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****OFFICIAL 2008 Washington Redskins Thread**** (1 Viewer)
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Well, here it is...Dallas week.
And I'm hearing the naysayers already, after that Pittsburgh travesty. First half of the season was a mirage...bunch of close games against poor/hurt teams, got beat up by the two really physical teams the Skins played, yadda yadda yadda. A lot of people seem to be expecting the Skins to fold up bad the last seven games now, starting with the now-healthy Cowboys.
This is it. The one. Skins win, and they are 7-3, and looking very promising for the playoffs. They lose, and then the questions really start. They will lose all momentum, and it would be very easy to start pressing.
I sure hope Zorn stays as "medium" as he has been preaching. It would be very easy for the team to get too worked up. I think if the Skins avoid mistakes, they should do all right. But I bet it's a close game - they all seem to be in the NFC East. And hopefully there will be more burgundy and gold than blue and white in the stands...
And I'm hearing the naysayers already, after that Pittsburgh travesty. First half of the season was a mirage...bunch of close games against poor/hurt teams, got beat up by the two really physical teams the Skins played, yadda yadda yadda. A lot of people seem to be expecting the Skins to fold up bad the last seven games now, starting with the now-healthy Cowboys.
This is it. The one. Skins win, and they are 7-3, and looking very promising for the playoffs. They lose, and then the questions really start. They will lose all momentum, and it would be very easy to start pressing.
I sure hope Zorn stays as "medium" as he has been preaching. It would be very easy for the team to get too worked up. I think if the Skins avoid mistakes, they should do all right. But I bet it's a close game - they all seem to be in the NFC East. And hopefully there will be more burgundy and gold than blue and white in the stands...
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
From Matt Terl's blog:
When was Deion let go? Deion played during the '00 season and Smoot wasn't drafted until '01. Just trying to figure out when all 4 of them would have been in the same meeting.I wonder how much of Champ's success can be attributed to his exposure to Green and Sanders. Those must have been some great meetings for a young CB to have been in.
Bankerguy
Footballguy
Wat?
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
It's from Zorn's presser today, and is the equivalent of saying he'll be listed as questionable. This week won't be any different than the past 4-5 weeks. They'll limit Portis' practice time, he'll be officially listed as probable or questionable, then he'll suit up and play Sunday.
T Bell
Footballguy
I guess I'm fine with the Hall signing given the lack of commitment from the team. They're essentially kicking the tires of a talented if erratic former 1st round CB who supposedly is better suited to this defense than his last one. I'm not a big fan of his attitude or mouth, so we'll have to see how that works out. There's good veteran leadership on that team unlike Hall's days with the Raiders and Falcons so maybe that'll temper his attitude a bit. Maybe. I can hope, right?
As for Torrence, I can't say I'm stunned when a former UDFA and 4th string CB is cut, but I'm as close to stunned as I can be under those circumstances. He seemed like another James Thrash type of player, an unlikely overachiever who excels in various "dirty jobs" for the team because of his brains, toughness and hard work. I can't understand how he and not Tryon was cut. I think that that sends the wrong message to the team, especially now that the team has chosen to retain two of its draft picks despite the fact that they didn't prove their worth, Durant Brooks after training camp being the other one. At a minimum I hope Blache and Gray signed off on this, because at least that would signal that they didn't think he could develop much more. Still, I don't get it.
As for Torrence, I can't say I'm stunned when a former UDFA and 4th string CB is cut, but I'm as close to stunned as I can be under those circumstances. He seemed like another James Thrash type of player, an unlikely overachiever who excels in various "dirty jobs" for the team because of his brains, toughness and hard work. I can't understand how he and not Tryon was cut. I think that that sends the wrong message to the team, especially now that the team has chosen to retain two of its draft picks despite the fact that they didn't prove their worth, Durant Brooks after training camp being the other one. At a minimum I hope Blache and Gray signed off on this, because at least that would signal that they didn't think he could develop much more. Still, I don't get it.
