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*** Official 2009 New York Giants Offseason Thread *** (1 Viewer)

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Post thoughts and/or news on the NY Giants offseason here. I like the team overall, but there are areas that need improvement. What free agents do you think they should go after? How about the draft? Any other thoughts as well...

Major Free Agent Signings:

- OLB, Michael Boley to a five-year deal worth about $25 million with more than $10 million guaranteed.

 
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Areas of need:

Linebacker

WR

Depending on what happens with the linebacker spot, perhaps another D-end? We might also need to start looking into grooming McKenzie's replacement if that person isn't on the roster right now.

With Toomer's contract coming to and end, and no Plax who do we have? Hixon, Smith, Moss, Manningham, Tyree(?). I'm not sure where the Free Agents are at, but you do have a contract issue with Boldin though I doubt that's anywhere near plausible.

What about RB if Jacobs doesn't resign? Can Ward, Ware, Bradshaw pick up the slack?

The only glaring weakness for the G-Men are their linebackers. We havn't drafted a probowl linebacker since Armstead. We could use an athletic guy back there. Other than that I think we can go into the draft and the offseason with an open mind and pick the best player available and create depth through FA if we take care of our house first.

 
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http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3844322

Giants pick Sheridan to run defense

EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. -- Less than two days after Steve Spagnuolo left to become coach of the St. Louis Rams, Tom Coughlin promoted linebackers coach Bill Sheridan to replace him as the New York Giants' new defensive coordinator.

"Bill is a very good football coach," Coughlin said Monday. "He does an excellent job of teaching, of reinforcing what we aspire to be with our defensive team. He's coached our linebackers, he's given a big assist to Steve in all that he has done."

Coughlin interviewed Sheridan and secondary coach Peter Giunta for the coordinator's job Sunday. Giunta was the Rams' defensive coordinator when they won the 2000 Super Bowl.

"Both were very good," Coughlin said. "Peter has been a coordinator before. I just felt in my gut that Bill would be the right choice."

Bill Sheridan steps in for Steve Spagnuolo, above, who was hired to coach the Rams.

Sheridan has spent four seasons with the Giants, with his biggest challenge coming in 2007 when he helped Mathias Kiwanuka make the move from defensive end to linebacker.

"As a linebackers coach, you're a central figure in the spoke, because you're involved in the coordination of the front and the linebackers and then the back seven," Coughlin said. "He has done a good job of encompassing the entire defense and grasping the aggressive style."

Before coming to the NFL, Sheridan spent two decades as a college assistant, coaching all the positions on defense in that span.

"Obviously, I'm thrilled," said Sheridan, who'll turn 50 next week. "I'm humbled but very, very excited and anxious to get going. I've prepared my entire career for this opportunity."

The Giants played an aggressive blitzing defense in Spagnuolo's two years as defensive coordinator, and Sheridan said that he will keep the system, although he will make some modifications.

"I'm sure, as much as anything, that's Tom's motivation for promoting from within, whether it was me or Peter Giunta, [was] to keep the defense in place," Sheridan said. "It's obviously a proven, excellent system that Steve brought from Philadelphia.

"You're obviously going to have a slightly different tint to it, because you have a different coordinator and will get different input from whoever Tom brings in from outside to complete the staff," added Sheridan, who was traveling Monday to the Senior Bowl in Mobile, Ala. "But the system is in place and there's a tremendous comfort level with the players."

After posting a 26-11 record and winning a Super Bowl in the last two years, Coughlin said he wanted to stay in-house in replacing Spagnuolo.

"Continuity is important to me, but the strength of staff is important, too," Coughlin said. "We've lost Steve, our coordinator, but it takes many, many people to be successful and to function properly. Of course, all the coaches on the defensive side of the ball did an outstanding job in working together. They worked very well together. There was great harmony on that side of the ball. I want to keep that."

The players seem happy with the choice.

"It's good to know that there will not be many changes," said middle linebacker Antonio Pierce, who joined the Giants in 2005, the same year as Sheridan. "Bill is a hard worker and is very familiar with the defense. Obviously, we did great things on defense over the last two seasons, and I am looking forward to what Bill will bring as defensive coordinator."

Defensive tackle Fred Robbins said the adjustment from "Spags" to Sheridan shouldn't be difficult.

"It's good that we will not have to start this whole defense over," Robbins said. "We've been in it for two seasons and we've had success, we all know the system and it will be good to continue to work in it."

