*** OFFICIAL *** 13/14 Off-Season Dynasty Trade Thread (3 Viewers)

[cloppbeast]

Gave: 1.08, 2.08

Got: 1.10, 2.04

 

[cstu]

12 team ppr completed trade.

Player A: Justin Hunter, Demarrco Murray

Player B: Josh Gordon

Player C: Sammer Watkins

Who ya Got?

Sammy > Hunter/Murray >>>> Gordon

 

[Sabertooth]

Was offered s

Leveon bell

Spiller

2015 1st

2015 2nd

For Aj green

This offer was from the best team in our league and we play all play so I'd have to face him every week. I turned it down but it was close. Just can't give him a starter of greens caliber to add to his lineup and expect to beat him consistently.

 

[Hankmoody]

Was offered s

Leveon bell

Spiller

2015 1st

2015 2nd

For Aj green

This offer was from the best team in our league and we play all play so I'd have to face him every week. I turned it down but it was close. Just can't give him a starter of greens caliber to add to his lineup and expect to beat him consistently.

That's a terrible reason not to make a trade. If this makes your team better (that's debatable based on this trade, but another conversation) then you improve yourself against all 10 other owners - that's a no-brainer. Who cares if you make him better too? You're supposed to, that's the idea of a trade, that both owners improve their teams. Who's going to make a trade that doesn't make them better (well aside from about 1/2 of the debacles in this thread)?

 

[ghostguy123]

Okay. This is great. It's also, as I've pointed out, completely and 100% irrelevant.

People say "LeSean McCoy has a lot of mileage, so he'll likely decline younger". That is 100% the wrong conclusion to be drawing from the fact that he has a lot of mileage. We can talk about lurking variables and multivariate analysis and human physiology and cloning and bioengineering and the the concept of Platonic Realism as it relates to RB career length, but all of this misses the point spectacularly.

The point is that lots of people say "________ has a lot of mileage and is therefore more likely to decline early", when the data shows that having a lot of mileage does not correlate to declining earlier. Full stop. If you're downgrading a player because he has more mileage than his peers, you are doing it wrong.

I think the only thing really with "mileage" is that the team and coaching staff may try and limit the touches just a little bit going forward, not necessarily a decline in the actual abilities of the RB.

While a factor, I think it is a very small factor. So small to the the point my rankings probably wouldnt change more than 1 slot at the most over it, if even that.

Age and running style to me are what would dictate longevity

 

[ghostguy123]

A guy new to the league just made this deal? I'd reverse it and re-replace him, pronto. He obviously doesn't know what he's doing.

I'm assuming you were on the Calvin side of this, or you'd be pissed off.

I know some people are against trade reversals no matter what. I think SOME deals are so terrible that they should be reversed, but it's a pretty small percentage.

However, when you have the combination of a horrible trade like this coupled with the fact that it is a brand new owner, auto reversal IMO

 

[Sabertooth]

Was offered s

Leveon bell

Spiller

2015 1st

2015 2nd

For Aj green

This offer was from the best team in our league and we play all play so I'd have to face him every week. I turned it down but it was close. Just can't give him a starter of greens caliber to add to his lineup and expect to beat him consistently.

That's a terrible reason not to make a trade. If this makes your team better (that's debatable based on this trade, but another conversation) then you improve yourself against all 10 other owners - that's a no-brainer. Who cares if you make him better too? You're supposed to, that's the idea of a trade, that both owners improve their teams. Who's going to make a trade that doesn't make them better (well aside from about 1/2 of the debacles in this thread)?

My team is loaded. I don't know that Bell or Spiller start and give me an upgrade over the combination I have at RB2 with Alfred Morris, Toby Gerhart, Frank Gore, Carlos Hyde, and Marcus Lattimore. But I know that I will definitely go backwards on AJ Green...my dropoff is AJ Green to Larry Fitzgerald. No way I'm doing that while simultaneously upgrading his WR2 spot (he owns Calvin) from TY Hilton to AJ Green. It seems like a good offer, but I just can't do that.

 

[ghostguy123]

My team is loaded. I don't know that Bell or Spiller start and give me an upgrade over the combination I have at RB2 with Alfred Morris, Toby Gerhart, Frank Gore, Carlos Hyde, and Marcus Lattimore. But I know that I will definitely go backwards on AJ Green...my dropoff is AJ Green to Larry Fitzgerald. No way I'm doing that while simultaneously upgrading his WR2 spot (he owns Calvin) from TY Hilton to AJ Green. It seems like a good offer, but I just can't do that.

