***Official '16-'17 NHL Season Discussion Thread*** (2 Viewers)

[Gally]

Henrik looked like Henrik tonight

Kings being Kings.  He made some great saves but the Kings can't score into an empty net right now (They would hit the post).

 

[Gally]

I have an extra ticket to the skills competition on Saturday.  Anybody in the LA area interested in going?  Price is negotiable,  DM me if you are interested.  I am going so I can meet you down there prior to the event.

 

[Northern Voice]

Patrick Marleau natural hat trick then to top it off scores another to make it 4 goals in 13 minutes. 

Unbelievable !!!

Sucks this wasn't Thornton...

 

[Northern Voice]

if it was me, I'd protect Zucker over Staal (not considering Brodin/Dumba over Zucker, which I would favor the D).  having a great year but he's got two years left and is long in the tooth.  you can find another aging center that will give you similar.  Zucker has been fantastic for the last 6 weeks and is just reaching his potential.

If you take out history with the team, there's no reason not to protect Staal over Koivu. Younger and has outproduced him his entire career aside from 15-16, way better contract too.

EDIT - I assume Koivu has to be protected with a NMC because looking at his contract, you would definitely expose him and he wouldn't be picked.

 

[Bill Brasky]

If you take out history with the team, there's no reason not to protect Staal over Koivu. Younger and has outproduced him his entire career aside from 15-16, way better contract too.

EDIT - I assume Koivu has to be protected with a NMC because looking at his contract, you would definitely expose him and he wouldn't be picked.

yes, Koivu has no movement.  along with Suter, Parise, and Poms.  if you throw those out obviously things change quite a bit.  I agree Staal has the more attractive contract for what he provides even with the extra year.

 

[Christo]

Go Hawks!

 

[Christo]

Toews!

 

[Christo]

Keith!

 

[Christo]

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

EICHEL!

 

[Cjw_55106]

Keep piling up the points MN. 

 

[TheAristocrat]

This Wild team is fantastic and deep.  Scary awesome despite the upcoming draft.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

6 teams in the East tied with 49 points and 1 with 50.

This point system is so useless.

 

[Cjw_55106]

6 teams in the East tied with 49 points and 1 with 50.

This point system is so useless.

You are basing the points system's worth by how the worst six teams in a conference stack up? Of those seven teams, five have exactly 20 regulation wins. While your argument may have merit, this seems to be an odd Exhibit A.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

You are basing the points system's worth by how the worst six teams in a conference stack up? Of those seven teams, five have exactly 20 regulation wins. While your argument may have merit, this seems to be an odd Exhibit A.

That is incorrect. You are looking at ROW which includes OT wins. In those games, the loser also gets a point so 3 points are awarded while a regulation win only awards 2 points. 

All 8 teams out of the playoffs In the East are within 4 points of the last playoff team right now. 

Across the league, 17 teams are within 6 points of each other (48 to 54). 

Pretty sure if all games were equal, we'd have a lot more separation.

 

[RUSF18]

How anyone can argue that this point system isn't ####ed is beyond me.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

btw, the Capitals are 30-10 in games that end in regulation. Columbus is 28-11, Minnesota is 27-11, and Pittsburgh is 26-12.

 

[Cjw_55106]

Wouldn't the top 16 be nearly the same as it is now? 

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Wouldn't the top 16 be nearly the same as it is now? 

sure, but that's not my point.

my point is there's no clear separation between the teams fighting for the last few playoff spots. they are all bunched into one huge blob now, when there should be more separation.

 

[Bill Brasky]

 at Rado and Zona having their points go down

 

[RUSF18]

If they went to a points system that awarded 3 points for regulation win, 2 points for win in OT or shootout, 1 point for loss in OT or shootout, and 0 points for regulation loss, standings would look like this:

But RECORDS!

 

[Wooderson]

6 in a row Sharks hottest team in hockey. 

 

[Spin]

Ugh, ugly loss for Preds last night. After they went up 4 - 2 they really seemed to mail it in and just try to outlast for the last 5 or so minutes.  Let Bufallo score two late goals, then take it in OT. Bleh.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Ugh, ugly loss for Preds last night. After they went up 4 - 2 they really seemed to mail it in and just try to outlast for the last 5 or so minutes.  Let Bufallo score two late goals, then take it in OT. Bleh.

