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I sure wish I could find a source for the KFFL tidbit. If true, Landon Johnson gets a big, fat downgrade.Bengals | Thurman Projected Starter at MLB - from www.KFFL.comWed, 8 Jun 2005 12:53:06 -0700Geoff Hobson, of Bengals.com, reports Cincinnati Bengals rookie LB Odell Thurman appears headed to the starting lineup, according to head coach Marvin Lewis. Thurman would start at the middle linebacker position.

 
Guess Nate Webster isn't doing so good with his recovery. I just picked up Thurman in my dynasty league so I hope the information is true.

 
I got Thurman as the 6th LB in my dynasty draft. They are going to regret passing on him. I had him as my number one LB.From blogger:June 8, 2005, 15:36 Bengals :: DL, LBOLB Pollack and MLB Thurman Heading To Starting LineupGeoff Hobson, Bengals.com - [Full Article]Bengals' coach Marvin Lewis said the club’s first two draft picks, left outside linebacker David Pollack and middle linebacker Odell Thurman, are headed to the starting lineup. Second-year middle linebacker Landon Johnsn is still rehabbing an injured shoulder. "It would surprise me if both are not first day starters. Nobody is ahead of (Thurman) right now. Everybody else is losing ground," said Lewis.

 
:wall: DAMN! I was tossing around either Thurman or Vernand Morency for the 14th pick in the 2nd round and took Morency. needless to say, Thurman went right after my pick. :wall:
 
:wall: DAMN! I was tossing around either Thurman or Vernand Morency for the 14th pick in the 2nd round and took Morency. needless to say, Thurman went right after my pick. :wall:
umm, if morency becomes the main back for houston, he will be worth considerably more than thurman could ever be worth. no need to :wall: just yet. if morency is a bust :wall: away, but in that case, it doesnt matter who you passed on for him.
 
:wall:   DAMN!  I was tossing around either Thurman or Vernand Morency for the 14th pick in the 2nd round and took Morency.  needless to say, Thurman went right after my pick.  :wall:
umm, if morency becomes the main back for houston, he will be worth considerably more than thurman could ever be worth. no need to :wall: just yet. if morency is a bust :wall: away, but in that case, it doesnt matter who you passed on for him.
They havent even been in pads yet. Every year you hear how good a rookie looks early on then he puts pads on and cant do the same things. Wait a few weeks to see if he is still the #1 guy. I think he is way over-hyped right now. I have him in 2 leagues and will probably deal him if the offers get a little better.
 
I have him in 2 leagues and will probably deal him if the offers get a little better.
That would be a big mistake. This guy is the real deal. If not for off field concerns he is a first round talent close to the level of a Vilma. He will be a stud and believe me he'll look good when the hitting starts.
 
In my SFL thread, I passed on Thurman for Erasmus James.
Your IDP scoring is extremely slanted to sacks and int's. On top of that your DE's are terrible.
True, but my LBs suck, too. I just need to hear some good news on James and I'm sure I'll be fine. :bag:
 
True, but my LBs suck, too. I just need to hear some good news on James and I'm sure I'll be fine. :bag:
2nd first round pick Erasmus James saw time with the first unit defense today as well. The young DE drew the large order of trying to escape the clutches of Viking left tackle Bryant McKinney. James was thwarted on his every attempt, a “welcome to the big leagues” that I’m sure every rookie must at some point face, but his quickness off the ball is noteworthy. It will be fun to watch the development of the former Badger when the team makes its way to Mankato this summer.
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. I have been asked about the development of many players, but perhaps none more so than 2nd-year DE Kenechi Udeze. Udeze will obviously be a starter at end this year and has looked extremely fast and very comfortable in drills with the first team defense. The most striking thing about Kenechi in developmental camp so far is his overall size. At 6’ 3” and 281 pounds, Kenechi looks leaner and stronger this year
 
Thurman is talented and should get in on alot of tackles. His charactor and coverage skills are questionable. Coach Lewis should help with immaturity. May not play in nickel packages and not likley to be on the field in dime. If Cincy's offense can be explosive, could cost him alot of opportunities.

 
Lewis is saying Pollack is a starter too. I wouldn't wet my pants just yet, but I am starting to prance around a little.

 
Go ahead and do a jig. Bengals.com has a big story on this today. I tried to pull it up, but that site must be having a problem because it won't come up.Anyway if I remember it said Thurman will be on the field a lot - I think it referenced the nickel. I'm sure you can pull up the story later.

 
If Cincy's offense can be explosive, could cost him alot of opportunities.
I wouldn't be downgrading any IDPs based on the possibility that the Bungles' offense might be "explosive"...
 
