*** OFFICIAL *** 13/14 Off-Season Dynasty Trade Thread (3 Viewers)

[Concept Coop]

He could land in a nice spot in FA, but I'm a spurned owner and was sick of waiting for his "potential" to pan out.

On behalf of all of us spurned DMC owners: Well done. That's higher than market value, from what I've seen. And doesn't it feel good?

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Two from a 12 team 1/2/3/1/flex PPR:

David Wilson for Bilal Powell and a 2015 1st (late)

Knile Davis for a 2015 2nd (early / mid)

 

[deadlyrange0321]

10 team PPR 1QB 1RB 2WR 1TE 1FLEX

Team A trades:

DeAndre Hopkins

1.04

Team B trades:

1.01

Guess this one depends on if you're sold on Watkins. Guy that traded for the 1.01 made it clear that he wants Watkins.

 

[matttyl]

10 team non-PPR:

Team A gives Vincent Jackson (already had Calvin, D Thomas and Gordon)

Team B gives Jordan Reed and Khiry Robinson (team A already has Ingram)

 

[maxhyde]

.5 PPR

Martellus Bennett TE for David Wilson RB

Likely a good deal both ways

I would pay more for Wilson than Bennett though so someone got a good deal.

 

[maxhyde]

10 team PPR 1QB 1RB 2WR 1TE 1FLEX

Team A trades:

DeAndre Hopkins

1.04

Team B trades:

1.01

Guess this one depends on if you're sold on Watkins. Guy that traded for the 1.01 made it clear that he wants Watkins.

1.04 and Hopkins for me

 

[maxhyde]

Moved DMC in the only two leagues I own him. Both 12 team PPRs.

Gave:

DMC

Chris Polk

Got:

1.11

Gave:

DMC

Got:

2.01

He could land in a nice spot in FA, but I'm a spurned owner and was sick of waiting for his "potential" to pan out.

Nice work

 

[One More Rep]

.5 PPR

Martellus Bennett TE for David Wilson RB

I would take a shot on Wilson for this price

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Moved DMC in the only two leagues I own him. Both 12 team PPRs.

Gave:

DMC

Chris Polk

Got:

1.11

Gave:

DMC

Got:

2.01

He could land in a nice spot in FA, but I'm a spurned owner and was sick of waiting for his "potential" to pan out.

I think you did well cashing out and getting something tangible for him. He's turning 27 with a poor resume. He may not fall off a cliff next year, but even if he does will anyone notice?

 

[One More Rep]

10 team non-PPR:

Team A gives Vincent Jackson (already had Calvin, D Thomas and Gordon)

Team B gives Jordan Reed and Khiry Robinson (team A already has Ingram)

VJax

 

[One More Rep]

10 team PPR 1QB 1RB 2WR 1TE 1FLEX

Team A trades:

DeAndre Hopkins

1.04

Team B trades:

1.01

Guess this one depends on if you're sold on Watkins. Guy that traded for the 1.01 made it clear that he wants Watkins.

1.04 and Hopkins for me

Yeah me too

 

[One More Rep]

Two from a 12 team 1/2/3/1/flex PPR:

David Wilson for Bilal Powell and a 2015 1st (late)

Knile Davis for a 2015 2nd (early / mid)

I would take the picks in both deals

 

[doowain]

He could land in a nice spot in FA, but I'm a spurned owner and was sick of waiting for his "potential" to pan out.

On behalf of all of us spurned DMC owners: Well done. That's higher than market value, from what I've seen. And doesn't it feel good?

I can only hope that the birth of my first child can equal what I feel right now.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

He could land in a nice spot in FA, but I'm a spurned owner and was sick of waiting for his "potential" to pan out.

On behalf of all of us spurned DMC owners: Well done. That's higher than market value, from what I've seen. And doesn't it feel good?

I can only hope that the birth of my first child can equal what I feel right now.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

10 team PPR 1QB 1RB 2WR 1TE 1FLEX

Team A trades:

DeAndre Hopkins

1.04

Team B trades:

1.01

Guess this one depends on if you're sold on Watkins. Guy that traded for the 1.01 made it clear that he wants Watkins.

1.04 and Hopkins for me

Yeah me too

Obvious one. This was a horribly undisciplined trade.

