OFFICIAL 12TH PICK IN A 12 TEAM PPR (1 Viewer)

[joey]

I don't understand when some folks try to differentiate between the 3rd round and 4th round picks. Or the 5th and 6th for that matter.YOU'RE AT THE TURN. THOSE PICKS ARE CONSECUTIVE AND IDENTICAL for all intents and purposes.Whatever 2 players you like best when it gets to your 3.12 pick, guess what, the other one is available at your 4.01 pick.There's much less playing the "4th round value card" when picking 12th since you're forced to take the guy you want most there since he most likely won't last 23 more picks til the next time you draft. Doesn't matter if their ADP is 4.1, 4.12 or heck, even 5.10, if you want that guy, you need to take him at 4.01.btw, doing one or two mocks a night from the 12 slot and still like the results of going RB/RB in the 1/2 with the WRs that drop to 3/4. The other option I didn't mind was going RB/QB (one of Stafford or Cam) and then many times someone like Bradshaw or Gore falls to the 3.12, pair one of them up with a WR, then there are guys like Bowe, VJax, etc sitting at the 5/6 turn to get your 2nd WR then. But I still prefer the RB/RB 1/2 turn results for my tastes.

But which RB do you pick if you lose out on top 3 RBs; top 3QBs; Forte; McGadden; Megatron; CJ; MJD.....then what? Murray? TRich?

My only redraft league draft is in 2 weeks, so it gives me a couple of preseason games to see how Peterson and Charles a looking. I'll take the one or both of them if they're looking good to go this year or, go Murray (he makes me nervous) or there's always SJax, who's finished RB14 or better 7 years in a row. As long as you think he has one more year in him, he's a pretty good pick there. Yeah, it's a crap shoot. I hate the 12 slot this year.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

After the 5/6 it's

Matt Ryan

Fred Jackson

Fitz

Andre Johnson

Maclin

Tony Gonzalez

 

[pantherclub]

After the 5/6 it'sMatt RyanFred JacksonFitzAndre JohnsonMaclinTony Gonzalez

see that has the makings of a solid team. strong Wr's, above average qb pairing him with his TE and a semi solid foundation at running back. I assume that since you have filled out your wr spot that others will be scrambling now to do the same allowing some running backs to slip through.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

After the 5/6 it'sMatt RyanFred JacksonFitzAndre JohnsonMaclinTony Gonzalez

see that has the makings of a solid team. strong Wr's, above average qb pairing him with his TE and a semi solid foundation at running back. I assume that since you have filled out your wr spot that others will be scrambling now to do the same allowing some running backs to slip through.

That's the plan. I thought about taking McGahee with the Maclin pick but I think I can cobble something together from here.

 

[fanaticskinsfan]

After the 5/6 it'sMatt RyanFred JacksonFitzAndre JohnsonMaclinTony Gonzalez

It looks good so far, but could you have waited on Matt Ryan? I suppose you took him at the 3/4 turn. Maybe get two rbs at the 3/4 turn.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

After the 5/6 it'sMatt RyanFred JacksonFitzAndre JohnsonMaclinTony Gonzalez

It looks good so far, but could you have waited on Matt Ryan? I suppose you took him at the 3/4 turn. Maybe get two rbs at the 3/4 turn.

Maybe. But in this league I'm drafting in all tds are 6 points.Plus, I just think he's going to blow up this year like Stafford did last so I didn't want to take the chance I'd miss out.

 

[Concept Coop]

how often have you seen career record breaking seasons followed up by career record breaking seasons? It simply doesnt happen especially at the TE position. Now I am not saying he is going to have a bad year or that he will not be the #1 TE but I am saying he will not be close in his production from last year. I will make any bet on that. History has proven it time and time again.

He wasn't used as a traditional TE, so why should his stats be tied to traditional TEs?From what I remebmer, he was VERY often spread out wide, or in a slot like position. So, if he is playing more WR than TE, why can't he put up good WR numbers? And if you want to make a bet, I'm your guy. 1,200/10 - I'll make that bet anyday of the week. There was nothing flukey about his season. He got plenty of targets and was dominant. There is nothing to suggest that will change. History has nothing to with the numbers he will put up in 2012.

