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There really aren't any offensive advantages for the Phillies based on regular season numbers. Offensively, these two teams are pretty equal.Utley's no butcher. Phillies are about as defensively sound as any team in baseball. Even Howard has improved tremendously (he had more webgems this year than any other 1B - yeah, I know this isnt very scientific, but I really dont buy into any defensive measurements). As for offense, the geeks on the Phillies board I read havent been able to find any offensive metrics that show the Phils have any advantage. Some of this can be attributed to the fact that it's AL baseball -vs- NL baseball, but mostly its just because these are two awesome teams.PS - Id take Howard over Tex any day of the week and twice on Sunday. "Just get me to the plate".Those stats are such bull#### cuz any stat that says Cano is a negative is absolute nonsense. The guy has been phenomenal with the glove this year. He has phenomenal range and a great arm. Im not exactly a Cano fan. But defensively hes top notch. I always thought of Utley as a butcher (and hes been dreadful in the playoffs so far) but Im willing to admit that I dont watch him as much as Id like.the moops said:UZR 2007-2009Utley 15.7, 20.2, 12.0. Cano 11.3 , -8.0, -6.1Fielding Bible has Chase Utley as +22 in 2007 and +47 in 2008. Cano as +17 in 2007 and somewhere south of + 6 in 2008 (can only find data for top 12).I thought it was pretty well agreed upon that Utley is consistently one of the top 2 or 3 defensive second basemen. Every attempt to quantify defensive contributions says so.jobarules said:
I don't think the Phillies are gonna pitch Lee on short rest in game 4. So Hamels will pitch game 3 and if necessary game 7.
Defensive stats are certainly not as sophisticated as offensive. But, when every statistical measure available says that player A is a much better fielder than player B, I am going to side with that over your views of a guys defensive abilities. Especially when comparing him to a guy that you haven't even see play all that much.So, perhaps I should ask you, On what ####in planet is Cano a better fielder than Utley?Those stats are such bull#### cuz any stat that says Cano is a negative is absolute nonsense. The guy has been phenomenal with the glove this year. He has phenomenal range and a great arm. Im not exactly a Cano fan. But defensively hes top notch. I always thought of Utley as a butcher (and hes been dreadful in the playoffs so far) but Im willing to admit that I dont watch him as much as Id like.the moops said:UZR 2007-2009Utley 15.7, 20.2, 12.0. Cano 11.3 , -8.0, -6.1Fielding Bible has Chase Utley as +22 in 2007 and +47 in 2008. Cano as +17 in 2007 and somewhere south of + 6 in 2008 (can only find data for top 12).I thought it was pretty well agreed upon that Utley is consistently one of the top 2 or 3 defensive second basemen. Every attempt to quantify defensive contributions says so.jobarules said:
Actually I was just focusing on 2009. Before this year Cano was below average fielder. This year he has been phenomenal and should win Gold Glove (not that those things are always accurate). Like I said I am a Cano "hater" but I gotta give credit where credit is due in that he is one of the best fielding second basemen in all of baseball.
Another irrefutable fact from jobarules... or actually, completely ignoring facts because his view must be right.How can you fault logic like this? You can't, cuz that would be bull####!Those stats are such bull#### cuz any stat that says Cano is a negative is absolute nonsense.the moops said:UZR 2007-2009Utley 15.7, 20.2, 12.0. Cano 11.3 , -8.0, -6.1Fielding Bible has Chase Utley as +22 in 2007 and +47 in 2008. Cano as +17 in 2007 and somewhere south of + 6 in 2008 (can only find data for top 12).I thought it was pretty well agreed upon that Utley is consistently one of the top 2 or 3 defensive second basemen. Every attempt to quantify defensive contributions says so.jobarules said:
So, an article written in April of this year, which talks about the very statistics we are talking about here, which pegs Cano as one of the worst defensive second basemen in the league, is somehow supposed to strengthen your argument?
THEY HAVE NO RESPECT!!!!!! GRAHHHHHHHHAAAAAAHHHHAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!
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I saw those articles and grimmaced. I dont understand the point of garbage articles like that but thats the NY Post for you.
Wait, you're telling me NY has Kate Hudson, Jude Law, AND Foie Gras?... Pack it up Phils, we've got no chance.
was that story written by a two year old with all the misspellings
I like the Post Sports section better than The Times or Daily News.... I don't think people really read those two much anymore for sports.That article above wasn't even in the sports section..... I don't recognize those writers at all - pure fluff pice to try to get stuff going and sell papers...
Is anyone really going to disagree with this statement about the Phanatic? "Mr. Met is even better than that -- and Mr. Met is ######ed," said Patrick O'Neill, 22, of The Bronx.
