Off Season Buy Low Canidates (1 Viewer)

[dmac37]

QB

Schaub- I just think the Texan team and offense are ready to take off and he could be a top 5 QB.

RB

Graham & Hillis- both of these guys are in a good situation. Hillis in a great offense and Graham in a good run offense, both guys are very good receiving RB's and also should get the goal line looks. IMO both have looked great when given the chance and have very little competition.

WR

M. Walker- it's all about the knees with this guy, low risk high reward as Garrard and the o-line should improve in 2009.

TE

Winslow- everybody seems to be down on him now but Quinn was all over him when the two were on the field together and he still has elite talent. If he goes to another team he should still be a monster in PPR.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Wes Welker. Still does not get the credit he deserves in PPR leagues. Still seen as a WR in the 15 range when given his track record and more importantly his game to game consistency should probably be in the 5-10 range. PPR leagues only 5 WRs have outscored him the past two years. He really is the perfect PPR target. Can get him much cheaper than guys like Greg Jennings and Roddy White and he'll put up similar numbers.

 

[gianmarco]

Buy low on Torry Holt. Can be had for peanuts.

 

[Stitch]

Matt Jones. Garrard's go to guy!

 

[Ariakis]

Roy Williams ... He will be their WR1 at some point either this season or next.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Anthony Gonzalez as soon as Harrison is gone. Even if they draft another WR, Gonzo will get WR#2 touches from the slot and from out wide, depending on the formation.

 

[plastik]

I'm gonna say Nate Burleson. As long as he recovers from injury he could be a fantastic value for what you could nab him for.

Another one would be Greg Camarillo. He was on pace for 80 receptions before he got injured this season. As long as Pennington is a Phin in 2009 I think Camarillo could be a PPR STEAL as a WR3.

 

[ChuckLiddell]

I'm gonna say Nate Burleson. As long as he recovers from injury he could be a fantastic value for what you could nab him for.



Another one would be Greg Camarillo. He was on pace for 80 receptions before he got injured this season. As long as Pennington is a Phin in 2009 I think Camarillo could be a PPR STEAL as a WR3.

Camarillo tore up his knee pretty good. I doubt he makes it back by week 1 next year. More like mid season possibly. I have not read this - only speculating. Davonne Bess may be the guy to grab in PPR from the Phins.

 

[comfortably numb]

Buy low on Torry Holt. Can be had for peanuts.

16 team IDP league, Bought him for 1.15

 

[Nagle2998]

Jamarcus Russell- I wasn't a big Russell fan when he came out but he seemed to improve some this year and played well down the stretch. If Davis gets him a real WR he could be a good player to have and you can get him real late.

Pierre Thomas- The guy had 12 Td's last year and will most likely get an increased role this year. We also know it's only a matter of time before Bush goes down and Thomas is the main man.

Lee Evans- Evans had a pretty good year last year and with Edwards getting more experience I think Evans could benefit and have a top 7 Wr year.

 

[Ripleys]

Ocho IF he lands on a new team, and you have the stones to take the risk.

 

[gianmarco]

Lee Evans- Evans had a pretty good year last year and with Edwards getting more experience I think Evans could benefit and have a top 7 Wr year.

Where have I heard this before????.....

 

[MAC_32]

Wes Welker. Still does not get the credit he deserves in PPR leagues. Still seen as a WR in the 15 range when given his track record and more importantly his game to game consistency should probably be in the 5-10 range. PPR leagues only 5 WRs have outscored him the past two years. He really is the perfect PPR target. Can get him much cheaper than guys like Greg Jennings and Roddy White and he'll put up similar numbers.

As a Wes Welker PPR dynasty owner I assure you he is not going anywhere anytime soon. I believe his owners know how valuable he is.

Anthony Gonzalez as soon as Harrison is gone. Even if they draft another WR, Gonzo will get WR#2 touches from the slot and from out wide, depending on the formation.

I don't think Gonzalez gets much of a bump without Harrison, the games Dallas Clark misses though, Gonz is solid.

Pierre Thomas- The guy had 12 Td's last year and will most likely get an increased role this year. We also know it's only a matter of time before Bush goes down and Thomas is the main man.

