*** OFFICIAL *** 13/14 Off-Season Dynasty Trade Thread (2 Viewers)

[maxhyde]

I guess but at some point the value on your roster has to be good for something. If you are trying to win a move like this doesn't really negatively impact your total roster value very much and should give you a better shot at competing this year. Always some tradeoffs

Stashing value is great but that usually doesn't win very many championships.

 

[Concept Coop]

The problem with siding with history is that FJax keeps getting older and Ingram keeps getting closer to free agency. Yes, the past two years, FJax wound up paying out significantly more than Ingram, but it's like a coin flip where the odds keep getting biased more and more in favor of tails with every flip. Sure, it came up heads the last three flips, but that doesn't mean you should keep betting on it to come up heads in perpetuity. That's even worse than the gambler's fallacy, because instead of remaining unchanged, the odds are actually getting progressively worse.

In terms of career VBD, you're absolutely right. But that's not all we're measuring. You don't acquire Manning, Gonzo, Jackson, TO(Cincy) type assets for their career VBD.

Q-Romo

R-Jackson

W-Julio

F-Allen

F-Fitz

F-Patterson/Williams

TE-Witten

You don't punt away a year of this core's window for the potential that Mark Ingram turns into Toby Gerhart in a start 1 RB league.

 

[r0llin_game]

12 team PPR

Gave Joique Bell

Get Tavon Austin

Austin for me. Think JBell should come cheaper than that

12 team PPR

Gave Shane Vereen

Get Ryan Mathews

Vereen for now

Agree with these

 

[r0llin_game]

Got to value the proven talent of KW over all the rookies this year except maybe the top three. There's just to much risk of these youngsters busting.

And there's risk of Wright not breaking 80/900 and being basically what Cecil Shorts is. Valuewise, it's much safer to invest in someone like Adams whose upside isn't questioned. Most of Wright's points came with QBs no longer in Tenn. He's the perfect guy for Fitzpatrick, not Locker. There's a ton of WRs I'd happily downgrade Wright to. Wright is far from a safe investment, and if you're blindly looking at ADP he's way overvalued.

While I somewhat disagree with saying the Wright is far from a safe investment, I do think his value is pretty capped. Two years ago he was going anywhere near 1.08-2.02 if I had to guess in rookie drafts. I still think his value is roughly the same. He's got a way higher floor than the rookies at that spot, but I'd rather gamble on the upside of the Kelvin Benjamin, Latimer, Davante Adams, Marqise Lee, and Allen Robinson. Especially if I have some a solid WR core at 1-3.

KW is only capped by his QB right now. The new offense they are putting in is going to increase his deep targets a little. I got him at 100 receptions, 1150 yards, and 5-6 TD's this year. Which will put him at WR15ish I traded for KW last week so I'm could be biased and I recognize that. I have had mixed reviews on the trade but a couple of things to note. I feel KW is only going to get better moving forward. That league I'm in has short benches so you can only hold/wait for one or two rookies to develop. I already have Cooks and ASJ on that team so holding another rookie WR that could take literally 3 years to develop would have been extremely difficult.At this point I would rank those second tier WR listed in this order. Latimer> Adams> Robinson> >Benjamin>>>Lee. KW's proven production is above all of them. Non of those WR are going in you starting line up this year or next maybe besides Benjamin. We are not even factoring in bust rates for these guys yet. None of those guys are a lock to have a 1000 yard receiving season or anywhere close to 100 receptions.

Not one of my teams but in my 12 team PPR dynasty league today

Team A gets: Justin Hunter, Cooks, J. Bell, A. Williams

Team B gets: L. Bell, Evans, Golden Tate, Donald Brown

I like team B a little better but it's pretty close. Depends how much you like Justin Hunter and how many WR can be started. L. Bell is the best player in the deal but that could easily change by next year and Cooks could be the best player in the deal.

Or Evans could be. I'm not a huge Evans fan, and do like Cooks a lot, but I think Evans is the clear 1.02 in rookie drafts.

Value wise I look at that trade like this.

Evans/Donald Brown => Cooks/Andre Williams

Golden Tate >>> Joique

Le'Veon >>> Hunter.

I'm also a Hunter fan and not really a Le'Veon fan, but Le'Veon's value, start up wise is a good four rounds ahead of Hunter's.