 

[matttyl]

10 team non-PPR:

Team A gives Vincent Jackson (already had Calvin, D Thomas and Gordon)

Team B gives Jordan Reed and Khiry Robinson (team A already has Ingram)

VJax

Is 31. Reed is 23, Robinson is 24. Gotta count for something, right?

 

[Concept Coop]

10 team non-PPR:

Team A gives Vincent Jackson (already had Calvin, D Thomas and Gordon)

Team B gives Jordan Reed and Khiry Robinson (team A already has Ingram)

VJax

Is 31. Reed is 23, Robinson is 24. Gotta count for something, right?

Reed.

 

[deadlyrange0321]

10 team PPR 1QB 1RB 2WR 1TE 1FLEX

Team A trades:

DeAndre Hopkins

1.04

Team B trades:

1.01

Guess this one depends on if you're sold on Watkins. Guy that traded for the 1.01 made it clear that he wants Watkins.

1.04 and Hopkins for me

Yeah me too

Obvious one. This was a horribly undisciplined trade.

Yea, the guy picked Hopkins at 1.07 last year. Felt like he gave up a lot, but he also thinks Watkins has top 5 potential. Can't really fault him for getting his guy, although the price is more than most of us would even think about paying.

 

[Concept Coop]

Two from a 12 team 1/2/3/1/flex PPR:

David Wilson for Bilal Powell and a 2015 1st (late)

Knile Davis for a 2015 2nd (early / mid)

I'd take the picks in both deals, unless I owned Charles, in which case that's a fair price for his cuff.

Can't imagine paying a first round pick for Wilson right now.

 

[Concept Coop]

Can't really fault him for getting his guy, although the price is more than most of us would even think about paying.

We can't get all of our guys on all of our rosters; you have to draw the line somewhere. While it could work out, it's well above market value. Overpaying greatly for the players we like is not good practice.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Two from a 12 team 1/2/3/1/flex PPR:

David Wilson for Bilal Powell and a 2015 1st (late)

Knile Davis for a 2015 2nd (early / mid)

I'd take the picks in both deals, unless I owned Charles, in which case that's a fair price for his cuff.

Can't imagine paying a first round pick for Wilson right now.

Yep -- Charles owner. That was also me acquiring Wilson -- definitely a roll of the dice but I also know that another guy who has 1.03, 1.04, 1.09, and 1.12 likes Wilson a lot -- gonna try for a quick flip. If it doesn't work, I'm actually still OK with it. I'm generally a fan of rolling the dice on injury risk.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Can't really fault him for getting his guy, although the price is more than most of us would even think about paying.

We can't get all of our guys on all of our rosters; you have to draw the line somewhere. While it could work out, it's well above market value. Overpaying greatly for the players we like is not good practice.

Not sure I agree that it's a massive overpay, personally. One elite (top 10 NFL) prospect vs two good (late 1st round) prospects isn't an easy call IMO.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

10 team PPR 1QB 1RB 2WR 1TE 1FLEX

Team A trades:

DeAndre Hopkins

1.04

Team B trades:

1.01

Guess this one depends on if you're sold on Watkins. Guy that traded for the 1.01 made it clear that he wants Watkins.

1.04 and Hopkins for me

Yeah me too

Obvious one. This was a horribly undisciplined trade.

Yea, the guy picked Hopkins at 1.07 last year. Felt like he gave up a lot, but he also thinks Watkins has top 5 potential. Can't really fault him for getting his guy, although the price is more than most of us would even think about paying.

I agree with that idea, but Hopkins is an excellent prospect too. He must be very confident that he won't be able to find a startable player at 4.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Can't really fault him for getting his guy, although the price is more than most of us would even think about paying.

We can't get all of our guys on all of our rosters; you have to draw the line somewhere. While it could work out, it's well above market value. Overpaying greatly for the players we like is not good practice.

Not sure I agree that it's a massive overpay, personally. One elite (top 10 NFL) prospect vs two good (late 1st round) prospects isn't an easy call IMO.

I don't understand your ranking here. What do you meant late 1st round? NFL draft? rookie draft? dynasty startup? Forgive my density.