All-Pro defensive end Justin Tuck called Sheridan a very knowledgeable football guy.

"It's good that we kept it in-house so we can continue to improve on a successful defense," he said. "I'm very excited to see what Coach Sheridan will do in his new role."

Sheridan said he learned a lot from Spagnuolo.

"Not just the scheme itself, [but] the fundamentals of the scheme itself and the pressure package," Sheridan said. "I think Steve did a great job of looking at our defense as our opponents did, with a self-scout mentality. He was always trying to be one step ahead with regard to how we were being viewed by our opponents."

Coughlin now has two coaching vacancies. He has to find a new linebackers coach and fill the spot that opened on offense when assistant offensive line coach Dave DeGuglielmo left to become the new line coach with the Miami Dolphins.

 
Waive Pierce, he's cooked..

sign Boldin,TJ,or Ocho Cinco.one of these guys..please!!

acquire TE Tony Gonzalez

trade Plax to move up in first round of the draft, and take one of the highly-touted LB's.

:coffee:

 
Unless I'm missing something, the Giants should be getting Osi Umenyura back for next season. Assuming that he is near full strength, that's a nice addition to consider.

Other than that, there is an extra 2 and 5 to play with (Shockey trade). While I do not feel that it's worth a major deal to move up to get Crabtree, those picks can certainly be used to get a WR via draft or trade.

Generally, I would like to see them keep the lines strong as priotity 1. Then look at getting another WR.

 
Waive Pierce, he's cooked..

sign Boldin,TJ,or Ocho Cinco.one of these guys..please!!

acquire TE Tony Gonzalez

trade Plax to move up in first round of the draft, and take one of the highly-touted LB's.

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I don't think Plax can be considered currency at this point. I don't think even the Raiders would be dumb enough to accept the guy in a trade. Simply put, the guy isn't going to generate much value in a deal. Not only that we'd take a pretty good cap hit due to the contract he signed over the summer.
 
The two main areas of concern, to me are big play WR and MLB.

The WR core has some young talent. If you want to add Boss at TE in that mix (he did get 6 TD's) then Reese was right once again and Shockey was expendable. I was wrong there. 6 TD's from the TE in that offense is about perfect. Another year under his belt should help even more. But the WR's were exposed without a big threat for Eli to throw to on a consistent basis. Moss sucks and needs to go, Manningham needs to be given a chance, but at best he is a #2 guy and likely just a #3 guy next year. Smith has worked well with Eli as the slot reciever and he can stay there, if the #1 and #2 holes are resolved. Assuming for the purposes of dreaming they get a big play guy for Eli, I think Hixon & Manningham can handle the #2 spot together, with Smith in the slot. Toomer has to go. Love the guy and hate to see him in any other jersey, but he has to go.

I'm interested in Boldin. Depending on the price. He might be the perfect WR for the Giants offense. Tough as nails, willing to run block ala Hines Ward and actually takes pleasure in hitting other people. Imagine him on the edge with Jacobs running downfield behind him. Scary for the LB core playing the run and the safeties will want no part. I'm guessing, though, that the Cardinals price is steep, so who knows. In the end, I think a WR/TE core of Boldin, Hixon/Manningham, Smith and Boss is solid to upper tier for that offense and running game.

Other then that the offense doesn't need anything accept the order to use Jacobs more and stop falling for the 3 RB hype that they fell for towards the end of this year.

On defense, with Osi back next year the defensive line is fine. Every team can always use extra secondary help, but the Giants need a MLB. Pierce simply can't cover anymore. He's a great field general and gets guys in the right spot on changes, but he couldn't cover a lick down the stretch. They need some speed in the middle there to back up the line for RB's that make the second tier, and to help pass defense for the RB screens and dumps. Pierce can't do that anymore.

So, my top two, in order, would be big play WR - and Boldin fits what I think the offense needs; and second, a MLB with some speed and cover ability.

 
Thanks for starting the thread

I agree with a lot that has already been said

I think they need to improve at all of the LB spots

Add some depth to the offensive line

I would love to have Plax back

I would like to see them add another CB or two to the mix, I am not a fan of Dockery and Madison and McQuarters are a bit long in the tooth.

Speaking of McQuarters, I would love to see the team find a dynamic punt returner

Most importantly (to me anyway) resign Jacobs

 
Agreed that we should have an eye out for Kareem's replacement as Boothe is not the guy.