Nice post. I know it's not popular on this site and I do take their rankings into consideration when I'm ranking rookies but I have Cooks>Evans in PPR. Evans certainly has more upside but keep in mind his biggest advantage should be in the red zone and Tampa also added a red zone monster in ASJ. That's certainly going to cut into Evans targets in that area of the field. Evans is the riskier pick of the two because there is a lot of mouths to feed and they could run a good amount of scores in with Martin as well. Cooks is walking into the perfect situation. Elite QB + Elite offense + aging WR1 on the roster + Can't double him because of Jimmy. I'm a big Andre Williams fan as well. What tips the scales in favor of team B for me is Le'Veon Bell. He's going to be the Steelers bell cow for 5 years.Evans/ Brown<<Cooks/Williams

Tate>>> Joique

Le'Veon Bell>>>Hunter

I'll reply to both of those as one post.

If you think Kendall Wright is going to receive much more longer targets this year, but only project him at 100/1150, that pretty much exactly what he did last year (11.5 ypc). He did this with really no other good receiver on the team, or one that was NFL ready yet. He put up 94/1079 last year. Justin Hunter will eat into those targets, or at the very least, should. That itself should limit some of the targets KW receives. While I still think he will be rather productive, I also think Locker looked pretty decent last year before getting injured. If I had to put a number of what KW will do, I think something like 85 (145 targets)/1000 yards, and would agree with about 5-6 TDs. I do think those are solid numbers, as it would put him almost exactly where he was at last year, a low WR2, I think that's essentially what his upside is capped at. While I don't mind the deal you pulled off with getting him, certainly with how high you are on Andre Williams, you still managed to draft Mark Ingram ahead of him, also taking him ahead of Allen Robinson and Donte Moncrief. While Moncrief won't be heavily targeted this year and might not see much PT, he's a WR worth waiting two years for, especially with Andrew Luck at QB. With what you did, I would rather take Jordan Matthews there who could easily put up a 70/1000/8 stat line in Chip's offense, as a rookie.

While I can definitely respect you for having Cooks ahead of Evans, I still haven't been able to rank Cooks ahead. As you said, there are a lot of mouths to feed (in the redzone) in TB, there's even more to feed in Nola. I know you're super high on ASJ, as taking him at 1.10 is pretty evident of that, I however think that is a pretty big reach, especially in this talented draft class. VJax is 31, and has Evans next to him with really no 3rd WR option, I think they will all get their fair share of redzone opportunies. While Evans should be a beast down there, I think it's pretty likely that he could end up with 10 TDs as he probably will benefit from VJax getting double. While ASJ should too, I think you could have held off and gotten ASJ at 2.05 pretty easily.

 

[Milkman]

Got to value the proven talent of KW over all the rookies this year except maybe the top three. There's just to much risk of these youngsters busting.

And there's risk of Wright not breaking 80/900 and being basically what Cecil Shorts is. Valuewise, it's much safer to invest in someone like Adams whose upside isn't questioned. Most of Wright's points came with QBs no longer in Tenn. He's the perfect guy for Fitzpatrick, not Locker. There's a ton of WRs I'd happily downgrade Wright to. Wright is far from a safe investment, and if you're blindly looking at ADP he's way overvalued.

While I somewhat disagree with saying the Wright is far from a safe investment, I do think his value is pretty capped. Two years ago he was going anywhere near 1.08-2.02 if I had to guess in rookie drafts. I still think his value is roughly the same. He's got a way higher floor than the rookies at that spot, but I'd rather gamble on the upside of the Kelvin Benjamin, Latimer, Davante Adams, Marqise Lee, and Allen Robinson. Especially if I have some a solid WR core at 1-3.

KW is only capped by his QB right now. The new offense they are putting in is going to increase his deep targets a little. I got him at 100 receptions, 1150 yards, and 5-6 TD's this year. Which will put him at WR15ish I traded for KW last week so I'm could be biased and I recognize that. I have had mixed reviews on the trade but a couple of things to note. I feel KW is only going to get better moving forward. That league I'm in has short benches so you can only hold/wait for one or two rookies to develop. I already have Cooks and ASJ on that team so holding another rookie WR that could take literally 3 years to develop would have been extremely difficult.At this point I would rank those second tier WR listed in this order. Latimer> Adams> Robinson> >Benjamin>>>Lee. KW's proven production is above all of them. Non of those WR are going in you starting line up this year or next maybe besides Benjamin. We are not even factoring in bust rates for these guys yet. None of those guys are a lock to have a 1000 yard receiving season or anywhere close to 100 receptions.

