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*** OFFICIAL *** 13/14 Off-Season Dynasty Trade Thread (2 Viewers)
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MoveToSkypager
Footballguy
Love how Team A came out here. Losing Spiller is sad, but if Team A need WRs, then they are in fantastic shape for the future.
Jrodicus
Footballguy
Agree. I thought he looked pretty decent between the tackles as a starter...something he struggled with in 2012. He's not a sexy name, but I could see him be a decent flex/bye week guy this year given the right circumstances (which is more than what I expect from my 3rd rounders).
cloppbeast
Footballguy
MoveToSkypager
Footballguy
I'm sure there is an underlying situation here that gives the AR owner to trade, but without those facts, A Rodgers will always be favored over Dalton and the 2.
MoveToSkypager
Footballguy
I think we SHOULD use this as an ### Coach thread. It will generate the same discussion.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
12 team 1/2/3/1 + flex PPR
Dion Lewis, 2.12, 3.03 for Kenbrell Thompkins and a 2015 2nd (early / mid)
Dion Lewis, 2.12, 3.03 for Kenbrell Thompkins and a 2015 2nd (early / mid)
ghostguy123
Footballguy
This one seems like a no brainer to get Hopkins and the picks.
Hopkins>>NIcks
5/7>> spiller
Close
Thompkins and the 2015 2nd if it is going to be a top 6. Thompkins has enough upside I might take a chance on him for this
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Disagree strongly with 1.05 and 1.07 being worth more than Spiller. Spiller is an elite talent who happened to suffer a high ankle sprain last year. One injury shouldn't drop a guy that far -- he was a 1st round startup pick (for good reason) heading into last year.
As for the trade as a whole, I think it's fair. I'd prefer the Spiller / Nicks side with a competitive team and the other side if I was looking to move value out towards the future.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
I thought it was pretty even. It worked for me d/t being deeeeeep at RB and pretty thin on WR prospects. I also had more 2nds / 3rds this year than guys I am willing to cut, so shifting some to next year makes sense, even if the pick ends up later than expected.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
That's highly dependent on the league. In an IDP league, you can get impact defensive players there. I see a lot of threads around here that people think 3's and 4's are worthless and I just have to believe they aren't IDP leagues. In a start 9 IDP league, those picks are far from throwaway. Kiki Alonso, Cyprien, Wagner, Vaccaro, Harrison Smith, Peterson - all in 3/4 rounds. IDP also means that the offensive flier picks end up being a round or two lower. Last year we had 12 IDP drafted in rounds 1-3, so getting Ellington in the 4th as opposed to the 3rd makes a big difference to those middle pick values.
One More Rep
Footballguy
One More Rep
Footballguy
Winning IS Everything
Footballguy
Team A Gave:
Trent Richardson
Desean Jackson
Team B Gave:
Torrey Smith
1.8 rookie pick
Team getting 1.8 pick also has 1.1 and 1.9 pics......
Trent Richardson
Desean Jackson
Team B Gave:
Torrey Smith
1.8 rookie pick
Team getting 1.8 pick also has 1.1 and 1.9 pics......
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
Torry and Desean are a wash. So it depends on 1.08 vs Trent. Pretty even in my book.
One More Rep
Footballguy
I like DJax more than Torrey but like 1.8 over Trent. Pretty close but I would take DJax/Trent
ghostguy123
Footballguy
If Decker leaves, I can see Pitta outscore him. I think ur leaves, so I will take the picks and pitta.
Decker already dropped the "I have to take care of my family" line. He is gonna end up taking the most money from a bad team, I can feel it.
False Start
Footballguy
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
Desean had a huge 2013 season but they have basically been the same player the past few years. Only thing better about Desean is situation but he's 2 years older than Torrey.
I value Desean higher, but not by much at all. To each their own.