I also tend to agree that it would be nice to get a good receiver candidate but I question what we'll have to choose from at the end of the first and I don't think we'd give up the farm to move up for Crabtree. I really don't want us to draft Maclin. He'd help the return game but I don't see him as an impact performer on offense. I heard someone compare him to Peter Warrick, which I thought was a pretty good comparison. I have no optimism for Moss's future but I'm still intrigued by Manningham. Rookie seasons typically aren't good barometers of performance for wideouts. Mario has a golden opportunity in front of him. I really hope I read reports of his hard work in the offseason. I think we'll give Toomer another 1 or 2 year deal. I don't think he'll retire just yet and he still has value, especially given his professionalism and the relative youth of our WR corps. He likely won't costs much and I speculate he'd even take less to stay in NY.

I'm really curious to see what we'll do with Kiwi. I've always liked the notion of him playing D-Line better than LB. He still needs to add strength and he may never be an everydown guy, but if we cycle him in there, similar to how the Eagles used Cole a few years ago, he definitely has doubledigit sack potential. He has also shown he can force turnovers when he gets to the QB. However Sheridan seemed to be instrumental in converting him to a LB. I'd be surprised with Osi's return if he didn't get shifted back, although I'm hoping against it.

We'll let Butler walk. I think we look pretty strong moving forward with Phillips and Johnson back there. Dockery is a restricted free agent. I don't think we'll let him leave, which is good. he's a solid reserve and performs well in spot duty.

I think Ward is gone. I'm happy for him as he'll get a good deal somewhere. I think Danny Ware can fill the number three spot well with Bradshaw bumping up to two. I also think a Bradshaw/Jacobs combo gives Gilbride a lot of options to add new wrinkles on O. We better start working in some screens to #44. He's our best pass catching back, he doesn't go down on first contact and he's got speed. He could be a terror in this capacity, yet for some reason, the only guy we throw screens to is the fullback, who drops half of them. Notice I'm not even addressing the notion of Jacobs leaving since we absolutely cannot allow it to happen.

I'm not as concerned as others at LB. I really like Kehl. I'm not sold on Goff although I think he can develop into a solid reserve (think Blackburn). I agree that Pierce has lost a step and if we had the opportunity to draft a guy like Maualuga we shouldn't pass it up. I do think we'll add a LB in the draft but I don't think it will be in the first two rounds.

As for available free agents, forget about Ocho, Housh, and Boldin. I don't see how anyone can crave the circus sideshow act that comes with #85. No thanks. We just got rid of Shockey's antics and Plax's immaturity might've just cost us a Super Bowl. I'm not in favor of rolling out the red carpet for a guy that seems more dysfunctional than our own nut jobs.

I think the Benagls will keep Housh. Even if they don't he worries me as a potential free agent. He's not a deep threat and he too has a mouth. Just doesn't seem like a Coughlin type of player. I'd really be surprised.

Two weeks ago I would've been on board with pursuing a trade for Boldin but not anymore. Arguing with the OC on the sidelines and walking out of the team celebration after winning the conference title because you're not seeing any passes is not the personality type that resembles our savior. I give a lot of credit to Boldin for his hard work this season and ability to overcome adversity but after last weeken'd display I'll pass.

 
I have seen some top 5 WR rankings and Hakeem Nicks(WR, NC) is not on them. He is the same height as Boldin and from what I saw from him in the bowl game has good size and decent speed. He can go down field and get it and is pretty good after the catch.

I would say he wont be there in R2, but I wouldnt be opposed to him late as our #1. I don't like any ideas of trading up for Crabtree but Nicks at the end of the first might not be that bad. A lot obviously depends on the combine but I could see Harvin, Maclin, Crabtree and Britt going before Nicks.

 
Of the WR's I have seen mentioned in this thread (Ocho, TJ, Boldin) Boldin is the guy I would most want on the Giants

Is Boldin going to be a free agent?

Anyone have a list of free agent WR?

 
Hopefully they wil keep Jacobs and use him more effectively. Ward is a decent #2 but I don't see him cutting it as the full time RB. He got his chances in NY although in tough matchups but didn't impress me much this year when he was the starter.

We need a deep threat. Plax opened up the offense. I think we should rid ourselves of him....I miss what he was last year but that guy is gone. I'd love to see Boldin snatched up but I think we need a bigger guy like a Fitz or Plax.

Hopefully that horrid performance by Eli in the last game was an aberration(sp?).