Not one of my teams but in my 12 team PPR dynasty league today

Team A gets: Justin Hunter, Cooks, J. Bell, A. Williams

Team B gets: L. Bell, Evans, Golden Tate, Donald Brown

I like team B a little better but it's pretty close. Depends how much you like Justin Hunter and how many WR can be started. L. Bell is the best player in the deal but that could easily change by next year and Cooks could be the best player in the deal.

Or Evans could be. I'm not a huge Evans fan, and do like Cooks a lot, but I think Evans is the clear 1.02 in rookie drafts.

Value wise I look at that trade like this.

Evans/Donald Brown => Cooks/Andre Williams

Golden Tate >>> Joique

Le'Veon >>> Hunter.

I'm also a Hunter fan and not really a Le'Veon fan, but Le'Veon's value, start up wise is a good four rounds ahead of Hunter's.

Nice post. I know it's not popular on this site and I do take their rankings into consideration when I'm ranking rookies but I have Cooks>Evans in PPR. Evans certainly has more upside but keep in mind his biggest advantage should be in the red zone and Tampa also added a red zone monster in ASJ. That's certainly going to cut into Evans targets in that area of the field. Evans is the riskier pick of the two because there is a lot of mouths to feed and they could run a good amount of scores in with Martin as well. Cooks is walking into the perfect situation. Elite QB + Elite offense + aging WR1 on the roster + Can't double him because of Jimmy. I'm a big Andre Williams fan as well. What tips the scales in favor of team B for me is Le'Veon Bell. He's going to be the Steelers bell cow for 5 years.Evans/ Brown<<Cooks/Williams

Tate>>> Joique

Le'Veon Bell>>>Hunter

I'll reply to both of those as one post.

If you think Kendall Wright is going to receive much more longer targets this year, but only project him at 100/1150, that pretty much exactly what he did last year (11.5 ypc). He did this with really no other good receiver on the team, or one that was NFL ready yet. He put up 94/1079 last year. Justin Hunter will eat into those targets, or at the very least, should. That itself should limit some of the targets KW receives. While I still think he will be rather productive, I also think Locker looked pretty decent last year before getting injured. If I had to put a number of what KW will do, I think something like 85 (145 targets)/1000 yards, and would agree with about 5-6 TDs. I do think those are solid numbers, as it would put him almost exactly where he was at last year, a low WR2, I think that's essentially what his upside is capped at. While I don't mind the deal you pulled off with getting him, certainly with how high you are on Andre Williams, you still managed to draft Mark Ingram ahead of him, also taking him ahead of Allen Robinson and Donte Moncrief. While Moncrief won't be heavily targeted this year and might not see much PT, he's a WR worth waiting two years for, especially with Andrew Luck at QB. With what you did, I would rather take Jordan Matthews there who could easily put up a 70/1000/8 stat line in Chip's offense, as a rookie.

While I can definitely respect you for having Cooks ahead of Evans, I still haven't been able to rank Cooks ahead. As you said, there are a lot of mouths to feed (in the redzone) in TB, there's even more to feed in Nola. I know you're super high on ASJ, as taking him at 1.10 is pretty evident of that, I however think that is a pretty big reach, especially in this talented draft class. VJax is 31, and has Evans next to him with really no 3rd WR option, I think they will all get their fair share of redzone opportunies. While Evans should be a beast down there, I think it's pretty likely that he could end up with 10 TDs as he probably will benefit from VJax getting double. While ASJ should too, I think you could have held off and gotten ASJ at 2.05 pretty easily.

In our draft thread the owner with the 2.01 said he was taking ASJ if he was there. I am high on him and I was desperately trying to trade down so I could snag ASJ in the second but couldn't get a deal where I didn't lose value overall moving down so in the end I just drafted who was my 5-6 rated prospect. ASJ is a 270 pound fluid basketball player with elite hands who can jump out of the gym playing TE. I feel he is going to be targeted a bunch in the red zone during his career. He might get more targets than Evans. It's a distinct possibility. In hindsight I'm glad I drafted him when I did because I would have lost him.

If I didn't trade the 1.05 I was drafting Matthews who I am super high on as well. The problem is in our league we really don't have room to draft 3 rookies and hold them along with rookies from the year before so that's another reason I made the deal and took a proven commodity instead. To me KW is Antonio Brown without a QB.