You think Pierre Thomas owners don't know that? We held onto him this long for a reason.

 

[JohnnyU]

I don't think Gonzalez gets much of a bump without Harrison, the games Dallas Clark misses though, Gonz is solid.

I don't think you can base future performance on past performance. I know for a fact that as time passes and Peyton Manning becomes more comfortable with AG, he will see even more targets, and with Harrison gone that's almost guaranteed. Maybe it will be 3rd in touches behind Wayne and Clark, but that's better than 4th as it is now.

 

[MAC_32]

I don't think Gonzalez gets much of a bump without Harrison, the games Dallas Clark misses though, Gonz is solid.

I don't think you can base future performance on past performance. I know for a fact that as time passes and Peyton Manning becomes more comfortable with AG, he will see even more targets, and with Harrison gone that's almost guaranteed. Maybe it will be 3rd in touches behind Wayne and Clark, but that's better than 4th as it is now.

I'm not taking just past NFL performance into account, I thought Gonz was drafted as a low ceiling possession WR. A better NFL play than fantasy play, nothing's changed in my eyes to change that opinion. I think Indy drafts a WR this year, hopefully not round 1, but round 2 would not surprise me at all. He'll be good as long as he has a solid QB throwing him the ball, but I doubt he'll ever be close to great. I'm not sure how his owners value him right now, but I'd be surprised if it's any lower than as a young WR3 with WR2 potential. I don't think his upside is that much higher than that, if at all, I just don't think he's a buy low.

 

[Nagle2998]

You think Pierre Thomas owners don't know that? We held onto him this long for a reason.

Well I do know a lot of them know that but I still think you can get him for less then he is worth.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

I don't think Gonzalez gets much of a bump without Harrison, the games Dallas Clark misses though, Gonz is solid.

I don't think you can base future performance on past performance. I know for a fact that as time passes and Peyton Manning becomes more comfortable with AG, he will see even more targets, and with Harrison gone that's almost guaranteed. Maybe it will be 3rd in touches behind Wayne and Clark, but that's better than 4th as it is now.

I'm not taking just past NFL performance into account, I thought Gonz was drafted as a low ceiling possession WR. A better NFL play than fantasy play, nothing's changed in my eyes to change that opinion. I think Indy drafts a WR this year, hopefully not round 1, but round 2 would not surprise me at all. He'll be good as long as he has a solid QB throwing him the ball, but I doubt he'll ever be close to great. I'm not sure how his owners value him right now, but I'd be surprised if it's any lower than as a young WR3 with WR2 potential. I don't think his upside is that much higher than that, if at all, I just don't think he's a buy low.

That's exactly what I said his potential was (WR #2 ceiling, or WR #3), which does make him a buy low.ETA: My previous post was under alias JohnnyU, which I was signed into at work.

 

[MAC_32]

I don't think Gonzalez gets much of a bump without Harrison, the games Dallas Clark misses though, Gonz is solid.

I don't think you can base future performance on past performance. I know for a fact that as time passes and Peyton Manning becomes more comfortable with AG, he will see even more targets, and with Harrison gone that's almost guaranteed. Maybe it will be 3rd in touches behind Wayne and Clark, but that's better than 4th as it is now.

I'm not taking just past NFL performance into account, I thought Gonz was drafted as a low ceiling possession WR. A better NFL play than fantasy play, nothing's changed in my eyes to change that opinion. I think Indy drafts a WR this year, hopefully not round 1, but round 2 would not surprise me at all. He'll be good as long as he has a solid QB throwing him the ball, but I doubt he'll ever be close to great. I'm not sure how his owners value him right now, but I'd be surprised if it's any lower than as a young WR3 with WR2 potential. I don't think his upside is that much higher than that, if at all, I just don't think he's a buy low.

That's exactly what I said his potential was (WR #2 ceiling, or WR #3), which does make him a buy low.ETA: My previous post was under alias JohnnyU, which I was signed into at work.

...but if that's how his current owner already values him how does that make him a buy low?

 

[the branded hand]

Jamarcus Russell- I wasn't a big Russell fan when he came out but he seemed to improve some this year and played well down the stretch. If Davis gets him a real WR he could be a good player to have and you can get him real late.

