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*** OFFICIAL *** 13/14 Off-Season Dynasty Trade Thread (3 Viewers)

12 team PPR 1QB/2RB/2WR/1TE/2FLEX

Team A trades:

Markus Wheaton

Team B trades:

Jonathan Stewart

2015 3rd
Team B is doing cartwheels.
I'd still rather have Stewart.
I'm sure some would. Wheaton isn't exactly a slum dunk. On the team I'm looking to move Stewart he's basically the last remaining asset in a rebuild that won't be competitive until 2016 at best. He'd be fine as a short term flyer for a top team.

 
Sent 1.12 for 2015 1st (projected 2-5)
Excellent move. Do that ever single year you have a pick near 12 and you give yourself a fabulous competitive advantage over time.
Yeah, great move. Frustrating from the POV of other owners to see the league champion not only winning it all, but then still get premium draft picks. Begins to feel like you're never going to catch up when leaguemates just bend over for the strongest team of the league like that.

 
Two recent trades...

Gave - Rookie Picks 18 and 25 plus a 2015 1st (likely in the 8-12 range)

Received - Andre Ellington

Gave - Rookie Picks 3 and 19

Received Rookie Pick 1

 
A trades away Larry Fitz and Derrick Johnson (LB)

B trades away the #14, #15, and #21 rookie picks

A is rebuilding, B is contending.

 
Sent 1.12 for 2015 1st (projected 2-5)
Excellent move. Do that ever single year you have a pick near 12 and you give yourself a fabulous competitive advantage over time.
Yeah, great move. Frustrating from the POV of other owners to see the league champion not only winning it all, but then still get premium draft picks. Begins to feel like you're never going to catch up when leaguemates just bend over for the strongest team of the league like that.
i completely agree with you coming from the POV of other owners. at the same time, you just never know what is going to happen. I did a similar trade last year in one of my leagues that had everyone else in an uproar. I trade 1.11 for a 2014 1st from a weak team. the guy took keenan allen at 1.11 and the pick ended up as 1.05 this year. Obviously (and I think most would agree) I'd rather have allen at this point. this trade didnt exactly work out for me, but in a vacuum I agree with the strategy. trading late 1sts for early future 1st is a winning strategy in the long run IMO

 
Did some dealing during a recent rookie draft.

12 team IDP/PPR

Gave V. Cruz, Dontario Poe, Aldon Smith, 3.10

Got Cordaelle Patterson, Wesley Woodyard, 3.03

Then I made this one.

Gave Percy Harvin

Got 2.09 (Terrance West), 3.03 (traded for Terrence Williams), 2015 2nd rounder (will be top 3-5)

I'm sure most won't like the second trade, but I'm happy. Won 2 of the last 3 titles in this league without Harvin for the most part. I already had sick depth at WR and needed RB help.

 
Was offered: Julio Jones

For: Mike Evans, Cordarelle Patterson and 2015 1st.

I declined.

(posted for those who want to see what some Julio owners are asking)

 
Sent 1.12 for 2015 1st (projected 2-5)
Excellent move. Do that ever single year you have a pick near 12 and you give yourself a fabulous competitive advantage over time.
Yeah, great move. Frustrating from the POV of other owners to see the league champion not only winning it all, but then still get premium draft picks. Begins to feel like you're never going to catch up when leaguemates just bend over for the strongest team of the league like that.
i completely agree with you coming from the POV of other owners. at the same time, you just never know what is going to happen. I did a similar trade last year in one of my leagues that had everyone else in an uproar. I trade 1.11 for a 2014 1st from a weak team. the guy took keenan allen at 1.11 and the pick ended up as 1.05 this year. Obviously (and I think most would agree) I'd rather have allen at this point. this trade didnt exactly work out for me, but in a vacuum I agree with the strategy. trading late 1sts for early future 1st is a winning strategy in the long run IMO
If you did it the year before, you coulda traded down that high pick to get Keenan Allen and another 1st. Long term it works fabulously

 
Did some dealing during a recent rookie draft.

12 team IDP/PPR

Gave V. Cruz, Dontario Poe, Aldon Smith, 3.10

Got Cordaelle Patterson, Wesley Woodyard, 3.03

Then I made this one.

Gave Percy Harvin

Got 2.09 (Terrance West), 3.03 (traded for Terrence Williams), 2015 2nd rounder (will be top 3-5)

I'm sure most won't like the second trade, but I'm happy. Won 2 of the last 3 titles in this league without Harvin for the most part. I already had sick depth at WR and needed RB help.
Not sure which one I like less to be honest.

