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Odell Thurman's Reinstatement DENIED! (1 Viewer)

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(KFFL) The Cincinnati Bengals announce the NFL has notified the team that LB Odell Thurman's petition for reinstatement has been denied by the office of the commissioner. Thurman will have the opportunity to reapply for reinstatement following the 2007 season.

I did not expect that.

 
Holy f'ing crap I was not expecting that!! WOW, Goodell is really a hardass! I came this close to drafting him at 6.1 in my dynasty league. :shrug:

 
The NFL's target date for ruling on Thurman's reinstatement was July 11, but the waiting continues two weeks later.

"When you go to court, the judge decides when he's going to say what he has to say," Brown said. "We're just going to wait until the commissioner and his people feel it's time to say it.

"I don't know what all they're considering or why their schedule is what it is. We do know they're aware of the timetable we're on. That'll be part of what they have in mind as they make their decision."

Pretty sure Goddell is using Thurman to make a statement. Anyways, Thurman's career is most likely over imo. Out of football for two years.

 
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there has to be more to the story. seems to me the guy "severd his time".

so basically he gets 2 years for 2/3 (not sure exactly how many he had) substance abuse infractions.

pacman, henry, and tank did more and got less and i doubt they wouldn't get reinstated if they served

their suspension and met all the requirements. i don't know if the Player Assoc. can say much but it

seems like if they can, this would be a time when they should.

i would say his career is pretty much over. if he was on the team, and had that structure/support around him

i feel like he would have a good chance of staying out of trouble. now, out on his own again, my guess would be

he would have a hard time staying clean. plus, i doubt too many players can take 2 years off from the game and

still come back and be much of a player. the guy was fun to watch in his one year.

 
CINCINNATI -- Odell Thurman's petition for reinstatement was denied Thursday by NFL commissioner Roger Goodell, who decided that the Cincinnati Bengals middle linebacker should miss another season because of his ongoing problems.

Thurman was suspended for all of last season after skipping a drug test and later being arrested for drunken driving. He asked Goodell to reinstate him for the 2007 season, but was turned down.

Thurman will be allowed to ask for reinstatement again following the season.

Goodell's decision leaves the Bengals with two suspended players as they open training camp. Receiver Chris Henry also will miss the first eight games for repeatedly violating the league's conduct policy.

The Bengals are the league's prime example of misconduct, with 10 players arrested over a 14-month span.

Thurman led the Bengals in tackles as a rookie in 2005, but was suspended for the first four games of last season after skipping a drug test. The suspension was extended to a full season after he was arrested for drunken driving in September.

Copyright 2007 by The Associated Press

 
bigcorn said:
there has to be more to the story. seems to me the guy "severd his time".

so basically he gets 2 years for 2/3 (not sure exactly how many he had) substance abuse infractions.

pacman, henry, and tank did more and got less and i doubt they wouldn't get reinstated if they served

their suspension and met all the requirements. i don't know if the Player Assoc. can say much but it

seems like if they can, this would be a time when they should.

i would say his career is pretty much over. if he was on the team, and had that structure/support around him

i feel like he would have a good chance of staying out of trouble. now, out on his own again, my guess would be

he would have a hard time staying clean. plus, i doubt too many players can take 2 years off from the game and

still come back and be much of a player. the guy was fun to watch in his one year.
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Didn't he have a DUI or some such violation after the initial suspension was handed down? I don't know the exact timeline of when he's done what compared to the suspensions, but I'm guessing the commish is saying you've got to be squeaky clean for at least a full year before we bring you back.And I'm pretty sure he's had at least 3 infractions, fwiw.

ETA: I see above, his last known infraction was in sept. last year. I'm guessing Roger doesn't want him back until he's been clean and sober for a minimum 12 months. Although the "ongoing problems" is rather ominous.

