OFFICIAL 12TH PICK IN A 12 TEAM PPR (1 Viewer)

[fanaticskinsfan]

Well you are sitting with the 12th pick in the draft in a 12 team redraft snake format. I keep hearing that you need to draft a QB/WR like a Brees/Fitz. I am just too concerned that missing out on a running back in the first 2 rounds is dangerous. I know taking the 8th-10th runningback does not seem as smart as taking a top 3 QB or the best TE or a top 3 WR, but there are just so few runningbacks with any value down the draft board. I have always taken the postion to draft a QB late in the draft. It seems there is always a sleeper QB that you can get in the 6th-8th round that can produce like a top 5 QB. Last year I targeted Stafford in all my leagues and was very happy. In one league I got Stafford in teh 8th round. This year I still see QBs with tremedous value falling in the 6th-8th round. So I may need to target a Chris Johnson, DMAC, Forte & D. Murray with the 12 & 13th pick. Plus WR is so deep this year that you can wait on that position as well.

What are your thoughts?

 

[meyerj31]

If two of CJ/DMC/Forte/Murray are available at the turn in a PPR draft I would take any two of them and sleep like a baby.

WRs are deep, the 10th-12th QBs are still pretty good, so for me it comes down to locking down a few guys who have the potential to finish top RBs.

 

[rizzler]

ppr = graham

 

[Rick James]

Well you are sitting with the 12th pick in the draft in a 12 team redraft snake format. I keep hearing that you need to draft a QB/WR like a Brees/Fitz. I am just too concerned that missing out on a running back in the first 2 rounds is dangerous. I know taking the 8th-10th runningback does not seem as smart as taking a top 3 QB or the best TE or a top 3 WR, but there are just so few runningbacks with any value down the draft board. I have always taken the postion to draft a QB late in the draft. It seems there is always a sleeper QB that you can get in the 6th-8th round that can produce like a top 5 QB. Last year I targeted Stafford in all my leagues and was very happy. In one league I got Stafford in teh 8th round. This year I still see QBs with tremedous value falling in the 6th-8th round. So I may need to target a Chris Johnson, DMAC, Forte & D. Murray with the 12 & 13th pick. Plus WR is so deep this year that you can wait on that position as well.What are your thoughts?

I've drafted #9 and #11, and started both drafts very similarly: RB (Forte in both) and TE (Graham and Gronk).If Brady was there I'd think about taking him...but he's never lasted past 1.08 in any draft I've done.

 

[BallsySmurf]

I like the idea of going RB/RB at 12. If you get two of those 4 RBs you mentioned, I think your team will have a very, very nice start. WR is extremely deep and you can get quality WRs all the way until round 5/6 from the mocks I've done. If you are lucky, maybe you could get Stafford or Cam in round 3. If those two are gone, I'd go WR/WR and try to get AJ Green/Julio. I was able to do this in some mocks earlier this summer, but it is getting harder to snatch up both. Julio is starting to come off the boards in round 2 in PPR. If you do wait on QB, I've always found you can get both Mannings, Rivers, and sometimes Vick in round 5. Rounds 6 and on you're looking at the likes of Ryan, Schaub, RG3, Luck, etc...Good Luck

 

[fanaticskinsfan]

I am agreeing with taking RB/RB at the turn, however if you read Chris Smith's 12th pick article he is suggesting taking Brees and a RB at the turn. Most of the concensus seems to be taking two runningbacks at the turn.

 

[joey]

Picking 12th a non-ppr, non-TE-mandatory work league and, from the mocks I've done I like the looks of the WRs available at the 3/4 turn and the QBs available at the 5/6 turn, so starting RB/RB has been working out best for me IMHO.

 

[fanaticskinsfan]

Any drafts done picking from the 12th spot in a ppr league?

 

[wjtait]

I've done some mock drafts, and after the r. mathews injury the RB's have almost always been off the board by 12, except D. Murray, and personally I'm not sold on him at 12, but I know others are. I have learned from being in the same league for years, that our league always has a run of qb's early. TD's count for 6 in our league, and they are gone early, so I know the elite qb's will be gone in my league. If Brees was there I would take him in a second. I am somewhat of a risk tolerant owner and am seriously considering taking Mathews and Julio Jones at 12 and 13, if mathews falls which I think he will. If Forte was there, I would consider him too, but he has been going earlier. I would love to hear everybody else's thoughts.