Pierre Thomas- The guy had 12 Td's last year and will most likely get an increased role this year. We also know it's only a matter of time before Bush goes down and Thomas is the main man.

Lee Evans- Evans had a pretty good year last year and with Edwards getting more experience I think Evans could benefit and have a top 7 Wr year.

I really hope that's all it takes. I agree that he's undervalued, but top 7 in the midst of these: Larry Fitzgerald, Andre Johnson, Calvin Johnson, Greg Jennings, Steve Smith, Roddy White, Anquan Boldin, Antonio Bryant, Terrell Owens, Randy Moss, Brandon Marshall, Reggie Wayne, Dwayne Bowe... I'm a fan of Evans, but I'm thinking maybe, on the outside, top 15 this year... fingers crossed. DEFINATELY a buy low though...

Vincent Jackson might still be undervalued by many. He did put up great numbers, but to me he had an understated season. Mostly because the players list above seemed to dominate the highlights last year. I hope he's still around where I normally pick Donald Driver, but that's doubtful... very doubtful.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

I don't think Gonzalez gets much of a bump without Harrison, the games Dallas Clark misses though, Gonz is solid.

I don't think you can base future performance on past performance. I know for a fact that as time passes and Peyton Manning becomes more comfortable with AG, he will see even more targets, and with Harrison gone that's almost guaranteed. Maybe it will be 3rd in touches behind Wayne and Clark, but that's better than 4th as it is now.

I'm not taking just past NFL performance into account, I thought Gonz was drafted as a low ceiling possession WR. A better NFL play than fantasy play, nothing's changed in my eyes to change that opinion. I think Indy drafts a WR this year, hopefully not round 1, but round 2 would not surprise me at all. He'll be good as long as he has a solid QB throwing him the ball, but I doubt he'll ever be close to great. I'm not sure how his owners value him right now, but I'd be surprised if it's any lower than as a young WR3 with WR2 potential. I don't think his upside is that much higher than that, if at all, I just don't think he's a buy low.

That's exactly what I said his potential was (WR #2 ceiling, or WR #3), which does make him a buy low.ETA: My previous post was under alias JohnnyU, which I was signed into at work.

...but if that's how his current owner already values him how does that make him a buy low?

You might find a few owners that are impatient. You know...with it being a "I want it now society".

 

[fruity pebbles]

Wes Welker. Still does not get the credit he deserves in PPR leagues. Still seen as a WR in the 15 range when given his track record and more importantly his game to game consistency should probably be in the 5-10 range. PPR leagues only 5 WRs have outscored him the past two years. He really is the perfect PPR target. Can get him much cheaper than guys like Greg Jennings and Roddy White and he'll put up similar numbers.

As a Wes Welker PPR dynasty owner I assure you he is not going anywhere anytime soon. I believe his owners know how valuable he is.

Anthony Gonzalez as soon as Harrison is gone. Even if they draft another WR, Gonzo will get WR#2 touches from the slot and from out wide, depending on the formation.

I don't think Gonzalez gets much of a bump without Harrison, the games Dallas Clark misses though, Gonz is solid.

Pierre Thomas- The guy had 12 Td's last year and will most likely get an increased role this year. We also know it's only a matter of time before Bush goes down and Thomas is the main man.

You think Pierre Thomas owners don't know that? We held onto him this long for a reason.

You might know Welker's value but not everyone does. For proof just check out the PPR dynasty WR poll going on right now. At WR #8 and he has zero votes.

 

[Somebody]

QB - Tom Brady – I know he is already very expensive but he isn't even in some people's top 5 QBs and he should be IMO. He still has the great supporting cast, many years left in his career and once fully recovered and playing he will cost a lot more than now. He is a true stud and studs like him are almost impossible to get so you should take advantage of any opening to get one. Even though he is still expensive, top players like him normally cost a lot more than what he has been going for lately and often times are simply not available at all.

