point on, has been rendered moot.
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jamny
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I will take this as being directed at me since I brought up the "condescending" remark. First off, DO NOT ever accuse me of racism. Period.
The rest of your statement is ridiculous as well. I have no insecurities about people that are more intelligent than I am. In fact, I admire them. I also don't deny that Obama is far more intelligent than Trump. Trump is an embarrassment in how little he chooses to educate himself on important matters. He is simplistic in his speeches because he doesn't have a depth of understanding about most subjects. IMO, Obama comes off as condescending on many occasions as if he thinks of himself as better than anyone in the room. It's a speech pattern, a delivery and a style. Along with my VO work, I also am an AV tech for corporate events. I have seen hundreds of speeches in my 25 years in the business, from Presidents to bank CEOs to celebrities to leaders in every industry, as well as the low to mid level execs. Without even listening to the content, you can tell a lot about the person from their speaking style. If you can't see how Obama could turn people off and Trump can lift others up, content be damned, you aren't paying attention.