 
Found this on the Free Agents

Free agent WR

T.J. Houshmandzadeh, UFA, Cincinnati Bengals

Bobby Engram, UFA, Seattle Seahawks

Devery Henderson, UFA, New Orleans Saints

Shaun McDonald, UFA, Detroit Lions

Jabar Gaffney, UFA, New England Patriots

Dante' Hall, UFA, St. Louis Rams

Sam Hurd, UFA, Dallas Cowboys

Brandon Jones, UFA, Tennessee Titans

Ashley Lelie, UFA, San Francisco 49ers

Koren Robinson, UFA, Green Bay Packers

Amani Toomer, UFA, New York Giants

Roydell Williams, UFA, Tennessee Titans

Cedrick Wilson, UFA, Pittsburgh Steelers

Free agent LB

Ray Lewis, UFA, Baltimore Ravens

Terrell Suggs, UFA, Baltimore Ravens

Karlos Dansby, UFA, Arizona Cardinals

Eric Barton, UFA, New York Jets

Mike Peterson, UFA, Jacksonville Jaguars

Bart Scott, UFA, Baltimore Ravens

Jonathan Vilma, UFA, New Orleans Saints

Jordan Beck, UFA, Denver Broncos

Monty Beisel, UFA, Arizona Cardinals

Angelo Crowell, UFA, Buffalo Bills

Channing Crowder, UFA, Miami Dolphins

James Farrior, UFA, Pittsburgh Steelers

Tyjuan Hagler, UFA, Indianapolis Colts

Leroy Hill, UFA, Seattle Sehawks

Willie McGinest, UFA, Cleveland Browns

Carlos Polk, UFA, San Diego Chargers

Sam Williams, UFA, Oakland Raiders

 
I have seen some top 5 WR rankings and Hakeem Nicks(WR, NC) is not on them. He is the same height as Boldin and from what I saw from him in the bowl game has good size and decent speed. He can go down field and get it and is pretty good after the catch.I would say he wont be there in R2, but I wouldnt be opposed to him late as our #1. I don't like any ideas of trading up for Crabtree but Nicks at the end of the first might not be that bad. A lot obviously depends on the combine but I could see Harvin, Maclin, Crabtree and Britt going before Nicks.
Nicks was a beast in his bowl game vs. West Virginia but it's also worth noting that was his best game in college. I'm not down on the guy by any means but don't judge him solely off that performance.I'm hoping he runs at the combine as I'd like to see what kind of 40 time he can clock. That's my only concern with Nicks. He's got the hands and the height but I'm not yet conveinced he can beat coverage at the next level. Also, he may not be on the board when we draft at the end of the second but he could be there when we go on the clock with the Saints #2 pick. :mellow: Another WR I like is Massaquoi from Georgia. I tend to think we shouldn't take him until the end of the second at the earliest but the guy was a 4 year player at at UGA.
 
I heard on WFAN that the Giants actually get the FIRST round pick from the Saints? Anyone know if this is remotely true? That changes things big time (i.e. with the #14 or so pick, we can easily trade up for Crabtree if we wish)

 
I heard on WFAN that the Giants actually get the FIRST round pick from the Saints? Anyone know if this is remotely true? That changes things big time (i.e. with the #14 or so pick, we can easily trade up for Crabtree if we wish)
It has to do with the timing of when the Saints re-sign Vilma (can't recall all the details) but I do recall that if it is the 1st round pick rather than the 2nd/5th it would be the Saints 1st rounder in the 2010 draft.
 
If the Saints signed Vilma to an extension prior to him becoming an urestricted free agent the pick would escalate but based on what I've read that's not going to happen. The Saints have indicated they fully intend on bringing Vilma back but they also stated they would wait until free agency begins in order to avoid the escalator. Vilma has indicated he wants to remain in New Orleans so for the time being both sides appear content.

 
I heard on WFAN that the Giants actually get the FIRST round pick from the Saints? Anyone know if this is remotely true? That changes things big time (i.e. with the #14 or so pick, we can easily trade up for Crabtree if we wish)
It has to do with the timing of when the Saints re-sign Vilma (can't recall all the details) but I do recall that if it is the 1st round pick rather than the 2nd/5th it would be the Saints 1st rounder in the 2010 draft.
Here's a link to Adam Schefter's piece describing the Vilma deal. It explains it far better than I. Vilma

 
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Here is a list of key NY Giants Free Agents and my thoughts. I have not listed all Giants free agents.