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If Cincy's offense can be explosive, could cost him alot of opportunities.
I wouldn't be downgrading any IDPs based on the possibility that the Bungles' offense might be "explosive"...
True, but these aren't the same Bungles. They look to be headed in the right direction. On the flip side, if Cincy offense can live up to hype, teams will try and control the clock and Thurman could put up some very nice numbers. Playing Baltimore and Pittsburgh twice a year is a big plus.

 
espn's len pasquarelli covered thurman in this week's tip sheet..."Judging from the verbal bouquets being tossed around by Marvin Lewis, it appears second-round draft choice Odell Thurman will be the Cincinnati Bengals' fourth different starting middle linebacker on opening day in the last four years. He'll also be the fifth different starting MLB overall – Kevin Hardy all of 2003, then Nate Webster, Caleb Miller and Landon Johnson in 2004 – under Lewis' stewardship. Lewis said this week he will be surprised if Thurman and former Georgia teammate and first-round pick David Pollack aren't in the Bengals' opening day lineup at two of the linebacker spots. The sudden ascension of Thurman, who might actually be further along the learning curve than Pollack (who is making the transition from college defensive end), should not be that surprising. Most scouts felt Thurman possessed some of the top pure football skills in the 2005 draft class and he always played with great instinct and intensity. But the reality is that most teams do not invest first-round choices on middle linebackers, and that Thurman's off-field problems at Georgia probably conspired to keep him out of the top round. Still, plenty of personnel people realized that, in terms of a terrific football player, the Bengals got a steal by grabbing Thurman with the 48th overall selection. Lewis' flattering words about Thurman this week only confirmed that. The new defense installed by first-year coordinator Chuck Bresnahan is similar to the one in which Thurman played at Georgia, and that, too, has helped. It doesn't hurt, either, that Thurman has an undeniable presence and an air of confidence. The unsolicited concession by Lewis that Pollack and Thurman likely will be starters is further indication that he is anything but reluctant to use young players. And why not? In Lewis' first two seasons, the Cincinnati defense statically ranked 28th (in 2003) and 19th (in 2004) overall, and 25th and 26th versus the run, respectively. Sometimes you're just better off putting kids on the field and allowing them to grow, even if it means an aggressive mistake, right? Of the team's projected starters on defense for 2005, the Bengals figure to have a pair of second-year veterans (right end Robert Geathers and free safety Madieu Williams) along with Pollack and Thurman. The defensive lineup probably will have just two players – weak-side linebacker Brian Simmons and right corner Tory James – starting at the spots they did for Lewis' regular-season debut in 2003."

 
I was stoked getting Thurman with 10th pick in the 4th round last month. My first 3 picks were Carnell Williams, Matt Jones and Charlie Frye...

 
I got Thurman with the 3.08 pick ( am an thrilled) - 16 teams - the 1st week in MayMy 1st picks were Ronnie Brown, Aaron Rodgers, Charlie Frye and Reggie Brown. (2 1st and 2nd round picks). Picked up Chris Henry in the 4th along with Albert Fincher so I'm felling pretty good with my picks according to all the good news out there about Thurmon and Fincher and Henry.

 
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Well, in 16 Team HAFA Rookie Drafts, Thurman is going around 1.12 pick so it's good to see this report as I took him at 1.12 too! Picked up JJ Arrington, Thurman, Reggie Brown and Barrett Ruud! I am very pleased with this! In some reports I recall from March/April, Thurman was compared to the other top LB picks (D Johnson & C Crowder). Thurman was said to be physically best suited for MLB and if not for his OFF FIELD issues, would have been considered a Top 10 pick in the NFL Draft.I believe his value is more geared to the fact that they are developing a young corp of solid players to build the defense around. They have already done that on Offense (CJ, TJ, Rudi & Palmer).I like the direction that Cinn is taking in returning this franchise to a winning contender!

 
Bengals | Rookie LBs Getting Lessons From LloydWed, 15 Jun 2005 20:34:16 -0700Geoff Hobson, of Bengals.com, reports Cincinnati Bengals head coach Marvin Lewis has asked retired DE Greg Lloyd to come to Cincinnati and work with rookie LBs Odell Thurman and David Pollack a little bit on mentor-consulting basis. "In Odell, there are certain traits, just like with Ray Lewis there were certain traits," Marvin Lewis. "The magnetism of a Greg Lloyd. The ability to overcome obstacles and play football at a very, very high level. That's very similar to Greg."More interesting tidbits to pass along. Seems interesting that a DE is mentoring the linebackers?