If you dont want to do it cause you dont like it for YOUR team cool, but I never worry about what I am giving to the other team at all. I would never use that as a reason to not make a deal in the offseason.

Now, maybe if it is right before the trade deadline and a guy I am competing with is majorly desperate for a WR, I probably wouldnt trade him someone to help him. That is a lot different than a deal now in June though.

It's a very good offer on his part, but I can easily see keeping Green. His 2015 1st will likely be bery late also.

And how good are his RBs where losing Bell and Spiller doesnt hurt him there?? wow

 

[Sabertooth]

Lacy, Bell, Forte, Ball, Spiller, Carey, Franklin. He's loaded right to the brim. Problem for him is he's weaker at wideout than I am at running back.

I think I had the best team last year but I lost Rodgers and Gronkowski. If Gronk can come back, I have a shot at the title for sure. Its 2QB, I'd start

Peyton

Rodgers

Adrian

Morris, Gerhart, or RB1 San Fran

Brandon Marshall
AJ Green

Antonio Brown

Gronk

vs

Brees

Ryan

Lacy

Forte

Calvin

TY

Wayne or Reuben Randle

Graham

 

[Hankmoody]

Was offered s

Leveon bell

Spiller

2015 1st

2015 2nd

For Aj green

This offer was from the best team in our league and we play all play so I'd have to face him every week. I turned it down but it was close. Just can't give him a starter of greens caliber to add to his lineup and expect to beat him consistently.

That's a terrible reason not to make a trade. If this makes your team better (that's debatable based on this trade, but another conversation) then you improve yourself against all 10 other owners - that's a no-brainer. Who cares if you make him better too? You're supposed to, that's the idea of a trade, that both owners improve their teams. Who's going to make a trade that doesn't make them better (well aside from about 1/2 of the debacles in this thread)?

My team is loaded. I don't know that Bell or Spiller start and give me an upgrade over the combination I have at RB2 with Alfred Morris, Toby Gerhart, Frank Gore, Carlos Hyde, and Marcus Lattimore. But I know that I will definitely go backwards on AJ Green...my dropoff is AJ Green to Larry Fitzgerald. No way I'm doing that while simultaneously upgrading his WR2 spot (he owns Calvin) from TY Hilton to AJ Green. It seems like a good offer, but I just can't do that.

And that's the other conversation. If the trade doesn't help you, then by all means pass it up. But to say you wouldn't do it because of how it helps another owner is silly.

 

[GoodLloydHaveMercy]

Earlier I posted a few trades from my 29 man 12 tm non ppr dynasty... Now with the third trade of the trifecta I can finally feel a little better about trades 1 & 2... I had a pretty good feeling I could pull off trade #3 for what should end up being a top 4 pick in 2015 but I didn't want to post until it went through

Recap

I am Team A

12 team non-ppr

QB RB RB WR WR WR TE K DEF

25 yds per pt passing

10 yds per pt rushing/receiving

30 yds per pt kick/punt return

All TDs 6 pts

29 man rosters

3 rd rookie draft

3 Trades

TRADE 1

Team A gives: Doug Martin, 3.1, 2nd rd in 2015 (likely 2.9 to 2.12 range)

Team B gives: 1.6, 2.5, 3.6

TRADE 2

Team A Gives: 2.5 (which was newly acquired)

Team C Gives: Andrew Dalton

TRADE 3

Team A Gives: Marvin Jones, Andy Dalton, 3.7

Team B Gives: 1st rd 2015 (very likely top 4)

 

[Ernol]

Was offered s

Leveon bell

Spiller

2015 1st

2015 2nd

For Aj green

This offer was from the best team in our league and we play all play so I'd have to face him every week. I turned it down but it was close. Just can't give him a starter of greens caliber to add to his lineup and expect to beat him consistently.

That's a terrible reason not to make a trade. If this makes your team better (that's debatable based on this trade, but another conversation) then you improve yourself against all 10 other owners - that's a no-brainer. Who cares if you make him better too? You're supposed to, that's the idea of a trade, that both owners improve their teams. Who's going to make a trade that doesn't make them better (well aside from about 1/2 of the debacles in this thread)?