 

[rizzler]

how often have you seen career record breaking seasons followed up by career record breaking seasons? It simply doesnt happen especially at the TE position. Now I am not saying he is going to have a bad year or that he will not be the #1 TE but I am saying he will not be close in his production from last year. I will make any bet on that. History has proven it time and time again.

Sig bet. One year. You in?Let's state the terms. I'd kill to have you carry my sig.

1310/11 last season

As stated above, I also proposes he goes 1200/10 or better on the season (or the FF equivalent based on 1pt/10yds and 6pt/td) . Deal?

 

[pantherclub]

how often have you seen career record breaking seasons followed up by career record breaking seasons? It simply doesnt happen especially at the TE position. Now I am not saying he is going to have a bad year or that he will not be the #1 TE but I am saying he will not be close in his production from last year. I will make any bet on that. History has proven it time and time again.

Sig bet. One year. You in?Let's state the terms. I'd kill to have you carry my sig.

1310/11 last season

As stated above, I also proposes he goes 1200/10 or better on the season (or the FF equivalent based on 1pt/10yds and 6pt/td) . Deal?

why not make it his stats from last year? that seems to be the argument

 

[rizzler]

how often have you seen career record breaking seasons followed up by career record breaking seasons? It simply doesnt happen especially at the TE position. Now I am not saying he is going to have a bad year or that he will not be the #1 TE but I am saying he will not be close in his production from last year. I will make any bet on that. History has proven it time and time again.

Sig bet. One year. You in?Let's state the terms. I'd kill to have you carry my sig.

1310/11 last season

As stated above, I also proposes he goes 1200/10 or better on the season (or the FF equivalent based on 1pt/10yds and 6pt/td) . Deal?

why not make it his stats from last year? that seems to be the argument

Your words. "he will not be close in his production from last year".1200/10. Or are you backing out of your own words?

 

[pantherclub]

I take CC's bet then

 

[rizzler]

I take CC's bet then

Cleanup in aisle 6 (Feminen Hygiene Products)

 

[Andy Dufresne]

After the 5/6 it'sMatt RyanFred JacksonBeanie WellsMark IngramFitzAndre JohnsonMaclinTony Gonzalez

Don't know if anyone's interested in me posting this, but FYI by the time it got to the 7/8 the bones were pretty picked over for RBs. I liked the Wells pick but am not at all sure about the Ingram pick. The only other backs in consideration were Kevin Smith and C.J. Spiller but I didn't want him since I already had Jackson.

 

[fanaticskinsfan]

After the 5/6 it'sMatt RyanFred JacksonBeanie WellsMark IngramFitzAndre JohnsonMaclinTony Gonzalez

Don't know if anyone's interested in me posting this, but FYI by the time it got to the 7/8 the bones were pretty picked over for RBs. I liked the Wells pick but am not at all sure about the Ingram pick. The only other backs in consideration were Kevin Smith and C.J. Spiller but I didn't want him since I already had Jackson.

So what receivers were available. So are you regretting going wr/wr in the 1/2 round?

 

[pantherclub]

After the 5/6 it'sMatt RyanFred JacksonBeanie WellsMark IngramFitzAndre JohnsonMaclinTony Gonzalez

Don't know if anyone's interested in me posting this, but FYI by the time it got to the 7/8 the bones were pretty picked over for RBs. I liked the Wells pick but am not at all sure about the Ingram pick. The only other backs in consideration were Kevin Smith and C.J. Spiller but I didn't want him since I already had Jackson.

Nothing wrong with the Ingrahm pick. Thats about where he is going and the offense he is on is obviously one of the best so no shame there.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

So what receivers were available. So are you regretting going wr/wr in the 1/2 round?

1. DHB/Lance Moore/Meachem/Boldin/Santonio/Titus Young/Nate Washington/Malcom Floyd/Crabtree 2. No, not really. But that's possibly because of how our rosters are set:QBRBRB/WRWRWR/TETEIt's a bit unique, I think. To answer the meat of your question, if I had to start 2 RBs, I probably would be wishing I'd taken another one earlier than I did.

 

[fanaticskinsfan]

See in my league we need to start 1qb, 2rb, 2wr, 1te & 1flex(rb/wr/te). So I am not sure I want to go wr/wr at the 1/2 turn since I have to start 2 rb. That is the debate I am struggling with.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Personally, I've just resigned myself to the fact that if I don't get one of the top 3, maybe 4, RBs that I'm going to load up as much as I can on the other positions and deal with the RB spot later.