 

[Spin]

10 team ppr Start 1qb, 2rb, 3wr, 1te, 1flex(any), IDP (start 2-3 de, 2-3 lb, 2-3 db, for a total of 8 IDP)

Team A Gives:

Julius Thomas (5 years)

Chandler Jones (3 years)

2.01

Team B Gives:

Gronk (2 years)

Quinton Patton (DTS)

Chandler Jones finished 3rd in DE, scoring 134 points. Stud DEs carry a ton of value, as Watt is one of the most valuable assets in the league. (Watt scored 181 points). DE 20 scored 87 points. So Watt gave almost 100 points more than the worst starter, Jones was about 50 points above the worst DE starter.

Team B then traded JT for:

Lattimore

Ellington

Fauria

So his net for Gronk/Patton

Was:

Marcus Lattimore, Andre Ellington, Joseph Fauria, Chandler Jones, 2.1

Think I prefer Gronk still.

 

[maxhyde]

Can't really fault him for getting his guy, although the price is more than most of us would even think about paying.

We can't get all of our guys on all of our rosters; you have to draw the line somewhere. While it could work out, it's well above market value. Overpaying greatly for the players we like is not good practice.

Not sure I agree that it's a massive overpay, personally. One elite (top 10 NFL) prospect vs two good (late 1st round) prospects isn't an easy call IMO.

Not sure how Hopkins and 1.04 are late round prospects but not a massive overpay if you think Watkins is on a completely different level than Lee/Hopkins. The NFL tends to bring some college stars back to the norm.

While I would give Watkins a higher chance of success than either I am not sure I give him a better chance than having 2 top WR prospects

 

[deadlyrange0321]

Can't really fault him for getting his guy, although the price is more than most of us would even think about paying.

We can't get all of our guys on all of our rosters; you have to draw the line somewhere. While it could work out, it's well above market value. Overpaying greatly for the players we like is not good practice.

Not sure I agree that it's a massive overpay, personally. One elite (top 10 NFL) prospect vs two good (late 1st round) prospects isn't an easy call IMO.

Not sure how Hopkins and 1.04 are late round prospects but not a massive overpay if you think Watkins is on a completely different level than Lee/Hopkins. The NFL tends to bring some college stars back to the norm.

While I would give Watkins a higher chance of success than either I am not sure I give him a better chance than having 2 top WR prospects

I believe he meant Hopkins and the 1.04 are late 1st in terms of the actual NFL draft vs Watkins as a legit NFL Draft top 10 pick

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Can't really fault him for getting his guy, although the price is more than most of us would even think about paying.

We can't get all of our guys on all of our rosters; you have to draw the line somewhere. While it could work out, it's well above market value. Overpaying greatly for the players we like is not good practice.

Not sure I agree that it's a massive overpay, personally. One elite (top 10 NFL) prospect vs two good (late 1st round) prospects isn't an easy call IMO.

Not sure how Hopkins and 1.04 are late round prospects but not a massive overpay if you think Watkins is on a completely different level than Lee/Hopkins. The NFL tends to bring some college stars back to the norm.While I would give Watkins a higher chance of success than either I am not sure I give him a better chance than having 2 top WR prospects

Late 1st rounders vs consensus top 10 / elite prospect. Watkins is in a higher tier IMO than Hopkins / Lee -- not saying it's a definite win for the guy getting Watkins, just that it's not clearly an overpay / bad deal IMO.

 

[maxhyde]

Can't really fault him for getting his guy, although the price is more than most of us would even think about paying.

We can't get all of our guys on all of our rosters; you have to draw the line somewhere. While it could work out, it's well above market value. Overpaying greatly for the players we like is not good practice.

Not sure I agree that it's a massive overpay, personally. One elite (top 10 NFL) prospect vs two good (late 1st round) prospects isn't an easy call IMO.

Not sure how Hopkins and 1.04 are late round prospects but not a massive overpay if you think Watkins is on a completely different level than Lee/Hopkins. The NFL tends to bring some college stars back to the norm.While I would give Watkins a higher chance of success than either I am not sure I give him a better chance than having 2 top WR prospects

Late 1st rounders vs consensus top 10 / elite prospect. Watkins is in a higher tier IMO than Hopkins / Lee -- not saying it's a definite win for the guy getting Watkins, just that it's not clearly an overpay / bad deal IMO.

My bad. I get you now.