T Bell
Footballguy
Smoot's right. Remember teh staring contest that Marty got into with Deion during the 2001 off-season, trying to get Deion to quit or retire so that the team could save cap $? I'm pretty sure that that extended beyond the first post-draft mini-camp that Smoot attended. Regardless, I'd doubt that Smoot would forget his first meeting with his idol.
buster c
Footballguy
actually, I do not. do you have any links or whatever that would speak to this? as Zorny as I am, 7 years later I still miss Marty. when you start 0-5 and finish at 8-8...well, you know where I'm going with that...Smoot's right. Remember teh staring contest that Marty got into with Deion during the 2001 off-season, trying to get Deion to quit or retire so that the team could save cap $? I'm pretty sure that that extended beyond the first post-draft mini-camp that Smoot attended. Regardless, I'd doubt that Smoot would forget his first meeting with his idol.
T Bell
Footballguy
It's hard to believe, but that was 7.5 years ago now. I don't know where to find a link.Basically what happened was that the exorbitant spending for the 2000 Super Bowl run (buster c said:actually, I do not. do you have any links or whatever that would speak to this? as Zorny as I am, 7 years later I still miss Marty. when you start 0-5 and finish at 8-8...well, you know where I'm going with that...Smoot's right. Remember teh staring contest that Marty got into with Deion during the 2001 off-season, trying to get Deion to quit or retire so that the team could save cap $? I'm pretty sure that that extended beyond the first post-draft mini-camp that Smoot attended. Regardless, I'd doubt that Smoot would forget his first meeting with his idol.
) which had landed Bruce Smith, Mark Carrier, Jeff George and Deion had the team in severe cap trouble (the only time, contrary to popular belief, that that's ever happened with Snyder) and so Marty was ruthlessly clearing out the old, expensive players to clear cap space. Deion was one such player, and had already made noise about retiring IIRC. Deion had signed a multi-year contract with the team with a large ($8M?) bonus, but if he retired the team would recoup the prorated share of that bonus; if he was cut, the team would have to eat it. And I think part of or the remainder of the bonus was due to be paid to Deion in 2001, maybe on June 1 or something. So Marty was in this battle of wills with Deion trying to force him to retire to prevent the team from having to pay him that roster bonus or swallow the signing bonus, something like that. That was still going on when Smoot was drafted and arrived for his first mini-camp, which I guess Deion attended as part of this contest with Marty.
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
Thanks, TB.It's hard to believe, but that was 7.5 years ago now. I don't know where to find a link.Basically what happened was that the exorbitant spending for the 2000 Super Bowl run (buster c said:actually, I do not. do you have any links or whatever that would speak to this? as Zorny as I am, 7 years later I still miss Marty. when you start 0-5 and finish at 8-8...well, you know where I'm going with that...Smoot's right. Remember teh staring contest that Marty got into with Deion during the 2001 off-season, trying to get Deion to quit or retire so that the team could save cap $? I'm pretty sure that that extended beyond the first post-draft mini-camp that Smoot attended. Regardless, I'd doubt that Smoot would forget his first meeting with his idol.
) which had landed Bruce Smith, Mark Carrier, Jeff George and Deion had the team in severe cap trouble (the only time, contrary to popular belief, that that's ever happened with Snyder) and so Marty was ruthlessly clearing out the old, expensive players to clear cap space. Deion was one such player, and had already made noise about retiring IIRC. Deion had signed a multi-year contract with the team with a large ($8M?) bonus, but if he retired the team would recoup the prorated share of that bonus; if he was cut, the team would have to eat it. And I think part of or the remainder of the bonus was due to be paid to Deion in 2001, maybe on June 1 or something. So Marty was in this battle of wills with Deion trying to force him to retire to prevent the team from having to pay him that roster bonus or swallow the signing bonus, something like that. That was still going on when Smoot was drafted and arrived for his first mini-camp, which I guess Deion attended as part of this contest with Marty.
I couldn't recall any specifics about when and why Deion left the 'Skins.I *think* Campbell said it was an MCL with Portis just now on Doc's show. He pointed to a horse collar-ish tackle in the Steeler game as where it happened. Sounded like he would sit this week, try to go on Saturday in practice and see what happens for Sunday.
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Dexter Manley
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Wasn't this horsecollar tackle on the sideline towards the end of the game when Portis should of no longer been in there? If that's the play I'm thinking of, Zorn really blew it. I remember Portis going down awkwardly and walking gingerly.
T Bell
Footballguy
Me too, and I hate saying that during Cowboys week.
Bankerguy
Footballguy
I thought the reason why you guys won the last game was some lights out play by your defense. The Horton INT stands out in my mind. Also Springs was able to take TO out of the game. You also DOMINANTED the T.O.P. stat 38 mins to 21 mins. With Portis likely out, I'm not sure you will be able to duplicate that. It certainly doesn't mean doom and gloom for the Skins, however I am liking the Cowboys chances as well at this point.They still have to line up and play-anything can and often happens in this rivarly.Me too, and I hate saying that during Cowboys week.
fatness
Footballguy
It will take a similar defensive effort on Sunday by Washington, which I think they're capable of. But if the running game is crippled, and there is a chance it won't be too good with Cartwright and Alexander as the 2 RB's, then the quick passing game is going to have to really perform to avoid a lot of 3-and-outs.
This could be a 16-13 game.
This could be a 16-13 game.
Bankerguy
Footballguy
SD picked him up today.
Manster
Footballguy
funny, as a Cowboys fan, i have a bad feeling. the Cowboys have not been playing to potential, and getting somewhat healthy may not help. we'll see. this team has no swagger, and many have questioned their heart. can getting Romo back bring them back to life?this game is HUGE for both teams. if the gmen keep it up we'll both be playin for wild cards. both could come from the NFC East. and the Eagles are playing pretty good ball.NFC East grudge match, baby!
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
I find myself nervous about Sunday, but not necessarily with a "bad feeling" nervousness. It's more like the nervousness I felt going in to the Steeler game. It's a big opponent and a big game, yet I know the 'Skins have a better than average chance of winning. Not sure I could have said the same last year in a similar situation.For some reason I think our defense is really going to shine. I think (somewhat obviously) that it's all going to come down to the passing game being in sync. I think an out-of-sync passing game was the biggest culprit in the losses to the Giants and the Steelers, and will be the biggest stumbling block for the team the rest of the season. It's just the way Zorn's O seems to be set up. Granted, a solid running game can go a long way to helping the passing game click, but I really think it's on Campbell, the receivers and the pass-blocking of the O-line this game.Me too, and I hate saying that during Cowboys week.
fatness
Footballguy
What did he say?
T Bell
Footballguy
From PFT:
If Lavar never played smart and took responsibility as a player, why should we expect him to say smart things as a retired player and commentator. The truth is that he's an idiot who unnecessarily rushed himself back into the lineup with an injured knee and ruined his career physically, all while demonstrating an unwillingness and/or incapability to learn the defense, discipline himself and play within the scheme. Is it any wonder why a team-oriented coaching staff would show him the door under such circumstances? He was and is an overrated idiot who peaked in college and got by on flashy physical talent and an oversized personality.
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dgreen
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Sidewinder16
Footballguy
I'm getting the feeling that Washington may not be able to go. Springs has been saying he'll be playing on Sunday. I doubt he's going to do any real practicing this week to give him the maximum amount of physical recovery time they can. If that gets him healthy enough to play, he should do just fine (again) covering TO.
T Bell
Footballguy
I have a lot of confidence in Rogers covering TO too. He's demonstrated that he prepares this year, and press coverage with physical play is his strength, as it is with Springs. Springs' absence may mean more trouble with Roy Williams, however. It's going to be interesting to see how and how much they play Hall in this game . . .
buster c
Footballguy
hate to say, but ol' #53 is more of a liability to the Skins anymore. Addition by subtraction, in my book.
Bankerguy
Footballguy
...Montgomery is hurt too?Holy crap.
T Bell
Footballguy
Monty's just not practicing. I'm not sure if that's just the team resting him (they do that a lot with both him and Kendall) or because he's got an injury that will affect him Sunday, unless I've completely missed something here.If he can't go, that's a bigger problem for the team than Springs, IMHO because Monty keys that entire line.
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
With the return of Jason Taylor (who, by all accounts, is looking great this week) I think Griffin, Golston and Evans can man the tackle rotation well enough. It hurts the inside depth some, but Montgomery's absence shouldn't make or break the defense.
T Bell
Footballguy
Agreed. I don't know if he's just not fully healthy, or if he's washed up, but I haven't seen him play at the peak level we'd grown accustomed to since 2006. He's not the same guy.
buster c
Footballguy
Uncharacteristically, I tuned in this morning to the Junkies on 106.7 and they actually were talking Skins. It sounded like they were at a casino doing a remote (Vegas?) and Cakes was hammered on Irish Car Bombs (Guiness, with a shot glass filled with baileys & kahlua that you press to the bottom of the glass with a straw as you simultaneously lift up the glass and down the stout).
So he starts telling the audience that he's getting reports that a certain Skin is out every night getting plastered. Lurch was getting uncomfortable in revealing who the rumored Skin was, but Cakes was giving hints ("he loves Nick Saban"). I immediately start thinking MI State (?) and LSU (#30?). Not to character assassinate here, just curious whether this is relevant to anything or if it's a well known tid-bit.
So he starts telling the audience that he's getting reports that a certain Skin is out every night getting plastered. Lurch was getting uncomfortable in revealing who the rumored Skin was, but Cakes was giving hints ("he loves Nick Saban"). I immediately start thinking MI State (?) and LSU (#30?). Not to character assassinate here, just curious whether this is relevant to anything or if it's a well known tid-bit.
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
FWIW, here's JLC's guesses at who will play and who won't come Sunday night (from today's on-line chat):
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This lines up with how I've been taking things up until now, too (which is now starting to make me worry
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T Bell
Footballguy
That quote, FWIW, would almost certainly refer to Landry. Frankly, he's the least of our concerns right now, so I'm not going to pay any attention to it.
dgreen
Footballguy
Heard a radio report yesterday that Hall could see up to 30 snaps.
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
That sounds about right. I imagine the 'Skins are expecting a lot of 3 WR sets. Any idea where that number originated (player, coach, journalist guess)?
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dgreen
Footballguy
My concern with Portis is whether he can easily cause further damage by playing. If so, then there's no way he should play and hopefully he could be ready to go for the Giants in two weeks. If it's a pain thing and not an increased damage thing, then it would be nice if he could go this week and maybe rest for Seattle next week. But, will rest do anything?FWIW, here's JLC's guesses at who will play and who won't come Sunday night (from today's on-line chat):
This lines up with how I've been taking things up until now, too (which is now starting to make me worry).
dgreen
Footballguy
Pretty sure it originated from Jerry Gray, who apparently LOVES Hall. I didn't hear the direct quote, though. I heard the 980 beat reporter relaying what he heard.
dgreen
Footballguy
I also heard on the radio (same report as Hall) that Jansen will start again at RT.
fatness
Footballguy
dgreen
Footballguy
There are currently only 439 tickets available on Stub Hub for Sunday's game. Many times you see anywhere from 1000 to 3000 tickets available a few days before a game.
Prices start at $147/ticket for the last row in the endzone of the upper deck. I believe face value for those seats is $49.
Prices start at $147/ticket for the last row in the endzone of the upper deck. I believe face value for those seats is $49.
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
Am I the only that isn't buying in to all the Portis doom and gloom?
I could be way wrong, but nothing that has come from the team or Portis leads me to believe he'll be out an extended amount of time. In fact, I have a strong feeling that the chances of him playing Sunday night are better than "50-50".
It just seems like a lot of overreaction to the "Grade II" line Portis threw out. Again, I could be totally wrong on this, but as of now, I'm expecting to see Portis play this week.
I could be way wrong, but nothing that has come from the team or Portis leads me to believe he'll be out an extended amount of time. In fact, I have a strong feeling that the chances of him playing Sunday night are better than "50-50".
It just seems like a lot of overreaction to the "Grade II" line Portis threw out. Again, I could be totally wrong on this, but as of now, I'm expecting to see Portis play this week.