I think you have to be a huge believer in CP to believe he will ever be worth more than Cruz. He sure isn't right now to me. Both D players you gave up I like better than Woodyard so the only place I like it is moving up in the 3rd.

I like Harvin by miles in the 2nd one

 
Did some dealing during a recent rookie draft.

12 team IDP/PPR

Gave V. Cruz, Dontario Poe, Aldon Smith, 3.10

Got Cordaelle Patterson, Wesley Woodyard, 3.03

Then I made this one.

Gave Percy Harvin

Got 2.09 (Terrance West), 3.03 (traded for Terrence Williams), 2015 2nd rounder (will be top 3-5)

I'm sure most won't like the second trade, but I'm happy. Won 2 of the last 3 titles in this league without Harvin for the most part. I already had sick depth at WR and needed RB help.
As you expected, I hate the second one.

 
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Did some dealing during a recent rookie draft.

12 team IDP/PPR

Gave V. Cruz, Dontario Poe, Aldon Smith, 3.10

Got Cordaelle Patterson, Wesley Woodyard, 3.03

Then I made this one.

Gave Percy Harvin

Got 2.09 (Terrance West), 3.03 (traded for Terrence Williams), 2015 2nd rounder (will be top 3-5)

I'm sure most won't like the second trade, but I'm happy. Won 2 of the last 3 titles in this league without Harvin for the most part. I already had sick depth at WR and needed RB help.
Not sure which one I like less to be honest.I think you have to be a huge believer in CP to believe he will ever be worth more than Cruz. He sure isn't right now to me. Both D players you gave up I like better than Woodyard so the only place I like it is moving up in the 3rd.

I like Harvin by miles in the 2nd one
It would surprise me if many valued Cruz over Patterson. Patterson is still raw and outscored Cruz last year. Woodyard is a tackle machine in the middle. Smith isn't playing this year. Poe isn't a big scorer. We can run a 4-3 or 3-4 defense. There are plenty of DTs on the waiver wire that I can plug in.I understand Harvin is a dynamic player, but the past 2 years have been frustrating. The hip scares me. As I said I have plenty of depth at WR. In a league where you have to start 3-4 RBs I desperately needed to add 1. I have McCoy, Reggie, Sproles, Ingram and Ivory.

 
Gave away

Josh Gordon

Tre Mason

Knoshon moreno

Kiry Robinson

Got

Monte Ball

Gronk
well done.
Fair trade. I still have my concerns about Gronk, and Ball is still a partially proven commodity.

I like the value on the other side. I think Khiry and Tre Mason will be solid long term players, give me the 4 players.
Sorry, I thought this deal was ugly in favor of the Ball.Gronk side
I agree. Ball/Gronk in a landslide for me
 
Did some dealing during a recent rookie draft.

12 team IDP/PPR

Gave V. Cruz, Dontario Poe, Aldon Smith, 3.10

Got Cordaelle Patterson, Wesley Woodyard, 3.03

Then I made this one.

Gave Percy Harvin

Got 2.09 (Terrance West), 3.03 (traded for Terrence Williams), 2015 2nd rounder (will be top 3-5)

I'm sure most won't like the second trade, but I'm happy. Won 2 of the last 3 titles in this league without Harvin for the most part. I already had sick depth at WR and needed RB help.
Not sure which one I like less to be honest.I think you have to be a huge believer in CP to believe he will ever be worth more than Cruz. He sure isn't right now to me. Both D players you gave up I like better than Woodyard so the only place I like it is moving up in the 3rd.

I like Harvin by miles in the 2nd one
It would surprise me if many valued Cruz over Patterson. Patterson is still raw and outscored Cruz last year. Woodyard is a tackle machine in the middle. Smith isn't playing this year. Poe isn't a big scorer. We can run a 4-3 or 3-4 defense. There are plenty of DTs on the waiver wire that I can plug in.I understand Harvin is a dynamic player, but the past 2 years have been frustrating. The hip scares me. As I said I have plenty of depth at WR. In a league where you have to start 3-4 RBs I desperately needed to add 1. I have McCoy, Reggie, Sproles, Ingram and Ivory.
He outscored Cruz? Only leagues I have that he outscored Cruz in are return leagues in which case I reverse my decision on that deal but would have been helpful to know scoring before. In straight PPR leagues Cruz outscored him by a solid margin still in Cruz's worst year

If it is return yards the Harvin deal is even worse than I originally thought

 
Gave away

Josh Gordon

Tre Mason

Knoshon moreno

Kiry Robinson

Got

Monte Ball

Gronk
well done.
Fair trade. I still have my concerns about Gronk, and Ball is still a partially proven commodity.