 
i think the article meant he was a collegiate DE who smoothly made transition to pro LB (i think he was all pro)... the steelers have been doing this for years... guys like jason gildon, joey porter, mike vrabel... this would seem to hold more relevance for polllack (all-american DE at georgia making switch to SLB) than thurman at MLB. lloyd was also noteworthy for being a blackbelt... i don't know if it was as common then... i also remember it being said of herschell walker, joey browner, andre tippett, keith byars.

god help thurman if he goofs off & doesn't study hard enuf...

http://www.nysportsexpress.com/2/13/thefront/theblotter.cfm

talk about getting scared straight... he might get scared crooked! :)

 
i think the article meant he was a collegiate DE who smoothly made transition to pro LB (i think he was all pro)... the steelers have been doing this for years... guys like jason gildon, joey porter, mike vrabel...
alonzo jackson... nathaniel adibi... :no: but this has definitely become the trend now - merriman is the latest example, although his transition is still on hold until he shows up to practice. undersized DEs make great 3-4 OLBs. dan cody and matt roth may also make this switch. terrell suggs has to an extent...

 
i think the article meant he was a collegiate DE who smoothly made transition to pro LB (i think he was all pro)... the steelers have been doing this for years... guys like jason gildon, joey porter, mike vrabel... this would seem to hold more relevance for polllack (all-american DE at georgia making switch to SLB) than thurman at MLB. lloyd was also noteworthy for being a blackbelt... i don't know if it was as common then... i also remember it being said of herschell walker, joey browner, andre tippett, keith byars.

god help thurman if he goofs off & doesn't study hard enuf...

http://www.nysportsexpress.com/2/13/thefront/theblotter.cfm

talk about getting scared straight... he might get scared crooked! :)
I should hope that his mentoring is all football and nothing personal :no:
 
i think the article meant he was a collegiate DE who smoothly made transition to pro LB (i think he was all pro)... the steelers have been doing this for years... guys like jason gildon, joey porter, mike vrabel...
alonzo jackson... nathaniel adibi... :no: but this has definitely become the trend now - merriman is the latest example, although his transition is still on hold until he shows up to practice. undersized DEs make great 3-4 OLBs. dan cody and matt roth may also make this switch. terrell suggs has to an extent...
the highest pick in this draft... demarcus ware...peter boulware.

suggs gets to put his hand on the ground again this year.

some guys may not have what it takes to make the switch... brayton looked like a fish out of water & badly miscast as a a 3-4 OLB, whereas he has flashed potential that we would be a very good 4-3 DE if they would let him focus & develope from his more natural DE position, from which his aptitudes & skill set seem better fitted.

leonard little is example of collegiate LB & DE who bulked up from 235 to 260, retaining most (all?) of his original 4.4 speed.

jevon kearse played some safety in college (& still sometimes looks like he could run stride for stride with TO if needed), had the speed of a CB (4.4) but plays DE... i think i read that in the super bowl, he played at under 240... you have to be an incredible athlete to not be a liability in run game... i'm guessing he generally tries to avoid getting wired onto a mauling jamaal brown-type OT. he looks like he has the athleticism that he could play a 3-4 OLB if called upon... but that would probably be a misuse of his incredible DE skills... before his foot & ankle injuries slowed his momentum, he looked like a HOFer out of the gate his first 3-4 seasons.

i forget if the late derrick thomas was a college DE... he was one of best rushing LBs ever (has NFL record i think with 8 sacks in a game), but was at times a liability in run defense... i guess this can be schemed around.

LT was an awesome blitzing OLB who redfined his position & who some think was the best OLB ever. he was more than a rush backer, and had no problem gobbling up RBs & WRs as well as QBs.

 
I think the article meant he was a collegiate DE who smoothly made transition to pro LB (i think he was all pro)... the steelers have been doing this for years... guys like jason gildon, joey porter, mike vrabel...
Lindy's and either Pro Football Weekly or Street and Smith's preseason NFL magazines have very interesting articles on the history of the 3-4. Believe it or not the Steelers have opted to use that formation both out of on and off field needs. The articles determine the 3-4 is less expensive to build via the draft and maintain in the current FA/salary cap era. 4-3 ends are hard to find and harder to employee. 3-4 LB are not as much of a burden on the cap and are easier to replace and or locate. Lindy's article is awesome and worth a read.Did not mean to get off topic but you IDP folks would appreciate each of those articles.

 
Nothing but good news coming out of camp for Odell ThurmanBengals | Thurman Still with the First TeamMon, 20 Jun 2005 06:04:17 -0700--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Mark Curnutte, of the Cincinnati Enquirer, reports Cincinnati Bengals rookie LB Odell Thurman is still the team's starting middle linebacker. Thurman said he knows what he is supposed to do on paper in the classroom and that the challenge remains to learn his assignments thoroughly enough to perform them at high speed on the field. "I'm confident, though," Thurman said.

 

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