My team is loaded. I don't know that Bell or Spiller start and give me an upgrade over the combination I have at RB2 with Alfred Morris, Toby Gerhart, Frank Gore, Carlos Hyde, and Marcus Lattimore. But I know that I will definitely go backwards on AJ Green...my dropoff is AJ Green to Larry Fitzgerald. No way I'm doing that while simultaneously upgrading his WR2 spot (he owns Calvin) from TY Hilton to AJ Green. It seems like a good offer, but I just can't do that.

Sabertooth, Im with you. Trades should make both teams better, and often times, I overpay to make my team better. However, if I have the best team and I am upgrading the second best team (assuming they are close), or if I have the second best team and am upgrading the best team (assuming again that it is close), it matters to me how much I am upgrading the other team (relative to how much they are upgrading mine). I'd rather upgrade some other team.

Also, when it comes to guys like AJ Green, Julio Jones, etc., it matters to me where they land. I'd rather keep a guy like AJ Green (even if hypothetically I could not start him) than trade him to "upgrade" my lineup. Upgrade or not, Im not trading them unless I am ok with their destination (or I am getting the better end of the deal).

 

[GoodLloydHaveMercy]

Also wanted to weigh in briefly on the concept of trading a future pick for a current yrs pick one rd earlier to pick up a player you covet... I think a lot of it depends on your conviction on a player that you covet NOW... Does it matter if u are trading a future 1 for a current 2 or if it's a future 2 for a current 3?

Not sure I've ever traded a future 1 for a current 2 but I have fairly frequently traded a future 2 for a current 3...

Typically that has allowed me to snag highly talented "troubled" players for 3rd rd rookie picks

Most recently that has netted me Justin Hunter and Josh Gordon

Doesn't always work but I believe a future 2 for a current 3rd can be worth the risk

Not sure I feel the same way abt a future 1 for a current 2

 

[ghostguy123]

Also, when it comes to guys like AJ Green, Julio Jones, etc., it matters to me where they land. I'd rather keep a guy like AJ Green (even if hypothetically I could not start him) than trade him to "upgrade" my lineup. Upgrade or not, Im not trading them unless I am ok with their destination (or I am getting the better end of the deal).

I dont worry about it because those teams can just as easily turn around and trade that guy to the original team that I didn't want to get that player.

I had this happen once before and then just realized...........F it, and only worry about my own team.

Again, unless it's right before the trade deadline or something, that's different.

 

[Hankmoody]

Also, when it comes to guys like AJ Green, Julio Jones, etc., it matters to me where they land. I'd rather keep a guy like AJ Green (even if hypothetically I could not start him) than trade him to "upgrade" my lineup. Upgrade or not, Im not trading them unless I am ok with their destination (or I am getting the better end of the deal).

I dont worry about it because those teams can just as easily turn around and trade that guy to the original team that I didn't want to get that player.

I had this happen once before and then just realized...........F it, and only worry about my own team.

Again, unless it's right before the trade deadline or something, that's different.

Not only that, but the trade partner's team could drastically change. If you send him to the loaded team and AP wrecks his knee, that team isn't so loaded any more. Sending him to that "bad" team can backfire (A) when you give that bad team a great player; and (B) when that bad team pulls off another trade, sees Richardson turn it back around, sees Josh Gordon come from nowhere, sees David Wilson finally pay off, sees Da'Rick Rodgers break out, sees Colt Lyerla hold himself together, sees Gronkowski come back from injury, etc. etc. etc..

The only reason I make a trade is the net it does for my team - how many points in my starting lineup at what risk to my depth and bye weeks. I'm almost always taking a trade that nets me points in the lineup, depth can be gotten as needed on waivers or future trades.

 

[ghostguy123]

The only reason I make a trade is the net it does for my team - how many points in my starting lineup at what risk to my depth and bye weeks. I'm almost always taking a trade that nets me points in the lineup, depth can be gotten as needed on waivers or future trades.

I try not to do this so much, but instead just go after the better players at a good price, and worry about my actual lineup later. Things change so fast, rather not do a deal I like less just to make my lineup look better only to have someone else get hurt or something creating another need.

 

[cstu]

Gave: Bowe

Got: Streater

I gave away some value here but I'm ok with not seeing Bowe on my roster. I expect Streater to win the #2 job and I already have James Jones.

 

[Dragon1952]

Gave: Bowe

Got: Streater

I gave away some value here but I'm ok with not seeing Bowe on my roster. I expect Streater to win the #2 job and I already have James Jones.