As far as Andre Williams vs Ingram goes it was a tough call but in the end I took the guy who is RB1 on the depth chart. Ingram has a couple things working in his favor. First he's in a contract year. Second Sproles is gone. Third he's only 25 years old and could end up in Indy or some place similar next year as a RB1. With Andre Williams he is behind Jennings and a rookie. If he fumbles one time he might not get another carry the rest of the season. Plus very few RB's who can't catch are FF relevant. It's funny because you kind of nailed who I was debating on taking at 1.05 and 2.05. Very few rookies I was interested in after 2.05 because we just don't have the room on our rosters.

As far as Cooks vs Evans. I wouldn't blame anybody for drafting any of the top three before each other really. There is a lot of mouths to feed in NO as well but they throw probably more than anybody. It was tough but I felt I needed to take the safer route and I felt Cooks was the safer pick. Barring injury I just don't see him busting ever really. I would have taken Cooks #1 overall. I hate where Watkins went and I'm not as high as others on him. I won't go into it more than that and tard this thread up.

 

[Adam Harstad]

The problem with siding with history is that FJax keeps getting older and Ingram keeps getting closer to free agency. Yes, the past two years, FJax wound up paying out significantly more than Ingram, but it's like a coin flip where the odds keep getting biased more and more in favor of tails with every flip. Sure, it came up heads the last three flips, but that doesn't mean you should keep betting on it to come up heads in perpetuity. That's even worse than the gambler's fallacy, because instead of remaining unchanged, the odds are actually getting progressively worse.

In terms of career VBD, you're absolutely right. But that's not all we're measuring. You don't acquire Manning, Gonzo, Jackson, TO(Cincy) type assets for their career VBD.

Q-Romo

R-Jackson

W-Julio

F-Allen

F-Fitz

F-Patterson/Williams

TE-Witten

You don't punt away a year of this core's window for the potential that Mark Ingram turns into Toby Gerhart in a start 1 RB league.

I never actually said anything about the trade itself. I have no problem with that trade, and I'm sure most of us have made many trades just like it through the years, dealing off mediocre long-term assets for mediocre short-term assets in the hope of aligning all our windows.

I was merely responding to a post that said "unless you believe Ingram is suddenly a useful dynasty asset" by saying that, yes, I do actually believe that Ingram is a useful dynasty asset, (although there was nothing too sudden about it.)

 

[Concept Coop]

I never actually said anything about the trade itself. I have no problem with that trade, and I'm sure most of us have made many trades just like it through the years, dealing off mediocre long-term assets for mediocre short-term assets in the hope of aligning all our windows.

I was merely responding to a post that said "unless you believe Ingram is suddenly a useful dynasty asset" by saying that, yes, I do actually believe that Ingram is a useful dynasty asset, (although there was nothing too sudden about it.)

I misunderstood you then; my apologies. For the record, I did not make the comment in question and think Ingram is a fine dynasty target, in a vacuum.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

The problem with siding with history is that FJax keeps getting older and Ingram keeps getting closer to free agency. Yes, the past two years, FJax wound up paying out significantly more than Ingram, but it's like a coin flip where the odds keep getting biased more and more in favor of tails with every flip. Sure, it came up heads the last three flips, but that doesn't mean you should keep betting on it to come up heads in perpetuity. That's even worse than the gambler's fallacy, because instead of remaining unchanged, the odds are actually getting progressively worse.

In terms of career VBD, you're absolutely right. But that's not all we're measuring. You don't acquire Manning, Gonzo, Jackson, TO(Cincy) type assets for their career VBD.

Q-Romo

R-Jackson

W-Julio

F-Allen

F-Fitz

F-Patterson/Williams

TE-Witten

You don't punt away a year of this core's window for the potential that Mark Ingram turns into Toby Gerhart in a start 1 RB league.

Given that actual roster, I'll change my initial position. That WR group looks strong, young, and deep to me as opposed to middling.

 

[deadlyrange0321]

10 team PPR 1QB 1RB 2WR 1TE 2FLEX

Team A trades:

Brandin Cooks

Justin Hunter

Team B trades:

Cordarrelle Patterson

 

[Concept Coop]

10 team PPR 1QB 1RB 2WR 1TE 2FLEX

Team A trades:

Brandin Cooks

Justin Hunter

Team B trades:

Cordarrelle Patterson

Wow. I think you could make an argument for Cooks or Hunter over Patterson--never mind both.

 

[False Start]

This just happened in my start 2 QB PPR league.