 
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Mungo Burrows said:
bigcorn said:
there has to be more to the story. seems to me the guy "severd his time".

so basically he gets 2 years for 2/3 (not sure exactly how many he had) substance abuse infractions.

pacman, henry, and tank did more and got less and i doubt they wouldn't get reinstated if they served

their suspension and met all the requirements. i don't know if the Player Assoc. can say much but it

seems like if they can, this would be a time when they should.

i would say his career is pretty much over. if he was on the team, and had that structure/support around him

i feel like he would have a good chance of staying out of trouble. now, out on his own again, my guess would be

he would have a hard time staying clean. plus, i doubt too many players can take 2 years off from the game and

still come back and be much of a player. the guy was fun to watch in his one year.
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Didn't he have a DUI or some such violation after the initial suspension was handed down? I don't know the exact timeline of when he's done what compared to the suspensions, but I'm guessing the commish is saying you've got to be squeaky clean for at least a full year before we bring you back.And I'm pretty sure he's had at least 3 infractions, fwiw.
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Thurman was suspended by the NFL for the first four games in 2006 after skipping a drug test, but that ban was extended to a full season following his arrest for a DUI in September.
 
I'm not a Bengals fan but if I were I would be pretty pissed. Not only did you waste a high draft pick but the guy has been out 1 full year and it seemed like Marvin was content with him resuming his career. I agree though that his career is pretty much over at this point. Maybe Gene Upshaw can jump in but until then I think its a wrap.

Edit: Maybe the incident with the punching of the two guys that never made it to court has something to do with this.

 
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Roger.Goodell2@nfl.net Telephone #: 1-212-450-2000 or (212) 450-2027

Let him know how we feel.

Be sure to ask why Joey Porter gets off with nothing, and our players get two years for what as of this point is a nearly year old DUI. Crimes against Bengals players is ok, but crimes by Bengals players warrants unprecedented suspensions?

Im so pissed right now

 
bigcorn said:
there has to be more to the story. seems to me the guy "severd his time".so basically he gets 2 years for 2/3 (not sure exactly how many he had) substance abuse infractions.pacman, henry, and tank did more and got less and i doubt they wouldn't get reinstated if they servedtheir suspension and met all the requirements. i don't know if the Player Assoc. can say much but itseems like if they can, this would be a time when they should.i would say his career is pretty much over. if he was on the team, and had that structure/support around himi feel like he would have a good chance of staying out of trouble. now, out on his own again, my guess would behe would have a hard time staying clean. plus, i doubt too many players can take 2 years off from the game andstill come back and be much of a player. the guy was fun to watch in his one year.
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pacman did not do more
 
Totally in line with the harsh slap across the knuckles he gave Porter, recently.

Nice consistency Goodell.

If it's like this going forward fine, but somehow I doubt it. Much easier to make an example of a Thurman than supposedly no priors Vick.

This is crap unless there is more to the story that isn't being shown.

-QG

 
Feel much better about dropping him in a Dynasty league when the party/fight thing went down a couple of months ago. If you're at a party at 3am and there are "allegations" of fistfights and drug use, you still have some issues to work out. Too bad though.

 
No doubt Thurman is an idiot, but I don't see how this helps him, assuming the NFL really cares about giving him another chance. I agree, there has to be more to this - other reports of misbehaving that never got made public, probably.

 
Chaos Commish said:
A valid explanation from Goodell seems in order, or he'll soon find the fans of his strict approach being turned off.
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:confused:At least the appearance of consistency is important. Dropping Jared Allen's suspension to two games after two DUIs in one calendar year and extending Thurman's (with only three known violations) to a minimum of two seasons seems incongruent if there's not more to the Thurman story than "he was out at a party at 3am with the potential for trouble."
 
Jene Bramel said:
Chaos Commish said:
A valid explanation from Goodell seems in order, or he'll soon find the fans of his strict approach being turned off.
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:lmao:At least the appearance of consistency is important. Dropping Jared Allen's suspension to two games after two DUIs in one calendar year and extending Thurman's (with only three known violations) to a minimum of two seasons seems incongruent if there's not more to the Thurman story than "he was out at a party at 3am with the potential for trouble."
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:lmao: I think consistancy is the most important factor when dealing with/discipling people.
 
So I assume Chris Henry will not be back either this year. My guess is that Odell was on fence for being reinstated, but the Michael Vick thing forced Goddell to be a hard ###. Not that Odell didn't deserve it, he put himself in this position.

As long as Goddell is consistent fine. I would rather clean up all the thugs. But tha includes Porter, Ray Lewis, etc.