I like the value on the other side. I think Khiry and Tre Mason will be solid long term players, give me the 4 players.
Sorry, I thought this deal was ugly in favor of the Ball.Gronk side
I agree. Ball/Gronk in a landslide for me
+2

 
Gave away

Josh Gordon

Tre Mason

Knoshon moreno

Kiry Robinson

Got

Monte Ball

Gronk
well done.
Fair trade. I still have my concerns about Gronk, and Ball is still a partially proven commodity.

I like the value on the other side. I think Khiry and Tre Mason will be solid long term players, give me the 4 players.
Sorry, I thought this deal was ugly in favor of the Ball.Gronk side
I agree. Ball/Gronk in a landslide for me
+2
Ball and Gronk by miles.

 
Did some dealing during a recent rookie draft.

12 team IDP/PPR

Gave V. Cruz, Dontario Poe, Aldon Smith, 3.10

Got Cordaelle Patterson, Wesley Woodyard, 3.03

Then I made this one.

Gave Percy Harvin

Got 2.09 (Terrance West), 3.03 (traded for Terrence Williams), 2015 2nd rounder (will be top 3-5)

I'm sure most won't like the second trade, but I'm happy. Won 2 of the last 3 titles in this league without Harvin for the most part. I already had sick depth at WR and needed RB help.
Not sure which one I like less to be honest.I think you have to be a huge believer in CP to believe he will ever be worth more than Cruz. He sure isn't right now to me. Both D players you gave up I like better than Woodyard so the only place I like it is moving up in the 3rd.

I like Harvin by miles in the 2nd one
It would surprise me if many valued Cruz over Patterson. Patterson is still raw and outscored Cruz last year. Woodyard is a tackle machine in the middle. Smith isn't playing this year. Poe isn't a big scorer. We can run a 4-3 or 3-4 defense. There are plenty of DTs on the waiver wire that I can plug in.I understand Harvin is a dynamic player, but the past 2 years have been frustrating. The hip scares me. As I said I have plenty of depth at WR. In a league where you have to start 3-4 RBs I desperately needed to add 1. I have McCoy, Reggie, Sproles, Ingram and Ivory.
He outscored Cruz? Only leagues I have that he outscored Cruz in are return leagues in which case I reverse my decision on that deal but would have been helpful to know scoring before. In straight PPR leagues Cruz outscored him by a solid margin still in Cruz's worst year

If it is return yards the Harvin deal is even worse than I originally thought
Yeah... not sure how Patterson could have outscored Cruz last year. Short of as you said, return yardage. Cruz averaged 12.68ppg last season in my standard PPR league vs Patterson's 9.40. Cruz didn't even play the last two weeks of the season and still outscored Patterson by 25 points. And as you said, if it's a return yardage league than that first deal actually seems really solid to me then. I don't put much value on a DT, usually you can get lucky off waivers on one. Every year I pickup a DT off waivers who ends up having a Top 10 season.

But as you also said, if it's a return yardage league than the Percy trade seems so insanely lopsided I'd almost think it was collusion. Trading one of the most dynamic players in the NFL for a bunch of scrap metal is a tough sell to me. And I actually like Terrance Williams (although, I'm unsure how you got Terrance Williams for a 3rd round pick, that's a whole different conversation). Unless your WR depth is like Calvin, Green and Julio or something stupid, I don't like trading away Harvin.

 
NMT

14tm 0.5 ppr qb, 2wr, 2rb, 2flex, te, d

Ertz

Geno

Dobson

L. Bell

4.11

for

R. Wilson

Gates

1.1

3.1
Fair trade, but I prefer the Wilson (and, I'm assuming, Watkins) side by a solid bit. I think that's a pretty good price for a strong QB with major job security in a 14-teamer.

 
Did some dealing during a recent rookie draft.

12 team IDP/PPR

Gave V. Cruz, Dontario Poe, Aldon Smith, 3.10

Got Cordaelle Patterson, Wesley Woodyard, 3.03

Then I made this one.

Gave Percy Harvin

Got 2.09 (Terrance West), 3.03 (traded for Terrence Williams), 2015 2nd rounder (will be top 3-5)

I'm sure most won't like the second trade, but I'm happy. Won 2 of the last 3 titles in this league without Harvin for the most part. I already had sick depth at WR and needed RB help.
Not sure which one I like less to be honest.I think you have to be a huge believer in CP to believe he will ever be worth more than Cruz. He sure isn't right now to me. Both D players you gave up I like better than Woodyard so the only place I like it is moving up in the 3rd.