D. Thomas

for

K. Allen, D. Jackson and two 2015 3rds.

 

[False Start]

10 team PPR 1QB 1RB 2WR 1TE 2FLEX

Team A trades:

Brandin Cooks

Justin Hunter

Team B trades:

Cordarrelle Patterson

Wow. I think you could make an argument for Cooks or Hunter over Patterson--never mind both.

Have to agree. While I cant make the argument for Hunter, one can be made for Cooks upside and potential.

 

[maxhyde]

I never actually said anything about the trade itself. I have no problem with that trade, and I'm sure most of us have made many trades just like it through the years, dealing off mediocre long-term assets for mediocre short-term assets in the hope of aligning all our windows.

I was merely responding to a post that said "unless you believe Ingram is suddenly a useful dynasty asset" by saying that, yes, I do actually believe that Ingram is a useful dynasty asset, (although there was nothing too sudden about it.)

I misunderstood you then; my apologies. For the record, I did not make the comment in question and think Ingram is a fine dynasty target, in a vacuum.

I will own my "suddenly useful dynasty asset".

He is a guy that has declined in value every year in the league. Not sure waiting another year for him to become more useful than a low end trade asset is sudden but maybe it is semantics we disagree on. Unless he is a major contributor this year in NO I doubt his value will increase more than marginally until he actually signs somewhere there is a clear opportunity at RB. Then maybe he is worth a mid-late 1st but it is not a sudden increase and I am even suspicious that anyone will give that type of value for him next year in what appears from the long range outlook at least to be a very good year for RB's.

As a current dynasty asset I think FJax and DWill is about the best you could hope for now for immediate lineup help.

If I were rebuilding I would happily sit on him for another year but if I am in a position to compete I would sell him for lesser value pieces like this deal.

Adam Harstad, on 20 Aug 2014 - 3:21 PM, said:

The problem with siding with history is that FJax keeps getting older and Ingram keeps getting closer to free agency. Yes, the past two years, FJax wound up paying out significantly more than Ingram, but it's like a coin flip where the odds keep getting biased more and more in favor of tails with every flip. Sure, it came up heads the last three flips, but that doesn't mean you should keep betting on it to come up heads in perpetuity. That's even worse than the gambler's fallacy, because instead of remaining unchanged, the odds are actually getting progressively worse.

The problem I have with this is that Ingram has always been valued > Jackson since Ingram's rookie draft ( can't say for sure in devy leagues) and each year FJax outproduced.

The coin flip was the same odds all those years too...a chance for tails

 

[One More Rep]

10 team PPR 1QB 1RB 2WR 1TE 2FLEX

Team A trades:

Brandin Cooks

Justin Hunter

Team B trades:

Cordarrelle Patterson

Cooks/Hunter

 

[maxhyde]

10 team PPR 1QB 1RB 2WR 1TE 2FLEX

Team A trades:

Brandin Cooks

Justin Hunter

Team B trades:

Cordarrelle Patterson

Probably side with the 2 over the 1 here but I like all three guys alot

 

[Donsmith753]

16 tm start 1/2/3/1 and flex. .5ppr

Gave

Julio

Sankey

Reed

Got

Bernard

Gronk

Travis Benjamin

 

[SproutDaddy]

12 team PPR/IDP

Gave: Osweiler, Steve Smith, Cliff April

Got: Maclin, Mohammed Wilkerson

 

[maxhyde]

16 tm start 1/2/3/1 and flex. .5ppr

Gave

Julio

Sankey

Reed

Got

Bernard

Gronk

Travis Benjamin

Close but 2RB I might go with Gronk/Gio side

 

[maxhyde]

12 team PPR/IDP

Gave: Osweiler, Steve Smith, Cliff April

Got: Maclin, Mohammed Wilkerson

Maclin/Wilkerson easily

 

[One More Rep]

16 tm start 1/2/3/1 and flex. .5ppr

Gave

Julio

Sankey

Reed

Got

Bernard

Gronk

Travis Benjamin

Julio side

 

[Adam Harstad]

10 team PPR 1QB 1RB 2WR 1TE 2FLEX

Team A trades:

Brandin Cooks

Justin Hunter

Team B trades:

Cordarrelle Patterson

Wow. I think you could make an argument for Cooks or Hunter over Patterson--never mind both.

I'm down on Patterson relative to consensus, but I have to say... I think while a case for Cooks or Hunter over Patterson can be made, I think it'd be pretty dang weak.

Of course, the pair of them together is a different matter. Give me the two WRs.

 

[Adam Harstad]

This just happened in my start 2 QB PPR league.