***I am Bengals homer, so I am disappointed as well. But we will move on.

 
Jene Bramel said:
Chaos Commish said:
A valid explanation from Goodell seems in order, or he'll soon find the fans of his strict approach being turned off.
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:lmao: At least the appearance of consistency is important. Dropping Jared Allen's suspension to two games after two DUIs in one calendar year and extending Thurman's (with only three known violations) to a minimum of two seasons seems incongruent if there's not more to the Thurman story than "he was out at a party at 3am with the potential for trouble."
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Jared Allen vs. Odell Thurman. Interesting, I'm not even going to say anything but I'm sure we all notice Allen gets off easy and he's different in one way than Thurman, Vick, Pacman, Henry...... :unsure:
 
If he does this with Thurman he may order Vick's head chopped off.

At least I know Brooks has definately clinched the MLB spot.

 
Keith Lewis said:
Jene Bramel said:
Chaos Commish said:
A valid explanation from Goodell seems in order, or he'll soon find the fans of his strict approach being turned off.
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:rolleyes: At least the appearance of consistency is important. Dropping Jared Allen's suspension to two games after two DUIs in one calendar year and extending Thurman's (with only three known violations) to a minimum of two seasons seems incongruent if there's not more to the Thurman story than "he was out at a party at 3am with the potential for trouble."
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Jared Allen vs. Odell Thurman. Interesting, I'm not even going to say anything but I'm sure we all notice Allen gets off easy and he's different in one way than Thurman, Vick, Pacman, Henry...... :hophead:
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:rolleyes:
 
Let's see how this works...

Be caught on piss test for ??? and get caught with DUI = 2 years suspension

Cause more illegall mischief (10 seperate incidents) than one police station can handle = 1 year suspension...oh, maybe come back week 10

Get caught with DUI = have 4 game suspension lowered to 2

Have your crew and you jump & beat up another player = Only fined money

Have superstar player indicted by fed's = wait and see, tell franchise that they can't discipline him or even cut him

Goodell's method to the madness! Stay tunned for more non-consistant decisions to be made soon...

 
NorrisB said:
Roger.Goodell2@nfl.net Telephone #: 1-212-450-2000 or (212) 450-2027Let him know how we feel.Be sure to ask why Joey Porter gets off with nothing, and our players get two years for what as of this point is a nearly year old DUI. Crimes against Bengals players is ok, but crimes by Bengals players warrants unprecedented suspensions?Im so pissed right now
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I called him and said "Job well done". :D ty for the link
 
BigSteelThrill said:
NorrisB said:
Roger.Goodell2@nfl.net Telephone #: 1-212-450-2000 or (212) 450-2027Let him know how we feel.Be sure to ask why Joey Porter gets off with nothing, and our players get two years for what as of this point is a nearly year old DUI. Crimes against Bengals players is ok, but crimes by Bengals players warrants unprecedented suspensions?Im so pissed right now
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I called him and said "Job well done". :hot: ty for the link
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:D
 
Bizkiteer said:
Let's see how this works...

Be caught on piss test for ??? and get caught with DUI = 2 years suspension

Cause more illegall mischief (10 seperate incidents) than one police station can handle = 1 year suspension...oh, maybe come back week 10

Get caught with DUI = have 4 game suspension lowered to 2

Have your crew and you jump & beat up another player = Only fined money

Have superstar player indicted by fed's = wait and see, tell franchise that they can't discipline him or even cut him

Goodell's method to the madness! Stay tunned for more non-consistant decisions to be made soon...
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Jared Allen had 2 DUIs in one playing year. There is also talk that he has fallen off the wagon at the KC Chiefs forums, this one may blow up in Goodells face soon.
 
Folks who are raising the issue of inconsistency certainly appear to have a good case, and I'm not one to argue with it b/c I have no other evidence that contradicts it. But I would like to delve more into the previously suggested possibility of Goodell knowing more...

In any workplace, the people in an around it know more than folks on the outside, even the media. The NFL is probably the same, meaning Goodell likely has access to additional info/stories about players and their behavior. It's probably not the sort of thing that would make a court case fly, but like any employer, he has the right to use his discretion when it comes to hiring/firing/suspending employees. Meanwhile, it wouldn't surprise me at all if Goodell was using other means, like private investigators, to more closely follow players like Thurman to see if/how they've cleaned up their act. I'm not saying that's cool, and it kind of sets off my fascist alarm bells, but the league is in a PR crisis right now and I can see why Goodell would be willing to go to extra measure to genuinely clean up the league. If he reinstated a guy who then got into trouble again 6 months later, he'd take a hit, which is something I imagine he wants to avoid.