 

[wjtait]

I've done some mock drafts, and after the r. mathews injury the RB's have almost always been off the board by 12, except D. Murray, and personally I'm not sold on him at 12, but I know others are. I have learned from being in the same league for years, that our league always has a run of qb's early. TD's count for 6 in our league, and they are gone early, so I know the elite qb's will be gone in my league. If Brees was there I would take him in a second. I am somewhat of a risk tolerant owner and am seriously considering taking Mathews and Julio Jones at 12 and 13, if mathews falls which I think he will. If Forte was there, I would consider him too, but he has been going earlier. I would love to hear everybody else's thoughts.

I am in a PPR league, forgot to mention that.

 

[fanaticskinsfan]

My scoring for QBs is 4 pts per td. QBs seem to go a little early in mine too. The top 5 QBs were gone by pick #30. None in the first round last year, but hopefully that won't be the case this year. I have never picked a QB earlier than the 5th round before.

 

[David Yudkin]

TE/QB. But it takes stones to do it (provided one of Rodgers/Brady/Brees and one of Graham/Gronk were there).

 

[vicuna]

I faced this situation with the top three RBs, top three QBs, Mathews, Forte, McFadden, Chris Johnson and MegaTron off the board. I went Fitz/Graham. Ended up stacked at WR (Fitz, Andre Johnson, Harvin), solid at RB (S-Jax, Bradshaw, Kevin Smith, Donald Brown) and iffy at QB (RG3 and Big Ben).

 

[fanaticskinsfan]

I faced this situation with the top three RBs, top three QBs, Mathews, Forte, McFadden, Chris Johnson and MegaTron off the board. I went Fitz/Graham. Ended up stacked at WR (Fitz, Andre Johnson, Harvin), solid at RB (S-Jax, Bradshaw, Kevin Smith, Donald Brown) and iffy at QB (RG3 and Big Ben).

What round did you get S-Jax, Bradshaw & Kevin Smith? How long did you wait for Big Ben & RG3? Did you end up getting Mikel LeShoure to handcuff with Kevin Smith?

 

[Concept Coop]

I've done some mock drafts, and after the r. mathews injury the RB's have almost always been off the board by 12, except D. Murray, and personally I'm not sold on him at 12, but I know others are. I have learned from being in the same league for years, that our league always has a run of qb's early. TD's count for 6 in our league, and they are gone early, so I know the elite qb's will be gone in my league. If Brees was there I would take him in a second. I am somewhat of a risk tolerant owner and am seriously considering taking Mathews and Julio Jones at 12 and 13, if mathews falls which I think he will. If Forte was there, I would consider him too, but he has been going earlier. I would love to hear everybody else's thoughts.

If you draft a WR in the first 2 rounds (Calvin the exception), I think you are doing yourself a disservice. I can't feel good drafting Julio, Fitz, AJ in the top 20 picks, when Victor Cruz is going in the 3rd. There is so much value at WR - let people overpay at the top of the tiers and let the rest fall to you. I wouldn't be shocked if Marques Colston scored on par with Julio Jones. Victor Cruz was on pace for a 1,700 yard season, based on games started. Percy Harvin is being undervalued. Miles Austin's value is on the floor - he was a top 5 WR when healthy, with Romo. Dwayne Bowe plays on a more explosive offense now. Nobody would be surprised if Dez Bryant caught 10+ TDs. Vincent Jackson should be featured. The duo in Denver are options with upside. Maclin and Jackson should both score more than they did last year. I could go on, but you get the point. In my opinion, you give your league mates a leg up when you draft Julio at the turn, in any typical re-draft format. Comparable value will be on the board next time you pick, and that's never a good thing.

 

[vicuna]

I faced this situation with the top three RBs, top three QBs, Mathews, Forte, McFadden, Chris Johnson and MegaTron off the board. I went Fitz/Graham. Ended up stacked at WR (Fitz, Andre Johnson, Harvin), solid at RB (S-Jax, Bradshaw, Kevin Smith, Donald Brown) and iffy at QB (RG3 and Big Ben).

What round did you get S-Jax, Bradshaw & Kevin Smith? How long did you wait for Big Ben & RG3? Did you end up getting Mikel LeShoure to handcuff with Kevin Smith?

1.12: Larry Fitzgerald2.01: Jimmy Graham3.12: Steven Jackson4.01: Andre Johnson5.12: Ahmad Bradshaw6.01: Percy Harvin7.12: Robert Griffin8.01: Ben Roethlisberger9.12: Donald Brown10.01: James Starks11.12: Denarius Moore12.01: Kevin SmithThe draft was a couple of weeks ago, so LeShoure went several rounds earlier than Smith. I'm fine with that.

 

[joey]

I faced this situation with the top three RBs, top three QBs, Mathews, Forte, McFadden, Chris Johnson and MegaTron off the board. I went Fitz/Graham. Ended up stacked at WR (Fitz, Andre Johnson, Harvin), solid at RB (S-Jax, Bradshaw, Kevin Smith, Donald Brown) and iffy at QB (RG3 and Big Ben).