I guess I've got to question why. There can't be any more question marks about a WR corp than for the Raiders. They've got about 6 guys that seem to be pretty close together....Moore, Streater, Little, Jones, Holmes, Criner....and then who is going to start at QB? As for the Chiefs, who is there besides Bowe like it or not?

 

[Hankmoody]

The only reason I make a trade is the net it does for my team - how many points in my starting lineup at what risk to my depth and bye weeks. I'm almost always taking a trade that nets me points in the lineup, depth can be gotten as needed on waivers or future trades.

I try not to do this so much, but instead just go after the better players at a good price, and worry about my actual lineup later. Things change so fast, rather not do a deal I like less just to make my lineup look better only to have someone else get hurt or something creating another need.

Well if you're specifically talking about the offseason, yes. During the season though I'm much more concerned about my lineup than overall roster value.

 

[ghostguy123]

Well if you're specifically talking about the offseason, yes. During the season though I'm much more concerned about my lineup than overall roster value.

More concerned yeah, but I still heavily factor in overall roster value in-season.

I can see Ernol's point regarding AJ Green sitting on his bench rather than trading him for guys that make his lineup look better, unles the value is too good to pass up. It might ot help right then and there, but I can see the appeal.

 

[The Captain]

12 team non-PPR

Team A gave: K. Allen, EJ Manuel, Luke Wilson,2014 4th

Team B gave: Lynch, Larry Fitz, Carson Palmer

 

[cstu]

Gave: Bowe

Got: Streater

I gave away some value here but I'm ok with not seeing Bowe on my roster. I expect Streater to win the #2 job and I already have James Jones.

I guess I've got to question why. There can't be any more question marks about a WR corp than for the Raiders. They've got about 6 guys that seem to be pretty close together....Moore, Streater, Little, Jones, Holmes, Criner....and then who is going to start at QB? As for the Chiefs, who is there besides Bowe like it or not?

Bottom line is that I don't trust him to be able to start him when I need him. He turns 30 soon, has had 2 down years and the same qb he had last year. Streater may end up worthless this year but I feel theres a better chance of his career improving than Bowe's. I also don't think much of the rest ofthe rRaiders wrs.

 

[Adam Harstad]

Also wanted to weigh in briefly on the concept of trading a future pick for a current yrs pick one rd earlier to pick up a player you covet... I think a lot of it depends on your conviction on a player that you covet NOW... Does it matter if u are trading a future 1 for a current 2 or if it's a future 2 for a current 3?

Not sure I've ever traded a future 1 for a current 2 but I have fairly frequently traded a future 2 for a current 3...

Typically that has allowed me to snag highly talented "troubled" players for 3rd rd rookie picks

Most recently that has netted me Justin Hunter and Josh Gordon

Doesn't always work but I believe a future 2 for a current 3rd can be worth the risk

Not sure I feel the same way abt a future 1 for a current 2

Problem is, guys always drop. If you trade a future 2nd to draft a guy that dropped now, you lose your chance to get whichever guy will drop to the second next year.

Not saying it can't ever work, but it's definitely a major "proceed with caution" area. I have one team where I'm stacked and quite confident I'll be picking at the end of the round. I might be willing to do it there. But in a league where I'm not the two-time defending champion? Probably not happening.

 

[renesauz]

Terrance Williams and a 2015 second (unpredictable but most likely mid range) for

Torrey Smith and a 2015 third (likely early)

Auction dynasty PPR- draft picks represent auction dollars

 

[cdubz]

Also wanted to weigh in briefly on the concept of trading a future pick for a current yrs pick one rd earlier to pick up a player you covet... I think a lot of it depends on your conviction on a player that you covet NOW... Does it matter if u are trading a future 1 for a current 2 or if it's a future 2 for a current 3?

Not sure I've ever traded a future 1 for a current 2 but I have fairly frequently traded a future 2 for a current 3...

Typically that has allowed me to snag highly talented "troubled" players for 3rd rd rookie picks

Most recently that has netted me Justin Hunter and Josh Gordon

Doesn't always work but I believe a future 2 for a current 3rd can be worth the risk

Not sure I feel the same way abt a future 1 for a current 2

Problem is, guys always drop. If you trade a future 2nd to draft a guy that dropped now, you lose your chance to get whichever guy will drop to the second next year.

Not saying it can't ever work, but it's definitely a major "proceed with caution" area. I have one team where I'm stacked and quite confident I'll be picking at the end of the round. I might be willing to do it there. But in a league where I'm not the two-time defending champion? Probably not happening.