D. Thomas

for

K. Allen, D. Jackson and two 2015 3rds.

Demaryius by a very comfortable margin.

Edit: unless that's Daniel Thomas, in which case, give me the Allen side.

 

[Adam Harstad]

16 tm start 1/2/3/1 and flex. .5ppr

Gave

Julio

Sankey

Reed

Got

Bernard

Gronk

Travis Benjamin

Gronk still smashes that trade, but more gently than has been his wont.

 

[Concept Coop]

I'm down on Patterson relative to consensus, but I have to say... I think while a case for Cooks or Hunter over Patterson can be made, I think it'd be pretty dang weak.

No trade, PPR league--give me Cooks. Twice on Sunday.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

10 team PPR 1QB 1RB 2WR 1TE 2FLEX

Team A trades:

Brandin Cooks

Justin Hunter

Team B trades:

Cordarrelle Patterson

Wow. I think you could make an argument for Cooks or Hunter over Patterson--never mind both.

Well, you can make an argument for anything. However the latest FBG dynasty rankings have Patterson 19 spots ahead of Cooks and 70 ahead of Hunter, so I'm not sure it'd be a particularly strong one.

Personally, I'd take Patterson over the pair. Even if you don't like him, all it's going to take out of him this year is a decent season for him to get on the fringe of that untouchable elite WR tier in trade value. Also in 10 team leagues I'm looking for studs first and foremost, and think Patterson has the best shot of that group at becoming one.

 

[JonB86]

12 Team PPR 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 R/W/T Flex, DEF, K

A Rodg/Rivers/Manuel/Manziel

Forte/Murray/CJ1K/Woodhead

Green/Allen/CPatt/Jennings/Latimer

Jimmy/Olsen/Kelce

Won the title last year and reckon I will be in it to win it again this year:

Gave: Josh Gordon/Alfred Blue

Received: Mike Wallace/Rashad Jennings/Peyton Hillis

It's a gamble with no news on the Gordon suspension yet but I felt it gave me enough value to move him and quality depth for the upcoming season

Thoughts?

 

[Concept Coop]

10 team PPR 1QB 1RB 2WR 1TE 2FLEX

Team A trades:

Brandin Cooks

Justin Hunter

Team B trades:

Cordarrelle Patterson

Wow. I think you could make an argument for Cooks or Hunter over Patterson--never mind both.

Well, you can make an argument for anything. However the latest FBG dynasty rankings have Patterson 19 spots ahead of Cooks and 70 ahead of Hunter, so I'm not sure it'd be a particularly strong one.

Personally, I'd take Patterson over the pair. Even if you don't like him, all it's going to take out of him this year is a decent season for him to get on the fringe of that untouchable elite WR tier in trade value. Also in 10 team leagues I'm looking for studs first and foremost, and think Patterson has the best shot of that group at becoming one.

Patterson had a 52% catch rate and something like 6 ypr, and looked awkward doing it. I'm not too interested in FBG's rankings, especially if they have 70+ guys they'd take over Hunter.

Pattersons current ranking is a result of Josh Gordon, the same way David Wilson and Lamar Miller were ridiculously overrated due to CJ Spiller's big season. We'll find out soon enough if it proves accurate or not. In the meantime, again, give me Cooks.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

10 team PPR 1QB 1RB 2WR 1TE 2FLEX

Team A trades:

Brandin Cooks

Justin Hunter

Team B trades:

Cordarrelle Patterson

Hunter and Cooks for me - I think either (or both) could have just as much value as Patterson come year's end.

 

[Avery]

12 team PPR QB / RB / 2WR / TE / Flex

Team A gets:

Jackson, Steven ATL RB
Jones, Marvin CIN WR
Gates, Antonio SDC TE
Year 2014 Draft Pick 1.09
Year 2015 Round 2 Draft Pick from Team B

Team B gets:
Year 2014 Draft Pick 2.05
Year 2014 Draft Pick 2.06
Year 2015 Round 1 Draft Pick from Team A

Team A has L. Green and drafted Freeman with the 1.09 pick making Jackson and Gates make sense for his team.
The rookie draft through 1.08: Watkins, Evans, Sankey, Hyde, Cooks, Matthews, Benjamin, Hill

 

[EastonBlues22]

10 team Dynasty PPR; 26 man rosters; QQRRWWTTFFF

Team A (Ray Rice owner) gave: L. Miller

Team B gave: B. Pierce

 