This is exactly why I like PPR leagues, though, as it evens out the scoring and makes it more fair for the guys that miss out on the top TD production players - which are normally the top RBs.

 

[Bruce Leroy]

This is exactly why I like PPR leagues, though, as it evens out the scoring and makes it more fair for the guys that miss out on the top TD production players - which are normally the top RBs.

In the old days, if you didn't have one of the top RB's you were screwed. In PPR it's even from picks 1-12.Our league has .5 PPR for RB's / 1.0 PPR for WR / 1.5 PPR for TE (like the subscriber contest)I think the scoring above makes the league really balanced. This is coming from a guy that had Ray Rice last year.Fortunately I also drafted Jimmy Graham & Jordy Nelson after blowing my 2nd & 3rd round pick on Mendenhall/Philip Rivers You don't need RB/RB in your 1st 2 picks anymore

 

[Imagine]

It's been about a week since there have been any posts to this 12th pick thread. If any of you out there are still interested, I'd love to hear how things have gone, and if anything is changing your minds, or if you are having any "buyer's remorse" about any particular strategy for the 12/13 picks.

I just drew the 12th slot in a 12 team NON-PPR league, 1QB,2RB,2WR,1TE plus 1 RB/WR flex, and 4 pts for passing TDs. Otherwise pretty standard.

Thanks!

 

[bouch097]

Glad I came across this thread. The exact topic I was looking for with one of my drafts this weekend. As much as I hate taking two somewhat weak RB options at the 1/2 turn, if your league starts 2RB's or more, you end up way too weak at RB if you don't. I came here to convince myself otherwise, but after looking at endless mocks and ADP data sets, and reading through this thread, I just don't see any way around it.

Now, some of you were giving "ThaDude" grief about taking Martin at the 3/4 turn. Maybe if he would have swapped his 3.12 and 4.01 it would have at least sounded better than "He took Martin in the 3rd round". Early 4th is about where his ADP is. In his case, Steven Jackson was left, but I don't think that's typical (Personally, I would have jumped on him instead). In most cases, at the 3/4, Martin is about all there is left other than who? Bush? Gore? Turner? I'd take Martin over any of those options. There is a small chance Bradshaw would be there, but that's not much improvement. So, if you DON'T go RB/RB at the 1/2, IMO, you are taking a huge gamble that either someone like SJax will be there, or that you're going to hit a home run with a RB in the middle rounds. If not, you're likely stuck with Martin as your RB2.

So, here's my question (finally, yes I know... Sorry, I tend to ramble). Taking RB/RB at the 1/2, how do you guys rank the RB's that are likely left?

My league is 4pt for pass TD's, but I'm going to make the following assumptions about when my turn comes:

Megatron and the Top 3 QB's are gone-Brees would probably be worth the value if he slid, but I doubt he will be there.

Top 6 RB's are gone (including CJ2whatever, DMC, and Forte)

Either MDJ or Matthews will be probably be gone-There always seems to be one guy in the league that isn't up to date. Most leagues have one "Taco". ("Vicuna"'s league is apparently a friggin' taco stand though)

For now, we'll also assume that MJD hasn't reported yet.

That really only leaves you with: Murray, AP, Charles, and maybe Sproles and TRich as the only RB options even worth considering for PPR. How do you rank them? Oh, and there is no TE required... So, taking TE here wouldn't make much sense either.

 

[GDogg]

Glad I came across this thread. The exact topic I was looking for with one of my drafts this weekend. As much as I hate taking two somewhat weak RB options at the 1/2 turn, if your league starts 2RB's or more, you end up way too weak at RB if you don't. I came here to convince myself otherwise, but after looking at endless mocks and ADP data sets, and reading through this thread, I just don't see any way around it.Now, some of you were giving "ThaDude" grief about taking Martin at the 3/4 turn. Maybe if he would have swapped his 3.12 and 4.01 it would have at least sounded better than "He took Martin in the 3rd round". Early 4th is about where his ADP is. In his case, Steven Jackson was left, but I don't think that's typical (Personally, I would have jumped on him instead). In most cases, at the 3/4, Martin is about all there is left other than who? Bush? Gore? Turner? I'd take Martin over any of those options. There is a small chance Bradshaw would be there, but that's not much improvement. So, if you DON'T go RB/RB at the 1/2, IMO, you are taking a huge gamble that either someone like SJax will be there, or that you're going to hit a home run with a RB in the middle rounds. If not, you're likely stuck with Martin as your RB2.So, here's my question (finally, yes I know... Sorry, I tend to ramble). Taking RB/RB at the 1/2, how do you guys rank the RB's that are likely left?My league is 4pt for pass TD's, but I'm going to make the following assumptions about when my turn comes:Megatron and the Top 3 QB's are gone-Brees would probably be worth the value if he slid, but I doubt he will be there.Top 6 RB's are gone (including CJ2whatever, DMC, and Forte)Either MDJ or Matthews will be probably be gone-There always seems to be one guy in the league that isn't up to date. Most leagues have one "Taco". ("Vicuna"'s league is apparently a friggin' taco stand though)For now, we'll also assume that MJD hasn't reported yet.That really only leaves you with: Murray, AP, Charles, and Sproles as the only RB options even worth considering for PPR. How do you rank them?

MurrayMathews/MJD/RichardsonRichardson/MJD/MathewsMJD/Mathews/RichardsonSprolesI wouldn't draft Peterson or Charles before the 4th or 5th round. Maybe they do well, but I am not going to grab a dude coming off ACL/MCL/PCL tears no matter how great he tells everyone he feels or a dude coming off an ACL tear as my RB1 or RB2 in the first two rounds. It's just waaaay too much risk for me.

 

[bouch097]

Yeah, I suppose I could have thrown Mathews into the equation as an option as well, but I just got him at 3.08 a couple days ago. After that, I'm not sure I could pull the trigger on him at the 1/2...lol.

 

[GDogg]

Yeah, I suppose I could have thrown Mathews into the equation as an option as well, but I just got him at 3.08 a couple days ago. After that, I'm not sure I could pull the trigger on him at the 1/2...lol.

Why not? He went at 3.08 and that doesn't mean he's going to make it to 3.12. I'd bet he won't. Just because a bunch of your leaguemates in your other league made a mistake by passing on him doesn't mean you should do the same. Just make sure to draft an RB3 that you can use in Weeks 1 and 2.

 

[fanaticskinsfan]

Glad I came across this thread. The exact topic I was looking for with one of my drafts this weekend. As much as I hate taking two somewhat weak RB options at the 1/2 turn, if your league starts 2RB's or more, you end up way too weak at RB if you don't. I came here to convince myself otherwise, but after looking at endless mocks and ADP data sets, and reading through this thread, I just don't see any way around it.Now, some of you were giving "ThaDude" grief about taking Martin at the 3/4 turn. Maybe if he would have swapped his 3.12 and 4.01 it would have at least sounded better than "He took Martin in the 3rd round". Early 4th is about where his ADP is. In his case, Steven Jackson was left, but I don't think that's typical (Personally, I would have jumped on him instead). In most cases, at the 3/4, Martin is about all there is left other than who? Bush? Gore? Turner? I'd take Martin over any of those options. There is a small chance Bradshaw would be there, but that's not much improvement. So, if you DON'T go RB/RB at the 1/2, IMO, you are taking a huge gamble that either someone like SJax will be there, or that you're going to hit a home run with a RB in the middle rounds. If not, you're likely stuck with Martin as your RB2.So, here's my question (finally, yes I know... Sorry, I tend to ramble). Taking RB/RB at the 1/2, how do you guys rank the RB's that are likely left?My league is 4pt for pass TD's, but I'm going to make the following assumptions about when my turn comes:Megatron and the Top 3 QB's are gone-Brees would probably be worth the value if he slid, but I doubt he will be there.Top 6 RB's are gone (including CJ2whatever, DMC, and Forte)Either MDJ or Matthews will be probably be gone-There always seems to be one guy in the league that isn't up to date. Most leagues have one "Taco". ("Vicuna"'s league is apparently a friggin' taco stand though)For now, we'll also assume that MJD hasn't reported yet.That really only leaves you with: Murray, AP, Charles, and maybe Sproles and TRich as the only RB options even worth considering for PPR. How do you rank them? Oh, and there is no TE required... So, taking TE here wouldn't make much sense either.

Thats why I was thinking of going Murray & WR. Maybe Welker, Julio. I am just too afraid to take Fitz & AJ. Don't know who is throwing to Fitz & AJ has hammy issues too much.