What round did you get S-Jax, Bradshaw & Kevin Smith? How long did you wait for Big Ben & RG3? Did you end up getting Mikel LeShoure to handcuff with Kevin Smith?

1.12: Larry Fitzgerald2.01: Jimmy Graham3.12: Steven Jackson4.01: Andre Johnson5.12: Ahmad Bradshaw6.01: Percy Harvin7.12: Robert Griffin8.01: Ben Roethlisberger9.12: Donald Brown10.01: James Starks11.12: Denarius Moore12.01: Kevin SmithThe draft was a couple of weeks ago, so LeShoure went several rounds earlier than Smith. I'm fine with that.

wow. that's value value value value at almost every single pick. If I were a jerk I'd make some comment about wishing I played in your league but I gotta say that lots of those guys seem to be way below their usual ADP (except for the QBs).

 

[vicuna]

I faced this situation with the top three RBs, top three QBs, Mathews, Forte, McFadden, Chris Johnson and MegaTron off the board. I went Fitz/Graham. Ended up stacked at WR (Fitz, Andre Johnson, Harvin), solid at RB (S-Jax, Bradshaw, Kevin Smith, Donald Brown) and iffy at QB (RG3 and Big Ben).

What round did you get S-Jax, Bradshaw & Kevin Smith? How long did you wait for Big Ben & RG3? Did you end up getting Mikel LeShoure to handcuff with Kevin Smith?

1.12: Larry Fitzgerald2.01: Jimmy Graham3.12: Steven Jackson4.01: Andre Johnson5.12: Ahmad Bradshaw6.01: Percy Harvin7.12: Robert Griffin8.01: Ben Roethlisberger9.12: Donald Brown10.01: James Starks11.12: Denarius Moore12.01: Kevin SmithThe draft was a couple of weeks ago, so LeShoure went several rounds earlier than Smith. I'm fine with that.

wow. that's value value value value at almost every single pick. If I were a jerk I'd make some comment about wishing I played in your league but I gotta say that lots of those guys seem to be way below their usual ADP (except for the QBs).

I was pretty happy with the results. To be fair, no one would confuse my fellow owners for experts. It's a long-running league, but several of the owners rely on relatively shoddy outlets for their "research."If I had to do it over again, I would've taken a RB (though I would prefer Forte/McFadden) along with Graham at the first turn.

 

[Ace08]

Unless McFadden falls I'd absolutely look to go WR-WR if your league is PPR. Starting out with some combination of Julio, Fitz, or Andre is very appealing to me.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Follow the draft we're doing in the FFA. It's a 12 team PPR and I'm in the 12th spot.

I just went Fitz/Andre Johnson. Not terribly excited about it but there were just too many questions about the other possibilities. I thought really hard about Stafford for one of the picks but decided to take a chance and wait.

Can't believe A Johnson went in the 4th in a draft. That's preposterous.

 

[fanaticskinsfan]

Follow the draft we're doing in the FFA. It's a 12 team PPR and I'm in the 12th spot.I just went Fitz/Andre Johnson. Not terribly excited about it but there were just too many questions about the other possibilities. I thought really hard about Stafford for one of the picks but decided to take a chance and wait. Can't believe A Johnson went in the 4th in a draft. That's preposterous.

Who was available at 12/13 for rbs that you chose Fitzgerald/Andre there?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Who was available at 12/13 for rbs that you chose Fitzgerald/Andre there?

MJD, Forte, Sproles, Mathews, Charles

 

[Sweetness_34]

I just drafted....too bad top 3RBs; top 3. QBS; CJ; MJD; Forte; Mcfadden; Megatron were gone so I went as follows....

Jimmy Graham; Wee Weller; Brandon Marshall; Noddy Nelson as top 4 picks.....final team was:

Jay Cutler

Bradshaw; Gore; Kevin Smith; Jacquizz Rodgers; Peyton Hillis; Rashad Jennings

Wes Weller; Marshall; Jordy Nelson; Kenny Brittle; Steve Smith STL

Graham; Greg Olsen

Vikings ( they get Jax game 1 at home; plan to go def by WW all year)

Bironas

We start 2RB; 2WR; 1Flex; 1TE

Hope I can hit on 2 RBs

 

[HeartoftheLions]

Who was available at 12/13 for rbs that you chose Fitzgerald/Andre there?