 

[Concept Coop]

Not sure I agree that it's a massive overpay, personally. One elite (top 10 NFL) prospect vs two good (late 1st round) prospects isn't an easy call IMO.

I don't agree with Hopkins' market value, but it's likely in the 1.03-1.04 range; too much to move up from 1.04 to 1.01, IMO.

Right now, Sammy is the clear #1 in PPR formats, but the top few RBs are going to be very valuable once the dust settles. I personally don't see Hopkins in the Julio/Green/Dez(talent) tier, so would not add Hopkins to move up.

I say this viewing Hopkins as a moveable asset, not his projected actual value. Even though I am not sold, I have little doubt that I could move him for very solid value in each of my leagues.

 

[Concept Coop]

1.04/Hopkins is far too close to Alshon/Allen/Thomas prices for me to spend it on--history suggests--a coin flip in Watkins.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

1.04/Hopkins is far too close to Alshon/Allen/Thomas prices for me to spend it on--history suggests--a coin flip in Watkins.

I might be underestimating Hopkins' market value here, but I definitely don't see him as worth that much. No way Hopkins / 1.04 should even open up serious discussions for those guys, IMO. Don't think it would in most of my leagues either. I've been aggressively trying to buy Allen everywhere and I'd get laughed at with Hopkins / 1.04 based on what's been rejected thus far.

 

[squistion]

1.04/Hopkins is far too close to Alshon/Allen/Thomas prices for me to spend it on--history suggests--a coin flip in Watkins.

I might be underestimating Hopkins' market value here, but I definitely don't see him as worth that much. No way Hopkins / 1.04 should even open up serious discussions for those guys, IMO. Don't think it would in most of my leagues either. I've been aggressively trying to buy Allen everywhere and I'd get laughed at with Hopkins / 1.04 based on what's been rejected thus far.

Agreed. I can't see that flying in any of the leagues I am in either.

 

[Concept Coop]

I might be underestimating Hopkins' market value here, but I definitely don't see him as worth that much. No way Hopkins / 1.04 should even open up serious discussions for those guys, IMO. Don't think it would in most of my leagues either. I've been aggressively trying to buy Allen everywhere and I'd get laughed at with Hopkins / 1.04 based on what's been rejected thus far.

And I could be overestimating it, but he was WR13 in February. I'm not sure where Allen was, off the top of my head, but I'm assuming 9 or so.

Eddie Lacy and LeVeon Bell are late 1st/early 2nd round start up picks being drafted before Keenan Allen, based on ADP. 1.04 isn't going to be far behind them as prospects (likely ahead of Bell, IMO). The RB names aren't sexy right now, just as Bell, Ball, and Lacy weren't at a time, but once they produce, they'll join them as top 20 overall prospects.

By the end of next season, the top RB from this class (at least) is going to be more valuable than Sammy Watkins. 1.04 is a solid shot at that guy.

 

[garlicduck]

12 Team PPR standard scoring and lineup

Gave: Pierce, Bernard BAL RB

Got: Shorts, Cecil, JAC WR

 

[maxhyde]

12 Team PPR standard scoring and lineup

Gave: Pierce, Bernard BAL RB

Got: Shorts, Cecil, JAC WR

Shorts

 

[Concept Coop]

I'd bet money that the top RB from this class has a higher startup ADP than Watkins by September, actually. The same way the top RBs pulled away from Tavon and Patterson last season, after being drafted right next to them in rookie drafts.

 

[thriftyrocker]

1.04/Hopkins is far too close to Alshon/Allen/Thomas prices for me to spend it on--history suggests--a coin flip in Watkins.

I might be underestimating Hopkins' market value here, but I definitely don't see him as worth that much. No way Hopkins / 1.04 should even open up serious discussions for those guys, IMO. Don't think it would in most of my leagues either. I've been aggressively trying to buy Allen everywhere and I'd get laughed at with Hopkins / 1.04 based on what's been rejected thus far.

People will be trading Allen for 1.4 straight up in May. It is misguided, but put RBs on teams and it will happen.

 

[Concept Coop]

People will be trading Allen for 1.4 straight up in May. It is misguided, but put RBs on teams and it will happen.