RB – Larry Johnson – A bunch of you probably won’t agree with this, but I think he has more productive years left in his career than people are giving him credit for. Even though he is 2 years older than Portis, he has 800 or so fewer carries in his career so he doesn’t have the wear and tear you would normally expect from a 29 year old. Also, his age, regardless of his wear and tear, carries a stigma in dynasty leagues and he will remain devalued because of it. If you are a win-now team who needs an extra RB I would look into buying him. He still has the potential to put up a lot of fantasy points for the next few years but he should not cost much at all at this point.

WR – S. Rice – a year ago people were drooling all over him. A year of injuries and horrible QB play later and he seems to have been forgotten. I think he is still very talented and once the Vikings get a better QB, his play on the field will improve significantly. Plus, he is very young – younger than some of this year’s rookies, so he still has plenty of room to grow and mature.

WR – Torry Holt – Similar to LJ, I think Holt has a few more productive years left where he can be a starter for many teams. His trade value is very low right now so now is the time to buy IMO.

WR – J. Hardy – He is going for practically nothing due to an ineffective rookie year and the injury, but he still has tons of potential. WRs generally take some time to develop so the fact that he did nothing last year shouldn’t decrease his value as much as it seems to. Combined with the injury and you can get him for very little. I am going to try to stash him in my dynasty leagues.

 

[LBH]

M.Bush

J.Cotchery

James Jones

Housh

Braylon

Kevin Smith

 

[inzanitee]

QB - Tom Brady – I know he is already very expensive but he isn't even in some people's top 5 QBs and he should be IMO. He still has the great supporting cast, many years left in his career and once fully recovered and playing he will cost a lot more than now. He is a true stud and studs like him are almost impossible to get so you should take advantage of any opening to get one. Even though he is still expensive, top players like him normally cost a lot more than what he has been going for lately and often times are simply not available at all.RB – Larry Johnson – A bunch of you probably won’t agree with this, but I think he has more productive years left in his career than people are giving him credit for. Even though he is 2 years older than Portis, he has 800 or so fewer carries in his career so he doesn’t have the wear and tear you would normally expect from a 29 year old. Also, his age, regardless of his wear and tear, carries a stigma in dynasty leagues and he will remain devalued because of it. If you are a win-now team who needs an extra RB I would look into buying him. He still has the potential to put up a lot of fantasy points for the next few years but he should not cost much at all at this point.WR – S. Rice – a year ago people were drooling all over him. A year of injuries and horrible QB play later and he seems to have been forgotten. I think he is still very talented and once the Vikings get a better QB, his play on the field will improve significantly. Plus, he is very young – younger than some of this year’s rookies, so he still has plenty of room to grow and mature.WR – Torry Holt – Similar to LJ, I think Holt has a few more productive years left where he can be a starter for many teams. His trade value is very low right now so now is the time to buy IMO.WR – J. Hardy – He is going for practically nothing due to an ineffective rookie year and the injury, but he still has tons of potential. WRs generally take some time to develop so the fact that he did nothing last year shouldn’t decrease his value as much as it seems to. Combined with the injury and you can get him for very little. I am going to try to stash him in my dynasty leagues.

I like all of these except James Hardy to a certain extent. Guy was a project before the injury, now his development is going to be pushed back even further. I think it'll take him a while to get up to speed (though if you have the space I guess it's worth a few years wait).LJ i think has 1-2 more years tops of production, but could help you win a championship if he's featured.

 

[the branded hand]

M.Bush

J.Cotchery

James Jones

Housh

Braylon

Kevin Smith - If Detroit addresses their offensive line in this year's draft (1st round) this might be the last year for him to be considered a dynasty buy low. For right now, I'm buyin'!

 

[az_prof]

I wouldn't mind trading for LJ for a couple seasons of production, but I have no idea what is fair trade value for him.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

I wouldn't mind trading for LJ for a couple seasons of production, but I have no idea what is fair trade value for him.

I would say his current value is mid 2nd rounder in a rookie draft.

 

[gorf]

I wouldn't mind trading for LJ for a couple seasons of production, but I have no idea what is fair trade value for him.

I would say his current value is mid 2nd rounder in a rookie draft.

really? i'd say closer to a mid-late 1st rounder.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

I wouldn't mind trading for LJ for a couple seasons of production, but I have no idea what is fair trade value for him.

I would say his current value is mid 2nd rounder in a rookie draft.

really? i'd say closer to a mid-late 1st rounder.