MJD, Forte, Sproles, Mathews, Charles

This is exactly why I think (or at least why I am strongly considering) going WR / WR. I feel like the way the draft sets up you are almost forced to build a competitive advantage at the WR position in this slot. It obviously depends on your scoring/setup (mine is ppr, 12 teams) but I have done several mocks and it seems that you can have 2 of the top 3 WR's on the board and then 2 more of the top 20 WR's at the 3/4 turn. Something like:1st & 2nd Rds: 2 of Fitzy/Andre/Julio Jones3rd & 4th Rds: 2 of Jordy/Smith/Marshall/Nicks/Djax (whoever you like to finish top 20 or higher)I really like the idea of having a WR corp (start 3 WR + 1 Flex) of Fitzy/Andre/Jordy/Smith. If you can hit on 1 rb later and then fill in that last rb position throughout the year or through injuries I think you are set. Consider the RBBC#2 article for instance. Not hard to grab several of those guys later on in the draft. Bottom line is I don't feel good enough about risks associated with MJD/Sproles/Mathews/Charles to make me excited about starting with two of those and then missing out on two potential top 5 WR's. The only guy who has me really pondering a change in philosophy this year would be McFadden, just feels like that risk/reward pick at 1.12 that could really pay off. All about risk/reward. Even if I do take him I still think the play is RB/WR/WR/WR.I think what also led me to this strategy is looking at what RB's are going to be there at 3/4 - I don't particularly like any of them either (Bush/McGahee/BJGE/Isaac/Greene). By the time 5/6 comes around most likely Djax/Moore/Colston/Wallace/Stevie J/Welker/Maclin/Bowe/T. Smith/Lloyd/Decker are all gone. I consider that a drop off point in WR talent and so by grabbing 2 at top of this tier I get 3 or 4 of what I believe will be top 20 WR's. What I'm also seeing (can't figure out how I will attack it) is at the 5/6 turn you can possibly grab both a TE and a QB. In mocks I'm finding either Vernon Davis or Finley here as well as potentially P. Manning (Matty Ice is probably gone in my league by this point but that'd be nice). The only scary part is putting off a RB selection until the 7/8. Honestly not sure what to do if faced with this situation. RB options to consider at 5/6 include: Ridley/Hillis/K. Smith/StewartOne downside is giving up flexibility to grab WR's with value later on, however I think that when you draft at the Turn you typically should draft who you want and almost throw out ADP/VBD... you can't wait on a guy to fall 23 picks to you so if you are targeting someone you most likely grab them a round early to be safe. I'm in a competitive league so I assume that guys I love won't be falling to me. However if guys start falling then my strategy sorta comes undone lol.

 

[ThaDude]

Drafted last friday from the 12 in a PPR league.

01.12 Matt Forte

02.01 Jimmy Graham

03.12 Doug Martin

04.01 Jordy Nelson

05.12 Antonio Brown

06.01 Tony Romo

07.12 Darrius Heyward-Bey

08.01 Peyton Hillis

09.12 Greg Little

10.01 Nate Washington

11.12 Jacquizz Rodgers

12.01 Brandon LaFell

13.12 Ronnie Hillman

14.01 Alshon Jeffery

15.12 Rashad Jennings

16.01 Patriots D

Wasnt planning on going TE at 2.01 but the first round went a little unexpected. I reached for a couple guys late but I think it went well overall. Only pick I regret is Greg Little. I swore he wouldn't be on my team this year...

 

[fanaticskinsfan]

Drafted last friday from the 12 in a PPR league.01.12 Matt Forte02.01 Jimmy Graham03.12 Doug Martin04.01 Jordy Nelson05.12 Antonio Brown06.01 Tony Romo07.12 Darrius Heyward-Bey08.01 Peyton Hillis09.12 Greg Little10.01 Nate Washington11.12 Jacquizz Rodgers12.01 Brandon LaFell13.12 Ronnie Hillman14.01 Alshon Jeffery15.12 Rashad Jennings16.01 Patriots DWasnt planning on going TE at 2.01 but the first round went a little unexpected. I reached for a couple guys late but I think it went well overall. Only pick I regret is Greg Little. I swore he wouldn't be on my team this year...

After looking at your draft I am a little concerned about your rbs & wrs. Yes, Antonio Brown could do well since Wallace is not in camp yet, but I don' believe Jordy Nelson will repeat last year's numbers. You are banking on a rookie in Doug Martin and Peyton Hillis who hasn't done anything in 2 years. What are your starting line-up requirements? No backup QB or backup TE?

 

[Concept Coop]

After looking at your draft I am a little concerned about your rbs & wrs. Yes, Antonio Brown could do well since Wallace is not in camp yet, but I don' believe Jordy Nelson will repeat last year's numbers. You are banking on a rookie in Doug Martin and Peyton Hillis who hasn't done anything in 2 years. What are your starting line-up requirements? No backup QB or backup TE?