 

[bouch097]

Glad I came across this thread. The exact topic I was looking for with one of my drafts this weekend. As much as I hate taking two somewhat weak RB options at the 1/2 turn, if your league starts 2RB's or more, you end up way too weak at RB if you don't. I came here to convince myself otherwise, but after looking at endless mocks and ADP data sets, and reading through this thread, I just don't see any way around it.Now, some of you were giving "ThaDude" grief about taking Martin at the 3/4 turn. Maybe if he would have swapped his 3.12 and 4.01 it would have at least sounded better than "He took Martin in the 3rd round". Early 4th is about where his ADP is. In his case, Steven Jackson was left, but I don't think that's typical (Personally, I would have jumped on him instead). In most cases, at the 3/4, Martin is about all there is left other than who? Bush? Gore? Turner? I'd take Martin over any of those options. There is a small chance Bradshaw would be there, but that's not much improvement. So, if you DON'T go RB/RB at the 1/2, IMO, you are taking a huge gamble that either someone like SJax will be there, or that you're going to hit a home run with a RB in the middle rounds. If not, you're likely stuck with Martin as your RB2.So, here's my question (finally, yes I know... Sorry, I tend to ramble). Taking RB/RB at the 1/2, how do you guys rank the RB's that are likely left?My league is 4pt for pass TD's, but I'm going to make the following assumptions about when my turn comes:Megatron and the Top 3 QB's are gone-Brees would probably be worth the value if he slid, but I doubt he will be there.Top 6 RB's are gone (including CJ2whatever, DMC, and Forte)Either MDJ or Matthews will be probably be gone-There always seems to be one guy in the league that isn't up to date. Most leagues have one "Taco". ("Vicuna"'s league is apparently a friggin' taco stand though)For now, we'll also assume that MJD hasn't reported yet.That really only leaves you with: Murray, AP, Charles, and maybe Sproles and TRich as the only RB options even worth considering for PPR. How do you rank them? Oh, and there is no TE required... So, taking TE here wouldn't make much sense either.

Thats why I was thinking of going Murray & WR. Maybe Welker, Julio. I am just too afraid to take Fitz & AJ. Don't know who is throwing to Fitz & AJ has hammy issues too much.

I really like Julio this year, so if that's your strategy, I don't think you'll regret having him on your squad. I just think the value dropoff at WR is much less than the dropoff will be at RB when you grab your RB2. But if you're in a flex league that only starts 1 RB, RB/WR, RB/QB, or RB/WR are great ways to go. And yeah, I'm a bit scared of AJ and Fitz. Especially AJ. Fitz has done well in the preseason, but I've had him the past two years and his week to week production is very inconsistent w/ Kolb and Skelton. Less so with Skelton, but inconsistent nevertheless.

 

[joey]

Just picked from the 12 in a 12 team, non-ppr, non-TE-mandatory, 4pt Pass Td, 1/2/3/1/1 league.

Ended up with:

Forte

Charles

Nicks

SSmith

Rivers

McGahee

DeAngelo Williams

David Wilson (couldn't resist hording RBs)

S Holmes

Crabtree

TB M Williams

Mendenhall

Pretty apply overall. Backup QBs went early, so I decided to live and die by Rivers only.

Not psyched about my 3rd WR slot but I always seem to work something out between a bunch

of underrated vets or the free agent wire.

Happy Forte fell to me at the first turn and decided to swing for the fences with Charles who appears healthy so far.

As many have said in this thread, love the WR value at the 3/4 turn, so happy to grab Nicks and Smith there.

Rivers was the last of the top 9-ish QBs who I'd be happy with.

A pretty conventional draft without too much outside the box thinking. Oh well. Cll me boring, I guess.

 

[The Great Snook]

Jimmy Graham

Julio Jones

Jamaal Charles

Matt Ryan (QB's are a premium in this league)

Steve Johnson

Miles Austin

Kevin Smith

Toby Gerhart

Denarius Moore

Jonathan Stewart

Andrew Luck

Stephen Gostkowski

New England

Evan Royster

I put the spaces in as these picks are back to back so there isn't any point of arguing if Jones should have been in the first round and graham in the second.

This is a QB RB WR TE 3Flex K D/ST league so weakness in RB and or WR can be managed through the flex positions.