[One More Rep]

10 team Dynasty PPR; 26 man rosters; QQRRWWTTFFF

Team A (Ray Rice owner) gave: L. Miller

Team B gave: B. Pierce

Pierce

 

[maxhyde]

12 team PPR QB / RB / 2WR / TE / Flex

Team A gets:

Jackson, Steven ATL RB
Jones, Marvin CIN WR
Gates, Antonio SDC TE
Year 2014 Draft Pick 1.09
Year 2015 Round 2 Draft Pick from Team B

Team B gets:
Year 2014 Draft Pick 2.05
Year 2014 Draft Pick 2.06
Year 2015 Round 1 Draft Pick from Team A

Team A has L. Green and drafted Freeman with the 1.09 pick making Jackson and Gates make sense for his team.
The rookie draft through 1.08: Watkins, Evans, Sankey, Hyde, Cooks, Matthews, Benjamin, Hill

I think Team A did pretty good if they are at all competitive especially considering he likely has a target at 1.09 given the draft so far...although I do not like the Freeman pick at that spot with the players left on the board

 

[maxhyde]

10 team Dynasty PPR; 26 man rosters; QQRRWWTTFFF

Team A (Ray Rice owner) gave: L. Miller

Team B gave: B. Pierce

Pierce for me but makes sense for both sides

 

[Adam Harstad]

12 team PPR QB / RB / 2WR / TE / Flex

Team A gets:

Jackson, Steven ATL RB
Jones, Marvin CIN WR
Gates, Antonio SDC TE
Year 2014 Draft Pick 1.09
Year 2015 Round 2 Draft Pick from Team B

Team B gets:
Year 2014 Draft Pick 2.05
Year 2014 Draft Pick 2.06
Year 2015 Round 1 Draft Pick from Team A

Team A has L. Green and drafted Freeman with the 1.09 pick making Jackson and Gates make sense for his team.
The rookie draft through 1.08: Watkins, Evans, Sankey, Hyde, Cooks, Matthews, Benjamin, Hill

Would have liked that deal a lot more for team A if he'd gone with someone other than Freeman. Handcuffing is usually a bad strategy even in redraft (with a few rare exceptions); in Dynasty, it's even worse. And overpaying to acquire a handcuff (or handcuffing positions other than RB) only compounds the error.

Pick 2.05 > Freeman

Pick 2.06 > 2015 second

2015 first > Sjax/Jones/Gates (especially in a league with shallow starting lineups like that, and because I suspect the pick might be high-ish if team A is relying on SJax/Freeman and Gates/Green this year).

 

[slackjawedyokel]

PPR 16team contract league.

I gave Ebron and likely 11-16 2015 1st

Rec Allen Robinson and likely 1-4 2015 1st

 

[Avery]

12 team PPR QB / RB / 2WR / TE / Flex

Team A gets:

Jackson, Steven ATL RB
Jones, Marvin CIN WR
Gates, Antonio SDC TE
Year 2014 Draft Pick 1.09
Year 2015 Round 2 Draft Pick from Team B

Team B gets:
Year 2014 Draft Pick 2.05
Year 2014 Draft Pick 2.06
Year 2015 Round 1 Draft Pick from Team A

Team A has L. Green and drafted Freeman with the 1.09 pick making Jackson and Gates make sense for his team.
The rookie draft through 1.08: Watkins, Evans, Sankey, Hyde, Cooks, Matthews, Benjamin, Hill

Would have liked that deal a lot more for team A if he'd gone with someone other than Freeman. Handcuffing is usually a bad strategy even in redraft (with a few rare exceptions); in Dynasty, it's even worse. And overpaying to acquire a handcuff (or handcuffing positions other than RB) only compounds the error.

Pick 2.05 > Freeman

Pick 2.06 > 2015 second

2015 first > Sjax/Jones/Gates (especially in a league with shallow starting lineups like that, and because I suspect the pick might be high-ish if team A is relying on SJax/Freeman and Gates/Green this year).

I'm team B here. I was really not liking my choices at 1.09. There were a few guys I liked and I thought one would drop but they didn't so I punted. If I picked I would have taken Beckham (and may regret not doing that down the road). I see a lot of flattening right now at this point in the draft so i'd rather have two shots at rookies over one, as long as a couple of guys fall that I like.

Sjax, Jones and Gates are way down my benches and not really a loss to my team. Knowing this league, I couldn't get more than a bag of balls for Sjax or Gates outside of this trade.

Waiting right now to see who drops to me at 2.05/2.06. That, and how high that 1st is next year is, will determine for me how I did here.

 

[Adam Harstad]

PPR 16team contract league.

I gave Ebron and likely 11-16 2015 1st

Rec Allen Robinson and likely 1-4 2015 1st

The Robinson side made out like a bandit.

 

[maxhyde]

PPR 16team contract league.

I gave Ebron and likely 11-16 2015 1st

Rec Allen Robinson and likely 1-4 2015 1st

The Robinson side made out like a bandit.

Yeah agreed

 

[Concept Coop]

Me too. This is not the year to be trading your early rookie draft picks for mid/low market value.

 

[slackjawedyokel]

PPR 16team contract league.

I gave Ebron and likely 11-16 2015 1st

Rec Allen Robinson and likely 1-4 2015 1st

The Robinson side made out like a bandit.

It was easy to deal since I also have Kelce, D Allen, and Julius at TE and the worst team wanted him.

 

[cstu]

PPR 16team contract league.

I gave Ebron and likely 11-16 2015 1st

Rec Allen Robinson and likely 1-4 2015 1st

The Robinson side made out like a bandit.

It was easy to deal since I also have Kelce, D Allen, and Julius at TE and the worst team wanted him.

Does the team trading the top 4 pick know his team is that bad?

 

[Milkman]

Ok two trades I completed today. Before I post them I know you guys are going to say I'm dumb but meh what the hell I'm having fun.

First trade

I gave up

Cobb + Moreno + Ace Sanders

for

Patterson + Benard Pierce + Pierre Thomas

I'm high on Patterson and I have Ingram so Thomas helps.

Second Trade

I gave

Reed + 2015 2nd

for

L. Green + CJ2K + 2015 3rd

I'm super worried about Reed's concussion problem and I'm super high on L. Green

I also have RB's for this year now. I'm going to hide now while you guys make fun of me.

 

[audiolover]

12 team IDP PPR

A gave: jStew, Taliafero, dwayne allen, Dobson

B gave: Vereen, J White, Latimer, 2015 2nd

 

[Milkman]

12 team IDP PPR

A gave: jStew, Taliafero, dwayne allen, Dobson

B gave: Vereen, J White, Latimer, 2015 2nd

I like the Team B side better. I'm pretty high on Latimer though.

 

[Bamac]

12 team IDP PPR

A gave: jStew, Taliafero, dwayne allen, Dobson

B gave: Vereen, J White, Latimer, 2015 2nd

I like the Team B side better. I'm pretty high on Latimer though.

You could remove Latimer and I might still prefer B.

 

[jeaton6]

12 team IDP PPR

A gave: jStew, Taliafero, dwayne allen, Dobson

B gave: Vereen, J White, Latimer, 2015 2nd

I like the Team B side better. I'm pretty high on Latimer though.

You could remove Latimer and I might still prefer B.

You could remove Vereen and I'd still prefer B ever so slightly.

 

[Milkman]

Ok two trades I completed today. Before I post them I know you guys are going to say I'm dumb but meh what the hell I'm having fun.

First trade

I gave up

Cobb + Moreno + Ace Sanders

for

Patterson + Benard Pierce + Pierre Thomas

I'm high on Patterson and I have Ingram so Thomas helps.

Second Trade

I gave

Reed + 2015 2nd

for

L. Green + CJ2K + 2015 3rd

I'm super worried about Reed's concussion problem and I'm super high on L. Green

I also have RB's for this year now. I'm going to hide now while you guys make fun of me.

No thoughts on this ^^^^^^^^? It's that bad for me? hahahaha fack.

 

[Soulfly3]

I wanna puke. PPR

Antonio brown

For

Trich, run dmc and a 2015 2nd

Furious

 

[slackjawedyokel]

PPR 16team contract league.

I gave Ebron and likely 11-16 2015 1st

Rec Allen Robinson and likely 1-4 2015 1st

The Robinson side made out like a bandit.

It was easy to deal since I also have Kelce, D Allen, and Julius at TE and the worst team wanted him.

Does the team trading the top 4 pick know his team is that bad?

Not really sure but he was the weak link last year too. Last season at the same time as now I traded him Chris Ivory for his 2014 pick... Ended up 1.1 Sammy Watkins.

 

[Boston]

I wanna puke. PPR

Antonio brown

For

Trich, run dmc and a 2015 2nd

Furious

I don't blame you...that's awful...