I can understand where you are coming from on an absolute basis, but based on draft pick values being exponential in nature it becomes easier to give the future pick the later the round on a relative basis.

Working with some generic rookie pick values (I think it originated from Pasquino's draft pick calculator), I am coming up with the following approximate relationships, based on both average and median pick value.

1st 3x as valuable as 2nd

2nd 2.3x as valuable as 3rd

3rd 2x as valuable as a 4th

So this helps tell the story why the hit rate (trade was worth it) on future 2nd for current 3rd would be higher than future 1st for current 2nd. You simply have less ground (on a % basis) to make up, so players need to slide "less".

Also, you have much more room to outperform a future 2nd than future 1st, so there may be an availability bias in referencing similar trades that work out.

 

[Gottabesweet]

Rashad Jennings and Marlon Brown

For

Stevie Johnson and Dwayne Bowe

Deep league, non playoff teams last year

 

[cdubz]

Rashad Jennings and Marlon Brown

For

Stevie Johnson and Dwayne Bowe

Deep league, non playoff teams last year

Interesting one, think I rank the assets as:

Rashad Jennings

Dwayne Bowe

Marlon Brown

Stevie Johnson

Jennings may only be a 1-2 year play, but at least he is a starting RB at the moment. I see Bowe and Stevie being very replaceable, but I guess it depends on how deep that league is. What is the max # of WRs that would be started in a week?

 

[Gottabesweet]

Rashad Jennings and Marlon Brown

For

Stevie Johnson and Dwayne Bowe

Deep league, non playoff teams last year

Interesting one, think I rank the assets as:

Rashad Jennings

Dwayne Bowe

Marlon Brown

Stevie Johnson

Jennings may only be a 1-2 year play, but at least he is a starting RB at the moment. I see Bowe and Stevie being very replaceable, but I guess it depends on how deep that league is. What is the max # of WRs that would be started in a week?

Start 2RBS 3WR 1 flex PPR

 

[Eminence]

Rashad Jennings and Marlon Brown

For

Stevie Johnson and Dwayne Bowe

Deep league, non playoff teams last year

Interesting one, think I rank the assets as:

Rashad Jennings

Dwayne Bowe

Marlon Brown

Stevie Johnson

Jennings may only be a 1-2 year play, but at least he is a starting RB at the moment. I see Bowe and Stevie being very replaceable, but I guess it depends on how deep that league is. What is the max # of WRs that would be started in a week?

Andre Williams > Rashad Jennings.

If Oakland doesn't want to resign you, that's telling your something. I think Jennings was the veteran depth brought it in-case both Wilson and whoever they planned on drafting didn't work out. I mean, I could be wrong because Coughlin has given mediocre backs (Derrick Ward) significant touches before.

 

[cdubz]

Rashad Jennings and Marlon Brown

For

Stevie Johnson and Dwayne Bowe

Deep league, non playoff teams last year

Interesting one, think I rank the assets as:

Rashad Jennings

Dwayne Bowe

Marlon Brown

Stevie Johnson

Jennings may only be a 1-2 year play, but at least he is a starting RB at the moment. I see Bowe and Stevie being very replaceable, but I guess it depends on how deep that league is. What is the max # of WRs that would be started in a week?

Andre Williams > Rashad Jennings.

If Oakland doesn't want to resign you, that's telling your something. I think Jennings was the veteran depth brought it in-case both Wilson and whoever they planned on drafting didn't work out. I mean, I could be wrong because Coughlin has given mediocre backs (Derrick Ward) significant touches before.

Notice how Andre Williams wasn't involved in the trade. Since you are down on Jennings, which of the 3 WRs involved in this trade would you prefer to him?

 

[5Rings]

HyperActive 1 drafted all the way back in 2006. I still have Santonio Holmes left over from the startup draft. I think he's the last dinosaur on my roster. I traded away Aaron Rodgers, Reggie Bush, and Larry Fitzgerald within the past year or so.

Zealots 2004.

Still have Larry Fitzgerald and Daryl Smith from the initial startup draft. Traded Peyton Manning earlier this year.

 

[squistion]

Rashad Jennings and Marlon Brown

For

Stevie Johnson and Dwayne Bowe

Deep league, non playoff teams last year

Interesting one, think I rank the assets as:

Rashad Jennings

Dwayne Bowe

Marlon Brown

Stevie Johnson

Jennings may only be a 1-2 year play, but at least he is a starting RB at the moment. I see Bowe and Stevie being very replaceable, but I guess it depends on how deep that league is. What is the max # of WRs that would be started in a week?