QB:

David Carr (UFA) - Servicable backup that I would be fine with resigning on the cheap

RB:

Jacobs (UFA) - He must be resigned in my opinion

Ward (UFA) - I think he is expendable with both Bradshaw and Ware as quality replacements

WR:

Toomer (UFA) - While I am huge fan I think he really has seen his last days in NY as he no longer can get open. Clearly both Hixon and Smith are better then him at this point and I would rather let Manningham get a shot. That puts him as a 4th WR even if Burress does not come back or we don't bring in big name WR.

OL:

Grey Ruegamer (UFA) - Decent backup at center for O'hara. Would resign him at the right price as he has played well when given the chance (Playoffs vs Tampa)

DL:

Renaldo Wynn (UFA) - Backup D-lineman who was part of the rotation. As a 12 year veteran clearly his best years are behind him and doubt he is resigned especially with Osi coming back giving more depth at DE.

CB

Kevin Dockery (RFA) - Really want him back as he is valuable backup behind Ross and Webster. He also has the ability to cover the slot making him valuable in Nickel packages.

Safety

James Butler (UFA) - He has been an excellent contributor and improved greatly the last few years but don't think he will be back. Clearly Kenny Phillips is the future at safety for the Giants and I think giants will work on getting both Johnson and Phillips on the field at the same time. I am not sure who will end up at SS and FS but doubt they bring in anyone new to start over those two.

K

Carney (UFA) - I would be fine with him coming back at the right price but would also be ok with Tynes returning as full time place kicker.

 
Agreed that we should have an eye out for Kareem's replacement as Boothe is not the guy.
Don't forget about Guy Whimper. Before his injury he was commonly viewed as Kareem's replacement. I think he will be fully healthy next year so doubt they do anything as he really is a very atheltic OL with little experience as he played both LB and TE college before really moving to tackle full-time as a senior. Boothe is just a long-term backup.
 
Does Vilma fit what the Giants need at LB?
I think he does. While not a playmaker that I think Dansby is he is a tackling machine which is really what we need at LB. I think he would also fit our system well. I would also be interested in Bart Scott. Doubt the Ravens are able to sign all three of their FAs LBs (Suggs, Lewis and Scott) and think he would be a good addition. However, you do have to wonder if he can make the switch to a 4-3 and whether playing next to Lewis made him look better than he was.
 
Does Vilma fit what the Giants need at LB?
I think he does. While not a playmaker that I think Dansby is he is a tackling machine which is really what we need at LB. I think he would also fit our system well. I would also be interested in Bart Scott. Doubt the Ravens are able to sign all three of their FAs LBs (Suggs, Lewis and Scott) and think he would be a good addition. However, you do have to wonder if he can make the switch to a 4-3 and whether playing next to Lewis made him look better than he was.
I think there is a good chance Lewis moves on from baltimore - which is a shame, cause either of those other guys would be great - and could you imagine Suggs and Kiwinuka with their flexibility along with a healthy Osi?But I digress into unreasonable wishing.Back to getting a stud, BIG WR to help bail Eli out. I would prefer an 8/10 type guy who is 6'4" and plays as big as compared to a 9/10 guy who is 6'1 and a better overall receiver. Just think Eli needs a big target as a cornerstone on the outside to get to his potential and make the whole offense utterly explosive.
 
Does Vilma fit what the Giants need at LB?
I think he does. While not a playmaker that I think Dansby is he is a tackling machine which is really what we need at LB. I think he would also fit our system well. I would also be interested in Bart Scott. Doubt the Ravens are able to sign all three of their FAs LBs (Suggs, Lewis and Scott) and think he would be a good addition. However, you do have to wonder if he can make the switch to a 4-3 and whether playing next to Lewis made him look better than he was.
I think there is a good chance Lewis moves on from baltimore - which is a shame, cause either of those other guys would be great - and could you imagine Suggs and Kiwinuka with their flexibility along with a healthy Osi?But I digress into unreasonable wishing.Back to getting a stud, BIG WR to help bail Eli out. I would prefer an 8/10 type guy who is 6'4" and plays as big as compared to a 9/10 guy who is 6'1 and a better overall receiver. Just think Eli needs a big target as a cornerstone on the outside to get to his potential and make the whole offense utterly explosive.
Suggs just doesn't fit anywhere since he really is a 4-3 linebacker/DE. Doubt we spend free agent money on a DE/Blitzing LB since Kiwinuka is in that mold already. Though it is fun to imagine.
 