Sabres are on fire

 

[Zegras11]

sure, but that's not my point.

my point is there's no clear separation between the teams fighting for the last few playoff spots. they are all bunched into one huge blob now, when there should be more separation.

Would also change third period strategy. Too many teams now play for the point.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

I made some calculation errors earlier.

Here's what things would look like (not as much separation as I would have expected to see, but still seems better)


Team


GP


Adj Pts


WAS


48


95


MIN


47


93


CBJ


47


92


NYR


48


90


PIT


47


89


MTL


49


89


SJS


49


88


CHI


50


86


ANA


50


86


EDM


49


78


OTT


46


76


NSH


48


74


BOS


51


73


STL


48


71


TOR


45


70


CGY


51


70


TBL


49


68


NYI


46


66


CAR


47


65


PHI


48


65


DAL


49


65


WPG


51


65


BUF


47


63


LAK


48


63


VAN


48


63


FLA


49


62


NJD


49


61


DET


48


60


ARZ


47


44


COL


45


36

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

in terms of regulation records, top teams are:

WAS 25-10
MIN 26-11
CBJ 24-11
PIT 24-12
MTL 24-13

and bottom teams are:

LAK 13-21
NJD 12-20
DET 11-19
ARZ 8-26
COL 8-30

 

[Spin]

Sabres are on fire

Yah, but that last goal.

Terrible defense in OT, they just let Eichel waltz in.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Best teams in OT (excludes shootouts):

NYR 2-0
LAK 9-1
COL 5-1
WAS 6-2
CGY 3-1
SJS 5-2
PHI 5-2
CBJ 6-3
CHI 7-4

Worst teams in OT (excludes shootouts):

NYI 2-6
TBL 1-3
DET 3-9
ANA 2-8
DAL 2-9
NSH 1-5

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Yah, but that last goal.

Terrible defense in OT, they just let Eichel waltz in.

1 vs 3 and a ripper. beauty of a goal.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

amazing that the Kings are 13-21 in regulation and then 9-1 in OT (excluding shootouts). Ducks are 23-14 in regulation but 2-8 in OT (excluding shootouts). Crazy stuff.

meanwhile, Red Wings are 11-19 in regulation and 3-9 in OT, but they are still just 4 points out of a playoff spot thanks to all those loser points and the 6-0 shootout record.

 

[sho nuff]

Ugh, ugly loss for Preds last night. After they went up 4 - 2 they really seemed to mail it in and just try to outlast for the last 5 or so minutes.  Let Bufallo score two late goals, then take it in OT. Bleh.

Sabres looked to be far more aggressive at the net though...Saros kept them in it with some great saves.  Thought Buffalo outplayed them for most of the 2nd and 3rd.

Always sucks giving up those late goals with the G pulled.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

teams who have taken the most games to OT:

FLA 18
DET 18
NJD 17
PHI 16
EDM 16
BUF 15
VAN 15

teams with fewest games that went to OT:

SJS 9
WPG 9
CGY 8
TBL 8
COL 7
NYR 5

37% of all games played by Florida or Detroit have gone to OT this year and resulted in 3 standings points being given out.

In comparison, only 10% of Rangers games have gone to OT.

 

[IC FBGCav]

If they went to a points system that awarded 3 points for regulation win, 2 points for win in OT or shootout, 1 point for loss in OT or shootout, and 0 points for regulation loss

This is what needs to be done.   All games must be worth the same number of points and it is really that simply.   You give 2 points in a game there is a clear winner and 3 points in a game that is even.   Makes no sense.

 

[Spin]

Sabres looked to be far more aggressive at the net though...Saros kept them in it with some great saves.  Thought Buffalo outplayed them for most of the 2nd and 3rd.

Always sucks giving up those late goals with the G pulled.

Yah, they definitive were more aggressive.