I like Harvin by miles in the 2nd one
It would surprise me if many valued Cruz over Patterson. Patterson is still raw and outscored Cruz last year. Woodyard is a tackle machine in the middle. Smith isn't playing this year. Poe isn't a big scorer. We can run a 4-3 or 3-4 defense. There are plenty of DTs on the waiver wire that I can plug in.I understand Harvin is a dynamic player, but the past 2 years have been frustrating. The hip scares me. As I said I have plenty of depth at WR. In a league where you have to start 3-4 RBs I desperately needed to add 1. I have McCoy, Reggie, Sproles, Ingram and Ivory.
He outscored Cruz? Only leagues I have that he outscored Cruz in are return leagues in which case I reverse my decision on that deal but would have been helpful to know scoring before. In straight PPR leagues Cruz outscored him by a solid margin still in Cruz's worst year

If it is return yards the Harvin deal is even worse than I originally thought
Yeah... not sure how Patterson could have outscored Cruz last year. Short of as you said, return yardage. Cruz averaged 12.68ppg last season in my standard PPR league vs Patterson's 9.40. Cruz didn't even play the last two weeks of the season and still outscored Patterson by 25 points. And as you said, if it's a return yardage league than that first deal actually seems really solid to me then. I don't put much value on a DT, usually you can get lucky off waivers on one. Every year I pickup a DT off waivers who ends up having a Top 10 season.

But as you also said, if it's a return yardage league than the Percy trade seems so insanely lopsided I'd almost think it was collusion. Trading one of the most dynamic players in the NFL for a bunch of scrap metal is a tough sell to me. And I actually like Terrance Williams (although, I'm unsure how you got Terrance Williams for a 3rd round pick, that's a whole different conversation). Unless your WR depth is like Calvin, Green and Julio or something stupid, I don't like trading away Harvin.
I agree on the DT but Poe was DT#5/6 in our tiered IDP league in his 2nd year. Not a guy I trade away for a LB3/4 with no clear role like Woodyard now in TEN.

Anyway I agree the IDP players wouldn't move my decision much either way concerning Cruz and CP.

 
Gave - Andre Ellington, Travis Kelce

Received - Kendall Wright, 1.12, DMC, 2015 1st rounder (likely in the 8-10 range)

 
12 team PPR

A) Watkins, Boykin, 2015 2nd (mid to late)

B) Hilton, Beckham Jr, K Robinson, 2015 1st (early to mid)

 
12 team PPR. Only need to start 1 RB

Team A gave: Lacy

Team B gave: Spiller, Harvin, 1.10
I like Lacy, but wow that's a TON for him.
I had a feeling most would say that. I was the one getting Lacy. I had Spiller and Stacy at RB, did not want to have to choose which one to start each week, as I'm not overly high on either one (I ended up trading Stacy later on as well). My WRs are Dez, AJG, Jeffery, K.Wright, Hopkins and Cooks. TEs are Gronk and Cameron. The lineup is 1RB, 2WR, 1 TE, 2Flex (QB, K and D) So I can start:

Lacy

Dez, AJG, Jeffery

Gronk

Last flex spot - Cameron, Wright, Cooks, Hopkins, J.Bell, T.West

Lacy is my RB3 in dynasty. It was an overpay, but given our lineup requirements and the makeup of my team, I felt it was almost a no-brainer for me. I don't trust Harvin at all either. He would have never seen my starting lineup other than drastic injuries or bye weeks (and even then, unless I had like 3 or 4 guys with the same bye week, he probably would be on the bench)...

 
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Team A: Zach Ertz, Percy Harvin

Team B: Josh Gordon, Michael Floyd, 5th round pick
I can see a FLoyd for Harvin/Ertz deal as even. ALmost seems like Gordon for free.

Floyd and Gordon for me rather easily. Might hurt my finger clicking accept.
Didn't know I'd have to throw in something with Harvin to get Floyd...as I like Harvin better than Floyd alone. If I'm competing now, I'd take the Harvin side - if I'm rebuilding I'd take the Gordon/Floyd side.

 
Team A: Zach Ertz, Percy Harvin

Team B: Josh Gordon, Michael Floyd, 5th round pick
I can see a FLoyd for Harvin/Ertz deal as even. ALmost seems like Gordon for free.

Floyd and Gordon for me rather easily. Might hurt my finger clicking accept.
Didn't know I'd have to throw in something with Harvin to get Floyd...as I like Harvin better than Floyd alone. If I'm competing now, I'd take the Harvin side - if I'm rebuilding I'd take the Gordon/Floyd side.
I can see preferring Harvin over Floyd straight up. I do also.

But FLoyd is going well ahead of Harvin in startups this summer, at least some of the most recent ones I have seen.

Value-wise, this is Gordon for free.

 

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