Nelson is a potential WR1 and great value in the 4th. Brown, in PPR leagues, is a very solid WR2. He went TE early and you have to sacrifice something to do that. I agree on Martin - a bit early for me. But I would feel very good about Nelson and Brown, considering he has such a big advantage at TE. He doesn't need to win the weekly WR battle - just have them hold their own.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

The strategy changes a bit depending on if QBs get 4 or 6 points for passes.

For example, in ThaDude's draft there's no reason that Romo lasts until the 6th if he's getting 6 points per TD.

 

[pantherclub]

Drafted last friday from the 12 in a PPR league.01.12 Matt Forte02.01 Jimmy Graham03.12 Doug Martin04.01 Jordy Nelson05.12 Antonio Brown06.01 Tony Romo07.12 Darrius Heyward-Bey08.01 Peyton Hillis09.12 Greg Little10.01 Nate Washington11.12 Jacquizz Rodgers12.01 Brandon LaFell13.12 Ronnie Hillman14.01 Alshon Jeffery15.12 Rashad Jennings16.01 Patriots DWasnt planning on going TE at 2.01 but the first round went a little unexpected. I reached for a couple guys late but I think it went well overall. Only pick I regret is Greg Little. I swore he wouldn't be on my team this year...

No offense but that looks horrible.You are not particularly strong or deep at any position except TE.

 

[GDogg]

 

[Concept Coop]

How is it horrible? Graham will provide close to 100 VBD this season. Where on his roster does he surrender that back?

Of his first 6 picks, there is only 1 I don't like (Martin), but he could certianly suprise.

How is it horrible? Graham will provide close to 100 VBD this season. Where on his roster does he surrender that back?

Of his first 6 picks, there is only 1 I don't like (Martin), but he could certianly suprise.

Forte = Great

Graham = Great

Martin = Meh

Nelson = Great

Brown = Very Good

Romo = Great

DHB = Solid

Hillis = Great

Little = Meh

Washington = Great

 

[Rick James]

Drafted last friday from the 12 in a PPR league.01.12 Matt Forte02.01 Jimmy Graham03.12 Doug Martin04.01 Jordy Nelson05.12 Antonio Brown06.01 Tony Romo07.12 Darrius Heyward-Bey08.01 Peyton Hillis09.12 Greg Little10.01 Nate Washington11.12 Jacquizz Rodgers12.01 Brandon LaFell13.12 Ronnie Hillman14.01 Alshon Jeffery15.12 Rashad Jennings16.01 Patriots DWasnt planning on going TE at 2.01 but the first round went a little unexpected. I reached for a couple guys late but I think it went well overall. Only pick I regret is Greg Little. I swore he wouldn't be on my team this year...

No offense but that looks horrible.You are not particularly strong or deep at any position except TE.

His draft would look a lot better if he used the #3 pick on a WR (AJ Green/Roddy/Nicks/etc) or RB (Fred Jackson/Richardson/Bradshaw), and then taken Doug Martin in the 4th.

 

[fanaticskinsfan]

How is it horrible? Graham will provide close to 100 VBD this season. Where on his roster does he surrender that back? Of his first 6 picks, there is only 1 I don't like (Martin), but he could certianly suprise. How is it horrible? Graham will provide close to 100 VBD this season. Where on his roster does he surrender that back? Of his first 6 picks, there is only 1 I don't like (Martin), but he could certianly suprise. Forte = GreatGraham = GreatMartin = MehNelson = GreatBrown = Very GoodRomo = GreatDHB = SolidHillis = GreatLittle = MehWashington = Great

I don't thinks I would qualify DHB as solid or Hillis as great. Hillis hasn't done anything in 2 years and DHB hasn't done anything ever.

 

[Concept Coop]

I don't thinks I would qualify DHB as solid or Hillis as great. Hillis hasn't done anything in 2 years and DHB hasn't done anything ever.

DHB did "something" last year. His first year with Palmer at QB. He was on pace for 1,000 yards, minus the game he missed due to injury.As for Hillis, he has had 1 down season. Same as Chris Johnson - where do you rank him? I find it comical that Hillis hasn't done anything in "two" years. Using that verbiage, Calvin Johnson and Aaron Rodgers haven't done anything in 1 year.

 

[Concept Coop]

His draft would look a lot better if he used the #3 pick on a WR (AJ Green/Roddy/Nicks/etc) or RB (Fred Jackson/Richardson/Bradshaw), and then taken Doug Martin in the 4th.