Andre Williams > Rashad Jennings.

If Oakland doesn't want to resign you, that's telling your something. I think Jennings was the veteran depth brought it in-case both Wilson and whoever they planned on drafting didn't work out. I mean, I could be wrong because Coughlin has given mediocre backs (Derrick Ward) significant touches before.

Notice how Andre Williams wasn't involved in the trade. Since you are down on Jennings, which of the 3 WRs involved in this trade would you prefer to him?

He was too busy pimping Andre Williams in yet another thread to care about whether it was actually relevant to the trade.

 

[Childress]

Team A gives 2015 1st (1.1-1.5 prob)

Team B gives Vincent Jackson

 

[dmac37]

Gave:

Moreno

Pitta

Eagles DST

3.10

4.10

Get:

1.8

3.3

Rams DST

I already have Gronko, Reed and H. Miller at TE, also think the Rams will be a top 5 DST. Looks like I may have moved Moreno just in time

 

[5Rings]

12 team,PPR

• Team A gave up Calvin Johnson, Jake Locker, Chris Polk, Year 2014 Draft Pick 4.05;Year 2014 Draft Pick 5.05
• Team B gave up Ladarius Green, Donald Brown, Vincent Brown, Year 2014 Draft Pick 1.10;Year 2014 Draft Pick 4.10

Calvin for a pile of ####. Terrible

I'm huge on Mason, he's my no2 behind sankey.

So it works for me, but I see where you're coming from.

Still have an early first next year (Im assuming) from a team I sold Nelson to

Hope you still have your own #1 as well

 

[ShaHBucks]

Rashad Jennings and Marlon Brown

For

Stevie Johnson and Dwayne Bowe

Deep league, non playoff teams last year

Interesting one, think I rank the assets as:

Rashad Jennings

Dwayne Bowe

Marlon Brown

Stevie Johnson

Jennings may only be a 1-2 year play, but at least he is a starting RB at the moment. I see Bowe and Stevie being very replaceable, but I guess it depends on how deep that league is. What is the max # of WRs that would be started in a week?

Andre Williams > Rashad Jennings.

If Oakland doesn't want to resign you, that's telling your something. I think Jennings was the veteran depth brought it in-case both Wilson and whoever they planned on drafting didn't work out. I mean, I could be wrong because Coughlin has given mediocre backs (Derrick Ward) significant touches before.

Notice how Andre Williams wasn't involved in the trade. Since you are down on Jennings, which of the 3 WRs involved in this trade would you prefer to him?

He was too busy pimping Andre Williams in yet another thread to care about whether it was actually relevant to the trade.

If anything, Jennings had no interest in staying a Raider.

 

[msudaisy26]

Terrance Williams and a 2015 second (unpredictable but most likely mid range) for

Torrey Smith and a 2015 third (likely early)

Auction dynasty PPR- draft picks represent auction dollars

Williams side by a lot

 

[maxhyde]

Terrance Williams and a 2015 second (unpredictable but most likely mid range) for

Torrey Smith and a 2015 third (likely early)

Auction dynasty PPR- draft picks represent auction dollars

I'll take Smith here.

I think it would be good if Williams ever got to where Smith is now. I know what Smith is but I am doubtful TWill can even do that. No confidence in a guy whose value is rising because he plays across from a stud

 

[bostonfred]

Williams is getting overhyped and smith underhyped. I get that williams flashed a little last year, but that doesnt mean hes ever going to post startable wr numbers for an entire season. Hes a lottery ticket, and a low upside one imo.

Meanwhile the biggest argument against smith seems to be that he may not have the upside to be a difference maker. Hes still a quality starter on most ff teams. There's still a possibility that kubiak can make torrey smith a fantasy stud. Smith isnt even close to andre johnson, but kubiak is used to featuring a stud wr/te/rb, so there may be some carryover. If that moves him into good/high end wr2 territory, then thats more than enough upside to justify keeping him or pump and dumping him after a few good games.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

I agree, I'd take Smith over Williams easily.

As was mentioned, the biggest knock on Smith is that he doesn't have the upside to become a true elite tier 1 WR, but I don't think Williams has that either. Smith makes a good long-term FF starter (he's basically the same age as Williams) and he just put up solid WR2 numbers in the midst of Joe Flacco's worst year as a starter.