I wouldn't give a 1st rounder for him.

 

[inzanitee]

I wouldn't mind trading for LJ for a couple seasons of production, but I have no idea what is fair trade value for him.

I would say his current value is mid 2nd rounder in a rookie draft.

really? i'd say closer to a mid-late 1st rounder.

I wouldn't give a 1st rounder for him.

No way is anyone going to let LJ go for a mid 2nd rounder. Be stunned if that were what he was really worth. He's easly worth a mid-1st rounder IMO, especially with this draft class being iffy IMO.

 

[happy_donut]

I wouldn't mind trading for LJ for a couple seasons of production, but I have no idea what is fair trade value for him.

I would say his current value is mid 2nd rounder in a rookie draft.

really? i'd say closer to a mid-late 1st rounder.

I wouldn't give a 1st rounder for him.

Are you saying you'd take Crabtree over LJ?

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

I wouldn't mind trading for LJ for a couple seasons of production, but I have no idea what is fair trade value for him.

I would say his current value is mid 2nd rounder in a rookie draft.

really? i'd say closer to a mid-late 1st rounder.

I wouldn't give a 1st rounder for him.

Are you saying you'd take Crabtree over LJ?

Who said I would take Crabtree? Maybe I would take Wells, or Moreno, or McCoy. LJ is very close to SA territory. If not this year, certainly in a couple of years.

 

[billyjoe]

I wouldn't mind trading for LJ for a couple seasons of production, but I have no idea what is fair trade value for him.

I would say his current value is mid 2nd rounder in a rookie draft.

really? i'd say closer to a mid-late 1st rounder.

I wouldn't give a 1st rounder for him.

Are you saying you'd take Crabtree over LJ?

Uh yah, in a second. Dynasty PPR? Are you kidding?

 

[MAC_32]

I wouldn't mind trading for LJ for a couple seasons of production, but I have no idea what is fair trade value for him.

I would say his current value is mid 2nd rounder in a rookie draft.

really? i'd say closer to a mid-late 1st rounder.

I wouldn't give a 1st rounder for him.

No way is anyone going to let LJ go for a mid 2nd rounder. Be stunned if that were what he was really worth. He's easly worth a mid-1st rounder IMO, especially with this draft class being iffy IMO.

If I owned LJ I'd let him go for a top 15 pick, depending what happens between now and the beginning of May I'd be tempted to let him go for cheaper.That said, I've been a big advocate against LJ since pre 07 so my opinion is likely lower than most.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

I wouldn't mind trading for LJ for a couple seasons of production, but I have no idea what is fair trade value for him.

I would say his current value is mid 2nd rounder in a rookie draft.

really? i'd say closer to a mid-late 1st rounder.

I wouldn't give a 1st rounder for him.

Are you saying you'd take Crabtree over LJ?

LJ is worth more to his current owners than what he would bring in a trade. Some have gotten lucky by getting decent value, but most won't.

 

[iowa clubbers]

Any guage on the value of D Ward? I would easily roll the dice on him landing in a starting situation in 2009. If he can be aquired (asap) reasonably, his value will only rise once he signs (unless he signs as a backup, unlikely imo). In another post, AZ and Denver were mentioned as nice fits. I would agree.

 

[the branded hand]

Any guage on the value of D Ward? I would easily roll the dice on him landing in a starting situation in 2009. If he can be aquired (asap) reasonably, his value will only rise once he signs (unless he signs as a backup, unlikely imo). In another post, AZ and Denver were mentioned as nice fits. I would agree.

With ARZ and DEN it would all depend on how much time would be shared. With Rosie at the healm, he's gonna' want starter money AND starter time... it's the best argument for MORE MONEY... Rosie's forte. Arizona and Denver have a lot of cap room, so who knows?I like eefflrat's post from the other thread:

... i think rosenhaus knows there is a market, and I wouldn't expect anything less than a starter's job somewhere. this reminds me a lot of the Chester taylor situation a few years ago.

Link to thread

 

[happy_donut]

I wouldn't mind trading for LJ for a couple seasons of production, but I have no idea what is fair trade value for him.