I don't see the Ravens allowing Suggs or the Stabber out the door so that leaves Scott as the odd man out. Call me crazy, but of the big name free agents out there I could actually see us pursuing him. Don't forget, our new DC is a former linebacker coach!

Don't get your hopes up for Dansby or Vilma. Neither is going to happen. Vilma will stay in New Orleans and we won't pay what Dansby will command.

I've never been high on Whimper on the o-line. For all of his athleticism, it simply hasn't translated. I am looking forward to his return to health as you can't have enough depth at tackle but I don't think Whimper is ever going to be starting grade.

 
I don't see the Ravens allowing Suggs or the Stabber out the door so that leaves Scott as the odd man out. Call me crazy, but of the big name free agents out there I could actually see us pursuing him. Don't forget, our new DC is a former linebacker coach!

Don't get your hopes up for Dansby or Vilma. Neither is going to happen. Vilma will stay in New Orleans and we won't pay what Dansby will command.

I've never been high on Whimper on the o-line. For all of his athleticism, it simply hasn't translated. I am looking forward to his return to health as you can't have enough depth at tackle but I don't think Whimper is ever going to be starting grade.
Don't disagree but we really don't know much at this point about him due to injury/lack of playing time. Either way I doubt the team uses a high pick for an OL but would not be surprised with 3rd or 4th round pick.
 
I heard on WFAN that the Giants actually get the FIRST round pick from the Saints? Anyone know if this is remotely true? That changes things big time (i.e. with the #14 or so pick, we can easily trade up for Crabtree if we wish)
It has to do with the timing of when the Saints re-sign Vilma (can't recall all the details) but I do recall that if it is the 1st round pick rather than the 2nd/5th it would be the Saints 1st rounder in the 2010 draft.
Here's a link to Adam Schefter's piece describing the Vilma deal. It explains it far better than I. Vilma
So if the Giants were to make it known that they are going to offer Vilma a big contract once free agency begins, the Saints might rush to make him an offer before...in which case the Giants get a 1st round pick. Or, they end up with Vilma. Hmm...
 
Gary Myers in yesterday's Daily News wrote about the changes trying to add Tony Gonzalez at the trade deadline and that Tony Gonzalez would like to come to NY. Wasn't aware giants were trying to add him during the season but think he would be kind of the big safety blanket that Manning would like and be a big help in the red zone offseason. I do think he would also benefit Hixon as he could still be a good deep threat. I would be interested in adding him if possible and then the Giants can wait to see how Plax situation plays out and not go after a big name WR. What do you guys think?

Link to part of article about Gonzalez - http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football...tur.html?page=1

 
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I am sure he would be a good addition to the team but how much would it cost to get him?

How soon can they sign Jacobs?

 
I am sure he would be a good addition to the team but how much would it cost to get him?

How soon can they sign Jacobs?
They would obviously need to trade for him but would think that KC is in such a rebuilding mode they could trade him for a similar package for what they got for Shockey. However, probably would have to include at least some picks this year instead of next year picks. They would also probably rework his contract. On Jacobs I don't think there is any limit on the team signing him. This is the most recent info I have seen on Jacobs - http://www.bigblueinteractive.com/2009/01/...d-his-contract/

 
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It would be lovely to have Gonzo(whats the price going to be?) but I am still curious as to how we shape our receiver corps. If plax does not come back this kid from Cal-Poly has the size to replace Plax, and is very intriguing.

6' 6" and his 40 time has been clocked faster than Plaxs' when he came out. I think Eli's best weapon has and always will be the fade.

 
Of the FA WRs, there is only one who is a viable starter capable of really improving the G Men--Housh. And actually, I think Housh would be a very good fit at WR1 and he is a good character and team guy too. But he won't come cheap because he IS the only viable starting WR--so there will be a lot of interest. But I think he might be interested in Giants--chance to be the featured guy (assuming they unload Plax as expected); chance to play with a good Qb; chance to play on a winning team.

At HB, as others have said, the Giants will not let the big man go, but Ward will leave for sure because he wants to be somewhere he can compete to start. Bradshaw actually is a better complement at HB2 and could be a really good player in passing situations and when the team is behind.