 

[MattFancy]

I agree, I'd take Smith over Williams easily.

As was mentioned, the biggest knock on Smith is that he doesn't have the upside to become a true elite tier 1 WR, but I don't think Williams has that either. Smith makes a good long-term FF starter (he's basically the same age as Williams) and he just put up solid WR2 numbers in the midst of Joe Flacco's worst year as a starter.

Agreed. Think the Williams hype is starting to get a little out of control. I don't see him as anything more than a WR3 in fantasy. Dez will still get a ton of targets and same with Witten. Williams will be a nice WR3 option, but I'd definitely prefer Torrey.

 

[coolnerd]

I agree, I'd take Smith over Williams easily.

As was mentioned, the biggest knock on Smith is that he doesn't have the upside to become a true elite tier 1 WR, but I don't think Williams has that either. Smith makes a good long-term FF starter (he's basically the same age as Williams) and he just put up solid WR2 numbers in the midst of Joe Flacco's worst year as a starter.

Agreed. Think the Williams hype is starting to get a little out of control. I don't see him as anything more than a WR3 in fantasy. Dez will still get a ton of targets and same with Witten. Williams will be a nice WR3 option, but I'd definitely prefer Torrey.

Not sure I have observed some overwhelming hype for Williams anywhere...certainly not on these boards.

 

[MattFancy]

I agree, I'd take Smith over Williams easily.

As was mentioned, the biggest knock on Smith is that he doesn't have the upside to become a true elite tier 1 WR, but I don't think Williams has that either. Smith makes a good long-term FF starter (he's basically the same age as Williams) and he just put up solid WR2 numbers in the midst of Joe Flacco's worst year as a starter.

Agreed. Think the Williams hype is starting to get a little out of control. I don't see him as anything more than a WR3 in fantasy. Dez will still get a ton of targets and same with Witten. Williams will be a nice WR3 option, but I'd definitely prefer Torrey.

Not sure I have observed some overwhelming hype for Williams anywhere...certainly not on these boards.

Not sure it's overwhelming, but I've seen a few posts here where people think he should be valued more than he currently is. I just personally don't see him as being more than a WR3.

 

[DevilDog919]

Non PPR Dynasty:

Traded: Andre Ellington and 2015 3rd (probably top 3)

Received: Marshawn Lynch and 2015 2nd (2.07 or later most likely)

Then traded: Marshawn Lynch, Larry Fitzgerald, Carson Palmer

Received: Keenan Allen, EJ Manuel, 2015 4th

 

[Warpig]

This trade just went down in my 16 tm ppr/idp league...

Team A gave:

Carson Palmer

Marlon Brown

James Jones

rookie 1.02

rookie 1.10

Team B gave:

Aaron Rodgers

Jordy Nelson

I laughed out loud.

 

[maxhyde]

This trade just went down in my 16 tm ppr/idp league...

Team A gave:

Carson Palmer

Marlon Brown

James Jones

rookie 1.02

rookie 1.10

Team B gave:

Aaron Rodgers

Jordy Nelson

I laughed out loud.

Yeah that isn't a very good deal at all for the side giving up the Packers

Non PPR Dynasty:

Traded: Andre Ellington and 2015 3rd (probably top 3)

Received: Marshawn Lynch and 2015 2nd (2.07 or later most likely)

Then traded: Marshawn Lynch, Larry Fitzgerald, Carson Palmer

Received: Keenan Allen, EJ Manuel, 2015 4th

nonPPR I love the Lynch deal.

Not as high on the Allen deal but still a pretty solid deal

 

[Zyphros]

10 team .5PPR - not involved

Cobb, Hilton, 2015 1st, 2015 3rd (early-mid I'm guessing)

for

Julio, Blackmon, 2.10, 4.09

 

[maxhyde]

10 team .5PPR - not involved

Cobb, Hilton, 2015 1st, 2015 3rd (early-mid I'm guessing)

for

Julio, Blackmon, 2.10, 4.09

Pretty decent price for Julio. Need those studs in 10 team leagues

 

[Tau837]

10 team non-PPR

Gave: Fitzgerald, 2.3

Got: Keenan Allen

 

[maxhyde]

10 team non-PPR

Gave: Fitzgerald, 2.3

Got: Keenan Allen

Nice deal for you. Wish I could get that kind of value for Fitz