One More Rep
Footballguy
Definitely a good chance of getting a more productive player at 1.8 than what Trent has done. If I owned him I would deal him for 1.8 right away
Smart move if you have the extra picks to give up.Coeur de Lion said:
Truth is I think the picks in this deep draft are pretty nice but a top 6 2nd next year might be as good or better. Thompkins however is more appealing to me than Lewis
It is close and if I were short on picks/prospects I could see the other side being a solid move looking at possibilities for player 24/27 in this draft. In a vacuum I like your side better
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Well, yeah, if 2013 is Trent's baseline moving forward. But not if 2012 is...One More Rep said:
One More Rep
Footballguy
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
I'm a HUGE believer in Chip Kelly and his ability to get the most out of his offensive talent -- so I think that 2013 is a more useful barometer for DJax moving forward than his last few seasons under Reid. Torrey Smith is what he is at this point IMO, a low end WR2 / strong WR3. DJax IMO is at least a full tier higher as a low end WR1 / strong WR2. YMMV.ILUVBEER99 said:
MoveToSkypager
Footballguy
Not enough for Desean Jackson, Richardson is meaningless in this trade.Winning IS Everything said:
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
A 22 year old multi year RB2 would be a great outcome for 1.08 -- that's not a premium pick at all, even in deep class like this one.
I get this but I have a few issues with DeSean either as a person or player...maybe both
Season was less than a month over and DJax was #####ing about his contract again...so lets check the career path - solid rookie season - career year - contract problems - 2 years of blah - career year and contract problem. I might sell before the next 2 years of blah and I might sell because I just don't like/trust him...either way I would be fine dealing DJax for Smith
ETA: I get that the Eagles offense was dysfunctional for some of that time but he isn't much of a teammate or leader and seems to play when he wants. I just don't trust him to consistently put up great seasons based on his short history
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One More Rep
Footballguy
I don't think I would miss the week to week production of Trent at all. I would rather take a shot at finding a better player, and if I miss I would be okay with losing the ho hum production Trent would give me.
MoveToSkypager
Footballguy
So you devalue his fantasy value based on how he negotiates his contract. Do you do this with other players, or just him. How successful are you with this strategy?
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Umm, mind explaining that one?False Start said:
False Start
Footballguy
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
They're still going to be R-I-C-H, and uprooting your wife and kids is a pretty big deal. Not saying I think he'll stay, because I don't, but a couple million more a year when your net worth is going to be in the tens of millions isn't the only way to measure "what's best for your family." I've turned down significantly more money to move across the country because it was more important to me that my kids grow up around their grandparents / cousins / etc.
Successful in that I don't own him anywhere anymore and others value him more than I do so it really hasn't been an issue...yet. It may be.
I devalue him because he is inconsistent...I think his inconsistency is related to his "happiness" which seems to be contract related. Maybe he has matured and I will miss out on his greatness but I think I will still be able to compete with or without Desean.
Anyway I am no doctor certainly not a psychologist so it is all my opinion and certainly not measurable. It is human nature to get distracted by money in our society and especially when it comes to work...if you think you are underpaid it can affect your work. Not talking about the NFL or pro sports even...and certainly not specifically DeSean Jackson. It happens all the time. I mean we see guys "turn it up" a level in contract years...not uncommon at all. We also see some guys get complacent after they get "paid".
If I could predict it I would be much better for it but I don't think anyone can. For me Jackson carries enough risk in this situation based on his history it has affected his value for me. If I am an idiot or a lesser player in fantasy for it...so be it
Rate risk however you want...your team you get to rank players how you like
msudaisy26
Footballguy
I think I would take Dalton and the pickdoowain said:
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Weird, players do this very frequently.
And as for Decker, his country pop star wife is pregant with their first child. I am sure she would be ok moving and living somewhere till the kid is like 3 while Decker makes 10 million a year. Small sacrifice to make to get paid a couple million a year more than Denver will pay.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
It's very much an individual decision based on individual priorities. Some guys move around, some guys sign extensions and stay put. I was just making the point that getting the most money isn't always the only or most important priority for every person. If his next deal is $35 million in Denver, would getting $50 million from say Cleveland represent a significant upgrade in overall quality of life for Decker and his family?
msudaisy26
Footballguy
I don't see 1.8 for Trent to be a wash or Jackson and Smith to be a wash. Give me Torrey and 1.8
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
He used it in the context of "I'd like to stay in Denver, BUT I need to do what's best for my family." It was the classic, I'm following the money response. I can't blame him for that of course.
ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
i get what you're saying but for Decker specifically he and his wife have no family ties in Denver. Neither grew up there and they are just now starting a family.
Moving wouldn't uproot anything in his case. For players with kids in the 5-15 age range or with family ties in the area this could definitely be an issue, but not for Decker.
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