It was the last pick in the 3rd round. Green, Roddy, Nicks are LONG gone. I love Nelson at 4.I simply would have taken a different RB. I like Bradshaw, Reggie Bush, and Darren Sproles more than Martin.

 

[pantherclub]

Forte has never scored TD's but I guess he fits at 12. Picking graham at 2.01 drastically changes your draft strategy as you are now playing catch up with wr and running backs. Martin in the 3 is just insane. I would like Nelson a lot better as a #2 and Brown as a #3. The Hillis, DHB, Lafell and Jeffery picks are pretty much desperation at this point.

 

[Concept Coop]

Forte has never scored TD's but I guess he fits at 12. Picking graham at 2.01 drastically changes your draft strategy as you are now playing catch up with wr and running backs. Martin in the 3 is just insane. I would like Nelson a lot better as a #2 and Brown as a #3. The Hillis, DHB, Lafell and Jeffery picks are pretty much desperation at this point.

Forte's PPR stats don't lie. 3 catches for 30 yards = 6 point. I don't care how he gets the points, just that he does.You're "playing catch up" regardless of what position you draft. Graham has 100+ VBD potential. That is great value at 2.01. Hillis is a very solid pick. A startable RB that late is nothing to complain about. Lafell is starting in a potential top offense. And Jeffery is looking very good and is likely to start. That late in the draft, what more can you hope for?

 

[pantherclub]

Forte has never scored TD's but I guess he fits at 12. Picking graham at 2.01 drastically changes your draft strategy as you are now playing catch up with wr and running backs. Martin in the 3 is just insane. I would like Nelson a lot better as a #2 and Brown as a #3. The Hillis, DHB, Lafell and Jeffery picks are pretty much desperation at this point.

Forte's PPR stats don't lie. 3 catches for 30 yards = 6 point. I don't care how he gets the points, just that he does.You're "playing catch up" regardless of what position you draft. Graham has 100+ VBD potential. That is great value at 2.01. Hillis is a very solid pick. A startable RB that late is nothing to complain about. Lafell is starting in a potential top offense. And Jeffery is looking very good and is likely to start. That late in the draft, what more can you hope for?

Yes but like I said you have no positions of strength outside of TE. Graham will have a good year but I doubt as good as last year. That was nuts. If you had taken a WR at 3 then you would be in a lot better shape then now. Plus having Bush in Chicago makes me a little uneasy about forte.

 

[Concept Coop]

Forte has never scored TD's but I guess he fits at 12. Picking graham at 2.01 drastically changes your draft strategy as you are now playing catch up with wr and running backs. Martin in the 3 is just insane. I would like Nelson a lot better as a #2 and Brown as a #3. The Hillis, DHB, Lafell and Jeffery picks are pretty much desperation at this point.

Forte's PPR stats don't lie. 3 catches for 30 yards = 6 point. I don't care how he gets the points, just that he does.You're "playing catch up" regardless of what position you draft. Graham has 100+ VBD potential. That is great value at 2.01. Hillis is a very solid pick. A startable RB that late is nothing to complain about. Lafell is starting in a potential top offense. And Jeffery is looking very good and is likely to start. That late in the draft, what more can you hope for?

Yes but like I said you have no positions of strength outside of TE. Graham will have a good year but I doubt as good as last year. That was nuts. If you had taken a WR at 3 then you would be in a lot better shape then now. Plus having Bush in Chicago makes me a little uneasy about forte.

There is no reason to suggest regression for Graham. He is going to do what he did last year, yearly, for a long time. He is one of the best WRs in the NFL, he just happens to be bigger and stonger than the others. He is a mismatch that NO will be taking advantage of, as often as they can.As for Forte, I worry about the changes too. But at 12, the guy you pick isn't going to be as safe as the 11 before, more likely. He is still a very good pick. And absolutely a strength. You don't win by having a pretty roster. If he would have passed on Graham for a WR, and drafted Witten in the 7th, his team would be worse, but would look prettier. If you want a pretty roster, don't draft Gronk or Graham. If you want to win - understand that those two offer an advantage that very few players, at any position, can.

 

[pantherclub]

Forte has never scored TD's but I guess he fits at 12. Picking graham at 2.01 drastically changes your draft strategy as you are now playing catch up with wr and running backs. Martin in the 3 is just insane. I would like Nelson a lot better as a #2 and Brown as a #3. The Hillis, DHB, Lafell and Jeffery picks are pretty much desperation at this point.