 
I would rather trade for Boldin than trade for Gonzalez. Boss is a fine TE, but more importantly I don't like giving up a lot in trade value and salary cap for old players on the downside of their career. Gonzalez seems to have more left in the tank and could be good for the next couple of years, but that wall tends to come quickly and Gonzalez has more downside than upside at this point IMO.

 
I would rather trade for Boldin than trade for Gonzalez. Boss is a fine TE, but more importantly I don't like giving up a lot in trade value and salary cap for old players on the downside of their career. Gonzalez seems to have more left in the tank and could be good for the next couple of years, but that wall tends to come quickly and Gonzalez has more downside than upside at this point IMO.
I agree with you in theory but it all depends on the cost.
 
So the Giants have franchised Jacobs, tendered to Dockery at the second round level and told both Ward and Butler that they can test the free agent market. I doubt we have either Ward or Butler back and think we will miss Butler more with Bradshaw to replace Ward's carries. Of course Bradshaw is in jail right not serving out his sentence but that won't be an issue come the season.

What are your guys thoughts on these developments. My main thought is I am glad we franchised Jacobs as I think he was the one free agent we could not afford to lose.

 
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So the Giants have franchised Jacobs, tendered to Dockery at the second round level and told both Ward and Butler that they can test the free agent market. I doubt we have either Ward or Butler back and think we will miss Butler more with Bradshaw to replace Ward's carries. Of course Bradshaw is in jail right not serving out his sentence but that won't be an issue come the season. What are your guys thoughts on these developments. My main thought is I am glad we franchised Jacobs as I think he was the one free agent we could not afford to lose.
I'm very positive on the moves so far.Jacobs is critical to this offense. Although he is not a multifaceted weapon, his hands are suspect to say the least, his style of punishing running helps make this offense click from opening up the passing lanes for Manning to softening up the defense for the next back be it Ward, Bradshaw or Ware.Ward and Butler are both nice players but the key to the Giants success as of late is not overpaying for mediocre players. They are nice roll players but perhaps not worth starting money. I would like them back at the right price, but it is the right move to let them go if need be.I also like Dockery being tendered at a 2nd round level. A solid buy at about $1.5 million to give the Giants depth at the position and give them a year to find/develop another 3rd/4th CB. If he stays, the Giants have a very solid CB corps with Webster, Ross, Thomas and Dockery. If he goes, they get another 2nd round pick making 3 2nds total and a lot of capital to maneuver around the draft. It's a win-win here.
 
Coughlin confirms what we suspected:

You know what you're going to do with Mathias Kiwanuka?

He'll be down (at DE).
:lmao: Now that he's not getting dicked around by being moved back and forth between LB and DE Kiwi can focus in the off-season getting back to his natural position, putting on a bit of size to help him stand up against the run and give the Giants a strong top 3 rotations for their DEs.

 
Keep your eye on Ware. With Ward most likely gone, Ware is the one who could wind up replacing him instead of Bradshaw.

 
Keep your eye on Ware. With Ward most likely gone, Ware is the one who could wind up replacing him instead of Bradshaw.
:thumbup:I've posted on him before and I like Ware a lot and (much) more importantly. The Giants clearly do to. They protected him on their 53 man roster last year even with Jacobs, Ward, Bradshaw and Droughins all there as well. He looked very good last pre-season and should, assuming the Giants go with their current crop of RBs, carve out a roll for himself in this offense.
 
Bart Scott signed with the Jets and I am sure Dansby will want even more money since his main goal seems to be to break the bank more than to live in a certain place or play for a winner. I would be happy with signing Michael Boley to a reasonable contract and addressing the position in the draft as well.

 
Giants are trying to get Chris Canty in for a visit tomorrow

Rocky Bernard is supposed to be in NY tonight

 
Bart Scott signed with the Jets and I am sure Dansby will want even more money since his main goal seems to be to break the bank more than to live in a certain place or play for a winner. I would be happy with signing Michael Boley to a reasonable contract and addressing the position in the draft as well.
Dansby was franchised so he is gone. I would also be happy with Boley as he would add speed to our very slow LBs. I know he played strong side with Atlanta but would think he would fit better on the weakside since he is a little small. I also think he is best used as a blitzer, in space and with coverage which is what we need to improve in our LBs. With our DEs he should be a really good fit in the blitzing LB role that we clearly missed last year with Mitchell gone. Hopefully, we won't have to really on so many blitzes out of the secondary this year. I have read that he is in town tonight and with a physical tomorrow morning. If we get him we will know by tomorrow.
 

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