Exactly. Wait until "1.04" is "young, starting RB drafted in the top 50" and nobody is laughing at that offer for Allen.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

I also care way less about market value than most, so that's likely part of it. And IMO Watkins is on a different level as a FF prospect than anyone from last year's class. Austin obviously might be close as an NFL prospect, but a big part of that is his return game value.

 

[thriftyrocker]

I also care way less about market value than most, so that's likely part of it. And IMO Watkins is on a different level as a FF prospect than anyone from last year's class. Austin obviously might be close as an NFL prospect, but a big part of that is his return game value.

Watkins price will go up too. It will take a top 20 player to get him once the pick is close to OTC. If it doesn't already.

 

[Concept Coop]

Watkins price will go up too. It will take a top 20 player to get him once the pick is close to OTC. If it doesn't already.

Depends on how you measure it, IMO. I think the gap between 1.01 and 1.02 (and 3-6ish) will be cut drastically.

 

[Archer]

12 team PPR

Calvin & L. Green

For

Julio & Cook

 

[Coeur de Lion]

I have the big drop after 1.02 -- but I also love me some Evans. The RBs might be similar to last year's on talent -- but the situations they'll be landing in will probably be way less appealing IMO. Of course that's hard to predict right now also.

 

[Concept Coop]

12 team PPR

Calvin & L. Green

For

Julio & Cook

Calvin and Green, FTW.

 

[Spike]

10 team PPR 1QB 1RB 2WR 1TE 1FLEX

Team A trades:

DeAndre Hopkins

1.04

Team B trades:

1.01

Guess this one depends on if you're sold on Watkins. Guy that traded for the 1.01 made it clear that he wants Watkins.

1.04 and Hopkins for me

Yeah me too

Obvious one. This was a horribly undisciplined trade.

Yea, the guy picked Hopkins at 1.07 last year. Felt like he gave up a lot, but he also thinks Watkins has top 5 potential. Can't really fault him for getting his guy, although the price is more than most of us would even think about paying.

I agree with that idea, but Hopkins is an excellent prospect too. He must be very confident that he won't be able to find a startable player at 4.

Is he just a JAG (a WR2), though? I'm very middle of the road about him.

 

[maxhyde]

12 team PPR

Calvin & L. Green

For

Julio & Cook

Calvin for me

 

[MoveToSkypager]

10 team PPR 1QB 1RB 2WR 1TE 1FLEX

Team A trades:

DeAndre Hopkins

1.04

Team B trades:

1.01

Guess this one depends on if you're sold on Watkins. Guy that traded for the 1.01 made it clear that he wants Watkins.

1.04 and Hopkins for me

Yeah me too

Obvious one. This was a horribly undisciplined trade.

Yea, the guy picked Hopkins at 1.07 last year. Felt like he gave up a lot, but he also thinks Watkins has top 5 potential. Can't really fault him for getting his guy, although the price is more than most of us would even think about paying.

I agree with that idea, but Hopkins is an excellent prospect too. He must be very confident that he won't be able to find a startable player at 4.

Is he just a JAG (a WR2), though? I'm very middle of the road about him.

I expect him to put up 80/1100/x. Nothing about that is wrong.

 

[ghostguy123]

I take Hopkins and pick 4 over pick 1 this year pretty easily.

 

[cstu]

10 team PPR 1QB 1RB 2WR 1TE 1FLEX

Team A trades:

DeAndre Hopkins

1.04

Team B trades:

1.01

Guess this one depends on if you're sold on Watkins. Guy that traded for the 1.01 made it clear that he wants Watkins.

1.04 and Hopkins for me

Yeah me too

Obvious one. This was a horribly undisciplined trade.

Yea, the guy picked Hopkins at 1.07 last year. Felt like he gave up a lot, but he also thinks Watkins has top 5 potential. Can't really fault him for getting his guy, although the price is more than most of us would even think about paying.

I agree with that idea, but Hopkins is an excellent prospect too. He must be very confident that he won't be able to find a startable player at 4.

Is he just a JAG (a WR2), though? I'm very middle of the road about him.

I expect him to put up 80/1100/x. Nothing about that is wrong.

Considering what he did last year as 21 yo rookie, I believe his potential is even higher than that. It's not likely to happen as long as AJ is there but when he's gone Hopkins should benefit like Antonio Brown did last year.