Yeah... every man, woman, and child in Philadelphia for a start.The Phanatic is probably the best mascot in sports, let alone baseball... if you're into that sort of thing.
Ok, maybe it is better than Mr. Met but they are both ######ed.Yeah... every man, woman, and child in Philadelphia for a start.The Phanatic is probably the best mascot in sports, let alone baseball... if you're into that sort of thing.
And growing up with the Phils and now having two young kids, we are.
No way. The Phanatic is money.Redwes25 said:Ok, maybe it is better than Mr. Met but they are both ######ed.Lehigh98 said:Yeah... every man, woman, and child in Philadelphia for a start.The Phanatic is probably the best mascot in sports, let alone baseball... if you're into that sort of thing.Redwes25 said:
And growing up with the Phils and now having two young kids, we are.
This is a clear sign homerism if I have ever seen it. Just look at the damn thing.No way. The Phanatic is money.Redwes25 said:Ok, maybe it is better than Mr. Met but they are both ######ed.Lehigh98 said:Yeah... every man, woman, and child in Philadelphia for a start.The Phanatic is probably the best mascot in sports, let alone baseball... if you're into that sort of thing.Redwes25 said:
And growing up with the Phils and now having two young kids, we are.
I root for the Yanks. Admittedly I also have Phils season tickets.....but the Phanatic is very funny.
I wouldn't want him doing his antics right in front of me during the game, but if you don't like the Phanatic you're just un-American.
Fixed.
The bleacher clearchers complaining about unruly behavior is priceless. "Gets a bad wrap," Would that be yelling that vulgar "You're so gay" song no more than 1 inch from someones face? This is about as good as that writer from LA saying the phanatic attacking a doll shows how violent of a people we are, while people were getting stabbed at Dodger Stadium last year. I'd rather wear opposing team's colors in Philly than New York. Most Philadelphia fans just like to talk #### more than anything else. I bash Philadelphia fans all the time(it doesn't matter what goes on in New York and Boston to me), but lets keep it real here, New York fans can't even act right at a golf tournament.
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/200910...ls_in_1950.html
For the most part I like both NY and Philadelphia fans. I've lived with both groups while in the military and they are among the most knowledgeable and enthusiastic fan groups. Both have good percentages of obnoxious fans but so do most cities. Plus I hate Boston and Pittsburgh teams the most so I have a kinship with each subgroup, that helps sway my opinion.
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We need to bring back more of this. Do day/night doubleheaders during the regular season and no off days post season. If I was a player I'd want to condense the season and have a longer offseason. Weather would be less of a concern this way also & the owners & TV would still have the same number of games to make money off of.
I think the Players Union has to agree to double headers.
There is almost no way the season is setup in the same way in the next 2-3 seasons. The attendance records are great and all, but for the most part TV ratings growth is flat or down in many markets and MLB is getting killed by a larger and larger margin every year from Wed, Thurs, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday football starting in mid-August. Two things that are almost certain to happen. 1) Spring training shortened by 2 weeks or more, and starts a week earlier or more coupled with games starting 3 weeks or more earlier 2) Expanded playoffs starting in September. Shortening the season from 162 is probably never going to happen because of records and crap like that even though it's virtually impossible to see the HR records broken again before the sun burns out.
I was wondering if baseball intentionally strung it out so that bad weather or not, Game 4 of the World Series is going to count towards Fox's November Sweeps Month ratings.I agree with you though but the tail is wagging the dog now.
They are the reps of the players, enough players would have to want it. As others have mentioned, the networks may want the season to drag out for sweeps.
Both the networks and MLB wanted the WS to have as many games during the week for ratings purposes (as opposed to having Game 3,4,5 on Fri,Sat, Sun). I'm guessing the Nov Sweeps are a secondary, but ancillary benefit.
Yep, pushing old men to the ground has always been HILARIOUS.
I always liked Pedro but that wasn't one of his better days.
Not really... but having to defend yourself from an old man coming at you, now that's something.Yep, pushing old men to the ground has always been HILARIOUS.
I think he's OK.Any inside word on Utley's potential injury?Doesn't mean a thing in comparing the actual talent on the field.It's about as meaningful as trying to compare the teams position by position.But we need something to kill a couple days until the series starts I guess.why do the payrolls impact whether the Yankees are a great team or not? It's pointless to bring it up during an analysis of the 2 teams in this world series right now.**I'm a Phillies' fan.Just wanted to post the payrolls before Yanks fans get too vocal about how great their team is.Just remember, its supposed to be... and by about at least 43% over the next highest spending team.