Side note: I can't wait til they stop with that fcking Rick Flair woooo.  It sounded like a ton of dying cats howling inside Bridgestone Arena.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

in 2015-2016, 22% of all games went to OT. 39% of those games ended with a shootout.

in 2016-2017 so far, 25% of all games went to OT. 35% of those games ended with a shootout.

by comparison, in 2014-2015, 25% of all games went to OT. 56% of those games ended with a shootout.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

here's a side by side comparison using both points systems:


Team


GP


PTS


ROW


Adj Pts


Rank1


Rank2


WAS


48


70


31


95


1


1


MIN


47


67


29


93


3


2


CBJ


47


68


30


92


2


3


NYR


48


63


29


90


8


4


PIT


47


65


28


89


4


5


MTL


49


65


28


89


5


6


SJS


49


64


29


88


7


7


CHI


50


65


28


86


6


8


ANA


50


63


25


86


9


9


EDM


49


60


23


78


10


10


OTT


46


57


22


76


11


11


NSH


48


54


21


74


12


12


BOS


51


54


22


73


13


13


STL


48


53


23


71


15


14


TOR


45


53


21


70


14


15


CGY


51


51


22


70


17


16


TBL


49


49


20


68


25


17


NYI


46


49


19


66


21


18


CAR


47


49


19


65


22


19


PHI


48


52


18


65


16


20


DAL


49


48


19


65


27


21


WPG


51


48


20


65


28


22


BUF


47


49


19


63


22


23


LAK


48


50


22


63


18


24


VAN


48


50


18


63


19


25


FLA


49


50


17


62


20


26


NJD


49


49


17


61


26


27


DET


48


49


14


60


24


28


ARZ


47


36


11


44


29


29


COL


45


28


13


36


30


30

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Most of the differences show up towards the bottom where lots of teams are bunched close together.

NYR go from 8th to 4th
TBL go from 25th to 17th
DAL go from 27th to 21st
WPG go from 28th to 22nd
LAK go from 18th to 24th
VAN go from 19th to 25th
FLA go from 20th to 26th

 

[TheAristocrat]

I prefer Rud's NHL Rankings

 

[The_Man]

I'm trying to imagine what would happen if the Caps and a team coached by Boudreau met in the playoffs, and I literally can't envision a plausible scenario for how OT in Game 7 would play out.

 

[Foosball God]

teams who have taken the most games to OT:

FLA 18
DET 18
NJD 17
PHI 16
EDM 16
BUF 15
VAN 15

teams with fewest games that went to OT:

SJS 9
WPG 9
CGY 8
TBL 8
COL 7
NYR 5

37% of all games played by Florida or Detroit have gone to OT this year and resulted in 3 standings points being given out.

In comparison, only 10% of Rangers games have gone to OT.

Gotta keep the streak alive somehow.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

I'm trying to imagine what would happen if the Caps and a team coached by Boudreau met in the playoffs, and I literally can't envision a plausible scenario for how OT in Game 7 would play out.

I think Justin Williams tips the scales here

 

[Zegras11]

The fact that some games generate three points and others two defies logic. 

 

[Cjw_55106]

Wild up 5-1. I'd be surprised if Hitchcock makes it through the season. The Blues have thrown in the towel. 

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Wild up 5-1. I'd be surprised if Hitchcock makes it through the season. The Blues have thrown in the towel. 

They just shut out Pittsburgh on Tuesday

 

[Cjw_55106]

They just shut out Pittsburgh on Tuesday

Bad wording from me. They appear to have thrown in the towel tonight. 

I have to admit, their record is better than I thought. 

 

[TheAristocrat]

It might be that The Wild are pretty good. Roll three scoring lines with great defense in position. Great goaltending.

Can they keep it up? Yeah, I think so. This team on any rest is playing or out playing opponents. Back to backs I believe is split 50/50ish.

Exciting for Minnesota hockey fans. I love this team and I'll miss what we lose in the Vegas draft.

 

[Bill Brasky]

Little!

 

[Zegras11]

Little!

 

[Bill Brasky]

this is crazy

http://www.nhl.com/stats/player?aggregate=0&gameType=2&report=skatersummary&pos=S&reportType=season&seasonFrom=20162017&seasonTo=20162017&filter=gamesPlayed,gte,1&sort=plusMinus