Forte's PPR stats don't lie. 3 catches for 30 yards = 6 point. I don't care how he gets the points, just that he does.You're "playing catch up" regardless of what position you draft. Graham has 100+ VBD potential. That is great value at 2.01. Hillis is a very solid pick. A startable RB that late is nothing to complain about. Lafell is starting in a potential top offense. And Jeffery is looking very good and is likely to start. That late in the draft, what more can you hope for?

Yes but like I said you have no positions of strength outside of TE. Graham will have a good year but I doubt as good as last year. That was nuts. If you had taken a WR at 3 then you would be in a lot better shape then now. Plus having Bush in Chicago makes me a little uneasy about forte.

There is no reason to suggest regression for Graham. He is going to do what he did last year, yearly, for a long time. He is one of the best WRs in the NFL, he just happens to be bigger and stonger than the others. He is a mismatch that NO will be taking advantage of, as often as they can.As for Forte, I worry about the changes too. But at 12, the guy you pick isn't going to be as safe as the 11 before, more likely. He is still a very good pick. And absolutely a strength. You don't win by having a pretty roster. If he would have passed on Graham for a WR, and drafted Witten in the 7th, his team would be worse, but would look prettier. If you want a pretty roster, don't draft Gronk or Graham. If you want to win - understand that those two offer an advantage that very few players, at any position, can.

Probably the greatest season ever for a tight end and you dont see a regression. Sorry dude, thats on you.

 

[Concept Coop]

Probably the greatest season ever for a tight end and you dont see a regression. Sorry dude, thats on you.

It was one of the greatest seasons ever, so it HAS to come back down to earth?He is one of the best receiving TEs ever, playing in one of the best offenses ever, catching balls from one of the best QBs ever. That's why he had one of the best seasons ever.All of that is still true this year.And what about the plays that he lines up as a WR? How do you compare those to traditional TE seasons?

 

[pantherclub]

Probably the greatest season ever for a tight end and you dont see a regression. Sorry dude, thats on you.

It was one of the greatest seasons ever, so it HAS to come back down to earth?He is one of the best receiving TEs ever, playing in one of the best offenses ever, catching balls from one of the best QBs ever. That's why he had one of the best seasons ever.All of that is still true this year.And what about the plays that he lines up as a WR? How do you compare those to traditional TE seasons?

how often have you seen career record breaking seasons followed up by career record breaking seasons? It simply doesnt happen especially at the TE position. Now I am not saying he is going to have a bad year or that he will not be the #1 TE but I am saying he will not be close in his production from last year. I will make any bet on that. History has proven it time and time again.

 

[Rick James]

His draft would look a lot better if he used the #3 pick on a WR (AJ Green/Roddy/Nicks/etc) or RB (Fred Jackson/Richardson/Bradshaw), and then taken Doug Martin in the 4th.

It was the last pick in the 3rd round. Green, Roddy, Nicks are LONG gone. I love Nelson at 4.I simply would have taken a different RB. I like Bradshaw, Reggie Bush, and Darren Sproles more than Martin.

I admit it's kinda pointless to suggest alternate picks without knowing who was available, but in my experience there should be a handful of legit WRs available at 3.12. That position is pretty volatile this season w/ ADP, so while Roddy may go in the late 2nd/early 3rd, I've seen him (and Nicks, and AJ Green, etc) last as long as early-to-middle 4th.

 

[ThaDude]

Drafted last friday from the 12 in a PPR league.

01.12 Matt Forte

02.01 Jimmy Graham

03.12 Doug Martin

04.01 Jordy Nelson

05.12 Antonio Brown

06.01 Tony Romo

07.12 Darrius Heyward-Bey

08.01 Peyton Hillis

09.12 Greg Little

10.01 Nate Washington

11.12 Jacquizz Rodgers

12.01 Brandon LaFell

13.12 Ronnie Hillman

14.01 Alshon Jeffery

15.12 Rashad Jennings

16.01 Patriots D

Wasnt planning on going TE at 2.01 but the first round went a little unexpected. I reached for a couple guys late but I think it went well overall. Only pick I regret is Greg Little. I swore he wouldn't be on my team this year...

No offense but that looks horrible.You are not particularly strong or deep at any position except TE.

Horrible? I guess your entitled to your opinion. The Martin pick at 3.12, I understand the hate on that I guess. SJax, R.Bush and Gore were what was left of the top 20 RB's. I felt better with him due to what I think is a high ceiling for him vs. the other 3. Yah, I could've gone receiver, but I felt like I could get better value on WR's later in the draft. IMHO as far as a risk vs. reward, hes a nice pick there given what was on the board.

As for the Graham pick, being at 12...I was taking the two best value players regardless of position. It happened to be Forte and Graham, I'll take that all day at 12.

Thanks for all the feedback

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Just did the 3/4 turn.

I now have a roster of

Matt Ryan

Fred Jackson

Fitzgerald

Johnson

Stay tuned...

 

[pantherclub]

Drafted last friday from the 12 in a PPR league.

01.12 Matt Forte

02.01 Jimmy Graham

03.12 Doug Martin

04.01 Jordy Nelson

05.12 Antonio Brown

06.01 Tony Romo

07.12 Darrius Heyward-Bey

08.01 Peyton Hillis

09.12 Greg Little

10.01 Nate Washington

11.12 Jacquizz Rodgers

12.01 Brandon LaFell

13.12 Ronnie Hillman

14.01 Alshon Jeffery

15.12 Rashad Jennings

16.01 Patriots D

Wasnt planning on going TE at 2.01 but the first round went a little unexpected. I reached for a couple guys late but I think it went well overall. Only pick I regret is Greg Little. I swore he wouldn't be on my team this year...

No offense but that looks horrible.You are not particularly strong or deep at any position except TE.

Horrible? I guess your entitled to your opinion. The Martin pick at 3.12, I understand the hate on that I guess. SJax, R.Bush and Gore were what was left of the top 20 RB's. I felt better with him due to what I think is a high ceiling for him vs. the other 3. Yah, I could've gone receiver, but I felt like I could get better value on WR's later in the draft. IMHO as far as a risk vs. reward, hes a nice pick there given what was on the board.

As for the Graham pick, being at 12...I was taking the two best value players regardless of position. It happened to be Forte and Graham, I'll take that all day at 12.

Thanks for all the feedback

You are not deep at any position

 

[joey]

I don't understand when some folks try to differentiate between the 3rd round and 4th round picks. Or the 5th and 6th for that matter.

YOU'RE AT THE TURN. THOSE PICKS ARE CONSECUTIVE AND IDENTICAL for all intents and purposes.

Whatever 2 players you like best when it gets to your 3.12 pick, guess what, the other one is available at your 4.01 pick.

There's much less playing the "4th round value card" when picking 12th since you're forced to take the guy you want most there since he most likely won't last 23 more picks til the next time you draft. Doesn't matter if their ADP is 4.1, 4.12 or heck, even 5.10, if you want that guy, you need to take him at 4.01.

btw, doing one or two mocks a night from the 12 slot and still like the results of going RB/RB in the 1/2 with the WRs that drop to 3/4. The other option I didn't mind was going RB/QB (one of Stafford or Cam) and then many times someone like Bradshaw or Gore falls to the 3.12, pair one of them up with a WR, then there are guys like Bowe, VJax, etc sitting at the 5/6 turn to get your 2nd WR then. But I still prefer the RB/RB 1/2 turn results for my tastes.

 

[Sweetness_34]

I don't understand when some folks try to differentiate between the 3rd round and 4th round picks. Or the 5th and 6th for that matter.YOU'RE AT THE TURN. THOSE PICKS ARE CONSECUTIVE AND IDENTICAL for all intents and purposes.Whatever 2 players you like best when it gets to your 3.12 pick, guess what, the other one is available at your 4.01 pick.There's much less playing the "4th round value card" when picking 12th since you're forced to take the guy you want most there since he most likely won't last 23 more picks til the next time you draft. Doesn't matter if their ADP is 4.1, 4.12 or heck, even 5.10, if you want that guy, you need to take him at 4.01.btw, doing one or two mocks a night from the 12 slot and still like the results of going RB/RB in the 1/2 with the WRs that drop to 3/4. The other option I didn't mind was going RB/QB (one of Stafford or Cam) and then many times someone like Bradshaw or Gore falls to the 3.12, pair one of them up with a WR, then there are guys like Bowe, VJax, etc sitting at the 5/6 turn to get your 2nd WR then. But I still prefer the RB/RB 1/2 turn results for my tastes.

But which RB do you pick if you lose out on top 3 RBs; top 3QBs; Forte; McGadden; Megatron; CJ; MJD.....then what? Murray? TRich?

 

[fanaticskinsfan]

Just did the 3/4 turn.I now have a roster ofMatt RyanFred JacksonFitzgeraldJohnsonStay tuned...

Which Johnson are your talking about, CJ2K or Andre?

 

[Christo]

Drafted at 12 before Matthews' injury:

1 - R. Matthews

2 - MJD

3 - A. Bradshaw

4 - J. Jones

5 - F. Jackson

6 - S. Johnson

7 - P. Rivers

8 - R. Wayne

9 - D. Brown

10- S. Rice

11- M. Ingram

12- R. Cobb

13- G. Hartley

14- N. England

15- A. Smith

16- D. Wilson