 

[sn0mm1s]

Repost from another thread - this team was chosen 8/25 and Bullock hadn't gone on IR (but who really cares about Ks?)

12th spot, PPR, 1QB, 2RB, 2WR, 1TE 1FLEX, K, D, 18 rounds

First round went Foster, Rice, McCoy, Chris, DMac, ARod, Forte, Calvin, MJD, Brees, Lynch

Tom Brady

Jimmy Graham

Adrian Peterson

Victor Cruz

Donald Brown

Vincent Jackson

Darrius Heyward-Bey

Brandon Pettigrew

Toby Gerhart

Ben Tate

Isaac Redman

Rashard Mendenhall

Andy Dalton

Randall Cobb

Doug Baldwin

Robert Turbin

Randy Bullock

Pittsburgh

 

[fanaticskinsfan]

Repost from another thread - this team was chosen 8/25 and Bullock hadn't gone on IR (but who really cares about Ks?)12th spot, PPR, 1QB, 2RB, 2WR, 1TE 1FLEX, K, D, 18 roundsFirst round went Foster, Rice, McCoy, Chris, DMac, ARod, Forte, Calvin, MJD, Brees, LynchTom BradyJimmy GrahamAdrian PetersonVictor CruzDonald BrownVincent JacksonDarrius Heyward-BeyBrandon PettigrewToby GerhartBen TateIsaac RedmanRashard MendenhallAndy DaltonRandall CobbDoug BaldwinRobert TurbinRandy BullockPittsburgh

That league is exactly like mine. We have the same starting requirements and number of rounds in the draft. I don't love your rbs. I am still very nervous about ADP. I do like that you picked up both Redman & Mendenhall, but Donald Brown just look awful against the Skins and Toby Gerhart and Ben Tate are both backups. I like Victor Cruz, but I like Vjax more as a 3rd wr then a 2nd wr. I am guessing you will be starting both Jimmy Grahama and Pettigrew as your TE & Flex. Otherwise you may want to trade Pettigrew after a few games to pick up a better rb or wr. Just mho.

 

[pantherclub]

how often have you seen career record breaking seasons followed up by career record breaking seasons? It simply doesnt happen especially at the TE position. Now I am not saying he is going to have a bad year or that he will not be the #1 TE but I am saying he will not be close in his production from last year. I will make any bet on that. History has proven it time and time again.

Sig bet. One year. You in?Let's state the terms. I'd kill to have you carry my sig.

1310/11 last season

As stated above, I also proposes he goes 1200/10 or better on the season (or the FF equivalent based on 1pt/10yds and 6pt/td) . Deal?

Not looking good for you or Coop

 

[Concept Coop]

Not looking good for you or Coop

He's been injured and hasn't been the same, or targeted at the same rate, since. Congrats?

 

[pantherclub]

Not looking good for you or Coop

He's been injured and hasn't been the same, or targeted at the same rate, since. Congrats?

Thats not my problem

 

[pantherclub]

I am going to need some help deciding on his sig.

 

[Concept Coop]

I am going to need some help deciding on his sig.

Whose? You never agreed to bet with Rizzler, and you and I never decided on stakes.

 

[pantherclub]

I am going to need some help deciding on his sig.

Whose? You never agreed to bet with Rizzler, and you and I never decided on stakes.

Sig betDont back out

 

[Concept Coop]

I am going to need some help deciding on his sig.

Whose? You never agreed to bet with Rizzler, and you and I never decided on stakes.

Sig betDont back out

Back out? Show me where we made a bet and agreed to terms and I'll gladly stick to it.ETA: Since you're trying to manufacture a bet, creating your own stakes retroactively, why stop at a sig bet? Why not money? Or a car? Or a jet?

 

[pantherclub]

I am going to need some help deciding on his sig.

Whose? You never agreed to bet with Rizzler, and you and I never decided on stakes.

Sig betDont back out

Back out? Show me where we made a bet and agreed to terms and I'll gladly stick to it.ETA: Since you're trying to manufacture a bet, creating your own stakes retroactively, why stop at a sig bet? Why not money? Or a car? Or a jet?

weak dude hopefully rizzler doesnt back out

 

[Concept Coop]

weak dude hopefully rizzler doesnt back out

I don't think you understand how bets work; you didn't make a bet with either of us. But good luck to you.