This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!
Most of us play in leagues that allow you to trade some of those picks. HTHThat would be a huge mistake, considering your league probably has a max roster limit to which you couldn't hold all those picks. You likely would end up dropping some picks or useful existing veteran players on your team.MattFancy said:@ the wouldn't give up Rodgers for every pick in the 1st. There isn't a player in the league I would keep over having every 1st round pick in any draft class.
You should know it's more complex than that. I've been in situations where it was difficult to decide over several of my players and rookie draft choices. I did my best in dealing them, but I kept getting well below market value for them. If you are in a league without imbeciles, then your competitors know whats up and will force your hand in dealing your picks/players for well below market prices or force you to drop valuable players.Most of us play in leagues that allow you to trade some of those picks. HTHThat would be a huge mistake, considering your league probably has a max roster limit to which you couldn't hold all those picks. You likely would end up dropping some picks or useful existing veteran players on your team.MattFancy said:
I agree, but this is FBG, where Rookie picks are way overvalued and treated like everyone is assured a stud player. Give me 40 possible passing TDs for the next 4 years, how can you give that up for a gamble or gambles?That would be a huge mistake, considering your league probably has a max roster limit to which you couldn't hold all those picks. You likely would end up dropping some picks or useful existing veteran players on your team.MattFancy said:
You're worried about having TOO many quality assets? That's seems like an odd thing to worry about.
Picks are waaaaaay easier to move than players are. Everyone is always in the market for 1st round picks in every league I've ever been in for over 20 years. They're universal currency.You should know it's more complex than that. I've been in situations where it was difficult to decide over several of my players and rookie draft choices. I did my best in dealing them, but I kept getting well below market value for them. If you are in a league without imbeciles, then your competitors know whats up and will force your hand in dealing your picks/players for well below market prices or force you to drop valuable players.Most of us play in leagues that allow you to trade some of those picks. HTHThat would be a huge mistake, considering your league probably has a max roster limit to which you couldn't hold all those picks. You likely would end up dropping some picks or useful existing veteran players on your team.MattFancy said:
Basic math shows how very wrong you are in this case. I value rookie picks far less than most, but an entire round for Aaron Rodgers is laughable.I agree, but this is FBG, where Rookie picks are way overvalued and treated like everyone is assured a stud player. Give me 40 possible passing TDs for the next 4 years, how can you give that up for a gamble or gambles?That would be a huge mistake, considering your league probably has a max roster limit to which you couldn't hold all those picks. You likely would end up dropping some picks or useful existing veteran players on your team.MattFancy said:
Ever had 6+ rookie picks, and your league knows you can't carry them all? If your league isn't ####### you over, then they are fools. It really sounds like you guys are speaking from the theoretical plane here. I've been in these situations.Picks are waaaaaay easier to move than players are. Everyone is always in the market for 1st round picks in every league I've ever been in for over 20 years. They're universal currency.You should know it's more complex than that. I've been in situations where it was difficult to decide over several of my players and rookie draft choices. I did my best in dealing them, but I kept getting well below market value for them. If you are in a league without imbeciles, then your competitors know whats up and will force your hand in dealing your picks/players for well below market prices or force you to drop valuable players.Most of us play in leagues that allow you to trade some of those picks. HTHThat would be a huge mistake, considering your league probably has a max roster limit to which you couldn't hold all those picks. You likely would end up dropping some picks or useful existing veteran players on your team.MattFancy said:
How deep are rosters? I'm in mostly deeper leagues (12 x 25) and I've never had a ton of trouble making room for 1st round rookies. 3rds, sure. If you play in 10 x 20s or less, sure, the late 1sts are worth less.ETA: I'm all about sticking it to other teams, as are the guys I play with, but definitely not at the cost of hurting myself in the process. People will pay for 1sts.Ever had 6+ rookie picks, and your league knows you can't carry them all? If your league isn't ####### you over, then they are fools. It really sounds like you guys are speaking from the theoretical plane here. I've been in these situations.Picks are waaaaaay easier to move than players are. Everyone is always in the market for 1st round picks in every league I've ever been in for over 20 years. They're universal currency.You should know it's more complex than that. I've been in situations where it was difficult to decide over several of my players and rookie draft choices. I did my best in dealing them, but I kept getting well below market value for them. If you are in a league without imbeciles, then your competitors know whats up and will force your hand in dealing your picks/players for well below market prices or force you to drop valuable players.Most of us play in leagues that allow you to trade some of those picks. HTHThat would be a huge mistake, considering your league probably has a max roster limit to which you couldn't hold all those picks. You likely would end up dropping some picks or useful existing veteran players on your team.MattFancy said:
I think giving a fantasy franchise QB away for anything other than established players is laughable. I would of said the same thing about Brees three years ago. Picks are too much of a gamble when you have a stud like Rodgers. I wouldn't take Watkins and Evans for Rodgers. Mason, Hyde, Hill, Cooks? are these sure things over Rodgers? Nope, you can have those and wait a few years to compete while i have a guy likely to get 40 TDs.Basic math shows how very wrong you are in this case. I value rookie picks far less than most, but an entire round for Aaron Rodgers is laughable.I agree, but this is FBG, where Rookie picks are way overvalued and treated like everyone is assured a stud player. Give me 40 possible passing TDs for the next 4 years, how can you give that up for a gamble or gambles?That would be a huge mistake, considering your league probably has a max roster limit to which you couldn't hold all those picks. You likely would end up dropping some picks or useful existing veteran players on your team.MattFancy said:
As have I. I know one guy who has a bunch of picks and can't roster them all and no one wants them either because they know they can lowball him at the draft.Ever had 6+ rookie picks, and your league knows you can't carry them all? If your league isn't ####### you over, then they are fools. It really sounds like you guys are speaking from the theoretical plane here. I've been in these situations.Picks are waaaaaay easier to move than players are. Everyone is always in the market for 1st round picks in every league I've ever been in for over 20 years. They're universal currency.You should know it's more complex than that. I've been in situations where it was difficult to decide over several of my players and rookie draft choices. I did my best in dealing them, but I kept getting well below market value for them. If you are in a league without imbeciles, then your competitors know whats up and will force your hand in dealing your picks/players for well below market prices or force you to drop valuable players.Most of us play in leagues that allow you to trade some of those picks. HTHThat would be a huge mistake, considering your league probably has a max roster limit to which you couldn't hold all those picks. You likely would end up dropping some picks or useful existing veteran players on your team.MattFancy said:
You should read my link, guy. It's basic math. Rodgers was providing < 5 PPG over baseline last year prior to the injury, x 16 games, x the rest of his career. The top two picks alone should be more valuable than that based on historical production of random rookies.I think giving a fantasy franchise QB away for anything other than established players is laughable. I would of said the same thing about Brees three years ago. Picks are too much of a gamble when you have a stud like Rodgers. I wouldn't take Watkins and Evans for Rodgers. Mason, Hyde, Hill, Cooks? are these sure things over Rodgers? Nope, you can have those and wait a few years to compete while i have a guy likely to get 40 TDs.Basic math shows how very wrong you are in this case. I value rookie picks far less than most, but an entire round for Aaron Rodgers is laughable.I agree, but this is FBG, where Rookie picks are way overvalued and treated like everyone is assured a stud player. Give me 40 possible passing TDs for the next 4 years, how can you give that up for a gamble or gambles?That would be a huge mistake, considering your league probably has a max roster limit to which you couldn't hold all those picks. You likely would end up dropping some picks or useful existing veteran players on your team.MattFancy said:
If you are rebuilding and you have a 24 + man roster and/or a 5 man taxi squad this would be very easy to accomplish.That would be a huge mistake, considering your league probably has a max roster limit to which you couldn't hold all those picks. You likely would end up dropping some picks or useful existing veteran players on your team.MattFancy said:
Again, you value picks more than i do. You continue to do the math and I'll continue to have my opinion. I will not move Rodgers for any picks without a reliable QB no less than Kaep in return, no matter how many picks all 36 in a draft, never. Make fun of me all you want, I do very well with my style and strategy.You should read my link, guy. It's basic math. Rodgers was providing < 5 PPG over baseline last year prior to the injury, x 16 games, x the rest of his career. The top two picks alone should be more valuable than that based on historical production of random rookies.I think giving a fantasy franchise QB away for anything other than established players is laughable. I would of said the same thing about Brees three years ago. Picks are too much of a gamble when you have a stud like Rodgers. I wouldn't take Watkins and Evans for Rodgers. Mason, Hyde, Hill, Cooks? are these sure things over Rodgers? Nope, you can have those and wait a few years to compete while i have a guy likely to get 40 TDs.Basic math shows how very wrong you are in this case. I value rookie picks far less than most, but an entire round for Aaron Rodgers is laughable.I agree, but this is FBG, where Rookie picks are way overvalued and treated like everyone is assured a stud player. Give me 40 possible passing TDs for the next 4 years, how can you give that up for a gamble or gambles?That would be a huge mistake, considering your league probably has a max roster limit to which you couldn't hold all those picks. You likely would end up dropping some picks or useful existing veteran players on your team.MattFancy said:
Sure, there are plenty of special scenarios where it would work great. Most of the time it wouldn't.If you are rebuilding and you have a 24 + man roster and/or a 5 man taxi squad this would be very easy to accomplish.That would be a huge mistake, considering your league probably has a max roster limit to which you couldn't hold all those picks. You likely would end up dropping some picks or useful existing veteran players on your team.MattFancy said:
You are assuming a lot and putting all the studs in top 10. Franklin, Eifert, Lattimore, Wheaton, Woods, Manuel and Dobson went in the first in some leagues. JACKPOT!