I would say his current value is mid 2nd rounder in a rookie draft.

really? i'd say closer to a mid-late 1st rounder.

I wouldn't give a 1st rounder for him.

Are you saying you'd take Crabtree over LJ?

Who said I would take Crabtree? Maybe I would take Wells, or Moreno, or McCoy. LJ is very close to SA territory. If not this year, certainly in a couple of years.

Maybe I misunderstood your post? By saying, "I wouldn't give a 1st rounder for him." I thought you meant ANY first rounder--that includes Crabtree. Maybe you meant something else.

 

[happy_donut]

I wouldn't mind trading for LJ for a couple seasons of production, but I have no idea what is fair trade value for him.

I would say his current value is mid 2nd rounder in a rookie draft.

really? i'd say closer to a mid-late 1st rounder.

I wouldn't give a 1st rounder for him.

Are you saying you'd take Crabtree over LJ?

Uh yah, in a second. Dynasty PPR? Are you kidding?

Yeah, I'm kidding Hoss. FWIW, I'm with you.

 

[Couch Potato]

I wouldn't mind trading for LJ for a couple seasons of production, but I have no idea what is fair trade value for him.

I would say his current value is mid 2nd rounder in a rookie draft.

really? i'd say closer to a mid-late 1st rounder.

I wouldn't give a 1st rounder for him.

No way is anyone going to let LJ go for a mid 2nd rounder. Be stunned if that were what he was really worth. He's easly worth a mid-1st rounder IMO, especially with this draft class being iffy IMO.

I got LJ for David Garrard a week ago from a FBG staff member in a PPR dynasty. Reasonable people value players differently.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Maybe I misunderstood your post? By saying, "I wouldn't give a 1st rounder for him." I thought you meant ANY first rounder--that includes Crabtree. Maybe you meant something else.

Correct, I wouldn't give any 1st rounder for him.

 

[happy_donut]

Maybe I misunderstood your post? By saying, "I wouldn't give a 1st rounder for him." I thought you meant ANY first rounder--that includes Crabtree. Maybe you meant something else.

Correct, I wouldn't give any 1st rounder for him.

I'm glad to hear it. I'm sorry that it obviously hurts you to say you'd take Crabtree over anyone, though.

 

[az_prof]

I wouldn't mind trading for LJ for a couple seasons of production, but I have no idea what is fair trade value for him.

I would say his current value is mid 2nd rounder in a rookie draft.

really? i'd say closer to a mid-late 1st rounder.

If I had a mid-second round rookie I would offer it. I wouldn't give up a first round pick until I know more about where he is playing for sure and under what circumstances, and then only a late first rounder. I would not give up a mid first rounder, speaking for myself.

 

[az_prof]

I wouldn't mind trading for LJ for a couple seasons of production, but I have no idea what is fair trade value for him.

I would say his current value is mid 2nd rounder in a rookie draft.

really? i'd say closer to a mid-late 1st rounder.

I wouldn't give a 1st rounder for him.

Are you saying you'd take Crabtree over LJ?

Who said I would take Crabtree? Maybe I would take Wells, or Moreno, or McCoy. LJ is very close to SA territory. If not this year, certainly in a couple of years.

Yes, and Crabtree before LJ. I always felt a big part of LJ's success was the offensive line in KC. I still wouldn't mind him as a RB2 or flex, but I have no expectations that he will be a top fantasy player in 09 and beyond? Two years at most.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Maybe I misunderstood your post? By saying, "I wouldn't give a 1st rounder for him." I thought you meant ANY first rounder--that includes Crabtree. Maybe you meant something else.

Correct, I wouldn't give any 1st rounder for him.

I'm glad to hear it. I'm sorry that it obviously hurts you to say you'd take Crabtree over anyone, though.

I may draft Crabtree in several leagues. Did it ever occur to anyone that I may be trying to drive down his price in the Crabtree thread? I've done it before

 

[happy_donut]

Maybe I misunderstood your post? By saying, "I wouldn't give a 1st rounder for him." I thought you meant ANY first rounder--that includes Crabtree. Maybe you meant something else.

Correct, I wouldn't give any 1st rounder for him.

I'm glad to hear it. I'm sorry that it obviously hurts you to say you'd take Crabtree over anyone, though.

I may draft Crabtree in several leagues. Did it ever occur to anyone that I may be trying to drive down his price in the Crabtree thread? I've done it before

Well played.

 

[billyjoe]

Yes, and Crabtree before LJ. I always felt a big part of LJ's success was the offensive line in KC. I still wouldn't mind him as a RB2 or flex, but I have no expectations that he will be a top fantasy player in 09 and beyond? Two years at most.

I'm a huge LJ fan. I took him in the 5th round when he was a "backup" to Holmes. And got laughed at for maybe 2 weeks. Then LJ won me crazy $$$. Had him on almost all my dynasty teams. Like I said, big LJ fan.That being said, LJs value is very iffy right now. If he stays in KC, his FF value is close to nil. He was being taken out on 3rd down, take out on the 2 min offense, getting no catches, he was basically Rudi Johnson with injuries and suspensions.LJs only upside, is a trade to the Pats. Anywhere else, he'll be half ###, #####y, and getting into trouble off the field. I watched him a few times last year, then tried to deal him in every league I owned him. Charles was getting key touches, and looked far more explosive. I managed to get Randy Moss for him in a PPR league, and I thanked God for that deal. Of course LJ owners won't sell him for a 2nd, that's selling low. But no one is going to pay top dollar for LJ, until he gets with the Colts/Pats/Steelers type team. Lots of leadership, talent, winning, he'll produce. On a bad team, he'll pout. And he's almost 30. Anyone giving up a 1st round rookie for LJ is gambling at this point. From what I saw last year, it's not a good gamble. Like I said, if he lands with a SB contender, all bets are off. Like Dillon when he was 29, he'll kill it for 2-3 years. If you can get him cheap he's a great upside play. But LJ owners probably aren't going to play ball for cheap, and LJ seekers won't pay top dollar. He's pretty much stuck on most rosters from what I can see until something changes. If I could sell LJ right now for a 1st, I'd sell. A 2nd? I'd pass and gamble on a trade/release.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Yes, and Crabtree before LJ. I always felt a big part of LJ's success was the offensive line in KC. I still wouldn't mind him as a RB2 or flex, but I have no expectations that he will be a top fantasy player in 09 and beyond? Two years at most.

I'm a huge LJ fan. I took him in the 5th round when he was a "backup" to Holmes. And got laughed at for maybe 2 weeks. Then LJ won me crazy $$$. Had him on almost all my dynasty teams. Like I said, big LJ fan.That being said, LJs value is very iffy right now. If he stays in KC, his FF value is close to nil. He was being taken out on 3rd down, take out on the 2 min offense, getting no catches, he was basically Rudi Johnson with injuries and suspensions.LJs only upside, is a trade to the Pats. Anywhere else, he'll be half ###, #####y, and getting into trouble off the field. I watched him a few times last year, then tried to deal him in every league I owned him. Charles was getting key touches, and looked far more explosive. I managed to get Randy Moss for him in a PPR league, and I thanked God for that deal. Of course LJ owners won't sell him for a 2nd, that's selling low. But no one is going to pay top dollar for LJ, until he gets with the Colts/Pats/Steelers type team. Lots of leadership, talent, winning, he'll produce. On a bad team, he'll pout. And he's almost 30. Anyone giving up a 1st round rookie for LJ is gambling at this point. From what I saw last year, it's not a good gamble. Like I said, if he lands with a SB contender, all bets are off. Like Dillon when he was 29, he'll kill it for 2-3 years. If you can get him cheap he's a great upside play. But LJ owners probably aren't going to play ball for cheap, and LJ seekers won't pay top dollar. He's pretty much stuck on most rosters from what I can see until something changes. If I could sell LJ right now for a 1st, I'd sell. A 2nd? I'd pass and gamble on a trade/release.

Well said.

 

[Jeff Tefertiller]

Ocho IF he lands on a new team, and you have the stones to take the risk.

I bought him twice this offseason in PPR leagues. I give him a pass with the Palmer injury, plus Houshy leaving (most likely) in free agency, 1,200 yds and 8 TDs is not a stretch.

 

[3nOut]

the only canidate i can think of right now is trung.