Why wouldn't Goodell make the addt'l info more public? For the same reason as above -- because he wants to avoid another black eye. He's not inclined to tell more stories of players screwing up when there are too many floating around as it is. But I would bet he would act on the info he had, even if he didn't/couldn't/won't share it.

So he sure looks inconsistent, and maybe there's no other info out there. But I kinda suspect there is, and that maybe he's simply refusing to let guys who could stain the image of the league back into the fold.

Except Porter for some reason. :confused:

 
Pittsburgh United said:
BigSteelThrill said:
NorrisB said:
Roger.Goodell2@nfl.net Telephone #: 1-212-450-2000 or (212) 450-2027Let him know how we feel.Be sure to ask why Joey Porter gets off with nothing, and our players get two years for what as of this point is a nearly year old DUI. Crimes against Bengals players is ok, but crimes by Bengals players warrants unprecedented suspensions?Im so pissed right now
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I called him and said "Job well done". :cry: ty for the link
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:thumbup:
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Sounds about right coming from Steeler fans. :excited: As for the ongoing suspension, I think the Bengals can turn this into a positive. They should rally around the fact that the trouble makers are out of the way and can no longer be a distratcion. This means othe players are being given the opportunity to exceed expectations and earn a starting job. That should allow that team to focus on the task at hand.
 
Sorry FM, but Goodell has done a damn fine job thus far.

People are complaining about the possible specifics, when they dont know anything about the specifics.

Marc Faletti made a very good post above you. Each case has its own specific merits.

 
BigSteelThrill said:
Sorry FM, but Goodell has done a damn fine job thus far.

People are complaining about the possible specifics, when they dont know anything about the specifics.

Marc Faletti made a very good post above you. Each case has its own specific merits.
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It's all good. I don't have any problem with with the suspension. Bottom line is Thurman put himself in this position. Goodell is just doing his job and I'm fine with it. I can support holding players accountable to the NFL standards. I do hope a sense of fairness prevails however for the good of the process.As for the Bengals moving on, I hope they use this in a positive way. You know, to kick some Steeler butt. :excited:

 
Mr. Bill O said:
This is good for the league <_< Now let's see how many players break the law with their money and future on the line. The kid gloves are off.
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Well we have seen it. Jared Allen's gets two games for basicly the same crap that Thurman did. two times against a the drug policy. and Allen gets two games and Thurman gets two years?And lets not forget about Joey Porter who assulted a person and he gets a fine. Had he assulted a dog he would of been suspended? So that is the problem with what the commish has done.
 
greenroom said:
Mr. Bill O said:
This is good for the league :moneybag: Now let's see how many players break the law with their money and future on the line. The kid gloves are off.
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Well we have seen it. Jared Allen's gets two games for basicly the same crap that Thurman did. two times against a the drug policy. and Allen gets two games and Thurman gets two years?And lets not forget about Joey Porter who assulted a person and he gets a fine. Had he assulted a dog he would of been suspended? So that is the problem with what the commish has done.
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Joey's dogs kill horses, not other dogs.
 
Pittsburgh United said:
Family Matters said:
As for the Bengals moving on, I hope they use this in a positive way. You know, to kick some Steeler butt. :excited:
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Yup. Since 1991, their record against the Steelers is 9-23. :excited: :thumbup:
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Enjoy the past my friend. I'm looking forward to this year. No doubt you are a bit nervous. New coach. New coordinators. A few lost players. Players and coaches with their own off field issues. It will be interesting to see how well they handle adversity. :hifive:
 
Pittsburgh United said:
BigSteelThrill said:
NorrisB said:
Roger.Goodell2@nfl.net Telephone #: 1-212-450-2000 or (212) 450-2027Let him know how we feel.Be sure to ask why Joey Porter gets off with nothing, and our players get two years for what as of this point is a nearly year old DUI. Crimes against Bengals players is ok, but crimes by Bengals players warrants unprecedented suspensions?Im so pissed right now
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I called him and said "Job well done". :pickle: ty for the link
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:lmao:
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:pickle:
 
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