He's got his strategy, though. Who needs math?! Math doesn't throw TDs.Yeah, who needs math in a game based 100% on statistics.
You said every pick. That includes the top half of the first round, which included the names I mentioned. Lets not move the goalposts, here. We're talking about premium picks; not a few borderline first rounders.
.
Yes, I would not move Aaron Rodgers for every pick in the draft. Laugh all you want. Those 2nd and 3rds produce studs on the regular. Or are we gonna move the goal posts so it can benefit you and talk about Stacy?
No. But seeing as how Rodgers isn't even worth the top 2 picks in the draft--draft who you want and have room for and trade the rest. If you can't trade them, give them away. Having too many assets is not a bad thing. Would we leave Andrew Luck on the Waiver Wire because we own Rodgers, Foles, and Brees? Of coure not. You take the asset and make it work.
Are you really this obtuse to how rosters work? Average fantasy roster size in my seven leagues are 20 players. Those 10 picks are sure valuable, to whoever can roster them, I build teams though, I can't roster one pick normally, but thats just me. From how you talk about picks and how u value established players probably pick early often anyways. I rather have a stud QB then a bunch of gambles. Is Watkins a sure bet to be a stud, how bout Evans? Thought so. Continue with your laughing emoticons though, seems fun for you.Actually needing Colin freaking Kaepernick instead of the extra 10 1st rounders is even more
How many rosters do you have where any single one of your bottom 12 guys are worth more than 1.12?
I feel like I am trying to tell you why getting 10 cars for the price of one is an awesome thing...even if they don't all fit in your garage and you'll have to go through the work of selling some of them.
This isn't cars, its fantasy football. But if you are gonna make comparisons do it right. Would you trade 10 Hondas for a Benz?
"I know you want to give me a billion dollars, but how could I possibly spend it all? I'll have to get a special bank account and pay taxes on it. I'll have to hire an advisor; that can't be cheap. You know, no thank you."
Quality troll job. You had me for a second.False Start said:
Ohh yeah. Look, I'm not creative enough to support this argument anymore. I didn't want False Start to be all alone.
There were 17 QBs within 3 PPG of Aaron Rodgers last year. Statistics 101 FTW!False Start said:
Based on his work in other threads, sadly, he's not trolling. He's not a fan of math.
Yes because I'm a troll and not a person who provides facts throught many of my posts, but I have an opinion that differs from yours so I'm a troll. Typical of FBG
If the average roster size is 20, then picks aren't that valuable outside the top 6 or 7. A lot of guys will get dropped. Guys who don't hit right away will get cycled for stopgap veterans (Harry Douglas, etc.).
A troll or the worst
Math from last year, add that up to see how much that means for this season? Also, you are the one arguing, I stated my opinion, you disliked it and got your feathers ruffled.
How do you make your rankings and draft your players if you don't use previous year?False Start said:
It's the combination of being factually 100% wrong and condescending at the same time, if I had to guess. YMMV.False Start said:This is treatment a person gets for having an opinion others disagree with.
This was your response when I experienced his greatness in another thread:
